DT wants to know how to rule by decree....

[kadee79]

Here we go folks...who is ready to stand up to him?

The Trump administration has been consulting the former government lawyer who wrote the legal justification for waterboarding, on how the president might try to rule by decree.

John Yoo told Axios he has been talking to White House officials about his view that a recent supreme court ruling on immigration would allow Trump to issue executive orders that flout federal law.

In a Fox News Sunday interview, Trump declared he would try to use that interpretation to try to force through decrees on healthcare, immigration and “various other plans” over the coming month.

Constitutional scholars and human rights activists have also pointed to the deployment of paramilitary federal forces against protesters in Portland as a sign that Trump is ready to use this broad interpretation of presidential powers as a means to suppress basic constitutional rights.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-consults-bush-torture-lawyer-in-bid-to-skirt-law-and-rule-by-decree/ar-BB16YoGX?li=BBnb7Kz

[happyhoix]

Pretty clever on his part.

Ram through a bunch of illegal stuff his voters will love, get re-elected and then when the courts come back saying it’s illegal, it won’t matter because he’ll be the emperor for four more years, and he no longer has to care what his voters think.

So dangerous. And I don’t think the senate has the balls to stop him.

[billisonboard]

IM(not so)HO, this is required reading to be part of an informed discussion on this topic: How the Supreme Court’s DACA Decision Harms the Constitution, the Presidency, Congress, and the Country. It is the article from the National Review by John Yoo which got the White House talking to him.

[thyme4change]

The makes me say a lot of bad words

[billisonboard]

Jul 20, 2020 14:07:53 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

The makes me say a lot of bad words

This is something that has been developing for many years. It reached a point in 2016 which allowed for the nomination and elect of a person who is the perfect accelerant. I am actually excited that he is pushing it this way before the 2020 election instead of after. America now has the opportunity to say if they want it to continue.

[kadee79]

Oh yes, we are going to have lots of 'say' as he takes over the major cities in the US...

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-signals-he-will-send-federal-agents-to-major-cities/ar-BB16YpSe?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

[billisonboard]

Jul 20, 2020 14:39:55 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Oh yes, we are going to have lots of 'say' as he takes over the major cities in the US...

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-signals-he-will-send-federal-agents-to-major-cities/ar-BB16YpSe?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

Our say will come at the ballot box in November. Having Federal forces patrolling the streets of US cities will be great visuals for people who need them to understand what fascism will look like during a second Trump term.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jul 20, 2020 15:08:40 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 20, 2020 14:39:55 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Oh yes, we are going to have lots of 'say' as he takes over the major cities in the US...

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-signals-he-will-send-federal-agents-to-major-cities/ar-BB16YpSe?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

Our say will come at the ballot box in November. Having Federal forces patrolling the streets of US cities will be great visuals for people who need them to understand what fascism will look like during a second Trump term.

I am not so sure many people realize what this is creeping towards.

[dondub]

Jul 20, 2020 15:53:59 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Jul 20, 2020 15:08:40 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Our say will come at the ballot box in November. Having Federal forces patrolling the streets of US cities will be great visuals for people who need them to understand what fascism will look like during a second Trump term.

I am not so sure many people realize what this is creeping towards.

Galloping now.

[billisonboard]

Jul 20, 2020 16:03:45 GMT -5 dondub said:

Jul 20, 2020 15:53:59 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

I am not so sure many people realize what this is creeping towards.

Galloping now.

on the accelerating speed of this. It will be one of Joe Biden's most important tasks to help voters see where it is heading and how he will reverse it.

[Tennesseer]

Trump's 'law and order' is starting to look like martial law

(CNN)The strange and frightening images of unidentified military-looking men taking protesters off the streets of Portland, Oregon, and into unmarked vans may be headed to a city near you if that city is, as President Donald Trump declared Monday, run by "liberal Democrats."

This is sketchy stuff. And it's not a good look for a country that's supposed to be an open society. And it's particularly distressing that the President is openly threatening cities based on the political affiliations of their leaders.

The teams of masked authorities seen in Portland dressed up for war like special forces apparently belong to the Department of Homeland Security's Customs and Border Protection Unit.

They're trained for drug missions, but with Trump demanding "law and order" and disagreeing with local authorities, they've been dispatched to American streets.

Speaking Monday at the White House, Trump suggested more federal agents will soon be headed to more American cities.
What sort of federal presence will this be?

Responding to a question about a report that said he will send federal troops to certain cities, Trump said "well it depends on what your definition of troops is. We're sending law enforcement."

"We're not going to let New York and Chicago and Philadelphia, Detroit and Baltimore and all of these, Oakland is a mess. We're not going to let this happen in our country. All run by liberal Democrats," Trump said.

If he follows through with this threat, it's not yet clear what kind of agents would be dispatched.

So let's focus on Portland example from over the weekend.

Complete article here: Trump's 'law and order' is starting to look like martial law

[oped]

Jul 20, 2020 14:19:34 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 20, 2020 14:07:53 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

The makes me say a lot of bad words

This is something that has been developing for many years. It reached a point in 2016 which allowed for the nomination and elect of a person who is the perfect accelerant. I am actually excited that he is pushing it this way before the 2020 election instead of after. America now has the opportunity to say if they want it to continue.

But his horde cannot process anything beyond that idea that those they hate... solidified by daily propaganda... deserve it... and these people aren't smart or educated enough to apparently know that 'they came for... eventually turns to me...

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jul 20, 2020 16:14:22 GMT -5 oped said:

Jul 20, 2020 14:19:34 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

This is something that has been developing for many years. It reached a point in 2016 which allowed for the nomination and elect of a person who is the perfect accelerant. I am actually excited that he is pushing it this way before the 2020 election instead of after. America now has the opportunity to say if they want it to continue.

But his horde cannot process anything beyond that idea that those they hate... solidified by daily propaganda... deserve it... and these people aren't smart or educated enough to apparently know that 'they came for... eventually turns to me...

DD & I are currently discussing just this.

[kadee79]

Jul 20, 2020 15:08:40 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 20, 2020 14:39:55 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Oh yes, we are going to have lots of 'say' as he takes over the major cities in the US...

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-signals-he-will-send-federal-agents-to-major-cities/ar-BB16YpSe?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

Our say will come at the ballot box in November. Having Federal forces patrolling the streets of US cities will be great visuals for people who need them to understand what fascism will look like during a second Trump term.

IF we are lucky enough to have an election in Nov.  If he declares marshal law & suspends the elections...who is going to stop him?

[weltschmerz]

Jul 20, 2020 15:08:40 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 20, 2020 14:39:55 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Oh yes, we are going to have lots of 'say' as he takes over the major cities in the US...

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-signals-he-will-send-federal-agents-to-major-cities/ar-BB16YpSe?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

Our say will come at the ballot box in November. Having Federal forces patrolling the streets of US cities will be great visuals for people who need them to understand what fascism will look like during a second Trump term.

It's not fascism if your dear leader hates the same people you do. It's "cleaning up the vermin who hate our country."
That's all they need to know. Unconstitutional? Who cares?

[kadee79]

And here is more...I'll be surprised if this doesn't end up starting a shooting match....

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security is crafting plans to deploy about 150 federal agents to Chicago this week, the Chicago Tribune has learned, a move that would come amid growing controversy nationally about federal force being used in American cities.

The Homeland Security Investigations, or HSI, agents are set to assist other federal law enforcement and Chicago police in crime-fighting efforts, according to sources familiar with the matter, though a specific plan on what the agents will be doing had not been made public.
One city official said the city was aware of the plan but not any specifics. The Chicago Police Department issued a statement Monday.

“The Chicago Police Department does not maintain any authority over the federal government’s deployment of federal law enforcement agents to the City of Chicago. We regularly work alongside our local and federal law enforcement agency partners toward the common goal of keeping Chicago residents safe,” the statement read. “If federal agents are deployed, it is critical that they coordinate with the Chicago Police Department and work alongside us to fight violent crime in Chicago.”

www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-chicago-police-dhs-deployment-20200720-dftu5ychwbcxtg4ltarh5qnwma-story.html

[billisonboard]

(Note: I was a Poli Sci major and just love this shit)

In response to numerous posts: "So be it". If enough Americans are fascists, we become a fascist state. If he declares martial law and there is inadequate reaction to stop it from becoming operational, we live under martial law. 

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 20, 2020 17:05:06 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

(Note: I was a Poli Sci major and just love this shit)

In response to numerous posts: "So be it". If enough Americans are fascists, we become a fascist state. If he declares martial law and there is inadequate reaction to stop it from becoming operational, we live under martial law. 

Which is the end of our country as we know it, and the end of American Exceptionalism. It was a good run, guess our time is over if it comes to pass. We will see how many republicans are the patriots they claim to be, and actually revere the Constitution that they also claim to.

[dondub]

Jul 20, 2020 17:05:06 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

(Note: I was a Poli Sci major and just love this shit)

In response to numerous posts: "So be it". If enough Americans are fascists, we become a fascist state. If he declares martial law and there is inadequate reaction to stop it from becoming operational, we live under martial law. 

Then I’m ready for secession of the west coast, west of the Cascade mountain range, to become a real democratic nation state. Maybe modeled on Switzerland or New Zealand or one of the Nordic countries. Renewable resource industries, ports, airplane mfg, hi tech businesses, tourism. A constitutionally mandated living wage, a balanced budget which will require progressive taxation, a healthcare system that covers everyone, a make sense military deterrence that possibly partners with BC and the now non United States.

[Tennesseer]

'DT wants to know how to rule by decree....'

...Channel Hitler and Mussolini.

[kadee79]

DD, I agree with you only I live in the south east....it's soooo much cheaper to live here.


Sorry, I do NOT see this country going quietly either way.  

[billisonboard]

What country before ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion?... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
Thomas Jefferson

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Jul 20, 2020 16:14:22 GMT -5 oped said:

Jul 20, 2020 14:19:34 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

This is something that has been developing for many years. It reached a point in 2016 which allowed for the nomination and elect of a person who is the perfect accelerant. I am actually excited that he is pushing it this way before the 2020 election instead of after. America now has the opportunity to say if they want it to continue.

But his horde cannot process anything beyond that idea that those they hate... solidified by daily propaganda... deserve it... and these people aren't smart or educated enough to apparently know that 'they came for... eventually turns to me...

That sentiment is exactly what I told my own kids in regards to Trump’s seeming hatred for Mexicans. I told my kids that Mexicans were easy to target, and if he had his way with Mexican immigrants, once he was done with them, he’d set his sights on us. It’s not as easy with us, to demand we go or send us back “home” because so many of us don’t even know where exactly “home” is, and Africa is a pretty big continent. But that doesn’t mean he won’t come for us in one way or another. Many of us felt it was important to stand up against the hatred and terrible acts directed at Mexican immigrants because we understood that if we turned a blind eye to it because it didn’t directly us, they would eventually come for us too.

When the protests started after Mr. Flynn’s death, young Black people were telling their Mexican friends and associates that they should stand with us like “we” have stood with them in regards to being mistreated.

And in my mind, he doesn’t care about the average white person either, let alone poor or working class white people. I don’t understand why they can’t see that. If he had his way, they could get it too.

[dondub]

Jul 20, 2020 17:41:19 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

DD, I agree with you only I live in the south east....it's soooo much cheaper to live here.


Sorry, I do NOT see this country going quietly either way.  

What’s cheaper all things considered. Check the spiking C-19 numbers south of the Mason~Dixon line and RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!🏃🏼‍♀️

[kadee79]

Jul 20, 2020 18:04:52 GMT -5 dondub said:

Jul 20, 2020 17:41:19 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

DD, I agree with you only I live in the south east....it's soooo much cheaper to live here.


Sorry, I do NOT see this country going quietly either way.  

What’s cheaper all things considered. Check the spiking C-19 numbers south of the Mason~Dixon line and RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!🏃🏼‍♀️

We are staying home way more than normal...and double masking where there are folks with no masks...but only going to Dr. appts. & groceries so far.  We are in an area that doesn't have a lot of cases...even with 90% of the folks here running around with no masks.  But some of that should have changed today with Lowes, HD, Walmart, Publix and a few other places requiring masks to enter.

[happyhoix]

Jul 20, 2020 17:37:30 GMT -5 dondub said:

Jul 20, 2020 17:05:06 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

(Note: I was a Poli Sci major and just love this shit)

In response to numerous posts: "So be it". If enough Americans are fascists, we become a fascist state. If he declares martial law and there is inadequate reaction to stop it from becoming operational, we live under martial law. 

Then I’m ready for secession of the west coast, west of the Cascade mountain range, to become a real democratic nation state. Maybe modeled on Switzerland or New Zealand or one of the Nordic countries. Renewable resource industries, ports, airplane mfg, hi tech businesses, tourism. A constitutionally mandated living wage, a balanced budget which will require progressive taxation, a healthcare system that covers everyone, a make sense military deterrence that possibly partners with BC and the now non United States.

Oh shit, I need to move from the SE so I don’t get stuck in the theocracy of Jesusland. (Anyone seen Handmaids Tale?)

[happyhoix]

There is a video out there ( sorry I can’t link) that shows several of these DHS special troops in Portland beating and macing a Navy vet (50 ish white guy) who went up to them and told them what they were doing was unconstitutional.

The navy vet was just standing there, had no weapons, didn’t raise his hand.

Maybe that clip will shame some of the military higher ups into putting a stop to this. This is crazy and unAmerican.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I saw that video.  I was impressed by the Navy vet.  That is a real solider.  Not the tiny dick waving guy in camo beating him with a night stick.

[kadee79]

Problem is...these aren't military, they are US Marshals, Border patrol & prison guards from what has been reported in various places.  

[billisonboard]

Jul 21, 2020 9:37:20 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Problem is...these aren't military, they are US Marshals, Border patrol & prison guards from what has been reported in various places.  

Theoretically it is better that it isn't US DOD personnel. Our soldiers are not trained for and have no business being involved with local law enforcement actions.