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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 16, 2020 9:38:38 GMT -5
(HIPAA) I'm aware of that too. Just noting that I have never seen HIPAA "spelled" correctly in one of these rants. I don't rant but I am so guilty of this. My brain wants to spell it like it sounds and it sounds like HIPPA. I'm always having to check despite having spent 13 years having to train on the subject.
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Spellbound454
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 16, 2020 9:50:29 GMT -5
Its fine............ Its private property. If you want to shop there get a mask on. If you want to go to a supermarket where there is less risk of getting the virus...... Go there
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Post by Opti on Jul 16, 2020 10:15:49 GMT -5
It may surprise some to know that in the middle of my dislike of government-mandated mask procedures, I actually do agree with the right of a business to require a mask as a condition to entry. As a private entity they are fully entitled to set the rules as they choose, and if they apply it equally to all persons it is not discriminatory. I do not have an absolute right to patronize any business I wish in any manner I wish. I do have an issue with government preemptively treating me as a threat when I am not one, and coercing me in some manner on the basis of that nonexistent threat. One can argue that government does in fact have that right in the name of public safety, but they cannot argue that it is not in fact a limitation of individual rights. If that is someone's position, fine, but at least own it. All government mandates generally are limitations. I'm not sure why you or anyone needs that stated. Its a given, whether its being required to wear clothing in public or not being able to buy alcohol on Sundays. What I have a problem with, is you choosing to see this as a personal affront to you by government instead of a public health tool that's been known to work. Mask wearing is not being mandated because it is assumed everyone is Covid positive or an asymptomatic carrier. Its being mandated because it works. And because testing everyone is too impractical and expensive, plus the simple fact you generally test negative until you don't.
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Post by sesfw on Jul 16, 2020 11:01:02 GMT -5
People are fundamentally stupid. Not all, of course, but many. We may have to limit everybody because of those individuals, but I don't have to like it or be silent about it.
Just wear the dam* mask and keep your germs to yourself.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 16, 2020 11:41:32 GMT -5
Yep.........and your virus laden, snot globules............. off the merchandise that people are taking in to their homes.
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Post by kadee79 on Jul 16, 2020 12:00:52 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 16, 2020 12:07:40 GMT -5
I don't want to be near anyone who isn't in full professionally fitted PPE. But I still prefer something/anything over nothing.
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Post by haapai on Jul 16, 2020 13:18:54 GMT -5
You can add CVS, Kohl's and Target to the list of retailers demanding that customers wear masks.
Interestingly, some of these retailers will provide masks to customers that lack them. Methinks this says more about the profits of impulse purchases and the general lousiness of curbside pickup and delivery options than it says about retailers' commitment to keeping customers and employees safe. Disposable masks aren't particularly cheap to provide.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 16, 2020 14:08:14 GMT -5
You can add CVS, Kohl's and Target to the list of retailers demanding that customers wear masks.
Interestingly, some of these retailers will provide masks to customers that lack them. Methinks this says more about the profits of impulse purchases and the general lousiness of curbside pickup and delivery options than it says about retailers' commitment to keeping customers and employees safe. Disposable masks aren't particularly cheap to provide.
I was near the door of our local hardware store when someone attempted to walk in without a mask. A young gal nearby told him they were under mandate to require masks be worn and, in a very upbeat voice, told him they would be happy to provide him with one. He grumbled out a "I will go get my own out of the truck" and did. I think part of the offer of the mask is to help defuse potential conflict.
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Post by haapai on Jul 16, 2020 14:55:10 GMT -5
I've definitely noticed that the persons that we are assigning the (terrifying) job of enforcing mask-wearing are overwhelmingly female. Sometimes they are backed up by much more senior XY types, but the initial contact seems to be a woman's job.
From what I've glimpsed so far, putting petite blondes or grandmotherly types at the front door completely dissolves mask-wearing-resistance among the white males that attempt to walk in nekkid-face but is oddly ineffective when the nekkid-faced person is female.
Maybe, in a few more weeks, or possibly days, this will change. It's rapidly becoming really gauche to be the person who refuses to wear a mask.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 16, 2020 15:35:41 GMT -5
People are fundamentally stupid. Not all, of course, but many. We may have to limit everybody because of those individuals, but I don't have to like it or be silent about it.Just wear the dam* mask and keep your germs to yourself. Not sure where your anger here comes from. You would likely be at greater risk from the average person wearing a mask than from me unmasked. At any rate, there may come a time as this continues where a mask may be required for an activity sufficiently beneficial to me. At that time I will consider it. Until then, you may be assured that my decision-making is seldom governed even by my own fears. There is zero chance it will ever be governed by yours.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 16, 2020 16:48:33 GMT -5
Thats just not true. Lot of people 1:3 infections, carry the virus without symptoms. They can spread the virus around ..........and they don't even know they have it.
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Post by kadee79 on Jul 16, 2020 20:24:25 GMT -5
Walgreens, Starbucks & Costco all require masks too.
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Post by kadee79 on Jul 16, 2020 21:35:47 GMT -5
And I found a few more....Best Buy, Dollar Tree, H.E.B., Verizon, Menards & American Eagle Outfitters.
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Post by tbop77 on Jul 17, 2020 7:18:11 GMT -5
If these companies are going to mandate mask, they need to hire security personnel to guard the doors to enforce it. I think these essential workers have been put through enough during the pandemic without having to confront these right wing lunatics.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 17, 2020 9:00:56 GMT -5
I wonder
a) What percentage of people are really not wearing masks
b) of those, who just forgot to grab a mask when leaving (or don't own one) and figured they are running in quickly, and would gladly wear one, but just have no access
c) how many people honestly didn't know. It is foreign to me, but there are honestly people out there that don't watch TV and aren't on the internet 12 hours per day (apparently, oxygen doesn't come from screen time - but I am not going to take my chances)
d) how many people will wear one when peer pressure gets bad enough. They won't fight it, they just won't lead it and will only comply when non-compliance is harder than compliance
and finally (e) how many are really violently opposed. Are we giving too much attention to a small number of overdramatic assholes and that attention is spurring other thirsty bitches?
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 17, 2020 9:47:29 GMT -5
I wonder a) What percentage of people are really not wearing masks b) of those, who just forgot to grab a mask when leaving (or don't own one) and figured they are running in quickly, and would gladly wear one, but just have no access c) how many people honestly didn't know. It is foreign to me, but there are honestly people out there that don't watch TV and aren't on the internet 12 hours per day (apparently, oxygen doesn't come from screen time - but I am not going to take my chances) d) how many people will wear one when peer pressure gets bad enough. They won't fight it, they just won't lead it and will only comply when non-compliance is harder than compliance and finally (e) how many are really violently opposed. Are we giving too much attention to a small number of overdramatic assholes and that attention is spurring other thirsty bitches? Good post Need to include a category for those with a (non-mask specific) oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) who won't wear one because they are told they must wear one. Small group but they are out there. I think also laziness is a factor coupled with the peer pressure. It needs to become more of a hassle to not wear one than to just wear "the God damned thing".
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 17, 2020 10:03:34 GMT -5
I wonder a) What percentage of people are really not wearing masks b) of those, who just forgot to grab a mask when leaving (or don't own one) and figured they are running in quickly, and would gladly wear one, but just have no access c) how many people honestly didn't know. It is foreign to me, but there are honestly people out there that don't watch TV and aren't on the internet 12 hours per day (apparently, oxygen doesn't come from screen time - but I am not going to take my chances) d) how many people will wear one when peer pressure gets bad enough. They won't fight it, they just won't lead it and will only comply when non-compliance is harder than compliance and finally (e) how many are really violently opposed. Are we giving too much attention to a small number of overdramatic assholes and that attention is spurring other thirsty bitches? Good post Need to include a category for those with a (non-mask specific) oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) who won't wear one because they are told they must wear one. Small group but they are out there. I think also laziness is a factor coupled with the peer pressure. It needs to become more of a hassle to not wear one than to just wear "the God damned thing". I think I had ODD. Even today, I try and try to resist, but I find myself not doing the stupidest things, just because someone told me to. It wasn't a recognized thing when I was a teen, but I fit the bill.
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Post by lynnerself on Jul 17, 2020 11:08:40 GMT -5
I wonder a) What percentage of people are really not wearing masks and finally (e) how many are really violently opposed. Are we giving too much attention to a small number of overdramatic assholes and that attention is spurring other thirsty bitches? Most people are wearing masks according to the most recent polls I could find. And I do believe it is a very vocal minority that makes the news "Almost 90 percent of Americans say they are wearing face masks in public settings as coronavirus cases surge in some states, according to a new ABC News-Ipsos poll"
"Overall, 65% of U.S. adults say that they have personally worn a mask in stores or other businesses all or most of the time in the past month"
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Jul 17, 2020 11:17:27 GMT -5
Good post Need to include a category for those with a (non-mask specific) oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) who won't wear one because they are told they must wear one. Small group but they are out there. I think also laziness is a factor coupled with the peer pressure. It needs to become more of a hassle to not wear one than to just wear "the God damned thing". I think I had ODD. Even today, I try and try to resist, but I find myself not doing the stupidest things, just because someone told me to. It wasn't a recognized thing when I was a teen, but I fit the bill. This. I still have it. I don't wear a seatbelt either.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 18, 2020 1:54:36 GMT -5
I think I had ODD. Even today, I try and try to resist, but I find myself not doing the stupidest things, just because someone told me to. It wasn't a recognized thing when I was a teen, but I fit the bill. This. I still have it. I don't wear a seatbelt either. Okay. I'm not that stupid.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 18, 2020 3:56:01 GMT -5
I wonder a) What percentage of people are really not wearing masks b) of those, who just forgot to grab a mask when leaving (or don't own one) and figured they are running in quickly, and would gladly wear one, but just have no access c) how many people honestly didn't know. It is foreign to me, but there are honestly people out there that don't watch TV and aren't on the internet 12 hours per day (apparently, oxygen doesn't come from screen time - but I am not going to take my chances) d) how many people will wear one when peer pressure gets bad enough. They won't fight it, they just won't lead it and will only comply when non-compliance is harder than compliance and finally (e) how many are really violently opposed. Are we giving too much attention to a small number of overdramatic assholes and that attention is spurring other thirsty bitches? You would just have someone at the supermarket door with a box of masks saying............ "excuse me, can you put a mask on" (and donate to pay for it)
Most people will comply and get themselves sorted so they can carry on as normal. Any histrionics... they can find somewhere else to shop.
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Post by Opti on Jul 18, 2020 10:04:02 GMT -5
I wonder a) What percentage of people are really not wearing masks b) of those, who just forgot to grab a mask when leaving (or don't own one) and figured they are running in quickly, and would gladly wear one, but just have no access c) how many people honestly didn't know. It is foreign to me, but there are honestly people out there that don't watch TV and aren't on the internet 12 hours per day (apparently, oxygen doesn't come from screen time - but I am not going to take my chances) d) how many people will wear one when peer pressure gets bad enough. They won't fight it, they just won't lead it and will only comply when non-compliance is harder than compliance and finally (e) how many are really violently opposed. Are we giving too much attention to a small number of overdramatic assholes and that attention is spurring other thirsty bitches? For e) it is news worthy all the cases where people are killed or beaten over just masks. The woman who got her husband and son to come to the dollar store with guns was the first butthurt disrespect. A security guard is dead because of it. Bills posted somewhere about a french bus driver who was beaten to death by four men that refused to wear masks. I think having them available free is a good idea but I don't know if it will stop the senseless violence.
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Post by sesfw on Jul 18, 2020 11:07:19 GMT -5
I still have it. I don't wear a seat belt either.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 18, 2020 11:57:37 GMT -5
One day I was unfortunately in the time and place to be the only person to see a larger SUV leave the road at a significant speed and roll a few times. As i approached the vehicle, calling out, i felt a great relief when i heard a voice call back that she was okay. To this day, I am thankful that I do not have to live with the image of a bloody pounded corpse in my memory.
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Post by dondub on Jul 18, 2020 12:04:23 GMT -5
One day I was unfortunately in the time and place to be the only person to see a larger SUV leave the road at a significant speed and roll a few times. As i approached the vehicle, calling out, i felt a great relief when i heard a voice call back that she was okay. To this day, I am thankful that I do not have to live with the image of a bloody pounded corpse in my memory. A seatbelt saved that life. No doubt. Yet some idiots still won’t wear them.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 18, 2020 12:09:12 GMT -5
One day I was unfortunately in the time and place to be the only person to see a larger SUV leave the road at a significant speed and roll a few times. As i approached the vehicle, calling out, i felt a great relief when i heard a voice call back that she was okay. To this day, I am thankful that I do not have to live with the image of a bloody pounded corpse in my memory. A seatbelt saved that life. No doubt. Yet some idiots still won’t wear them. and are so self centered to not understand how their decision could impact others.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 18, 2020 12:38:28 GMT -5
I predict a shooting or fist fight in the parking lot in about 24-48 hours after implimentation at our trashy Wal-mart location in town. It has already happened locally. Man in FM was asked to wear a mask. As a response, he pulled a gun. 911 called, man was arrested. www.theolympian.com/news/local/crime/article244297457.html
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 18, 2020 12:43:44 GMT -5
More than once I have left the car without a mask and had to double back to get it. Earlier this week, I stopped at a food truck to pick up lunch and had to double back to get my mask. As I was walking away with my food, a woman drove up, got out of her car and then she had to double back to get her mask. I laughingly told her I did the exact same thing.
Even though we have been dealing with these mandates longer than most, it still isn’t habit.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 18, 2020 15:22:17 GMT -5
I've got a pack in the car ......for if I've forgotten to bring one from the kitchen. Which happens, quite a lot.
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