I’m guessing that Trump wants to cook the books

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Local hospitals have been ordered to report their coronaviruses cases to a WA HHS database, not the CDC.

The hits keep coming....

[Opti]

Does he have the authority to demand this? What is he going to do if they send it both places? 

[pulmonarymd]

Can’t hide the hospitals being full. Never knew how far they would go with “alternate facts”. I do think that many states will publicize the numbers anyway, and the numbers should be available through the freedom of information act. Never a good look when you try to hide data though

[happyhoix]

The Florida governor was trying to get hospitals to cook their hospital cases of Covid - trying to separate ‘really sick’ from ‘sick’ cases to reduce the number reported.

Of course trump wants a chance to massage the numbers. He’s great at that.

[thyme4change]

Jul 14, 2020 17:18:04 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Local hospitals have been ordered to report their coronaviruses cases to a WA HHS database, not the CDC.

The hits keep coming....

Jesus F*cking Christ.

[chiver78]

Jul 14, 2020 17:18:04 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Local hospitals have been ordered to report their coronaviruses cases to a WA HHS database, not the CDC.

The hits keep coming....

what, about any part of his business practices over the years, makes this anything but a given? 🤷‍♀️

[Tiny]

This is disturbing...

Looks like Trump's Administration will control more info about what's happening in each state...

I'm guessing Covid19 will magically disappear by the end of August! Just in time for School to start....

www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/coronavirus-data-trump-cdc.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

some quotes from the article:  

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all Covid-19 patient information to a central database in Washington beginning on Wednesday. The move has alarmed health experts who fear the data will be politicized or withheld from the public.

The new instructions were posted recently in a little-noticed document on the Department of Health and Human Services website. From now on, the department — not the C.D.C. — will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, the number of available beds and ventilators, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.

“Historically, C.D.C. has been the place where public health data has been sent, and this raises questions about not just access for researchers but access for reporters, access for the public to try to better understand what is happening with the outbreak," said Jen Kates, the director of global health and H.I.V. policy with the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.

But the instructions to hospitals in the department guidance is explicit and underscored: “As of July 15, 2020, hospitals should no longer report the Covid-19 information in this document to the National Healthcare Safety Network site,” the C.D.C.’s system for gathering data from more than 25,000 medical centers around the country.

 

[Gardening Grandma]

Of course he wants to cook the books - how else is he going to deal with a virus?  Listen to the experts?


I think this is a move to control and manipulate the data. We won't be able to trust the numbers and won't have any idea of what is actually going on.


Trump administration orders hospitals to bypass CDC and send all COVID-19 patient information to central database in Washington

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all coronavirus patient information to a central database in Washington beginning on Wednesday. The move has alarmed health experts who fear the data will be politicized or withheld from the public.

The new instructions were posted in a little-noticed document on the Department of Health and Human Services website. From now on, the department — not the CDC — will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, the number of available beds and ventilators, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.


From CNN
The Times said hospitals are to begin reporting the data to HHS on Wednesday, noting also that the "database that will receive new information is not open to the public, which could affect the work of scores of researchers, modelers and health officials who rely on C.D.C. data to make projections and crucial decisions."

www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/politics/trump-administration-coronavirus-hospital-data-cdc/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2QJJgcgDBnS8d0sVsCTHmdEhodeMnCvUvIWjGaiqQCxNR2TAJA1For3i0


The NYT also has the story but the link below is free
www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-nyt-covid-cdc-data-trump-20200715-aizxwwrqlbaufjsjig3rlvx7qy-story.html?fbclid=IwAR2KuQy1r-oBo_VQOZNJiynDcVu1vYRZAGGfmVVo9Qw7dGv-nNd_fHB0HAQ
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[Tennesseer]

Satire from The Borowitz Report

Trump Claims Biden Could Never Have a Pandemic As Big As His
By Andy Borowitz

WASHINGTON, D.C.(The Borowitz Report)—Trying out a new line of attack against the former Vice-President, Donald Trump said on Wednesday that Joe Biden could never have a pandemic as big as his.

“Biden was Vice-President for eight years and had all the time in the world to have a pandemic,” Trump said. “Where was his pandemic?”

By contrast, Trump asserted, “In just a few months, I’ve built the biggest pandemic this country has seen in a hundred years.”

“People are going to be talking about my pandemic for generations to come,” Trump said. “What did Biden ever have? Swine flu? What a joke.”

Trump said that Biden’s failure to have “any pandemic worth writing home about” makes him a “terrible choice” to be President.

Complete article here: Trump Claims Biden Could Never Have a Pandemic As Big As His

[Tiny]

Did the pinned thread with the worldometer link go away?? j

***** Never mind - I found it  ****************

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

And while he was being thrown this  bone by Congress they got an override at 2 am by the Supreme Court on federal executions and the first one has already been carried out.

Assholes the lot of them.  If I ever believed in God and the Bible to begin with I would have stopped by now because if there was a God every single one of these dick bags would be pillars of salt or a pile of ashes by now.

[djAdvocate]

I doubt this will work. people in the medical profession want accurate and visible public reporting. they will figure out a work around.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 15, 2020 16:38:25 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I doubt this will work. people in the medical profession want accurate and visible public reporting. they will figure out a work around.

True, but he has just thrown the governors under the bus. If trump has his people undercount the cases, the governors have a problem, because they will be hearing what is happening on the ground in their state. So, listen to trump, people get killed. Do the right thing, feel trumps wrath. Wouldn’t want to be a Republican governor now

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jul 15, 2020 17:30:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 15, 2020 16:38:25 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I doubt this will work. people in the medical profession want accurate and visible public reporting. they will figure out a work around.

True, but he has just thrown the governors under the bus. If trump has his people undercount the cases, the governors have a problem, because they will be hearing what is happening on the ground in their state. So, listen to trump, people get killed. Do the right thing, feel trumps wrath. Wouldn’t want to be a Republican governor now

At least if you are a Democratic governor, trump doesn't care about you anyway.  The only problem is we need everyone to work together.

I have to wonder how much the governors of FL, TX and AZ regret following trump’s edicts on opening.  They didn’t have to have the mess they are dealing with now.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 15, 2020 18:28:28 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Jul 15, 2020 17:30:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

True, but he has just thrown the governors under the bus. If trump has his people undercount the cases, the governors have a problem, because they will be hearing what is happening on the ground in their state. So, listen to trump, people get killed. Do the right thing, feel trumps wrath. Wouldn’t want to be a Republican governor now

At least if you are a Democratic governor, trump doesn't care about you anyway.  The only problem is we need everyone to work together.

I have to wonder how much the governors of FL, TX and AZ regret following trump’s edicts on opening.  They didn’t have to have the mess they are dealing with now.

Disantis, not at all, he is all in. Ducey not sure. Abbott, I think so

[thyme4change]

Jul 15, 2020 18:31:52 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 15, 2020 18:28:28 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

At least if you are a Democratic governor, trump doesn't care about you anyway.  The only problem is we need everyone to work together.

I have to wonder how much the governors of FL, TX and AZ regret following trump’s edicts on opening.  They didn’t have to have the mess they are dealing with now.

Disantis, not at all, he is all in. Ducey not sure. Abbott, I think so

Ducey is showing signs that he might do the right thing for his people vs the right thing for Trump. I believe he is weighing the possibility that Trump is screwing this up so bad, that agreeing with him will not get him re-elected, so he might as well take his chances on getting re-elected with Trump mouthing off about him. AND he isn't up this year. So, Trump may or may not have a good platform to sink him in 2022. But his opposition will always highlight the mistakes Ducey made during the pandemic.

[justme]

Desantis is betting on people forgetting about this clusterfuck by the time he's up for reelection. I'm not sure whether the hardest hit areas not having been overwhelmingly for him last time is a good or bad thing. Though killing off those voted for him isn't a good thing. 

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 15, 2020 19:30:51 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 15, 2020 18:31:52 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Disantis, not at all, he is all in. Ducey not sure. Abbott, I think so

Ducey is showing signs that he might do the right thing for his people vs the right thing for Trump. I believe he is weighing the possibility that Trump is screwing this up so bad, that agreeing with him will not get him re-elected, so he might as well take his chances on getting re-elected with Trump mouthing off about him. AND he isn't up this year. So, Trump may or may not have a good platform to sink him in 2022. But his opposition will always highlight the mistakes Ducey made during the pandemic.

I thought they were elected to do the right thing for their constituents. Guess I was wrong

[thyme4change]

Jul 15, 2020 19:42:20 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 15, 2020 19:30:51 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Ducey is showing signs that he might do the right thing for his people vs the right thing for Trump. I believe he is weighing the possibility that Trump is screwing this up so bad, that agreeing with him will not get him re-elected, so he might as well take his chances on getting re-elected with Trump mouthing off about him. AND he isn't up this year. So, Trump may or may not have a good platform to sink him in 2022. But his opposition will always highlight the mistakes Ducey made during the pandemic.

I thought they were elected to do the right thing for their constituents. Guess I was wrong

You are so cute....


But, yes, Ducey isn't changing his tune because his grinch heart grew three sizes in one day. He is doing it because he realized his constituents wanted something other than stupid Trump lies and conspiracy theories. They want protection. So, he gave them just enough to make us think he is doing something, but not so much (yet) that Trump will blast him down.

Seems as if our cases are leveling off.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 15, 2020 19:46:28 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 15, 2020 19:42:20 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I thought they were elected to do the right thing for their constituents. Guess I was wrong

You are so cute....


But, yes, Ducey isn't changing his tune because his grinch heart grew three sizes in one day. He is doing it because he realized his constituents wanted something other than stupid Trump lies and conspiracy theories. They want protection. So, he gave them just enough to make us think he is doing something, but not so much (yet) that Trump will blast him down.

Seems as if our cases are leveling off.

I hope for your medical professionals sake you are right. Now, can he leave what he has done in place long enough to drive your cases down. You are still at 3-4K a day. It can take a ling time for them to really come down

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 15, 2020 19:46:28 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 15, 2020 19:42:20 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I thought they were elected to do the right thing for their constituents. Guess I was wrong

You are so cute....


But, yes, Ducey isn't changing his tune because his grinch heart grew three sizes in one day. He is doing it because he realized his constituents wanted something other than stupid Trump lies and conspiracy theories. They want protection. So, he gave them just enough to make us think he is doing something, but not so much (yet) that Trump will blast him down.

Seems as if our cases are leveling off.

And thanks, I haven’t been cute for a long time, but am happy to accept the compliment

[emma1420]

Did you see that the CDC has now scrubbed all the COVID-19 data that they had on their website?  So it goes beyond just new data.

I'm so glad that we live in the internet era.   Because the numbers will be far more difficult to hide or alter when it's also being collected by other third parties as well.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jul 16, 2020 10:53:07 GMT -5 emma1420 said:

Did you see that the CDC has now scrubbed all the COVID-19 data that they had on their website?  So it goes beyond just new data.

I'm so glad that we live in the internet era.   Because the numbers will be far more difficult to hide or alter when it's also being collected by other third parties as well.

Do you know where Johns Hopkins gets their data?  I was assuming from the CDC.

[emma1420]

Jul 16, 2020 11:02:58 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Jul 16, 2020 10:53:07 GMT -5 emma1420 said:

Did you see that the CDC has now scrubbed all the COVID-19 data that they had on their website?  So it goes beyond just new data.

I'm so glad that we live in the internet era.   Because the numbers will be far more difficult to hide or alter when it's also being collected by other third parties as well.

Do you know where Johns Hopkins gets their data?  I was assuming from the CDC.

I'm not sure.  I believe that the Covidtracking project gets their data directly from the states. So it's possible that Hopkins does as well.   If removing the data from the CDC is some attempt to cover up reality, I don't think it will work.   There are too many other ways that information can and will be tracked.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jul 16, 2020 11:08:49 GMT -5 emma1420 said:

Jul 16, 2020 11:02:58 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Do you know where Johns Hopkins gets their data?  I was assuming from the CDC.

I'm not sure.  I believe that the Covidtracking project gets their data directly from the states. So it's possible that Hopkins does as well.   If removing the data from the CDC is some attempt to cover up reality, I don't think it will work.   There are too many other ways that information can and will be tracked.

It just dawned on me that I have a friend who is the PH director in one of the states.  I probably could give her a call to find out exactly how the flow of information is going to go.

[pulmonarymd]

And since we have been seeing the data regularly, not seeing it is immediately suspect. If hospitals are canceling surgeries and talking about being full, scrubbed data will look suspicious. They waited too long to try this

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jul 16, 2020 11:13:55 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

And since we have been seeing the data regularly, not seeing it is immediately suspect. If hospitals are canceling surgeries and talking about being full, scrubbed data will look suspicious. They waited too long to try this

There was a data manager in FL that was running that state's dashboard who was fired because she refused to scrub the data.  The data still has gotten out, so I'm wondering if this will wind up being a state by state issue.  

Will those states that are run by Democratic governors release the data to a third party in order to keep the flow of information going out and those run by Republican governors put a blackout on it?  

[emma1420]

Jul 16, 2020 11:13:55 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

And since we have been seeing the data regularly, not seeing it is immediately suspect. If hospitals are canceling surgeries and talking about being full, scrubbed data will look suspicious. They waited too long to try this

I agree.  The cat is out of the bag.  But, none of this surprises me.  Trump didn't want to let a cruise ship dock because he didn't want the numbers going up.  He wants to slow testing down so the numbers won't be so high.

I know where I live our local television station reports the number of new cases each day for the state and then our local metro area.  They also report hepatizations and deaths.  It's on our 5p.m., 6p.m., and 10p.m. news every single day.  And I suspect that almost every local television station is doing something similar.  I don't think that Trump grasps that even if he cooks the books over in HHS, that isn't going to change the information that people find out about their local communities.  It's not information that he can hide.

[emma1420]

Jul 16, 2020 11:18:59 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Jul 16, 2020 11:13:55 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

And since we have been seeing the data regularly, not seeing it is immediately suspect. If hospitals are canceling surgeries and talking about being full, scrubbed data will look suspicious. They waited too long to try this

There was a data manager in FL that was running that state's dashboard who was fired because she refused to scrub the data.  The data still has gotten out, so I'm wondering if this will wind up being a state by state issue.  

Will those states that are run by Democratic governors release the data to a third party in order to keep the flow of information going out and those run by Republican governors put a blackout on it?  

I think that the republican governors can try, but they aren't going to be able to block data coming out from the county health departments.  And to be honest, I really only there are a handful of republican governors who are going to try that.  Probably DeSantis, Kemp, and Ducey are the most likely.   Basically, the governors who seem to think that their political fortunes are best tied to Trump.  Governors like Baker, Hogan, and to a lesser extent DeWine never tried to tie their political fortunes to Trump.  And I think more and more GOP governors (like Abbott, Ivey, etc.) are waking up to the fact that tying themselves to Trump is not a good long-term political strategy.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 16, 2020 11:19:16 GMT -5 emma1420 said:

Jul 16, 2020 11:13:55 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

And since we have been seeing the data regularly, not seeing it is immediately suspect. If hospitals are canceling surgeries and talking about being full, scrubbed data will look suspicious. They waited too long to try this

I agree.  The cat is out of the bag.  But, none of this surprises me.  Trump didn't want to let a cruise ship dock because he didn't want the numbers going up.  He wants to slow testing down so the numbers won't be so high.

I know where I live our local television station reports the number of new cases each day for the state and then our local metro area.  They also report hepatizations and deaths.  It's on our 5p.m., 6p.m., and 10p.m. news every single day.  And I suspect that almost every local television station is doing something similar.  I don't think that Trump grasps that even if he cooks the books over in HHS, that isn't going to change the information that people find out about their local communities.  It's not information that he can hide.

Our data is in the papers, on the TV news, given to me by the hospital, and I hear how other hospitals are doing by the grapevine. No way this doesn't get out. And if other states refuse to show the data, I suspect the states doing well will put in travel restrictions. For a state like Florida, that will do wonders for their travel industry.