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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 14, 2020 17:18:04 GMT -5
Local hospitals have been ordered to report their coronaviruses cases to a WA HHS database, not the CDC.
The hits keep coming....
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Post by Opti on Jul 14, 2020 17:29:10 GMT -5
Does he have the authority to demand this? What is he going to do if they send it both places?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 14, 2020 17:39:13 GMT -5
Can’t hide the hospitals being full. Never knew how far they would go with “alternate facts”. I do think that many states will publicize the numbers anyway, and the numbers should be available through the freedom of information act. Never a good look when you try to hide data though
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 14, 2020 18:25:00 GMT -5
The Florida governor was trying to get hospitals to cook their hospital cases of Covid - trying to separate ‘really sick’ from ‘sick’ cases to reduce the number reported.
Of course trump wants a chance to massage the numbers. He’s great at that.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 14, 2020 18:27:52 GMT -5
Local hospitals have been ordered to report their coronaviruses cases to a WA HHS database, not the CDC. The hits keep coming.... Jesus F*cking Christ.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 14, 2020 18:30:42 GMT -5
Local hospitals have been ordered to report their coronaviruses cases to a WA HHS database, not the CDC. The hits keep coming.... what, about any part of his business practices over the years, makes this anything but a given? 🤷♀️
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jul 15, 2020 9:15:30 GMT -5
Of course he wants to cook the books - how else is he going to deal with a virus? Listen to the experts? I think this is a move to control and manipulate the data. We won't be able to trust the numbers and won't have any idea of what is actually going on. Trump administration orders hospitals to bypass CDC and send all COVID-19 patient information to central database in Washington WASHINGTON — The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all coronavirus patient information to a central database in Washington beginning on Wednesday. The move has alarmed health experts who fear the data will be politicized or withheld from the public. The new instructions were posted in a little-noticed document on the Department of Health and Human Services website. From now on, the department — not the CDC — will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, the number of available beds and ventilators, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic. From CNN The Times said hospitals are to begin reporting the data to HHS on Wednesday, noting also that the "database that will receive new information is not open to the public, which could affect the work of scores of researchers, modelers and health officials who rely on C.D.C. data to make projections and crucial decisions." www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/politics/trump-administration-coronavirus-hospital-data-cdc/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2QJJgcgDBnS8d0sVsCTHmdEhodeMnCvUvIWjGaiqQCxNR2TAJA1For3i0The NYT also has the story but the link below is free www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-nyt-covid-cdc-data-trump-20200715-aizxwwrqlbaufjsjig3rlvx7qy-story.html?fbclid=IwAR2KuQy1r-oBo_VQOZNJiynDcVu1vYRZAGGfmVVo9Qw7dGv-nNd_fHB0HAQLast Edit: 28
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Satire from The Borowitz ReportTrump Claims Biden Could Never Have a Pandemic As Big As HisBy Andy Borowitz WASHINGTON, D.C.(The Borowitz Report)—Trying out a new line of attack against the former Vice-President, Donald Trump said on Wednesday that Joe Biden could never have a pandemic as big as his. “Biden was Vice-President for eight years and had all the time in the world to have a pandemic,” Trump said. “Where was his pandemic?” By contrast, Trump asserted, “In just a few months, I’ve built the biggest pandemic this country has seen in a hundred years.” “People are going to be talking about my pandemic for generations to come,” Trump said. “What did Biden ever have? Swine flu? What a joke.” Trump said that Biden’s failure to have “any pandemic worth writing home about” makes him a “terrible choice” to be President. Complete article here: Trump Claims Biden Could Never Have a Pandemic As Big As His
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Post by Tiny on Jul 15, 2020 10:33:19 GMT -5
Did the pinned thread with the worldometer link go away?? j
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 15, 2020 11:15:14 GMT -5
And while he was being thrown this bone by Congress they got an override at 2 am by the Supreme Court on federal executions and the first one has already been carried out.
Assholes the lot of them. If I ever believed in God and the Bible to begin with I would have stopped by now because if there was a God every single one of these dick bags would be pillars of salt or a pile of ashes by now.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 15, 2020 16:38:25 GMT -5
I doubt this will work. people in the medical profession want accurate and visible public reporting. they will figure out a work around.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 15, 2020 17:30:57 GMT -5
I doubt this will work. people in the medical profession want accurate and visible public reporting. they will figure out a work around. True, but he has just thrown the governors under the bus. If trump has his people undercount the cases, the governors have a problem, because they will be hearing what is happening on the ground in their state. So, listen to trump, people get killed. Do the right thing, feel trumps wrath. Wouldn’t want to be a Republican governor now
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 15, 2020 18:28:28 GMT -5
I doubt this will work. people in the medical profession want accurate and visible public reporting. they will figure out a work around. True, but he has just thrown the governors under the bus. If trump has his people undercount the cases, the governors have a problem, because they will be hearing what is happening on the ground in their state. So, listen to trump, people get killed. Do the right thing, feel trumps wrath. Wouldn’t want to be a Republican governor now At least if you are a Democratic governor, trump doesn't care about you anyway. The only problem is we need everyone to work together. I have to wonder how much the governors of FL, TX and AZ regret following trump’s edicts on opening. They didn’t have to have the mess they are dealing with now.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 15, 2020 18:31:52 GMT -5
True, but he has just thrown the governors under the bus. If trump has his people undercount the cases, the governors have a problem, because they will be hearing what is happening on the ground in their state. So, listen to trump, people get killed. Do the right thing, feel trumps wrath. Wouldn’t want to be a Republican governor now At least if you are a Democratic governor, trump doesn't care about you anyway. The only problem is we need everyone to work together. I have to wonder how much the governors of FL, TX and AZ regret following trump’s edicts on opening. They didn’t have to have the mess they are dealing with now. Disantis, not at all, he is all in. Ducey not sure. Abbott, I think so
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 15, 2020 19:30:51 GMT -5
At least if you are a Democratic governor, trump doesn't care about you anyway. The only problem is we need everyone to work together. I have to wonder how much the governors of FL, TX and AZ regret following trump’s edicts on opening. They didn’t have to have the mess they are dealing with now. Disantis, not at all, he is all in. Ducey not sure. Abbott, I think so Ducey is showing signs that he might do the right thing for his people vs the right thing for Trump. I believe he is weighing the possibility that Trump is screwing this up so bad, that agreeing with him will not get him re-elected, so he might as well take his chances on getting re-elected with Trump mouthing off about him. AND he isn't up this year. So, Trump may or may not have a good platform to sink him in 2022. But his opposition will always highlight the mistakes Ducey made during the pandemic.
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Post by justme on Jul 15, 2020 19:35:11 GMT -5
Desantis is betting on people forgetting about this clusterfuck by the time he's up for reelection. I'm not sure whether the hardest hit areas not having been overwhelmingly for him last time is a good or bad thing. Though killing off those voted for him isn't a good thing.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 15, 2020 19:42:20 GMT -5
Disantis, not at all, he is all in. Ducey not sure. Abbott, I think so Ducey is showing signs that he might do the right thing for his people vs the right thing for Trump. I believe he is weighing the possibility that Trump is screwing this up so bad, that agreeing with him will not get him re-elected, so he might as well take his chances on getting re-elected with Trump mouthing off about him. AND he isn't up this year. So, Trump may or may not have a good platform to sink him in 2022. But his opposition will always highlight the mistakes Ducey made during the pandemic. I thought they were elected to do the right thing for their constituents. Guess I was wrong
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 15, 2020 19:46:28 GMT -5
Ducey is showing signs that he might do the right thing for his people vs the right thing for Trump. I believe he is weighing the possibility that Trump is screwing this up so bad, that agreeing with him will not get him re-elected, so he might as well take his chances on getting re-elected with Trump mouthing off about him. AND he isn't up this year. So, Trump may or may not have a good platform to sink him in 2022. But his opposition will always highlight the mistakes Ducey made during the pandemic. I thought they were elected to do the right thing for their constituents. Guess I was wrong You are so cute.... But, yes, Ducey isn't changing his tune because his grinch heart grew three sizes in one day. He is doing it because he realized his constituents wanted something other than stupid Trump lies and conspiracy theories. They want protection. So, he gave them just enough to make us think he is doing something, but not so much (yet) that Trump will blast him down. Seems as if our cases are leveling off.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 15, 2020 19:52:19 GMT -5
I thought they were elected to do the right thing for their constituents. Guess I was wrong You are so cute.... But, yes, Ducey isn't changing his tune because his grinch heart grew three sizes in one day. He is doing it because he realized his constituents wanted something other than stupid Trump lies and conspiracy theories. They want protection. So, he gave them just enough to make us think he is doing something, but not so much (yet) that Trump will blast him down. Seems as if our cases are leveling off. I hope for your medical professionals sake you are right. Now, can he leave what he has done in place long enough to drive your cases down. You are still at 3-4K a day. It can take a ling time for them to really come down
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 15, 2020 19:53:20 GMT -5
I thought they were elected to do the right thing for their constituents. Guess I was wrong You are so cute.... But, yes, Ducey isn't changing his tune because his grinch heart grew three sizes in one day. He is doing it because he realized his constituents wanted something other than stupid Trump lies and conspiracy theories. They want protection. So, he gave them just enough to make us think he is doing something, but not so much (yet) that Trump will blast him down. Seems as if our cases are leveling off. And thanks, I haven’t been cute for a long time, but am happy to accept the compliment
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Post by emma1420 on Jul 16, 2020 10:53:07 GMT -5
Did you see that the CDC has now scrubbed all the COVID-19 data that they had on their website? So it goes beyond just new data.
I'm so glad that we live in the internet era. Because the numbers will be far more difficult to hide or alter when it's also being collected by other third parties as well.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 16, 2020 11:02:58 GMT -5
Did you see that the CDC has now scrubbed all the COVID-19 data that they had on their website? So it goes beyond just new data. I'm so glad that we live in the internet era. Because the numbers will be far more difficult to hide or alter when it's also being collected by other third parties as well. Do you know where Johns Hopkins gets their data? I was assuming from the CDC.
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Post by emma1420 on Jul 16, 2020 11:08:49 GMT -5
Did you see that the CDC has now scrubbed all the COVID-19 data that they had on their website? So it goes beyond just new data. I'm so glad that we live in the internet era. Because the numbers will be far more difficult to hide or alter when it's also being collected by other third parties as well. Do you know where Johns Hopkins gets their data? I was assuming from the CDC. I'm not sure. I believe that the Covidtracking project gets their data directly from the states. So it's possible that Hopkins does as well. If removing the data from the CDC is some attempt to cover up reality, I don't think it will work. There are too many other ways that information can and will be tracked.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 16, 2020 11:13:00 GMT -5
Do you know where Johns Hopkins gets their data? I was assuming from the CDC. I'm not sure. I believe that the Covidtracking project gets their data directly from the states. So it's possible that Hopkins does as well. If removing the data from the CDC is some attempt to cover up reality, I don't think it will work. There are too many other ways that information can and will be tracked. It just dawned on me that I have a friend who is the PH director in one of the states. I probably could give her a call to find out exactly how the flow of information is going to go.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 16, 2020 11:13:55 GMT -5
And since we have been seeing the data regularly, not seeing it is immediately suspect. If hospitals are canceling surgeries and talking about being full, scrubbed data will look suspicious. They waited too long to try this
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 16, 2020 11:18:59 GMT -5
And since we have been seeing the data regularly, not seeing it is immediately suspect. If hospitals are canceling surgeries and talking about being full, scrubbed data will look suspicious. They waited too long to try this There was a data manager in FL that was running that state's dashboard who was fired because she refused to scrub the data. The data still has gotten out, so I'm wondering if this will wind up being a state by state issue. Will those states that are run by Democratic governors release the data to a third party in order to keep the flow of information going out and those run by Republican governors put a blackout on it?
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Post by emma1420 on Jul 16, 2020 11:19:16 GMT -5
And since we have been seeing the data regularly, not seeing it is immediately suspect. If hospitals are canceling surgeries and talking about being full, scrubbed data will look suspicious. They waited too long to try this I agree. The cat is out of the bag. But, none of this surprises me. Trump didn't want to let a cruise ship dock because he didn't want the numbers going up. He wants to slow testing down so the numbers won't be so high. I know where I live our local television station reports the number of new cases each day for the state and then our local metro area. They also report hepatizations and deaths. It's on our 5p.m., 6p.m., and 10p.m. news every single day. And I suspect that almost every local television station is doing something similar. I don't think that Trump grasps that even if he cooks the books over in HHS, that isn't going to change the information that people find out about their local communities. It's not information that he can hide.
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Post by emma1420 on Jul 16, 2020 11:24:28 GMT -5
And since we have been seeing the data regularly, not seeing it is immediately suspect. If hospitals are canceling surgeries and talking about being full, scrubbed data will look suspicious. They waited too long to try this There was a data manager in FL that was running that state's dashboard who was fired because she refused to scrub the data. The data still has gotten out, so I'm wondering if this will wind up being a state by state issue. Will those states that are run by Democratic governors release the data to a third party in order to keep the flow of information going out and those run by Republican governors put a blackout on it? I think that the republican governors can try, but they aren't going to be able to block data coming out from the county health departments. And to be honest, I really only there are a handful of republican governors who are going to try that. Probably DeSantis, Kemp, and Ducey are the most likely. Basically, the governors who seem to think that their political fortunes are best tied to Trump. Governors like Baker, Hogan, and to a lesser extent DeWine never tried to tie their political fortunes to Trump. And I think more and more GOP governors (like Abbott, Ivey, etc.) are waking up to the fact that tying themselves to Trump is not a good long-term political strategy.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 16, 2020 11:29:14 GMT -5
And since we have been seeing the data regularly, not seeing it is immediately suspect. If hospitals are canceling surgeries and talking about being full, scrubbed data will look suspicious. They waited too long to try this I agree. The cat is out of the bag. But, none of this surprises me. Trump didn't want to let a cruise ship dock because he didn't want the numbers going up. He wants to slow testing down so the numbers won't be so high. I know where I live our local television station reports the number of new cases each day for the state and then our local metro area. They also report hepatizations and deaths. It's on our 5p.m., 6p.m., and 10p.m. news every single day. And I suspect that almost every local television station is doing something similar. I don't think that Trump grasps that even if he cooks the books over in HHS, that isn't going to change the information that people find out about their local communities. It's not information that he can hide. Our data is in the papers, on the TV news, given to me by the hospital, and I hear how other hospitals are doing by the grapevine. No way this doesn't get out. And if other states refuse to show the data, I suspect the states doing well will put in travel restrictions. For a state like Florida, that will do wonders for their travel industry.
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