Why did trump take a cognitive test, and

[irishpad]

Jul 10, 2020 20:21:35 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Jul 10, 2020 18:35:51 GMT -5 irishpad said:

ooh ooh, I'm looking forward to those questions since I've been celibate my entire life.    Starting to think of some creative answers just to make the doc embarrassed

Why weren’t you at my Catholic HS?  I might have stuck around longer!

yeah, I guess I'm probably not your typical priest.   lol   Just had a great conversation today with a former seminary classmate, he left the priesthood after 3 years (we have similar political views) and it was great just to be able to talk openly with him.  Another classmate who did not get ordained lives in your area so I have been there a least a dozen times the last 30 years.   Great place that you live

[weltschmerz]

Jul 10, 2020 18:40:28 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I saw that, trump took that test two years ago and was recently bragging to a room of staffers about how well he did. He claimed all the doctors were astonished that he passed it.

I don’t think he realized what that meant. They expected he would fail.

Idiot.

Right, it's so hard to identify a camel, a rhino and to draw a clock.
Clearly, he's a stable genius.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jul 10, 2020 20:44:17 GMT -5 irishpad said:

Jul 10, 2020 20:21:35 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Why weren’t you at my Catholic HS?  I might have stuck around longer!

yeah, I guess I'm probably not your typical priest.   lol   Just had a great conversation today with a former seminary classmate, he left the priesthood after 3 years (we have similar political views) and it was great just to be able to talk openly with him.  Another classmate who did not get ordained lives in your area so I have been there a least a dozen times the last 30 years.   Great place that you live

I think so....I am a fairly recent transplant up here, and love it.  I moved up here after I lost my hips, and my career.

[irishpad]

Jul 10, 2020 19:13:03 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

Since neither you nor your doc can rat the other out, let 'er rip. Wish I could be a mouse in the woodwork.

Whatsisname, the Father of My Children, left the seminary before taking vows. Said he didn't want to spend his life in a cold shower reading his breviary.

I missed this when your originally posted it.   Midnight now and I'm laughing so hard I probably won't be able to sleep for a few hours.    For the rest of you, look up the definition of "breviary"    Thanks for the good laugh

[weltschmerz]

Padre, did you ever see this film? It"s pretty interesting.


www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/losing-our-religion-film-cinematheque-1.4315077

[happyhoix]

Jul 10, 2020 20:31:44 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jul 10, 2020 19:13:03 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

Since neither you nor your doc can rat the other out, let 'er rip. Wish I could be a mouse in the woodwork.

Whatsisname, the Father of My Children, left the seminary before taking vows. Said he didn't want to spend his life in a cold shower reading his breviary.

An older friend of mine, now in her early eighties entered the convent right out of high school. Once in, she knew she were would have no problem with poverty or chastity. But she found out real early she would have a problem with obedience.

She didn't last thirty days in the convent.

I have a problem with that, too. I always figured if I was around in the Puritan times I would have been burned as a witch for being obstinate.

[irishpad]

Jul 11, 2020 0:39:23 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Padre, did you ever see this film? It"s pretty interesting.


www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/losing-our-religion-film-cinematheque-1.4315077

Thanks for the  reference.   Didn't watch the film yet but read the article.   Been to Winnipeg a lot as I live just south of there.   

[GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl]

Jul 10, 2020 18:40:11 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

irishpad

He’s a priest.

[mamasita99]

Jul 11, 2020 8:17:59 GMT -5 GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl said:

Jul 10, 2020 18:40:11 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

irishpad

He’s a priest.

It’s ok, it took me a while to figure that out!

[Deleted]

Jul 10, 2020 18:35:51 GMT -5 irishpad said:

Jul 10, 2020 15:36:51 GMT -5 @donethat said:

I've never had that one.  I get a pre-visit screening questionnaire about how many times do I fall, how many days do I have anxiety, how often do I feel hopeless.  Uh, never, every day and constantly since the last presidential election. What really ticked me off was one they made me complete about 5 years ago on my sexual activities and partners.  I asked the doc WTF and he was so embarrassed but said Medicare required it.  BS, Dh's doc at the same clinic didn't ask him anything.  

It's about like the questionnaire I get before my mammo.  Which has been done at the same clinic since late 90's.  Questions like "when was your last exam? what were the results?"  My answer last year was blunt, "look that crap up in your records"

ooh ooh, I'm looking forward to those questions since I've been celibate my entire life.    Starting to think of some creative answers just to make the doc embarrassed

And I have been faithfully married for 46 years.  

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

When they first started electronic records the pediatric nurse asked me if Gwen smoked.   She was four.

I responded yes she does she's up to four packs a day and I just don't know what to do. 

The nurse said she "had to" ask that question otherwise the software would not let her move forward.  Did you really?  Pretty sure you could have just clicked "no".   I guess several parents had gotten offended.. .gee wonder why?

[Deleted]

Jul 10, 2020 15:36:51 GMT -5 @donethat said:

What really ticked me off was one they made me complete about 5 years ago on my sexual activities and partners.  I asked the doc WTF and he was so embarrassed but said Medicare required it.  BS, Dh's doc at the same clinic didn't ask him anything.  

I agree- I've been on Medicare since 2018 and have never been asked questions that detailed.  I did tell my doc I needed a refill of the Premarin cream that keeps certain activities from being VERY painful and she replied, "since you're sexually active, would you like me to order a test for STDs?" [img alt="" class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png"]

The "draw a clock face" exercise reminded me of DH's last months.  Overall his mind was working OK but one day he just seemed disoriented. I remembered that a psychiatrist friend in the family had once told me that asking a person to draw a clock face with numbers in the appropriate places was a good, quick test of cognitive function.   He had a hard time with it and the result was so bad it was scary.  I crumpled it up and threw it out.   Fortunately his mind cleared up later- maybe it was just a couple of his meds interacting.  I got the picture out of the trash0 even he was startled at how badly he'd done on it.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 11, 2020 10:13:55 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

When they first started electronic records the pediatric nurse asked me if Gwen smoked.   She was four.

I responded yes she does she's up to four packs a day and I just don't know what to do. 

The nurse said she "had to" ask that question otherwise the software would not let her move forward.  Did you really?  Pretty sure you could have just clicked "no".   I guess several parents had gotten offended.. .gee wonder why?

I saw someone who told me they started smoking at age 5. If you do this long enough, you learn to never assume anything, because you will be wrong. Same thing will happen if she is 12 and seen in theED. They will do a pregnancy test. Only need to be wrong once because you assume something to never do it again.

[billisonboard]

Jul 11, 2020 10:13:55 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

When they first started electronic records the pediatric nurse asked me if Gwen smoked.   She was four.

I responded yes she does she's up to four packs a day and I just don't know what to do. 

The nurse said she "had to" ask that question otherwise the software would not let her move forward.  Did you really?  Pretty sure you could have just clicked "no".   I guess several parents had gotten offended.. .gee wonder why?

My answer to the question "why" some people were offended would be because that is a default reaction for some people. It tends to be for my wife.

Think it through: there is a list of questions. The nurse could:
1) read each one out load, get and mark the response
or
2) she could read each question silently to herself, process if the question had an obvious response based on the person it was being asked of, mark if it does/read out loud if it doesn't, and mark the response.
I would prefer 1 as it would be a lot faster.

[Deleted]

Jul 11, 2020 10:43:55 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

Jul 10, 2020 15:36:51 GMT -5 @donethat said:

What really ticked me off was one they made me complete about 5 years ago on my sexual activities and partners.  I asked the doc WTF and he was so embarrassed but said Medicare required it.  BS, Dh's doc at the same clinic didn't ask him anything.  

I agree- I've been on Medicare since 2018 and have never been asked questions that detailed.  I did tell my doc I needed a refill of the Premarin cream that keeps certain activities from being VERY painful and she replied, "since you're sexually active, would you like me to order a test for STDs?" [img alt="[img alt="" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png" class="smile"]" class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png"]

The "draw a clock face" exercise reminded me of DH's last months.  Overall his mind was working OK but one day he just seemed disoriented. I remembered that a psychiatrist friend in the family had once told me that asking a person to draw a clock face with numbers in the appropriate places was a good, quick test of cognitive function.   He had a hard time with it and the result was so bad it was scary.  I crumpled it up and threw it out.   Fortunately his mind cleared up later- maybe it was just a couple of his meds interacting.  I got the picture out of the trash0 even he was startled at how badly he'd done on it.

I do know at one time several years ago there was stats showing an alarming number of seniors were contracting HIV and other STD's because they didn't not use condoms.  Evidently that was driven by (1) no need for contraception and (2) a perception that asking your partner to use condoms was rude or offensive.  So maybe that's why my clinic started asking the questions 

[Deleted]

Jul 11, 2020 11:26:56 GMT -5 @donethat said:

I do know at one time several years ago there was stats showing an alarming number of seniors were contracting HIV and other STD's because they didn't not use condoms. Evidently that was driven by (1) no need for contraception and (2) a perception that asking your partner to use condoms was rude or offensive. So maybe that's why my clinic started asking the questions.

Yes, I remember reading that, too. It's a valid concern but it's still wrong to lie and say Medicare REQUIRES it.

I laugh when I donate blood and they ask, "Aare you now pregnant or have you been in the last 6 months?"  I guess they have to ask. 

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 11, 2020 11:26:56 GMT -5 @donethat said:

Jul 11, 2020 10:43:55 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

I agree- I've been on Medicare since 2018 and have never been asked questions that detailed.  I did tell my doc I needed a refill of the Premarin cream that keeps certain activities from being VERY painful and she replied, "since you're sexually active, would you like me to order a test for STDs?" [img alt="[img alt="[img class="smile" alt="" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png"]" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png" class="smile"]" class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png"]

The "draw a clock face" exercise reminded me of DH's last months.  Overall his mind was working OK but one day he just seemed disoriented. I remembered that a psychiatrist friend in the family had once told me that asking a person to draw a clock face with numbers in the appropriate places was a good, quick test of cognitive function.   He had a hard time with it and the result was so bad it was scary.  I crumpled it up and threw it out.   Fortunately his mind cleared up later- maybe it was just a couple of his meds interacting.  I got the picture out of the trash0 even he was startled at how badly he'd done on it.

I do know at one time several years ago there was stats showing an alarming number of seniors were contracting HIV and other STD's because they didn't not use condoms.  Evidently that was driven by (1) no need for contraception and (2) a perception that asking your partner to use condoms was rude or offensive.  So maybe that's why my clinic started asking the questions 

You would be surprised by what Medicare mandates for certain codes, and if you do not do them, they deny payment. Never too much requirements for insurers, it allows them to look reasonable when they do not pay for a service.

[finnime]

THey also (CMS) use the data for reporting purposes--quality of care tracking. I know this from setting up some computer systems for various physician and hospital clinic practices. So they MUST ask, regardless, although the gender-specific questions can be avoided if not applicable.

[Deleted]

Yes, my clinic is the first accountable care organization in the US.  They maintain high standards because of that, to the point that they are pretty annoying sometimes.  But that's okay because they do some really good things to like allowing job sharing for physicians who are parents, and being fully accessible to the trans community.  

[TheOtherMe]

When I had surgery, I was told if I had to return to the hospital for an infection, Medicare would not pay and I could not be billed for it.  The hospital would have to treat the infection on their dime.  I am sure that is why I had a home health nurse checking and cleaning the incision for 3 weeks.  Medicare covered her visits and I did not get an infection.

[weltschmerz]

"I actually took one when I, uh, very recently, when I was, uh, when I was — you know the radical left was saying, ‘Is he all there? Is he all there?’ And I proved I was all there ‘cause I aced it, I aced the test, and he should take the same exact test, a very standard test at Walter Reed Medical Center. I took it in front of doctors, and they were very surprised. They said, ‘That’s an unbelievable thing, very rarely do people do what you just did.’

That's such bullshit. Most people can pass that that test, easily.
His supporters will lap it up.
I'd like to see the names of those doctors. Nobody said any such thing. But, it's Trump. Lies atop of other lies, which rest on another pile of lies.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 11, 2020 15:15:41 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

"I actually took one when I, uh, very recently, when I was, uh, when I was — you know the radical left was saying, ‘Is he all there? Is he all there?’ And I proved I was all there ‘cause I aced it, I aced the test, and he should take the same exact test, a very standard test at Walter Reed Medical Center. I took it in front of doctors, and they were very surprised. They said, ‘That’s an unbelievable thing, very rarely do people do what you just did.’

That's such bullshit. Most people can pass that that test, easily.
Hid supporters will lap it up.
I'd like to see the names of those doctors. Nobody said any such thing. But, it's Trump. Lies atop of other lies, which rest on another pile of lies.

I know I aced the test, should I brag about that?

[NastyWoman]

Jul 11, 2020 15:41:16 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 11, 2020 15:15:41 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

"I actually took one when I, uh, very recently, when I was, uh, when I was — you know the radical left was saying, ‘Is he all there? Is he all there?’ And I proved I was all there ‘cause I aced it, I aced the test, and he should take the same exact test, a very standard test at Walter Reed Medical Center. I took it in front of doctors, and they were very surprised. They said, ‘That’s an unbelievable thing, very rarely do people do what you just did.’

That's such bullshit. Most people can pass that that test, easily.
Hid supporters will lap it up.
I'd like to see the names of those doctors. Nobody said any such thing. But, it's Trump. Lies atop of other lies, which rest on another pile of lies.

I know I aced the test, should I brag about that?

You should frame the test and hang it in your waiting room. If your patients are trumpies (and chances are some will be) that should make them feel ever so much safer. 


Sorry I couldn't resist 

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 11, 2020 16:03:27 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jul 11, 2020 15:41:16 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I know I aced the test, should I brag about that?

You should frame the test and hang it in your waiting room. If your patients are trumpies (and chances are some will be) that should make them feel ever so much safer. 


Sorry I couldn't resist 

It really isn’t all that impressive to ace it if you have an advanced degree

[NastyWoman]

Jul 11, 2020 16:25:43 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 11, 2020 16:03:27 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

You should frame the test and hang it in your waiting room. If your patients are trumpies (and chances are some will be) that should make them feel ever so much safer. 


Sorry I couldn't resist  [img alt="" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png" class="smile"]

It really isn’t all that impressive to ace it if you have an advanced degree

You really are not looking at this from the right (trumpie) angle. It goes medical school, residency, specialist, 30 or so years experience? Meh, just another elitist! He ACED the trump test? OMG, MAGA! That is the doc for me! He has proven to be the best of the best.

So stop trying to look for logic here. It won'get you from point A to point Squiggle

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 11, 2020 16:31:52 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jul 11, 2020 16:25:43 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

It really isn’t all that impressive to ace it if you have an advanced degree

You really are not looking at this from the right (trumpie) angle. It goes medical school, residency, specialist, 30 or so years experience? Meh, just another elitist! He ACED the trump test? OMG, MAGA! That is the doc for me! He has proven to be the best of the best.

So stop trying to look for logic here. It won'get you from point A to point Squiggle

Sorry, I will try to do better. Need to lose about 50 IQ points though. And take a shower afterwards.

I am on my phone, so can’t post a link. But search mini mental status exam to see the test. If you have a college degree, especially from an elite school, and you can’t get a 29, you may be headed for trouble

[Deleted]

Meh. I aced it and don't have a degree. And that plus $2.50, boys and girls, will get me a ride on a MARTA bus in Atlanta.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 11, 2020 17:57:57 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

Meh. I aced it and don't have a degree. And that plus $2.50, boys and girls, will get me a ride on a MARTA bus in Atlanta.

That’s my point. Anyone who is cognitively intact and has half a brain can do it. Nothing to brag about. It is a screening test to see if there is a reason to be concerned, nothing more. But the morons who love trump will think it is some sort of accomplishment

[Opti]

Jul 10, 2020 15:36:51 GMT -5 @donethat said:

I've never had that one.  I get a pre-visit screening questionnaire about how many times do I fall, how many days do I have anxiety, how often do I feel hopeless.  Uh, never, every day and constantly since the last presidential election. What really ticked me off was one they made me complete about 5 years ago on my sexual activities and partners.  I asked the doc WTF and he was so embarrassed but said Medicare required it.  BS, Dh's doc at the same clinic didn't ask him anything.  

It's about like the questionnaire I get before my mammo.  Which has been done at the same clinic since late 90's.  Questions like "when was your last exam? what were the results?"  My answer last year was blunt, "look that crap up in your records"

I wonder if he was just embarrassed to be caught and was sexually harassing you. I think some men just fuck with women because they can and they get away with it. 

[tallguy]

Jul 11, 2020 18:10:29 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 11, 2020 17:57:57 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

Meh. I aced it and don't have a degree. And that plus $2.50, boys and girls, will get me a ride on a MARTA bus in Atlanta.

That’s my point. Anyone who is cognitively intact and has half a brain can do it. Nothing to brag about. It is a screening test to see if there is a reason to be concerned, nothing more. But the morons who love trump will think it is some sort of accomplishment

For half of them it probably would be....