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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 7, 2020 12:43:23 GMT -5
I did not vote for Clinton the second time - when all the Monica stuff was out and all the other accusations were floating around. I was highly disturbed by the Monica issue. She was in an intern/employee/subordinate relationship and I felt a sexual relationship with someone who was in a subordinate role to Clinton was just wrong. The other accusations I did not find credible for the most part, and or felt that they had to be consensual given the narrative. It actually disturbed me more at that time than it does now. I did also feel that Clinton lied under oath, and therefore I would not vote for him in any case. I felt then, and feel even stronger about it now, that Men don't care about infidelity, and Politicians probably feel it is their right. They are a slimy bunch. We are at a much more liberated point that we were when Clinton ran (1993-2001). I actually am shocked that Trump managed to get elected with his background. I do thing it is much due to his race baiting, and now it is not just Men that don't care about infidelity, many women don't care either.Epstein was despicable, but again, many don't care about teen girls having sex with dirty old men. I would guess that most presidents in the past were involved in infidelity, and it was pretty well covered up by their underlings. However, it was well known by the public and far more accepted 50+ years ago than it is today. Does that really make us more liberated?
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Jul 7, 2020 15:14:39 GMT -5
My H. said they caught and are prosecuting the ring leader of a private group that paid $75,000 to be in it. I have no further facts.
All of this is tuning my stomach. In the 80s, I was told about slick willy running for president. The Dems knew his background.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 7, 2020 15:25:15 GMT -5
uh, he wasn't running for President til 1992...?
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Post by justme on Jul 7, 2020 15:53:18 GMT -5
I did not vote for Clinton the second time - when all the Monica stuff was out and all the other accusations were floating around. I was highly disturbed by the Monica issue. She was in an intern/employee/subordinate relationship and I felt a sexual relationship with someone who was in a subordinate role to Clinton was just wrong. The other accusations I did not find credible for the most part, and or felt that they had to be consensual given the narrative. It actually disturbed me more at that time than it does now. I did also feel that Clinton lied under oath, and therefore I would not vote for him in any case. I felt then, and feel even stronger about it now, that Men don't care about infidelity, and Politicians probably feel it is their right. They are a slimy bunch. We are at a much more liberated point that we were when Clinton ran (1993-2001). I actually am shocked that Trump managed to get elected with his background. I do thing it is much due to his race baiting, and now it is not just Men that don't care about infidelity, many women don't care either. Epstein was despicable, but again, many don't care about teen girls having sex with dirty old men. Everyone did Monica dirty. She did an interview with I think John Oliver (could have been Trevor Noah but I'm pretty sure it was John) relatively recently and it was a great interview and rather eye opening. Granted I was just 12 years old at the time so I missed a lot of what it's about so there was a lot to open my eyes to.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 7, 2020 16:12:57 GMT -5
There is video of trump and Epstein dancing with a dance floor full of beauty pageant contestants- if that’s all they have on trump, he’s done much worse and still gets rave reviews from the far right evangelicals. And I haven’t heard there is much on Clinton, either. However there’s a woman who has a picture of herself with prince Andrew when she was 17 - on the night she said the prince raped her. So I’m guessing the royal family is very concerned. Which means maxwell is very likely to slip on soap in the shower and wind up dead, imho. I don't have any problem believing Prince Andrew had sex with that girl. However, people keep talking about her being underage but she was not. The age of consent in the UK is 16. I'm not trying to minimize sex trafficking or exploitation in any way and his behaviour is gross but if he "didn't know" she was being trafficked and thought she was just another pretty young woman who wants to have sex with a prince then he's not going to face charges. She claims she was raped, which is wrong at any age. She could be lying. There ought to be a trial to determine the facts. And that’s what’s giving the Queen heart burn.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 7, 2020 16:16:29 GMT -5
My H. said they caught and are prosecuting the ring leader of a private group that paid $75,000 to be in it. I have no further facts. All of this is tuning my stomach. In the 80s, I was told about slick willy running for president. The Dems knew his background. Going to say the same thing about trump and the republicans. Or are values only something republicans require of democratic candidates. Republicans once thought that morality mattered. So, given who they elected and currently support, I no longer have to listen to how a candidate is, or isn’t a fine upstanding church going person. Right
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Jul 7, 2020 17:18:56 GMT -5
I thought the authorities had the visitors log to Epstein's island. ------- Chiver78 On going, the political parties are looking at people they can run for offices.
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Post by Happy prose on Jul 7, 2020 17:35:00 GMT -5
I thought the authorities had the visitors log to Epstein's island. ------- Chiver78 On going, the political parties are looking at people they can run for offices.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think it was a flight log to the island on Epstein's jet. If that's correct, i imagine there was boat access also that wasn't recorded.
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Post by alabamagal on Jul 8, 2020 11:37:14 GMT -5
I don’t think that there is going to be much on Clinton to Trump. I think there will be lots of rich guys that we don’t recognize yet, but will certainly find out about. And I think Prince Andrew will definitely be on the list. There are rumors of tapes, so that could get interesting.
Epstein’s island getaway was in a foreign country (Bahamas). I’m not sure legally what US authorities can do? What exactly are the charges for a participant in a sex party with young girls, where it may not be against the law in the place the party is held? If you did not participate in kidnapping from US can you be charged? Certainly anybody involved will certainly be embarrassed by having anticipated, just not sure what legally can be done.
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Post by swamp on Jul 8, 2020 11:43:05 GMT -5
I don’t think that there is going to be much on Clinton to Trump. I think there will be lots of rich guys that we don’t recognize yet, but will certainly find out about. And I think Prince Andrew will definitely be on the list. There are rumors of tapes, so that could get interesting. Epstein’s island getaway was in a foreign country (Bahamas). I’m not sure legally what US authorities can do? What exactly are the charges for a participant in a sex party with young girls, where it may not be against the law in the place the party is held? If you did not participate in kidnapping from US can you be charged? Certainly anybody involved will certainly be embarrassed by having anticipated, just not sure what legally can be done. If the flight took off from the US with the underage girls with the intent to have a sex party, and the partying happened while in the air, it could be charged in the US. There could probably also be some charges for trafficking by flying out with the girls, but I'm not sure on the specifics.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jul 8, 2020 11:48:08 GMT -5
I don’t think that there is going to be much on Clinton to Trump. I think there will be lots of rich guys that we don’t recognize yet, but will certainly find out about. And I think Prince Andrew will definitely be on the list. There are rumors of tapes, so that could get interesting. Epstein’s island getaway was in a foreign country (Bahamas). I’m not sure legally what US authorities can do? What exactly are the charges for a participant in a sex party with young girls, where it may not be against the law in the place the party is held? If you did not participate in kidnapping from US can you be charged? Certainly anybody involved will certainly be embarrassed by having anticipated, just not sure what legally can be done. If the flight took off from the US with the underage girls with the intent to have a sex party, and the partying happened while in the air, it could be charged in the US. There could probably also be some charges for trafficking by flying out with the girls, but I'm not sure on the specifics. Would it matter if they made multiple stops in different countries before ending up in the Bahamas for a sex party? I'm guessing not.
I also assume there are tapes. Because scum do scummy things.
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Post by swamp on Jul 8, 2020 11:53:35 GMT -5
If the flight took off from the US with the underage girls with the intent to have a sex party, and the partying happened while in the air, it could be charged in the US. There could probably also be some charges for trafficking by flying out with the girls, but I'm not sure on the specifics. Would it matter if they made multiple stops in different countries before ending up in the Bahamas for a sex party? I'm guessing not.
I also assume there are tapes. Because scum do scummy things.
I have no idea
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Post by haapai on Jul 8, 2020 12:38:19 GMT -5
It's the Post.
Maxwell could have some very interesting and embarrassing things to say about rich and powerful people. She knows plenty. She may have records. She may even have tapes. But she has absolutely no incentive to talk or produce records or tapes. She's the remaining big fish. What prosecutor would offer her a deal?
Why would she take a deal if it were offered? She'd have to incriminate herself on enough charges that she'd probably still die in prison. More importantly, she would not be able to practice blackmail.
We aren't going to hear her talk or see the tapes unless she has a severe stroke or bobbles the blackmailing.
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Post by Happy prose on Jul 8, 2020 14:34:47 GMT -5
I don’t think that there is going to be much on Clinton to Trump. I think there will be lots of rich guys that we don’t recognize yet, but will certainly find out about. And I think Prince Andrew will definitely be on the list. There are rumors of tapes, so that could get interesting. Epstein’s island getaway was in a foreign country (Bahamas). I’m not sure legally what US authorities can do? What exactly are the charges for a participant in a sex party with young girls, where it may not be against the law in the place the party is held? If you did not participate in kidnapping from US can you be charged? Certainly anybody involved will certainly be embarrassed by having anticipated, just not sure what legally can be done. If the flight took off from the US with the underage girls with the intent to have a sex party, and the partying happened while in the air, it could be charged in the US. There could probably also be some charges for trafficking by flying out with the girls, but I'm not sure on the specifics. He did fly his jet in and out of Teterboro, NJ. I'm not sure if the 'kids' were with him there.
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