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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 18:37:35 GMT -5
T finally got his day in court yesterday. It was by video, but at least he doesn't have to wait any longer for a judgement. The squatters have to be out in five days or the sheriff is instructed to remove them. They owe him $3200 for the non-payment of rent. T will have to file a civil case to obtain funds to make house repairs.
At least there's finally an end to this story! ETA: I just learned that CPS was called three times about the child. The squatters believe T did it, but it was the squatter's sister who called. The child has not been removed from the home at this time.
Good for T that he finally has a legal resolution!
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jul 31, 2020 18:39:45 GMT -5
We are going to have to deal with the mobile home situation in Texas. We are going to call this weekend and see what they are going to do. Ours is an odd situation and Texas has strange homestead laws which may apply.
When we speak to them this weekend, we are going to let them know the $5k deal is only good till Oct 1, if they do not take it then we will have to go the legal route. We will eventually get them out, but I think it will take a long time.
The guy wanting the property is pushing, I figure its worth more but we are both satisified with what he is offering. But he wants me to sign a contract and I won't do it. I told him I won't sign it till we know we have them off. I don't want him to start pressuring us over it when we still have to get them off.
We knew it was worth money, probably more then we think. Hubs said well you are leading him on. i said no I'm not, I have told him, there is no deal until its in writing. I'm not going to be pressured.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 31, 2020 18:50:17 GMT -5
We are going to have to deal with the mobile home situation in Texas. We are going to call this weekend and see what they are going to do. Ours is an odd situation and Texas has strange homestead laws which may apply. When we speak to them this weekend, we are going to let them know the $5k deal is only good till Oct 1, if they do not take it then we will have to go the legal route. We will eventually get them out, but I think it will take a long time. The guy wanting the property is pushing, I figure its worth more but we are both satisified with what he is offering. But he wants me to sign a contract and I won't do it. I told him I won't sign it till we know we have them off. I don't want him to start pressuring us over it when we still have to get them off. We knew it was worth money, probably more then we think. Hubs said well you are leading him on. i said no I'm not, I have told him, there is no deal until its in writing. I'm not going to be pressured. I think it’s amazing in that we have gotten several offers on our undeveloped land next door. The offers are waaay under what the property is worth, even undeveloped....I think less than half of what the tax value is (which is about 60% of the appraised value). The fact he is pushing so hard means he thinks he’s getting a hell of a deal. If I were you, I’d get an appraiser out there to give you a real value of the property.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 31, 2020 18:57:13 GMT -5
I’m sorry, I’m not trying to take over this thread. It just pushes buttons for me. you're not taking over anything, your posts are entirely on-topic. it just sucks that your squatter happens to be your mom. vent away, that's what this board is here for. maybe you can get some advice from what the OP can share about her neighbor's saga. good luck!
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jul 31, 2020 19:36:57 GMT -5
My husband is well you have had a dialogue with him, you are starting to owe him. Sounds like you are willing to sell it to him. I told hubs I have committed to nothing, he keeps calling. Like I told the guy its not a deal till there is a written contract, is why he is pushing it. I'm not signing something I can't deliver. We are going to sell it, but I was getting ready to contact a realtor.
My husband is one of these guys that thinks a handshake is a deal. I owe that guy nothing. Yes, I'm at least calling a realtor to see what they think it is worth. I think $85k is a good price from what I'm seeing there, he is offering $65, I told him $85 oh he can't give that. Well, tough sh**. He is an investor, buying as cheap as he can. Hubs said well you might not get it sold and then what. Well get them off and rent it for market price if we have to. but we do want to get rid of it.
I don't listen to hubs on selling stuff, if I did he would give stuff away, he always swears I won't get the price I'm asking, in cars, trailers, etc, I always do. LOL!
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I’m sorry, I’m not trying to take over this thread. It just pushes buttons for me. you're not taking over anything, your posts are entirely on-topic. it just sucks that your squatter happens to be your mom. vent away, that's what this board is here for. maybe you can get some advice from what the OP can share about her neighbor's saga. good luck! Thank you. It absolutely does suck that it’s my own Mom, of all people. Everything I’ve ever believed about family and how important it was to me to look out for my loved ones, family AND true friends, has crumbled since I’ve been in this situation. And it really does make me sad because I feel like it’s forcing me to be someone I really don’t want to be. My Mom has dogged me out to family friends and church members, in efforts to get them to do her bidding. Making me seem like the bad guy because I took all MY stuff with me when I moved, although I did leave MY bed that she sleeps on. But yes I did take MY pots and pans, MY microwave, and all MY furniture except for the bed and mattress she sleeps on. But somehow, I’m the bad guy for doing so, even though I told her that DBF and I were planning to buy a house together.... I talked about that before she even came to my house. But I also still told her when DBF got serious about looking for a house for us, which was around the same time that she was supposed to have moved out per our verbal agreement anyway, and I told her when we’d found the one we wanted... I kept her updated through the whole process. And don’t most people take their belongings with them when they move? In fact MOST people sell their house when they buy and move to another one, don’t they? In my mind, I’ve already given her a lot of grace, just based on the fact that she didn’t have to move when I did, even though it was past the timeline we’d agreed on. And it burns me up that she dogs me out to people that don’t know what the situation really is, and paints me to be some kind of monster. I want to buy another car, need to, really. I LOVE my car, but it has some issues. I bought it new 17 years ago, and I don’t want to get rid of it, but I also know it’s time to get another one. I can technically afford a new car, but I like my cash flow as it is, and it would be a lot better if I didn’t have that other house and mortgage payment feeling like a noose around my neck. My Mom told a family member that a few hundred dollars should buy the parts for my car so I can keep driving it. WHAT IN THE ENTIRE FUCK?! I go to work even though I HATE it, I should be able to spend the money I earn however I want, without taking care of grown folks that feel entitled to the fruits of my labor. I can’t seem to respond to this thread without going on tangents, so I’ll bow out. But I do appreciate you saying it’s ok.
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Post by CCL on Jul 31, 2020 20:18:51 GMT -5
We are going to have to deal with the mobile home situation in Texas. We are going to call this weekend and see what they are going to do. Ours is an odd situation and Texas has strange homestead laws which may apply. When we speak to them this weekend, we are going to let them know the $5k deal is only good till Oct 1, if they do not take it then we will have to go the legal route. We will eventually get them out, but I think it will take a long time. The guy wanting the property is pushing, I figure its worth more but we are both satisified with what he is offering. But he wants me to sign a contract and I won't do it. I told him I won't sign it till we know we have them off. I don't want him to start pressuring us over it when we still have to get them off. We knew it was worth money, probably more then we think. Hubs said well you are leading him on. i said no I'm not, I have told him, there is no deal until its in writing. I'm not going to be pressured. I think it’s amazing in that we have gotten several offers on our undeveloped land next door. The offers are waaay under what the property is worth, even undeveloped....I think less than half of what the tax value is (which is about 60% of the appraised value). The fact he is pushing so hard means he thinks he’s getting a hell of a deal. If I were you, I’d get an appraiser out there to give you a real value of the property. Agree. The value may even go up more by the time you are actually able to sell the place. If I were you, I'd probably let that guy's calls go to voicemail. It would piss me off that he's trying to pressure me. He needs you a lot more than you need him. I'd go down and take a look at the place before I did anything, except blocking the guy's calls. There's a reason why he's being so pushy. Maybe there's something new going in that will drive property values up even more?
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jul 31, 2020 22:08:04 GMT -5
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Post by azucena on Aug 1, 2020 8:42:00 GMT -5
CG - can you use the potential buyers persistence? Can you sell to him for a decent price that you're happy with AND just let the renters "transfer" with the property so they become his problem?
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Post by Bonny on Aug 1, 2020 18:13:02 GMT -5
you're not taking over anything, your posts are entirely on-topic. it just sucks that your squatter happens to be your mom. vent away, that's what this board is here for. maybe you can get some advice from what the OP can share about her neighbor's saga. good luck! Thank you. It absolutely does suck that it’s my own Mom, of all people. Everything I’ve ever believed about family and how important it was to me to look out for my loved ones, family AND true friends, has crumbled since I’ve been in this situation. And it really does make me sad because I feel like it’s forcing me to be someone I really don’t want to be. My Mom has dogged me out to family friends and church members, in efforts to get them to do her bidding. Making me seem like the bad guy because I took all MY stuff with me when I moved, although I did leave MY bed that she sleeps on. But yes I did take MY pots and pans, MY microwave, and all MY furniture except for the bed and mattress she sleeps on. But somehow, I’m the bad guy for doing so, even though I told her that DBF and I were planning to buy a house together.... I talked about that before she even came to my house. But I also still told her when DBF got serious about looking for a house for us, which was around the same time that she was supposed to have moved out per our verbal agreement anyway, and I told her when we’d found the one we wanted... I kept her updated through the whole process. And don’t most people take their belongings with them when they move? In fact MOST people sell their house when they buy and move to another one, don’t they? In my mind, I’ve already given her a lot of grace, just based on the fact that she didn’t have to move when I did, even though it was past the timeline we’d agreed on. And it burns me up that she dogs me out to people that don’t know what the situation really is, and paints me to be some kind of monster. I want to buy another car, need to, really. I LOVE my car, but it has some issues. I bought it new 17 years ago, and I don’t want to get rid of it, but I also know it’s time to get another one. I can technically afford a new car, but I like my cash flow as it is, and it would be a lot better if I didn’t have that other house and mortgage payment feeling like a noose around my neck. My Mom told a family member that a few hundred dollars should buy the parts for my car so I can keep driving it. WHAT IN THE ENTIRE FUCK?! I go to work even though I HATE it, I should be able to spend the money I earn however I want, without taking care of grown folks that feel entitled to the fruits of my labor. I can’t seem to respond to this thread without going on tangents, so I’ll bow out. But I do appreciate you saying it’s ok. Have you given her written notice? If you're going to go the legal route then you need to start there. Research your state's rules. My guess is you probably have to give her 60 days notice. I'd use a process server, no joke. You'll have a documented delivery and she'll wake up that you mean business. FWIW the Courts have seen everything. Document your conversations and actions. Yes, some family members suck. Good luck.
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Post by bookkeeper on Aug 2, 2020 12:48:34 GMT -5
Pink, that is quite a spot Mom has engineered for both of you. Who pays the utilities at the house Mom lives in? Cable, Electric, Water. You could choose to make things less comfortable for your squatter if you are the one paying the tab. No one wants to treat their mother like this and by the same token, a mother shouldn't cause this kind of grief for a daughter. Sometimes it takes action when no one will listen to words. I have ended a few parties by pulling the main on the house electrical panel. Things get pretty boring with no electricity, just saying.
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Pink, that is quite a spot Mom has engineered for both of you. Who pays the utilities at the house Mom lives in? Cable, Electric, Water. You could choose to make things less comfortable for your squatter if you are the one paying the tab. No one wants to treat their mother like this and by the same token, a mother shouldn't cause this kind of grief for a daughter. Sometimes it takes action when no one will listen to words. I have ended a few parties by pulling the main on the house electrical panel. Things get pretty boring with no electricity, just saying. The utilities are still in my name but she pays it. I guess she DID believe me when I said I wasn’t paying it and didn’t care if it got cut off. I transferred the cable and internet service to the new house when I moved. So, she has no cable and internet. I feel like I need to keep everything I do on the up and up, because I don’t want to be accused of mistreating a senior citizen. That is why I decided to hire an attorney, to make sure I do everything right so I don’t get accused of elder abuse or whatever, given her age.
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Post by bookkeeper on Aug 2, 2020 13:18:55 GMT -5
You are on the right path with the attorney. So sorry for your situation. I am glad to hear she is paying her own utilities. Good luck, this must be very hard. In the end your actions will benefit your financial future and your mother's need for independent affordable housing. You have to put on your own oxygen mask before you can help your mom figure out her housing problem.
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You are on the right path with the attorney. So sorry for your situation. I am glad to hear she is paying her own utilities. Good luck, this must be very hard. In the end your actions will benefit your financial future and your mother's need for independent affordable housing. You have to put on your own oxygen mask before you can help your mom figure out her housing problem. Thank you. One of the things I find bizarre is that before I moved, she said she doesn’t want to live alone. Which explains some of the things she’s said and done during my lifetime. But treating people like your personal servant and maid, trying to bully them, and take advantage financially, doesn’t make anyone want to live with you. Truth be told, if she’d just acted half-way right, I would’ve brought her with me when I moved. But living with her was just way too stressful and made me way too miserable, for me to ever do it again. She doesn’t respect me as an adult and thinks I don’t get to tell her what to do because she’s my Mom, not even in my own house. Because she’s my Mom, whatever is mine, is also hers to do with as she pleases. Where they do that at? I love her, but she’s definitely something different.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Aug 2, 2020 19:16:13 GMT -5
I had issues with mom, she moved in with us for awhile and she was wanting things the way she wanted it.
She thought I was going to run her around after work, go out to eat all the time, etc. I had a daughter and husband. She was also half blind. got glaucoma, tried to hide it I think, I got it stopped when I brought her down and dealt with surgeries for a year. But it was to far gone to restore, when she could no longer drive I was going to be her chauffer. We couldn't go anywhere, do anything. Hubs quit going to dinner with us when she almost fell over a table. And DD and I could not go to a theater, she could not see to get in and out, just nothing much. This was years ago when we were very active.
One day I was at work and she was in the bathtub, maybe all day and couldn't figure how to get out. There were other issues. We dealt with it for a year, hubs finally said you need to do something, I was working, taking care of house, taking care of DD, taking care of her. I had to quit my job. But I got her in assisted living. Still a lot of work but some better.
I hope I am not a demanding parent when I get to where I cannot do on my own. But then son is far enough away don't think it would work anyway. LOL!
I feel for you PC, you have to do something and yeah everyone will make you feel bad. Just do what you have to. She can find senior citizen housing. I put mom on a list and moved her prior to that into senior housing, she was there for 5 years, she was NOT happy. But she could no longer live alone. It was a long process, watching and dealing with her decline.
But mom had enough money to take care of herself till the last year or so, so that made a big difference.
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Post by gs11rmb on Aug 3, 2020 9:24:02 GMT -5
@pinkcshmere has your mom always had this sort of attitude? I'm wondering if she has some form of dementia/mental decline that's contributing to her behaviour. Not that that would make the situation better but might make it easier for your to deal with emotionally if she's not acting like she would have done in earlier years.
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@pinkcshmere has your mom always had this sort of attitude? I'm wondering if she has some form of dementia/mental decline that's contributing to her behaviour. Not that that would make the situation better but might make it easier for your to deal with emotionally if she's not acting like she would have done in earlier years. Yes, my Mom has always been like this. This is just the first time I’ve had to deal with it to this degree. My Grandmother use to clean up her messes, but she died several years ago. I understand what you mean, but my Mom knows exactly what she’s doing. This is a pattern of behavior I’ve watched her play out with other people since I was a child. It’s been hard to accept that my Mom would knowingly manipulate and use me and not even care about how it affects me, which was made clear after she came to my house. Accepting that hurts and makes me sad and angry. I love my Mom and I don’t want to be angry with her. But angry, I am.
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Post by gacpa on Aug 3, 2020 12:02:02 GMT -5
Yep, finally woke up and realized I did not have to let my mother hurt me. I did not have to react to every painful thing she has done. What a relief to not have to be upset all the time and I wish I had only figured it out sooner. Took me years upon years to learn not to let her upset me, but I finally made it.
I am sorry your mom is being this way PC. Be strong, and keep enjoying your life as much as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 14:58:01 GMT -5
Yep, finally woke up and realized I did not have to let my mother hurt me. I did not have to react to every painful thing she has done. What a relief to not have to be upset all the time and I wish I had only figured it out sooner. Took me years upon years to learn not to let her upset me, but I finally made it.
I am sorry your mom is being this way PC. Be strong, and keep enjoying your life as much as possible.
It’s so confusing with my Mom though, because I know that if I call her right now and said I need $50, if she only had $10 to her name, she would tell me to come get it. It’s like she’s 2 people rolled up in 1. And the thing I need her to do the most, she won’t which is take responsibility for herself and her life. Anyway, I’m glad you finally got to a place where your Mom can no longer upset you like she use to. Thank you. And I’m trying to do exactly what you advised.
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Post by bookkeeper on Aug 3, 2020 15:16:02 GMT -5
Might be worth a phone call or two to make sure Mom is current with bills in your name. With Covid, many utilities suspended disconnections. In one of my utility bills that came in the mail today, the utility had a flyer that they are going to resume shut offs and disconnections. Some utilities will let you get $500 or $600 or more in the red before they disconnect you. I would hate to see your Mom dig an even deeper hole for you to work out of. Trust but verify.
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Post by buystoys on Aug 4, 2020 7:47:05 GMT -5
The squatters are out, but they left a mess for T to clean up. They had an accident in their SUV and had it hauled back to the trailer to sell parts off of it. Of course, they didn't haul it off yesterday. They just left it. You can see at least 10 bags of garbage left on the lawn. Who knows what additional damage they did to the interior of the house. T will have to document it all and have the SUV hauled away. What a mess! He's doing the paperwork to take the squatters back to court to get reimbursed for his costs to rehab the place. Hopefully he'll actually get some money from them.
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Post by buystoys on Aug 4, 2020 7:47:52 GMT -5
@pinkcshmere, I'm so sorry you have such a mess with your mom. You have all my sympathy and wishes for a good outcome.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Aug 4, 2020 8:52:37 GMT -5
The squatters are out, but they left a mess for T to clean up. They had an accident in their SUV and had it hauled back to the trailer to sell parts off of it. Of course, they didn't haul it off yesterday. They just left it. You can see at least 10 bags of garbage left on the lawn. Who knows what additional damage they did to the interior of the house. T will have to document it all and have the SUV hauled away. What a mess! He's doing the paperwork to take the squatters back to court to get reimbursed for his costs to rehab the place. Hopefully he'll actually get some money from them.
I wasn't clear if they were working at all? Seems they have no assets.
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Post by buystoys on Aug 5, 2020 6:45:02 GMT -5
The squatters are out, but they left a mess for T to clean up. They had an accident in their SUV and had it hauled back to the trailer to sell parts off of it. Of course, they didn't haul it off yesterday. They just left it. You can see at least 10 bags of garbage left on the lawn. Who knows what additional damage they did to the interior of the house. T will have to document it all and have the SUV hauled away. What a mess! He's doing the paperwork to take the squatters back to court to get reimbursed for his costs to rehab the place. Hopefully he'll actually get some money from them.
I wasn't clear if they were working at all? Seems they have no assets. I think the guy works, but I'm not certain. He's gone for several hours during the day. Of course, he could be working under the table. Either way, if T gets a settlement, any wages can be garnished.
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Post by Bonny on Aug 5, 2020 9:32:08 GMT -5
I wasn't clear if they were working at all? Seems they have no assets. I think the guy works, but I'm not certain. He's gone for several hours during the day. Of course, he could be working under the table. Either way, if T gets a settlement, any wages can be garnished. As well as any bank accts. Your friend should follow through with recording a lien with the county. The deadbeats can always file for BK and get the debt discharged but there's always a chance that they get their act together, get a real job and want to get a loan. The lien will show up on their credit report and most lenders won't lend until that debt is satisfied. Even more remote, but still possible is the deadbeats inherit some money/get some kind of windfall and actually pay off the debt. Worth a try.
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Post by tskeeter on Aug 6, 2020 1:07:01 GMT -5
The squatters are out, but they left a mess for T to clean up. They had an accident in their SUV and had it hauled back to the trailer to sell parts off of it. Of course, they didn't haul it off yesterday. They just left it. You can see at least 10 bags of garbage left on the lawn. Who knows what additional damage they did to the interior of the house. T will have to document it all and have the SUV hauled away. What a mess! He's doing the paperwork to take the squatters back to court to get reimbursed for his costs to rehab the place. Hopefully he'll actually get some money from them.
The SUV has some value. T can probably get it hauled away for free by a wrecking yard that will remove any salable parts and crush what’s left. In particular, catalytic converters and air bags are worth a fair amount of money.
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Post by bookkeeper on Aug 6, 2020 8:00:56 GMT -5
The squatters are out, but they left a mess for T to clean up. They had an accident in their SUV and had it hauled back to the trailer to sell parts off of it. Of course, they didn't haul it off yesterday. They just left it. You can see at least 10 bags of garbage left on the lawn. Who knows what additional damage they did to the interior of the house. T will have to document it all and have the SUV hauled away. What a mess! He's doing the paperwork to take the squatters back to court to get reimbursed for his costs to rehab the place. Hopefully he'll actually get some money from them.
The SUV has some value. T can probably get it hauled away for free by a wrecking yard that will remove any salable parts and crush what’s left. In particular, catalytic converters and air bags are worth a fair amount of money. I think you need to have the car title in hand before any salvage yard would be interested. Selling parts off on Craigslist would be a different matter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 8:20:47 GMT -5
I had an interesting conversation with one of my neighbors that has over 100 properties. Since MN put the eviction ban in place all his tenants that were not great at paying before have just quit entirely. Hearing his stories just cements my belief that I would be a sucky landlord. My blood was just boiling hearing some of that stuff.
And now they have extended the ban "until the end of the pandemic" WTF? That could be a loooong time.
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Post by haapai on Aug 6, 2020 9:19:29 GMT -5
Two duplexes on the street next to mine went on sale last week. To the best of my knowledge, both are owned by the same relatively small landlord. All four units are currently occupied and evictions are possible in the state. I've got no idea whether the owners are getting out of the business due to age or whether they are attempting to sell some properties in order to keep current on the rest. I also have no idea whether any of the units is not paying rent. It may have been the expiration of supplementary unemployment benefits that triggered the signs going up.
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Post by bean29 on Aug 6, 2020 9:34:33 GMT -5
I had an interesting conversation with one of my neighbors that has over 100 properties. Since MN put the eviction ban in place all his tenants that were not great at paying before have just quit entirely. Hearing his stories just cements my belief that I would be a sucky landlord. My blood was just boiling hearing some of that stuff.
And now they have extended the ban "until the end of the pandemic" WTF? That could be a loooong time.
People that are not "great" at paying rent are usually judgment proof - meaning their credit is trashed anyways, so they have little to lose by not paying rent. They are just forcing landlords to shoulder a loss many can not afford. They should be providing $$ to landlords to cover the unpaid rent then. My in-laws made the mistake of letting two of my BIL's live in their duplex. Their are two units. BIL J and his adult daughter with a 3 year old live in one, and another BIL T lives in the other. T has not paid rent in about a year. Last year, the utilities were cut off, so DH put them in his name and has been paying them. MIL told me the other day that BIL J only pays a 1/3 of the water bill. WTF, there are only two units. DH told brother J that he and his daughter can live in our rental - which DH has been taking his sweet time getting ready. It has been vacant again for about 2 years b/c DH has to do everything himself. MIL was telling me yesterday we should just sell ours. DH mentioned maybe we should sell ours and buy MIL's. There are issues with either scenario - but maybe we should. MIL says J's dd is a problem. MIL does not like her at all (BIL and his DD lived with MIL when the daughter was a teen). Anyways J will pay the rent. DH told him he has to put all the utilities in his name if he rents from us, but maybe we should sell ours b/c it is all fixed up. The one issue is that DH filled in some windows without a permit, and built an extra bedroom in the lower. I just am not sure DH can really get his deadbeat brother T out of the lower in MIL's duplex- DH says he is just going to throw him out, he doesn't care what the law says.
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