Please Drive in Right Hand Lanes

[djAdvocate]

Jul 4, 2020 1:07:17 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jul 4, 2020 0:26:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

seatbelts are a better analogy, except they protect you more than me.

condoms are better still, but there are "other reasons" for wearing them.

Neither of those are legitimately made mandatory by state action either.  It IS a legitimate function of government to protect against outside threat.  That does not exist with seatbelt laws.  It is not a legitimate function of government to attempt to protect me from myself.  It may be beneficial for me to protect myself by wearing a seatbelt, but that choice rightfully belongs to me.  Government should not be able to compel an action that affects no one other than the individual.  Condom use is also not a matter for government.  I will of course stipulate that either (or any) individual party in any proposed interaction absolutely has the right to require use as a condition of participation, but there is no role for the state in mandating use.  

my point was not to rank those things, but to suggest better analogies.

there really is no perfect analogy to this situation.  vaccinations come close.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 13, 2020 11:53:10 GMT -5 @x said:

Jul 4, 2020 1:07:17 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Neither of those are legitimately made mandatory by state action either.  It IS a legitimate function of government to protect against outside threat.  That does not exist with seatbelt laws.  It is not a legitimate function of government to attempt to protect me from myself.  It may be beneficial for me to protect myself by wearing a seatbelt, but that choice rightfully belongs to me.  Government should not be able to compel an action that affects no one other than the individual.  Condom use is also not a matter for government.  I will of course stipulate that either (or any) individual party in any proposed interaction absolutely has the right to require use as a condition of participation, but there is no role for the state in mandating use.  

I read all your posts on this thread. 

Expect a claim of socialized medical expense, over a claim of more self responsibility, after this most recent post. 

That slow creep to socialism, exuding the normality of control.

Astute observations on blurring the lines.

those arguments are never made by liberals. 

I agree with tg's analysis, actually.  but I am a libertarian.  I want as much freedom as I can get.  but not at the expense of others. 

[djAdvocate]

Jul 13, 2020 12:19:06 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 13, 2020 12:04:33 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

If you can insure yourself against any catastrophe, do what you want. Once you start to expect others to cover some of your expenses, then they hava a say in your behaviour. Seems fair, doesn't it?

The other part of it is that people need to understand that there is absolutely no requirement that you wear a seat belt. None. Zero. Stay off of public funded roads and be free.

exactly. and if you don't want to wear a mask, stay at home in a closet, or out in the woods by yourself.

be free.