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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 24, 2020 8:52:19 GMT -5
A bunch of our extended family was going back to life as normal. And now they're home with fevers waiting on test results. Worst part though is it won't change anything regardless if they have it or not. oh my gosh! I'm so sorry. Best wishes for them.
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Post by nidena on Jun 24, 2020 9:29:48 GMT -5
If how it's been the past couple of weeks is how it's going to be the next few months, I wouldn't be able to sustain my behavior that long. I can't stay cooped up in two rooms and, thankfully, with the house closing in a couple weeks, I won't have to. But I also can't sustain not having someone to hug indefinitely. That being said, I had a lunch date on Sunday and things are looking well. First date since Dec 2018. It's easier to not date when you're working two jobs and getting a house ready to move. At least I was busy. There is no way I could maintain never talking to someone in person for another year.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jun 24, 2020 9:33:18 GMT -5
I hate shopping, yet I miss shopping. I hate running around getting the kids to and from school and activities, yet I miss it. I hate driving 35 miles each way to the office, yet I miss it. I hate not seeing that much of my kids, yet I miss my break from them. I think you catch my drift.
During the years I was stuck caring for my mother, our income was cut below our minimum spend for our family. We weren't able to go on vacations, because my siblings weren't willing to step up to even give me that much of a break. It was still okay, because I had a stash of cash to rely on to bridge the gap. It still sucked watching every penny. We still spent on activities for the kids, and I found a few free ones. Now with the shutdowns, here are the free activities we used to enjoy that are also shutdown:
Home depot kids projects once a month Saturday kids cooking classes in the summer Several festivals with free entry days and free bounce houses/games/face-painting for the kids Movies on the local ballfield Concerts in the park
We now have a little bit of new free stuff, as parents are getting kids together casually for baseball and soccer. I know it's not the best idea, but preferable to the alternative of murdering my kids. They used to get along better, but are often at each other's throats and generally need to burn more energy than they are inclined to do on their own. I'm the one most inclined in my household to get sick from covid19, and I guess I'm choosing to risk it for my sanity. We're still staying away from indoor activities/places, and family. I'm home from work 100%.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 24, 2020 9:59:38 GMT -5
Trump packed the Mega Church today with young Republicans, who were not wearing masks. This is insanity in the state which is the US Covid hot spot, with 3,600 additional new cases just today. All of Canada had 300 new cases today, with a population of 37.5 million, vs Arizona's 7.3 million. You are so screwed. You have a leader who is deliberately spreading it around. globalnews.ca/news/7100253/trump-arizona-rally/But but God will protect them! They are really owning the libs by being out there with no masks. Take that libs. That'll learn ya! 🤺
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 24, 2020 10:03:14 GMT -5
Pulmonary the striking difference I see is HongKong and NYC with relatively few cases in HK. Both large very crowded cities with public transportation and some poverty. Difference might be Asian culture familiar with wearing masks and maybe some immunity from the 2003 SARs. But the difference is striking especially since proximity of HK to China. What country do you think handled this well? NZ is very low but the population is so small and rural. SK again is Asian country with comfortable mask use and 2003 SARs exposure. Their tracing was/is fabulous but I can’t see US population agreeing to ‘invasion of privacy’ by government ability to access smart phones and CCs. China again although problems has very aggressive non voluntary system of tracking and even not allowing access to transit and stores without phone app health ok. Again not seeing how this could be used in any but a totalitarian system. So - what country in your opinion has handled the pandemic well? What was done and is being done? Could this be transferred to US population? We already know what you think is amiss in the US but I’m really wondering about successful or less bad approaches I haven't seen anything indicating that sars provided any immunity. They're both coronaviruses but very different types, covid 19. Have you seen something different? What I heard is that they learned a lot on how to deal with an epidemic during SARS. On both a macro/society level and on a micro/individual level. Masks, good hand washing, not touching your face - apparently the newness of those things are just too much to learn/start at once. Maybe the next Pandemic, Americans will be ready.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 10:09:06 GMT -5
Churches that host political rallies should immediately lose their tax-exempt status.
Presidents who hold rallies during a pandemic should be charged with mass murder. He's killing people and knows it. Not testing and reducing testing is mass murder. Maybe he's trying to beat Hitler's death numbers and "be best".
Until this country starts acting like we have a deadly, contagious pandemic, everyone's lives are going to be upended and it's going to go on and on. And, it seems the US has many entitlement issues other countries don't have. Until or unless this changes in a major way, this will keep dragging on and on and on and it's a proven fact it will be worse for our economy as well.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 24, 2020 12:12:43 GMT -5
Churches that host political rallies should immediately lose their tax-exempt status. I strongly agree. I could just get rid of the tax exemption for all regular operations of churches. They need to prove a real charitable service and we will exempt those dollars.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 24, 2020 21:04:38 GMT -5
President Donald Trump will not abide by a new travel advisory in New Jersey requiring a quarantine period for visitors from coronavirus hotspots when he visits his Bedminster golf club this weekend. "The President of the United States is not a civilian . Anyone who is in close proximity to him, including staff, guests, and press are tested for COVID-19 and confirmed to be negative," White House spokesman Judd Deere said in a statement. www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/politics/trump-new-jersey-coronavirus-quarantine/index.htmlBut wait! Didn't Trump say there's already too much testing? I guess the "too much testing" only applies to the ordinary Americans. He really doesn't care if the rest of you die.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 25, 2020 6:41:20 GMT -5
Also, DH and I had a pretty serious discussion tonight about moving to another country, probably Mexico. I know you also mentioned Germany as a possibility. Do you have family or other ties to these countries? Wondered how you picked them? What thoughts did you and DH have about the potential move, and how did those relate to adjusting C-19 perspectives? Not covid-related, but I have thought about picking up and going to a country with a LCOL and easy lifestyle, I know I would love for it for 6 months - but not sure about the long haul.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 25, 2020 7:22:33 GMT -5
President Donald Trump will not abide by a new travel advisory in New Jersey requiring a quarantine period for visitors from coronavirus hotspots when he visits his Bedminster golf club this weekend. "The President of the United States is not a civilian . Anyone who is in close proximity to him, including staff, guests, and press are tested for COVID-19 and confirmed to be negative," White House spokesman Judd Deere said in a statement. www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/politics/trump-new-jersey-coronavirus-quarantine/index.htmlBut wait! Didn't Trump say there's already too much testing? I guess the "too much testing" only applies to the ordinary Americans. He really doesn't care if the rest of you die. Can't states refuse to host the president? I know it costs them a pretty penny due to all the security requirements and it's not like most states are swimming in it right now. That would be an easy reason to refuse to host him.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 25, 2020 7:47:35 GMT -5
President Donald Trump will not abide by a new travel advisory in New Jersey requiring a quarantine period for visitors from coronavirus hotspots when he visits his Bedminster golf club this weekend. "The President of the United States is not a civilian . Anyone who is in close proximity to him, including staff, guests, and press are tested for COVID-19 and confirmed to be negative," White House spokesman Judd Deere said in a statement. www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/politics/trump-new-jersey-coronavirus-quarantine/index.htmlBut wait! Didn't Trump say there's already too much testing? I guess the "too much testing" only applies to the ordinary Americans. He really doesn't care if the rest of you die. Can't states refuse to host the president? I know it costs them a pretty penny due to all the security requirements and it's not like most states are swimming in it right now. That would be an easy reason to refuse to host him. trump seems to have no problem calling out the National Guard and other U.S. military troops. They could take over the organizing and protection of trump's 'Love Me. But The Hell With Your Health' rallies and other'Look At Me' picture ops.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jun 25, 2020 8:20:52 GMT -5
People from Florida or other states with increasing Covid numbers can travel to NJ. But 14 day quarantine is required, or if in nj less than 14 days then can leave. Is Washington DC on list of quarantined? Think not Although think he has been in Arizona for rally but not traveling directly to NJ. So ?? The trump golf course is pretty isolated but has employees from area. Could he go there no problem if no contact with nj employees ?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 25, 2020 8:54:31 GMT -5
People from Florida or other states with increasing Covid numbers can travel to NJ. But 14 day quarantine is required, or if in nj less than 14 days then can leave. Is Washington DC on list of quarantined? Think not Although think he has been in Arizona for rally but not traveling directly to NJ. So ?? The trump golf course is pretty isolated but has employees from area. Could he go there no problem if no contact with nj employees ? If he was exposed, he was exposed. Doesn’t matter where he goes(or exposes) in the interim. If it was less than 14 days from the time of exposure, he needs to quarantine. The laws of virus transmission apply to the president as well as to joe smith. Maybe doubly so for him as he takes it differently. If he is tested before as anyone else is required, then he doesn’t need to quarantine. So, no one exposed to trump or who traveled with trump will interact with nj residents. How naive can you be
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 9:17:20 GMT -5
Also, DH and I had a pretty serious discussion tonight about moving to another country, probably Mexico. I know you also mentioned Germany as a possibility. Do you have family or other ties to these countries? Wondered how you picked them? What thoughts did you and DH have about the potential move, and how did those relate to adjusting C-19 perspectives? Not covid-related, but I have thought about picking up and going to a country with a LCOL and easy lifestyle, I know I would love for it for 6 months - but not sure about the long haul. No, I have no known family (although Ancestry.com tells me I have many 3rd and 4th cousins around the world) and DH has only a few aging cousins in other cities and states. I lived in Mexico as a child and have visited as an adult. I like the culture a lot. We've visited Germany several times and greatly admire their lifestyles. DH really would like to live in Japan where he lived as a child, but I'm not sure about that personally. We have no particular allegiances to any one area here or abroad. We've thought about relocating for years. Moving anywhere would be a huge hassle and part of our thought process is that it's not much worse leaving the country. We do NOT favor a rural or small town lifestyle so would seek a mid-size city. The simple reality of a pandemic stretching out over a year makes us hyper conscious of our mortality and the need to make the absolute best of the time we have left in life. Given that our city is making national headlines with predictions of being the epicenter of an outbreak larger than any others, I'm afraid it's a moot point now.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jun 25, 2020 9:28:33 GMT -5
People from Florida or other states with increasing Covid numbers can travel to NJ. But 14 day quarantine is required, or if in nj less than 14 days then can leave. Is Washington DC on list of quarantined? Think not Although think he has been in Arizona for rally but not traveling directly to NJ. So ?? The trump golf course is pretty isolated but has employees from area. Could he go there no problem if no contact with nj employees ? If he was exposed, he was exposed. Doesn’t matter where he goes(or exposes) in the interim. If it was less than 14 days from the time of exposure, he needs to quarantine. The laws of virus transmission apply to the president as well as to joe smith. Maybe doubly so for him as he takes it differently. If he is tested before as anyone else is required, then he doesn’t need to quarantine. So, no one exposed to trump or who traveled with trump will interact with nj residents. How naive can you be PLEase read again- it was a question or hypothetical situation
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Post by emma1420 on Jun 25, 2020 10:08:03 GMT -5
The only country I'd move to right now if it was an option is New Zealand.
It's gorgeous (albeit expensive), and they've stamped out the virus to the point where they don't have to socially distance.
I think the isolation is hard, and I work in an industry where we are seeing some companies lay off 50-80% off their work forces. Personally, I find it very stressful knowing that my healthcare is tied to my job, especially in the middle of a pandemic.
Honestly, I think if this time next year there is no real end in sight then I will move back to England. I mean they've done a shitty job there as well in terms of controlling the virus, but at least healthcare is free and not tied to a job.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 25, 2020 10:16:44 GMT -5
If he was exposed, he was exposed. Doesn’t matter where he goes(or exposes) in the interim. If it was less than 14 days from the time of exposure, he needs to quarantine. The laws of virus transmission apply to the president as well as to joe smith. Maybe doubly so for him as he takes it differently. If he is tested before as anyone else is required, then he doesn’t need to quarantine. So, no one exposed to trump or who traveled with trump will interact with nj residents. How naive can you be PLEase read again- it was a question or hypothetical situation And the answer is based on reality. He was in AZ. So, based on the new guidelines, he would need to either be tested or quarantine for 14 days from exposure. It is that simple In addition, everyone in his entourage would require the same. And there is no way that his entourage doesn’t interact with some citizen of NJ. So that is the answer to your hypothetical.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 25, 2020 13:09:29 GMT -5
PLEase read again- it was a question or hypothetical situation And the answer is based on reality. He was in AZ. So, based on the new guidelines, he would need to either be tested or quarantine for 14 days from exposure. It is that simple In addition, everyone in his entourage would require the same. And there is no way that his entourage doesn’t interact with some citizen of NJ. So that is the answer to your hypothetical. He is probably being tested every day, or every other day. They are testing people around him frequently.
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Post by haapai on Jun 25, 2020 13:40:56 GMT -5
The only country I'd move to right now if it was an option is New Zealand. It's gorgeous (albeit expensive), and they've stamped out the virus to the point where they don't have to socially distance. I think the isolation is hard, and I work in an industry where we are seeing some companies lay off 50-80% off their work forces. Personally, I find it very stressful knowing that my healthcare is tied to my job, especially in the middle of a pandemic. Honestly, I think if this time next year there is no real end in sight then I will move back to England. I mean they've done a shitty job there as well in terms of controlling the virus, but at least healthcare is free and not tied to a job. I hear you. Having your healthcare tied to your job leaves you in a pretty shitty bargaining position during an epidemic. You know that you need health insurance during an epidemic. You probably have limited ability to pay COBRA out of pocket. So you stay on the job no matter what. In March, we had absolutely no plexiglass shielding, no Purell, and weren't allowed to wear face masks. I felt a bit disposable during those weeks. Actually, the word that came to mind is a little more loaded.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 25, 2020 15:29:53 GMT -5
And the answer is based on reality. He was in AZ. So, based on the new guidelines, he would need to either be tested or quarantine for 14 days from exposure. It is that simple In addition, everyone in his entourage would require the same. And there is no way that his entourage doesn’t interact with some citizen of NJ. So that is the answer to your hypothetical. He is probably being tested every day, or every other day. They are testing people around him frequently. True, so he would fit the guidelines then, as would everyone around him if they were recently tested. But the guidelines apply to them too. States rights, isn’t that what republicans believe, trump said he would leave the decisions regarding Covid to the states. So he needs to follow their riles
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Post by jerseygirl on Jun 26, 2020 11:38:11 GMT -5
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Post by jerseygirl on Jun 26, 2020 11:41:36 GMT -5
He is probably being tested every day, or every other day. They are testing people around him frequently. True, so he would fit the guidelines then, as would everyone around him if they were recently tested. But the guidelines apply to them too. States rights, isn’t that what republicans believe, trump said he would leave the decisions regarding Covid to the states. So he needs to follow their riles Gov Murphy just announced he’s ok with Trump visit
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Post by jerseygirl on Jun 26, 2020 11:58:01 GMT -5
Really interesting thread with graphs of Covid in different countries. US seems to differ but not if looking at sections instead of entire country. Similar pattern seen - peak then falls pretty similar to rise perhaps due to behavioral changes t.co/G5P7aO4dk5?amp=1
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 26, 2020 12:01:22 GMT -5
True, so he would fit the guidelines then, as would everyone around him if they were recently tested. But the guidelines apply to them too. States rights, isn’t that what republicans believe, trump said he would leave the decisions regarding Covid to the states. So he needs to follow their riles Gov Murphy just announced he’s ok with Trump visit Trump should have to meet the guidelines as should his entourage. If they meet the guidelines, I have no issue with it. If they don't , then I do. Not singling him out, but if we want to ever control this pandemic, then we need to follow what is put into place. I follow the rules at my place of employment and what my governor has set aside. He should do, if only to set a positive example. Is he going to wear a mask? No, because he is too special, but if he would, it would go a long way to improving conditions in this country. I believe there is a mask requirement in NJ, correct?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 26, 2020 12:04:38 GMT -5
What are their infection rates compared to ours. They didn't reopen until they had the virus under control. Germany currently has an R of<1. The hard hit areas of our country have not fully reopened yet, and appear to have numbers similar to Europe, but the rest of our country is a disaster. We will have to see where the infections wind up once they open up, but they are starting from a much lower baseline than we are
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Post by jerseygirl on Jun 26, 2020 12:12:52 GMT -5
What are their infection rates compared to ours. They didn't reopen until they had the virus under control. Germany currently has an R of<1. The hard hit areas of our country have not fully reopened yet, and appear to have numbers similar to Europe, but the rest of our country is a disaster. We will have to see where the infections wind up once they open up, but they are starting from a much lower baseline than we are Look at the graphics I posted on US entire country then treating US sections as ‘separate countries’ The post on European raves just shows young people pretty similar to US young people Not too many countries/states/cities coping well with exceptions being some Asian countries and isolated like NZ Tahiti Hawaii I shudder to look at poor countries like India and Brazil
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 26, 2020 12:17:24 GMT -5
What are their infection rates compared to ours. They didn't reopen until they had the virus under control. Germany currently has an R of<1. The hard hit areas of our country have not fully reopened yet, and appear to have numbers similar to Europe, but the rest of our country is a disaster. We will have to see where the infections wind up once they open up, but they are starting from a much lower baseline than we are Look at the graphics I posted on US entire country then treating US sections as ‘separate countries’ The post on European raves just shows young people pretty similar to US young people And again, look at their baseline, what the young people are doing is not a good idea, but given their starting point, they are in a better position than we are if infections increase, and they are willing to do what needs to be done. The different rates in different regions of the US is all well and good, but unless we restrict travel to those different regions, we are still in a high risk situation. And the areas where it is exploding are still not taking it serious enough. If this doesn't calm down soon, what do you think happens when colleges open up and sports start?
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 26, 2020 12:17:31 GMT -5
Really interesting thread with graphs of Covid in different countries. US seems to differ but not if looking at sections instead of entire country. Similar pattern seen - peak then falls pretty similar to rise perhaps due to behavioral changes t.co/G5P7aO4dk5?amp=1The US is hard to compare. We are so large, so unevenly spread out and have so many people. Comparing the entire US to (say) Germany is difficult. But California, Texas, Florida and Arizona are all a mess right now. Like it or not, we are your fellow Americans, and it matters.
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