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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jun 22, 2020 19:07:46 GMT -5
This maybe belongs under sports, but given the climate, maybe it belongs here. Not sure, but the mods can move it as they see fit, no argument from me. A noose was found in Bubba Wallace's garage stall at Talladega Superspeedway Sunday afternoon, NASCAR announced. Wallace is NASCAR's only black full-time driver and recently led the push to ban the Confederate flag from NASCAR events...
Anger and outraged beyond belief and it's hardly enough of a reaction at this point. You dirty, despicable and downright deranged little monster. The worst part of this: it was likely done by a track or NASCAR insider, since fans were strictly limited in number and nowhere near the garage area.
And you pissed off the car owner, King Richard Petty. Hell will come down on your sorry head just for that massive mistake, you racist slimeball. But to leave a symbol of murderous hatred like that after everything that has happened -- I hope you die a slow, painful and airless death.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 22, 2020 19:31:15 GMT -5
Nice display of NASCAR solidarity for Bubba Wallace today.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 22, 2020 19:39:35 GMT -5
politics or Current Events would be fine. I heard about this, and saw today's aftermath in support of Bubba. my sister said that the noose was left AFTER crews were locked out of garages (to prevent crews from illegally modding cars). this is so far beyond not okay.
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Post by busymom on Jun 22, 2020 19:45:59 GMT -5
Seriously, what is wrong with people these days? I thought a lot of that type of racism was dead & gone. Unbelievable how vile some people actually are in real life.
Probably some butthurt idiot with a confederate flag hiding in his garage at home.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 22, 2020 19:57:32 GMT -5
Seriously, what is wrong with people these days? I thought a lot of that type of racism was dead & gone. Unbelievable how vile some people actually are in real life. Probably some butthurt idiot with a confederate flag hiding in his garage at home. they are making a compelling case for putting all confederate monuments in things akin to a holocaust museum.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 22, 2020 21:39:41 GMT -5
Seriously, what is wrong with people these days? I thought a lot of that type of racism was dead & gone. Unbelievable how vile some people actually are in real life. Probably some butthurt idiot with a confederate flag hiding in his garage at home. You need to spend some time down here "among them". It's not dead & gone, it's just been behind closed doors until DT got into the WH & made it ok to put out in the open once again. And in case anyone doesn't know...the KKK is alive & well in EVERY STATE in the US. Some chapters are more open than others.
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Post by busymom on Jun 22, 2020 21:44:23 GMT -5
Seriously, what is wrong with people these days? I thought a lot of that type of racism was dead & gone. Unbelievable how vile some people actually are in real life. Probably some butthurt idiot with a confederate flag hiding in his garage at home. You need to spend some time down here "among them". It's not dead & gone, it's just been behind closed doors until DT got into the WH & made it ok to put out in the open once again. And in case anyone doesn't know...the KKK is alive & well in EVERY STATE in the US. Some chapters are more open than others. I did spend time living "down South" until recently. And yes, sadly, it IS worse in the South than it is "up North". Unfortunately, we have some of it here, too.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 22, 2020 21:52:08 GMT -5
You need to spend some time down here "among them". It's not dead & gone, it's just been behind closed doors until DT got into the WH & made it ok to put out in the open once again. And in case anyone doesn't know...the KKK is alive & well in EVERY STATE in the US. Some chapters are more open than others. I did spend time living "down South" until recently. And yes, sadly, it IS worse in the South than it is "up North". Unfortunately, we have some of it here, too. Yep, I was born/raised in central Ill. So I know what it was like back in the 50's & 60's & part of the 70's there. I also spent some time in Ca. & saw how some of the Native Americans were treated there. There is racism throughout this country...some hidden, some not....and has been since I've been big enough to understand it. When I was maybe 6 or 7 my Dad & I were in town & walking down an ally (short cut) to our favorite burger joint. I remember asking Dad why there was a drinking fountain on the outside of the building that had a sign, "Negros Only". I can still see that in my mind...it has stayed with me all these years.
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Post by dondub on Jun 22, 2020 22:16:19 GMT -5
Seriously, what is wrong with people these days? I thought a lot of that type of racism was dead & gone. Unbelievable how vile some people actually are in real life. Probably some butthurt idiot with a confederate flag hiding in his garage at home. they are making a compelling case for putting all confederate monuments in things akin to a holocaust museum. Or metal recycling facilities. Why we have been honoring traitors that supported slavery is beyond me. We even have some stupid Jefferson Davis park in Western Washington of all places.😡
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Post by busymom on Jun 22, 2020 22:26:55 GMT -5
I did spend time living "down South" until recently. And yes, sadly, it IS worse in the South than it is "up North". Unfortunately, we have some of it here, too. Yep, I was born/raised in central Ill. So I know what it was like back in the 50's & 60's & part of the 70's there. I also spent some time in Ca. & saw how some of the Native Americans were treated there. There is racism throughout this country...some hidden, some not....and has been since I've been big enough to understand it. When I was maybe 6 or 7 my Dad & I were in town & walking down an ally (short cut) to our favorite burger joint. I remember asking Dad why there was a drinking fountain on the outside of the building that had a sign, "Negros Only". I can still see that in my mind...it has stayed with me all these years. I was raised a city girl. You don't sass anyone you don't know. I was absolutely floored, when in the South, at the people who would shout at complete strangers to "go back where you came from". WTE? If someone had said something that stupid in my old neighborhood, they'd have been picking up their teeth off the sidewalk. Or, if the person they'd insulted didn't hit them, some of their friends would be out looking for the trouble-maker later. Talk about entitled idiots!
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 22, 2020 22:47:12 GMT -5
Nascar bans Confederate flag. It is about fucking time. They allowed this culture and gave these racists assholes a home for decades. And now everyone is so shocked that someone is so pissed about it, they did the most pathetically small-dicked thing they could think of - a noose for the only black guy involved. I guess better late than never.
Someone flew a "white lives matter" banner over a soccer game in Burnley England today. At least it isn't just Americans that are infected foreskins. What is wrong with humans??!!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 22, 2020 23:22:57 GMT -5
they are making a compelling case for putting all confederate monuments in things akin to a holocaust museum. Or metal recycling facilities. Why we have been honoring traitors that supported slavery is beyond me. We even have some stupid Jefferson Davis park in Western Washington of all places.😡 the Washington Rednecks not many folks know what it is like out there near Spokane
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Post by dondub on Jun 23, 2020 0:40:29 GMT -5
Or metal recycling facilities. Why we have been honoring traitors that supported slavery is beyond me. We even have some stupid Jefferson Davis park in Western Washington of all places.😡 the Washington Rednecks not many folks know what it is like out there near Spokane
Well this private Jefferson Davis park can be seen from I-5 down south of Seattle. The Spokane area features Spokane Valley, one of those redneck joints, repped by this Shea guy that put out the holy warrior pamphlet. He pushes the state called Liberty. A real rightwing religious nut. A real Trump enclave there east of Spokane.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 23, 2020 1:08:18 GMT -5
the Washington Rednecks not many folks know what it is like out there near Spokane
Well this private Jefferson Davis park can be seen from I-5 down south of Seattle. The Spokane area features Spokane Valley, one of those redneck joints, repped by this She’s guy that put out the holy warrior pamphlet. He pushes the state called Liberty. A real rightwing religious nut. A real Trump enclave there east of Spokane. There is a reason I almost never go east of the mountains. And even at that I pretty much only drive through. A couple trips to Yellowstone and other parks, one to visit relatives when I was a kid, and a couple basketball trips when I was in college. Other than that, the eastside can be ignored. I've got no reason and no desire to go over that way, and am very glad that there are enough votes in the Seattle area to outnumber the other areas.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jun 23, 2020 8:42:47 GMT -5
It's the same here. I'm not surprised to see a noose there, not surprised at all. I still see some fool on the main drag of town flying a damned confederate flag. There were trucks all over with those flags on them, I haven't noticed lately because I'm not out much right now. But we have lots of places here flying those flags. I wonder if they even realize what they stand for.
No matter, its time this sh** stops. BLM, that is true. A large part of the world is people of color.
My hubs and I have both talked about confederate flags and thought they should have been gone long ago, never made sense to us.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 23, 2020 8:45:01 GMT -5
Maybe we should have a KKK type of organization that burns stuff on the lawns of people who display a Confederate flag. We can follow them around, leave threatening signs, etc.
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Post by souldoubt on Jun 23, 2020 16:49:57 GMT -5
"Noose found in Bubba Wallace’s garage was door pull, had been there since 2019, officials say"
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 23, 2020 17:07:31 GMT -5
"Noose found in Bubba Wallace’s garage was door pull, had been there since 2019, officials say" I think I felt Nascar's butthole unpucker from 2000 miles away. Lol. This is the best possible outcome for them.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 23, 2020 17:55:18 GMT -5
"Noose found in Bubba Wallace’s garage was door pull, had been there since 2019, officials say" I think I felt Nascar's butthole unpucker from 2000 miles away. Lol. This is the best possible outcome for them. Ummm, fashioning it like a noose...still says something. It should have been gone long ago, it wasn't.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 23, 2020 18:10:11 GMT -5
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Post by busymom on Jun 23, 2020 20:55:39 GMT -5
Call me cynical, but I don't believe it. I've heard too many times how the current administration tries to justify everything, so that has probably made me less likely to believe anyone in this situation. A noose is still a noose.
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Post by steff on Jun 23, 2020 20:56:19 GMT -5
As one of the few (if not only one left) Nascar "fans" here, I was holding off until more was found out before saying anything. Because it happened at Talladega, I was prepared for the worst possible outcome. Talladega is like Redneck Mecca. Daytona may be "if you build it they will come", but 'Dega is "they will worship it with Budweiser & Boobs." It's fascinating & terrifying to be surrounded by that many pure, hardcore, dead from the neck up rednecks. The only Nascar track that doesn't encourage you to bring your kids. Where on Saturday night before the race, there's a Mardi Gras style parade in the infield on a dirt road down the middle of all the RV's called "Redneck Alley". ...and they will worship it with Budweiser and boobs. Topless BBQ sauce wrestling...yes, it's a real thing & it's a massive attraction on Redneck Alley.
If there was ever a track where something horrifying could happen...it's Talladega on every level. Death is nothing new to the track & legend has it that it's built on a Native American burial ground (because of course it is).
I knew that the security of the garages was on a whole new level under their CV19 rules. Drivers aren't even allowed in the garage anymore. A driver shows up to the track, goes to his RV, and doesn't stick his head out again until it's time to get into his car. He goes from his RV to the car for the race. If there's a rain delay, he goes back to his RV until called back to the car. If the race ends, they do minor publicity if they finished top 5, if not, they leave immediately. Bubba didn't find the noose, he didn't see the noose, he was told about the noose after it was reported to Nascar by one of his crew members who found it because Bubba was never anywhere near the garage.
Also know that they have been staggering crews in the garages to avoid having 2 teams right next to each other working on the cars at the same time. So it's a crew in every other garage for a few hours & then switch for the other crews to come in. Garages typically open from 7 am - 5/6 pm on non race days IF there is no lower series racing happening on that day. Whole different set of rules if the Xfinity series is also running at the same track. (would take forever to explain). So it would be possible to another crew to have put the noose in Bubba's garage stall. But then also know that there are stationary cameras all over the garages. You can call up each drivers garage stall online at some tracks. Nascar is unusual in how much open fan access there really is when the world is normal. You can watch/listen to everything for every driver. So clearly anyone who did it would have to be seen on camera. It would just be a matter of time until we heard who it was.
I did expect it to be a local track worker. Someone from Alabama who is upset with/doesn't agree with the new no Confederate flag rule. Someone who has worked the races at the track for years & could have worked for the cleaning crews who were allowed into the garage areas during certain times. Someone more likely to be able to bullshit their way thru with another local track worker playing security that day.
And now we know that, well, no one did it. that it's a garage door rope pull that has been tied up that way since the last race there in October. With there being no testing, no practice, nothing at the track since last year, I do see how it could have been completely over looked. We know it was a Wood Brother's crew member who tied it up that way with no ill intent. There's no way anyone would know that Bubba would be assigned that garage stall all these months later. We've seen the picture to show that the noose (and it is a noose) was there last year.
We know the chain of events. A member of Bubba's crew saw it, informed Nascar, who informed the police, who called in the FBI. Had it been a real issue, the chain was all handled correctly. With it being a non-event, it appears as if it was blown up out of proportion.
As much as everyone wants a body to burn on the altar of "we're all offended", there isn't one here. There's no actual bad guy, no one to blame, no one who set out to hurt anyone else. Just a bad choice for boy scout knot tying on a broken garage door rope. But for Nascar, it's about as good of an outcome as they could have hoped for. They don't have to confront/deal with hidden racism (it's still there, have no doubt, just look up Mike Skinner's son on twitter last night), they don't have to cater to any group & piss off another group in the process, & they have the visuals from the unity in what all the drivers did before the race. And Nascar doesn't get the credit for that visual, the drivers do. Jimmie Johnson, Kevin Harvick & Kyle Busch (still hate him) get the credit for it. Jimmie started the conversation with the idea of everyone standing and/or kneeling with Bubba thru the anthem. Kevin Harvick came up with the idea to push the car out with every driver walking behind it. Kyle Busch (still hate him) stepped up and said since everyone already hates him (see he knows we all still hate him) that he'll stand up front & be the most visible in his lime green gumby suit as the car is being pushed. All while Bubba sat in the car & cried.
There is racism DEEPLY embedded in Nascar still. That hasn't changed, but someone turned on the lights, the roaches just haven't figured out that they should have run & hid. The old farts are dying off & the old fart fan base isn't what Nascar is going for anymore. To survive they need younger fans & there's no enough young rednecks to keep it alive either. Plus even Tide doesn't want to sell laundry soap to racists anymore either. Sponsors are driving it more than Nascar is. Younger drivers, more socially aware sponsors, Nascar is sponsor driven $$$$$$$$$$$.
I'm actually surprised that Nascar took so many steps forward all at once.
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Post by irishpad on Jun 23, 2020 22:35:48 GMT -5
Thank you steff, that was a very informative and insightful post. Educated this very casual fan of NASCAR. (as a kid, King Petty was my favorite driver.)
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Post by steff on Jun 23, 2020 23:00:42 GMT -5
Thank you steff , that was a very informative and insightful post. Educated this very casual fan of NASCAR. (as a kid, King Petty was my favorite driver.) Keep in mind that it was Richard Petty who, when Kaepernick first hit the fan, stated that if anyone on his team/crew took a knee they would be fire immediately. And here it is, Bubba is the King's driver. The Legendary #43 ran a Black Lives Matter paint scheme (granted, they had no sponsor for the car that week, so it wasn't a huge stretch to put something on the car, no risk of sponsor disapproval). Richard Petty also flew in for the race, to be there with his driver when word of the noose came out. It's the first race he has attended since CV19 came out. Mr Petty is in his 80's & he's been staying at home. But he was the first one there to comfort his driver when he got out of the car after all the drivers pushed the car down pit road. This was just as big of a step for Richard Petty as it was for Nascar in general. There are many many many pictures of Richard Petty flying the Confederate flag back in the day.
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Post by justme on Jun 24, 2020 0:01:14 GMT -5
Living not far from Daytona I couldn't completely ignore it, and my parents were no sports fan period so I found my own faves as I grew up, but I was very much not behind what NASCAR stood for. Whether they officially stated it or not, a lot of their fans are racist redneck assholes as Steff mentioned. In college I was associated with Redbull and they had a driver in something at Daytona and I got pit passes for some qualifying something or other. It was a bad ass experience (I mean, duh taking a golf cart through the tunnel at Daytona to pop up on the other side of the track is pretty awesome) but I also was very glad I was in the Redbull tent and definitely remember telling my friend that I brought that I'm never coming to a race again unless I have pit passes. Though to be honest none of us really watched the race(s?) for more than a few minutes - we were all back down off the platform eating food, drinking free drinks, dancing to the DJ and hanging with the Redbull athletes.
I'm honestly fucking gobsmacked that NASCAR has done all it has in the last few weeks. Like I would have bet a shit ton of money last year and lost it all if someone told me NASCAR would ban the confederate flag and rally behind their sole black driver. But I'm damn glad they are - even if it's just because they've realized they're going to keep losing their audience if they kept up with the same old shit.
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Post by oped on Jun 24, 2020 6:34:47 GMT -5
As one of the few (if not only one left) Nascar "fans" here, I was holding off until more was found out before saying anything. Because it happened at Talladega, I was prepared for the worst possible outcome. Talladega is like Redneck Mecca. Daytona may be "if you build it they will come", but 'Dega is "they will worship it with Budweiser & Boobs." It's fascinating & terrifying to be surrounded by that many pure, hardcore, dead from the neck up rednecks. The only Nascar track that doesn't encourage you to bring your kids. Where on Saturday night before the race, there's a Mardi Gras style parade in the infield on a dirt road down the middle of all the RV's called "Redneck Alley". ...and they will worship it with Budweiser and boobs. Topless BBQ sauce wrestling...yes, it's a real thing & it's a massive attraction on Redneck Alley.
If there was ever a track where something horrifying could happen...it's Talladega on every level. Death is nothing new to the track & legend has it that it's built on a Native American burial ground (because of course it is).
I knew that the security of the garages was on a whole new level under their CV19 rules. Drivers aren't even allowed in the garage anymore. A driver shows up to the track, goes to his RV, and doesn't stick his head out again until it's time to get into his car. He goes from his RV to the car for the race. If there's a rain delay, he goes back to his RV until called back to the car. If the race ends, they do minor publicity if they finished top 5, if not, they leave immediately. Bubba didn't find the noose, he didn't see the noose, he was told about the noose after it was reported to Nascar by one of his crew members who found it because Bubba was never anywhere near the garage.
Also know that they have been staggering crews in the garages to avoid having 2 teams right next to each other working on the cars at the same time. So it's a crew in every other garage for a few hours & then switch for the other crews to come in. Garages typically open from 7 am - 5/6 pm on non race days IF there is no lower series racing happening on that day. Whole different set of rules if the Xfinity series is also running at the same track. (would take forever to explain). So it would be possible to another crew to have put the noose in Bubba's garage stall. But then also know that there are stationary cameras all over the garages. You can call up each drivers garage stall online at some tracks. Nascar is unusual in how much open fan access there really is when the world is normal. You can watch/listen to everything for every driver. So clearly anyone who did it would have to be seen on camera. It would just be a matter of time until we heard who it was.
I did expect it to be a local track worker. Someone from Alabama who is upset with/doesn't agree with the new no Confederate flag rule. Someone who has worked the races at the track for years & could have worked for the cleaning crews who were allowed into the garage areas during certain times. Someone more likely to be able to bullshit their way thru with another local track worker playing security that day.
And now we know that, well, no one did it. that it's a garage door rope pull that has been tied up that way since the last race there in October. With there being no testing, no practice, nothing at the track since last year, I do see how it could have been completely over looked. We know it was a Wood Brother's crew member who tied it up that way with no ill intent. There's no way anyone would know that Bubba would be assigned that garage stall all these months later. We've seen the picture to show that the noose (and it is a noose) was there last year.
We know the chain of events. A member of Bubba's crew saw it, informed Nascar, who informed the police, who called in the FBI. Had it been a real issue, the chain was all handled correctly. With it being a non-event, it appears as if it was blown up out of proportion.
As much as everyone wants a body to burn on the altar of "we're all offended", there isn't one here. There's no actual bad guy, no one to blame, no one who set out to hurt anyone else. Just a bad choice for boy scout knot tying on a broken garage door rope. But for Nascar, it's about as good of an outcome as they could have hoped for. They don't have to confront/deal with hidden racism (it's still there, have no doubt, just look up Mike Skinner's son on twitter last night), they don't have to cater to any group & piss off another group in the process, & they have the visuals from the unity in what all the drivers did before the race. And Nascar doesn't get the credit for that visual, the drivers do. Jimmie Johnson, Kevin Harvick & Kyle Busch (still hate him) get the credit for it. Jimmie started the conversation with the idea of everyone standing and/or kneeling with Bubba thru the anthem. Kevin Harvick came up with the idea to push the car out with every driver walking behind it. Kyle Busch (still hate him) stepped up and said since everyone already hates him (see he knows we all still hate him) that he'll stand up front & be the most visible in his lime green gumby suit as the car is being pushed. All while Bubba sat in the car & cried.
There is racism DEEPLY embedded in Nascar still. That hasn't changed, but someone turned on the lights, the roaches just haven't figured out that they should have run & hid. The old farts are dying off & the old fart fan base isn't what Nascar is going for anymore. To survive they need younger fans & there's no enough young rednecks to keep it alive either. Plus even Tide doesn't want to sell laundry soap to racists anymore either. Sponsors are driving it more than Nascar is. Younger drivers, more socially aware sponsors, Nascar is sponsor driven $$$$$$$$$$$.
I'm actually surprised that Nascar took so many steps forward all at once.
Steff can I share this other places? If so how should I credit you?
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Post by azucena on Jun 24, 2020 7:19:02 GMT -5
Great post and insights Steff. When I read the updated news being posted around fb yesterday, my thought was to be glad that it was not a hate crime and especially glad that Nascar seems to have handled it the right way. Gives me hope.
Note - I'm familiar enough with Nascar fans to know that the roaches are hiding as Steff so eloquently put it. But, I'll take this incident as a first step win.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 24, 2020 8:55:12 GMT -5
I was glad this didn't turn into a Jussie Smollett or Susan Smith-type incident. Staged or false claim incidents hurt all Americans.
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Post by alabamagal on Jun 24, 2020 10:08:43 GMT -5
Great post by Steff. DH and I are big NASCAR fans and been to races at Talladega 5 times while we lived in AL. It was awesome BTW. And her description is accurate of SOME of the people there, but certainly not all. We never went to parties, just the races since we lived an hour away. Driving up to the races there were lots of confederate flags on display prior to getting to racetrack property, and of course some on private vehicles. And despite all the “redneck attitudes” there were some minorities in the stands, not to level of general population though.
I am happy to see the changes they are making. We always root for Bubba Wallace and Daniel Suarez (driver from Mexico), not just because they are minorities, but because they seem like good guys. I also went to high school with Suarez crew chief and am good friends with his sister. Neither driver is with a top level team, which makes their chance of winning pretty slim.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 24, 2020 10:16:34 GMT -5
I am having trouble saying that the FBI is corrupt head to toe and they are purposely lying and fabricating to tell a false story, after spending the last 3.5 years saying that they are not corrupt, and they are professionals who care about truth and aren't lying and fabricating to tell a false story. I'm sorry that Bubba didn't get the head on a platter he wanted, but at this time I have no reason to doubt the FBI.
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