Tulsa rally- as an employer I would require all employees

[jelloshots4all]

to have to disclose whether they attended the rally or are in contact with someone who did, then make them self quarantine for 14 days.  Not sure of the legalities of this, but I don't think it would be seen as discrimination.  I would do the same thing if Biden were holding in person rallies.  

They can express their freedom of speech, while I protect the health of my employees

[Deleted]

Although I agree with your sentiment (and its applicability to both sides), it may be seen as discriminatory because it applies to only one high-risk activity. What about those who went bar-hopping or had a big family party over the weekend? Probably would cause ill will.

[Ava]

Well, at work we have to fill out an online questionnaire before going to the office in person.
One of the questions is if we have been exposed in the last 14 days, or been in contact with someone exposed, etc.
I think this sort of questionnaire makes more sense than asking specifically if the employee was present at this particular rally. So many other places and circumstances someone may get exposed. Why single this one out? It truly screams of discrimination.

And I'm a rabid leftie, by the way.

[sesfw]

My concern about this rally is people coming from all over the US.  Any exposure will go back with them to their homes and families ....... and guess what happens

This next month is going to be interesting.

[busymom]

Most events that attract really large crowds, like sports & concerts, have all been cancelled or postponed.  Unless you're a member of one of the megachurches that is ignoring the advice to shut down, this political rally is going to be the biggest event anywhere.  I agree that if people come in from all over, all they're going to do is bring disease home with them.  While it may "thin the herd" on rabid conservatives, it'll also do harm to their kids, or anyone else they're in contact with, and that's not right.  

[chiver78]

well, if you assume that the whole crowd was exposed to it, based on 6 advance staff testing positive, I'm not sure how discrimination claims would hold water. there's definitive proof of exposure with those test results.

amp.azcentral.com/amp/3207784001

[jerseygirl]

Jun 20, 2020 13:55:20 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

well, if you assume that the whole crowd was exposed to it, based on 6 advance staff testing positive, I'm not sure how discrimination claims would hold water. there's definitive proof of exposure with those test results.

amp.azcentral.com/amp/3207784001

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In NY, tracers aren’t allowed to ask if person was in a protest - politics? Discrimination?

[Deleted]

Jun 20, 2020 12:14:51 GMT -5 Ava said:

Well, at work we have to fill out an online questionnaire before going to the office in person.
One of the questions is if we have been exposed in the last 14 days, or been in contact with someone exposed, etc.
I think this sort of questionnaire makes more sense than asking specifically if the employee was present at this particular rally. So many other places and circumstances someone may get exposed. Why single this one out? It truly screams of discrimination.

And I'm a rabid leftie, by the way.

I agree- it would be more even-handed to ask people if they've been at gatherings of more than X people in the last 2 weeks, whether it was indoors or outdoors, whether there was social distancing and what % of people (approximately) were wearing masks.  Those are the risk factors.  Whether it was a political rally, a mega-church service or a peaceful walk for racial justices is no business of the employer's. 

[pulmonarymd]

While we all debate this, going to Tulsa, going home, and doing whatever you want seems to be incredibly safe. Not a risk of spreading the virus, right. Just tely in the honor system. Not a possibility that will go wrong. Somehow, we have lost focus on what we should be trying to do. We are setting ourselves up for a disastrous fall. Can’t wait to go to work then

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jun 20, 2020 16:40:43 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

While we all debate this, going to Tulsa, going home, and doing whatever you want seems to be incredibly safe. Not a risk of spreading the virus, right. Just tely in the honor system. Not a possibility that will go wrong. Somehow, we have lost focus on what we should be trying to do. We are setting ourselves up for a disastrous fall. Can’t wait to go to work then

You and your cohorts are going to pay the most with this madness.  It is like seeing a train coming and being tied to the tracks b6 Snidley Whiplash.  

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 20, 2020 16:47:01 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Jun 20, 2020 16:40:43 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

While we all debate this, going to Tulsa, going home, and doing whatever you want seems to be incredibly safe. Not a risk of spreading the virus, right. Just tely in the honor system. Not a possibility that will go wrong. Somehow, we have lost focus on what we should be trying to do. We are setting ourselves up for a disastrous fall. Can’t wait to go to work then

You and your cohorts are going to pay the most with this madness.  It is like seeing a train coming and being tied to the tracks b6 Snidley Whiplash.  

In March, this was like a slow motion disaster. Like waiting for the river to rise and flood. Then it was a long lasting disaster for about a month. Now the river has receded, but it is still raining more than we want to see. Yes, we have to deal with the mess being created. We have no interest in ameliorating the scope of the disaster. I guess the number of dead hasn’t yet resonated with enough people. It will be interesting to see what the number is.

The science behind the spread of this virus is easy. Indoors, close contact is what is most efficient. We ignore that at our own peril. I weep for those who will suffer from this infection due to our unwillingness to listen th science. I alternate that feeling with being furious with our response. Everyone who does not listen to reason is culpable with these deaths

[Opti]

According to your link these six people won't even be at the rally. In my limited experience of being in a facility with Covid I don't think their existence is enough. 

[oped]

Jun 20, 2020 12:02:50 GMT -5 @athena53 said:

Although I agree with your sentiment (and its applicability to both sides), it may be seen as discriminatory because it applies to only one high-risk activity. What about those who went bar-hopping or had a big family party over the weekend? Probably would cause ill will.

To my knowledge there are no other similarly sized events allowed... but simple enough... require disclosure and quarantine after attending any event of that size. No discrimination.

[Deleted]

They claim the 1918 flu helped Hitler rise to power. Hitler is Trump's hero. So...

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jun 20, 2020 16:59:34 GMT -5 Opti said:

According to your link these six people won't even be at the rally. In my limited experience of being in a facility with Covid I don't think their existence is enough. 

But how many people did those 6 campaign workers work with who WILL be at the rally?

[chiver78]

Jun 20, 2020 17:23:04 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Jun 20, 2020 16:59:34 GMT -5 Opti said:

According to your link these six people won't even be at the rally. In my limited experience of being in a facility with Covid I don't think their existence is enough. 

But how many people did those 6 campaign workers work with who WILL be at the rally?

exactly. they weren't working in vacuum while there.

[Opti]

Jun 20, 2020 16:58:23 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jun 20, 2020 16:47:01 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

You and your cohorts are going to pay the most with this madness.  It is like seeing a train coming and being tied to the tracks b6 Snidley Whiplash.  

In March, this was like a slow motion disaster. Like waiting for the river to rise and flood. Then it was a long lasting disaster for about a month. Now the river has receded, but it is still raining more than we want to see. Yes, we have to deal with the mess being created. We have no interest in ameliorating the scope of the disaster. I guess the number of dead hasn’t yet resonated with enough people. It will be interesting to see what the number is.

The science behind the spread of this virus is easy. Indoors, close contact is what is most efficient. We ignore that at our own peril. I weep for those who will suffer from this infection due to our unwillingness to listen th science. I alternate that feeling with being furious with our response. Everyone who does not listen to reason is culpable with these deaths

Have you seen anything concrete yet on how long exposure needs to be? At the moment I can conclude my brief exposures were small enough, short enough, but it would be nice to get a window. 

[pulmonarymd]

Multiple factors in play, but it seems to require prolonged(I think I saw 10 minutes, but don’t quote me on that), close contact. Indoors is far more efficient.

[chiver78]

Jun 20, 2020 17:29:56 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Multiple factors in play, but it seems to require prolonged(I think I saw 10 minutes, but don’t quote me on that), close contact. Indoors is far more efficient.

indoors is aided extensively by recirculated air. the shittier the system, the higher the risk.

[lynnerself]

Jun 20, 2020 17:24:52 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jun 20, 2020 17:23:04 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

But how many people did those 6 campaign workers work with who WILL be at the rally?

exactly. they weren't working in vacuum while there.

I read that anyone they had been in contact with was being required to quarantine also, or at least not attending the rally, not sure of the exact statement

[Opti]

Jun 20, 2020 17:23:04 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Jun 20, 2020 16:59:34 GMT -5 Opti said:

According to your link these six people won't even be at the rally. In my limited experience of being in a facility with Covid I don't think their existence is enough. 

But how many people did those 6 campaign workers work with who WILL be at the rally?

IMO its actually not how many they worked with but how they worked with them that is important. I work in what is classified as a nursing home in NJ. NJ estimates 40% of the Covid deaths are from nursing homes. Because of my job I have taken temps of people who later had the virus. I am generally within a foot to 18 inches when I take temps because of my arm length and one of the thermometers is a contact one that has to be moved across the forehead. I've been less than 6 feet away from multiple patients who are Covid positive and they weren't wearing a mask. 

I've had multiple coworkers within 3 to 4 feet of me who later turned out to have the virus. My exposures were brief, and luckily rarely involved them talking to me face to face without a mask. I'm still Covid free.

[chiver78]

Jun 20, 2020 17:37:58 GMT -5 lynnerself said:

Jun 20, 2020 17:24:52 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

exactly. they weren't working in vacuum while there.

I read that anyone they had been in contact with was being required to quarantine also, or at least not attending the rally, not sure of the exact statement

I'm not holding my breath thats enforced...

[pulmonarymd]

I have been in multiple rooms, multiple days in a row with severely ill covid patients. Still haven’t been sick, and neither have my icu colleagues. The protections work. Masks on everyone also seem to bring the risk down. But we won’t wear them, because freedumb

[pulmonarymd]

Btw, AZ is running out of icu beds, only 257 left in the state. Tell me again how hot weather was going to make this go away

[Opti]

Jun 20, 2020 17:29:56 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Multiple factors in play, but it seems to require prolonged(I think I saw 10 minutes, but don’t quote me on that), close contact. Indoors is far more efficient.

Thanks for the number. I did and do my best to keep my mini exposures under 5 minutes. 

[Deleted]

It's okay, few people showed up to the rally anyway. Trump, of course, is saying BLM protesters are blocking them from entering the area.  lol 

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 20, 2020 17:49:11 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jun 20, 2020 17:29:56 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Multiple factors in play, but it seems to require prolonged(I think I saw 10 minutes, but don’t quote me on that), close contact. Indoors is far more efficient.

Thanks for the number. I did and do my best to keep my mini exposures under 5 minutes. 

If you are both masked, that should help as well. I think you should keep your exposure to what I do instores, get in, get what you need, and get out as fast as possible

[jelloshots4all]

Well ya know trump is gonna spew his stupid shit for an hour or more to hear his crowd clap and chant.  Good breading ground

[pulmonarymd]

In addition, multiple college football teams, Clemson and Texas most prominently, Tampa bay buccaneers(nfl), and Philadelphia Phillies(mlb), among others have had multiple people test positive. Maybe football not coming back will get people’s attention

[billisonboard]

Jun 20, 2020 17:26:38 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jun 20, 2020 16:58:23 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

In March, this was like a slow motion disaster. Like waiting for the river to rise and flood. Then it was a long lasting disaster for about a month. Now the river has receded, but it is still raining more than we want to see. Yes, we have to deal with the mess being created. We have no interest in ameliorating the scope of the disaster. I guess the number of dead hasn’t yet resonated with enough people. It will be interesting to see what the number is.

The science behind the spread of this virus is easy. Indoors, close contact is what is most efficient. We ignore that at our own peril. I weep for those who will suffer from this infection due to our unwillingness to listen th science. I alternate that feeling with being furious with our response. Everyone who does not listen to reason is culpable with these deaths

Have you seen anything concrete yet on how long exposure needs to be? At the moment I can conclude my brief exposures were small enough, short enough, but it would be nice to get a window. 

I see it as "playing the odds". The virus is out there. You don't want it to get into your system. How do you minimize the chances? A confined space holds it in so avoid those when possible. When not possible, minimize the time you are inside. The longer you are there, the more opportunity there is for it to get in. Reality is, however, a minute might be too long and hours might be safe depending on the virus that is around at that moment. More people increases the likelihood that someone(s) are exhaling virus so the smaller the group the better. Staying further from people allows for virus they breathe out to potentially drop below where you might breathe it in. Wearing a mask creates the possibility that some of that virus headed for your lungs doesn't make it into your system. Playing the odds.