SCOTUS Overturns Trump On DACA

[Tennesseer]

For now the Dreamers program to remain in place.

Supreme Court rules against Trump administration in decision to end DACA

WASHINGTON (NEXSTAR) — The Supreme Court ruled on Thursday the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, better known as DACA, was illegally rescinded by the Trump Administration.

The court rejected President Donald Trump’s effort to end legal protections for 650,000 young immigrants, a stunning rebuke to the president in the midst of his reelection campaign.

Supreme Court rules against Trump administration in decision to end DACA

[jelloshots4all]

And the hits keep coming- I LOVE IT!!

I normally would not watch a trump rally, but may turn it on Sat for shits and giggles

[swamp]

Trump is having a really bad SCOTUS week.  Thoughts and prayers. 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Next up Trump tries to pass an EO saying he can fire all the justices who do not agree with him.

[billisonboard]

We will be hearing Saturday at his rally that the recent SC rulings are why it is critical that he be reelected and in the position to appoint more justices.

Wonder if he will be able to avoid making a crude RBG comment? 

[sesfw]

I sympathize with the DACA kids and wish them well in their futures.  This is the only country and customs they know.

Next question ........... WHY DIDN'T THEIR PARENTS DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEGALITIES YEARS AGO.  The parents are still illegal ........ and breaking the LAW.

Are the kids willing to send their parents back to country of origin?  Are the parents willing to return to country or origin so the kids can stay here?

ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL

[chiver78]

Jun 18, 2020 11:03:38 GMT -5 sesfw said:

I sympathize with the DACA kids and wish them well in their futures.  This is the only country and customs they know.

Next question ........... WHY DIDN'T THEIR PARENTS DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEGALITIES YEARS AGO.  The parents are still illegal ........ and breaking the LAW.

Are the kids willing to send their parents back to country of origin?  Are the parents willing to return to country or origin so the kids can stay here?

ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL

curious if you think it's right to place a condition on the kids' status, dependent on whether the parents are tossed? 

[Tennesseer]

Jun 18, 2020 9:58:18 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Next up Trump tries to pass an EO saying he can fire all the justices who do not agree with him.

Satire from The Borowitz Report

Trump Proposes Overruling Supreme Court by Creating Supremer Court
By Andy Borowitz

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—One day after it issued decisions on L.G.B.T.Q. rights and the Second Amendment that provoked his ire, Donald J. Trump said that he would overrule the Supreme Court by creating a “Supremer Court.”

“Right now, if the Supreme Court makes a bad decision, quite frankly, you’re screwed,” he said. “The Supremer Court fixes that.”

Trump said that his Supremer Court would be a “beautiful, perfect court” that would make the Supreme Court “look like exactly what it is—a sad bunch of losers.”

Trump said that the Supremer Court would be housed in a “giant, gleaming building” overlooking the Supreme Court, enabling the Supremer Court Justices to “look down at those pathetic little Supreme Court jerks and laugh.”

As for choosing Justices for the Supremer Court, Trump said that there were no Supreme Court Justices worth promoting, “except maybe Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas.”

Rest of article here: Trump Proposes Overruling Supreme Court by Creating Supremer Court

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 18, 2020 11:03:38 GMT -5 sesfw said:

I sympathize with the DACA kids and wish them well in their futures.  This is the only country and customs they know.

Next question ........... WHY DIDN'T THEIR PARENTS DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEGALITIES YEARS AGO.  The parents are still illegal ........ and breaking the LAW.

Are the kids willing to send their parents back to country of origin?  Are the parents willing to return to country or origin so the kids can stay here?

ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL

If the kid was brought here at 2, and is now 21, what do you propose the 21 year old do? They are an adult, and know no other country. What is your solution. The parents status is irrelevant in this case.

[oped]

There are very few legal avenues available to pursue citizenship in the US ... and what has existed Trump has worked hard to limit further. It’s not just apply and get in.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jun 18, 2020 11:03:38 GMT -5 sesfw said:

I sympathize with the DACA kids and wish them well in their futures.  This is the only country and customs they know.

Next question ........... WHY DIDN'T THEIR PARENTS DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEGALITIES YEARS AGO.  The parents are still illegal ........ and breaking the LAW.

Are the kids willing to send their parents back to country of origin?  Are the parents willing to return to country or origin so the kids can stay here?

ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL

Have YOU ever tried to deal with a legal immigration process into the US?  No?  Then shut your mouth.

I watched TD jump through the legal hoops via visa, green card and citizenship.  He spoke the language, was highly educated, had employer help and it STILL took him thousands of $$, he had to bring in a lawyer as the forms and requirements were confusing and it took 13 years.

Going in with all these advantages (money, education, language and employer help) and it was still a clusterf#$&.  

Now imagine you don’t have any one of these things.

[tallguy]

Jun 18, 2020 11:11:45 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jun 18, 2020 11:03:38 GMT -5 sesfw said:

I sympathize with the DACA kids and wish them well in their futures.  This is the only country and customs they know.

Next question ........... WHY DIDN'T THEIR PARENTS DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEGALITIES YEARS AGO.  The parents are still illegal ........ and breaking the LAW.

Are the kids willing to send their parents back to country of origin?  Are the parents willing to return to country or origin so the kids can stay here?

ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL

curious if you think it's right to place a condition on the kids' status, dependent on whether the parents are tossed? 

I do, if you're curious.  Actually, the parents should have to go either way.  The kids could go with them, or not.  If they stay, they have an opportunity to become legal residents, but should not have any path to citizenship.  Key to my reasoning is this: In no way should one continue to benefit from illegal activity.  The parents knowingly came illegally.  They should be deported.  The children were brought, but are not to blame themselves.  They may not know any other home, so kicking them out under those circumstances may be considered cruel, but allowing them a path to citizenship would be a continuing benefit from the parents' illegal behavior.  Yes, there is a minor contradiction, in that even allowing them to stay in this country is a benefit, but it would be the better of bad options.       

[swamp]

Jun 18, 2020 11:03:38 GMT -5 sesfw said:

I sympathize with the DACA kids and wish them well in their futures.  This is the only country and customs they know.

Next question ........... WHY DIDN'T THEIR PARENTS DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEGALITIES YEARS AGO.  The parents are still illegal ........ and breaking the LAW.

Are the kids willing to send their parents back to country of origin?  Are the parents willing to return to country or origin so the kids can stay here?

ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL

because it would have gotten them and the kids deported.   

I don't understand why you want to punish the kids for the sins of the parents.   In order to qualify for DACA, you have to be law abiding.  

[Bob Ross]

Jun 18, 2020 9:56:51 GMT -5 swamp said:

Trump is having a really bad SCOTUS week.  Thoughts and prayers. 

Next up...his tax returns?

If those get out pre-election, man oh man!

[oped]

This really isn't a full out win. The decision lays out how he could legally end DACA.. just that this wasn't the way... so now does he have the time and political capital to go another route... is that what the next protests are about? 

[sesfw]

WHY DIDN'T THEIR PARENTS DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEGALITIES YEARS AGO.

Still asking .......

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 18, 2020 11:54:35 GMT -5 sesfw said:

WHY DIDN'T THEIR PARENTS DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEGALITIES YEARS AGO.

Still asking .......

What does it matter. The person brought here as a child and is now an adult had no control over their parents actions. So, my question remains, Ehat are we to do about the 21 yo who was brought here at 2?

[chiver78]

Jun 18, 2020 11:54:35 GMT -5 sesfw said:

WHY DIDN'T THEIR PARENTS DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEGALITIES YEARS AGO.

Still asking .......

and you got some responses, whether you liked them or not. I asked you a question, I guess I'm still waiting on your answer as well. 

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jun 18, 2020 11:54:35 GMT -5 sesfw said:

WHY DIDN'T THEIR PARENTS DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEGALITIES YEARS AGO.

Still asking .......

Again, have YOU ever dealt with trying to do this legally?  Do YOU know the process?  Do YOU have any idea how many thousands of $$ it costs?

Still asking....... 

[Tennesseer]

Jun 18, 2020 11:54:35 GMT -5 sesfw said:

WHY DIDN'T THEIR PARENTS DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEGALITIES YEARS AGO.

Still asking .......

I believe The Walk of the Penguin Mich answered you. You just didn't like her answer.

[chiver78]

Jun 18, 2020 11:35:45 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jun 18, 2020 11:11:45 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

curious if you think it's right to place a condition on the kids' status, dependent on whether the parents are tossed? 

I do, if you're curious.  Actually, the parents should have to go either way.  The kids could go with them, or not.  If they stay, they have an opportunity to become legal residents, but should not have any path to citizenship.  Key to my reasoning is this: In no way should one continue to benefit from illegal activity.  The parents knowingly came illegally.  They should be deported.  The children were brought, but are not to blame themselves.  They may not know any other home, so kicking them out under those circumstances may be considered cruel, but allowing them a path to citizenship would be a continuing benefit from the parents' illegal behavior.  Yes, there is a minor contradiction, in that even allowing them to stay in this country is a benefit, but it would be the better of bad options.       

thanks for the answer. I would counter that the kids would then essentially be stateless through no fault of their own. they could choose to move back to the country where they were born, but that would be no different than me packing up and choosing to move to Iceland, for instance. why continue to punish someone who didn't voluntarily break the law? because that is what denying citizenship would be. 

[pooks]

Interesting that it got struck down due to incompetence.  Fits with the narrative of this administration.   

[NastyWoman]

Jun 18, 2020 10:07:57 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

We will be hearing Saturday at his rally that the recent SC rulings are why it is critical that he be reelected and in the position to appoint more justices.

Wonder if he will be able to avoid making a crude RBG comment? 

He already used this a reason why he needs to be reelected. 'cause next thing you know these SC justices who hate trump will go after the second amendment and come to take your guns...

[tallguy]

Jun 18, 2020 12:04:41 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jun 18, 2020 11:35:45 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I do, if you're curious.  Actually, the parents should have to go either way.  The kids could go with them, or not.  If they stay, they have an opportunity to become legal residents, but should not have any path to citizenship.  Key to my reasoning is this: In no way should one continue to benefit from illegal activity.  The parents knowingly came illegally.  They should be deported.  The children were brought, but are not to blame themselves.  They may not know any other home, so kicking them out under those circumstances may be considered cruel, but allowing them a path to citizenship would be a continuing benefit from the parents' illegal behavior.  Yes, there is a minor contradiction, in that even allowing them to stay in this country is a benefit, but it would be the better of bad options.       

thanks for the answer. I would counter that the kids would then essentially be stateless through no fault of their own. they could choose to move back to the country where they were born, but that would be no different than me packing up and choosing to move to Iceland, for instance. why continue to punish someone who didn't voluntarily break the law? because that is what denying citizenship would be. 

Technically not.  They would be allowed to become legal residents.  That does come with certain benefits.  They would merely not be eligible for citizenship.  Allowing them to stay at all is a compromise, but why should they ever be granted full rights as a citizen if they were never here legally in the first place?  It is said in other contexts that ignorance of the law is no excuse.  Nor is intent.  If someone did not necessarily mean to break the law, or even know about it, are they excused from punishment?  No.  These kids do not even have that going for them.  At some point growing up, they likely realized (or knew already) that they were here illegally and that their parents certainly were.
I will point out also for those who don't know, that DACA as written and enacted does not allow a path to citizenship.  I think that is correct, and is as it should be.  People who come into the country illegally should be deported.  We can make an exception for those who were brought as children and know no other home, but to treat them the same as those who lawfully apply under our legal immigration system is just not right.  

[swamp]

Jun 18, 2020 11:54:35 GMT -5 sesfw said:

WHY DIDN'T THEIR PARENTS DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEGALITIES YEARS AGO.

Still asking .......

And I answered.  Because they all would have been deported.  You can't be here illegally and apply for citizenship.  

[swamp]

Jun 18, 2020 13:46:13 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jun 18, 2020 10:07:57 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

We will be hearing Saturday at his rally that the recent SC rulings are why it is critical that he be reelected and in the position to appoint more justices.

Wonder if he will be able to avoid making a crude RBG comment? 

He already used this a reason why he needs to be reelected. 'cause next thing you know these SC justices who hate trump will go after the second amendment and come to take your guns...

I hear they are going to implement Sharia law and make abortions mandatory.  

[chiver78]

valid, there is a difference. I will admit that I read your post quickly, and with a chip on my shoulder as this is a topic that is super important to me. it is important to note that DACA is only a thing for law-abiding folks that were brought here as children. you have a record, you're not eligible. I also feel as though any of the Dreamers fulfilling military service, for example, should be afforded the opportunity to gain citizenship - like any legal immigrant, too. many discovered their status either during or after their service. 

[Opti]

Jun 18, 2020 14:06:23 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jun 18, 2020 13:46:13 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

He already used this a reason why he needs to be reelected. 'cause next thing you know these SC justices who hate trump will go after the second amendment and come to take your guns...

I hear they are going to implement Sharia law and make abortions mandatory.  

Sharia law and mandatory abortions are in conflict. Unfortunately some Trump supporters probably would like the idea of "honor" killing women for not marrying the person Dad chooses.

[NastyWoman]

Jun 18, 2020 14:10:36 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jun 18, 2020 14:06:23 GMT -5 swamp said:

I hear they are going to implement Sharia law and make abortions mandatory.  

Sharia law and mandatory abortions are in conflict. Unfortunately some Trump supporters probably would like the idea of "honor" killing women for not marrying the person Dad chooses.

I am sure Swamp knows that and her post was sarcastic/tongue in cheek 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 18, 2020 14:06:23 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jun 18, 2020 13:46:13 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

He already used this a reason why he needs to be reelected. 'cause next thing you know these SC justices who hate trump will go after the second amendment and come to take your guns...

I hear they are going to implement Sharia law and make abortions mandatory.  

You forgot giving men their blessing to pillage women by ruling that trans people can use whatever bathroom they want.