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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 17, 2020 10:46:40 GMT -5
Interested in thoughts on this.
word is many corporations and businesses are moving forward with a paid day off. It is interesting to see businesses leading change rather than government.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 17, 2020 10:58:02 GMT -5
One consideration: (from 2011) Rasmussen notes that each holiday costs about $450 million in pay for federal employees and lost productivity. link
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Post by Tiny on Jun 17, 2020 11:03:57 GMT -5
My employer announced (on Sunday early AM) this Friday would be a paid day off Firm Holiday for Juneteenth for the Firm (which I think means all office world wide). I'm not sure if it's a one time thing or will become a yearly Holiday. I was aware of Juneteenth aka Freedom Day and that it commemorated the end of slavery because many of the Arts that I support have had Juneteenth themed presentations/special exhibits/whatever in June (or specifically the week/weekend/day of June 19th) for atleast the last 10 years or so. I'm not sure if it should be a National Holiday - but I certainly would like to see more attention paid to it in the US. I maybe don't need a day off - but the parties, themed stuff, and people talking about it is really cool.
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Post by Tiny on Jun 17, 2020 11:06:26 GMT -5
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Post by Tiny on Jun 17, 2020 11:13:09 GMT -5
I personally think we should have some sort of day off to celebrate a many thing encompassing "Freedom Day" - which could cover any sort of advancement in giving basic human rights to people. So, the end of slavery, women getting the right to vote (june 4th, 19th amendment), civil rights (if we ever get that), all the LGBT Pride stuff. And as more "rights" are granted in the future - that could roll into "Freedom Day" celebrations too.
A National Holiday in June would be cool. I would celebrate it!
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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 17, 2020 18:16:35 GMT -5
One consideration: (from 2011) Rasmussen notes that each holiday costs about $450 million in pay for federal employees and lost productivity. link Considering that June 19th 1865 was the date general Gordon read the federal orders informing all enslaved people that they were free (the last to hear that in what at that time was the USA, I would say you could make an argument for June 19 to replace July 4th as it took until that day that all human beings in the country were recognized as such. Not perfect but at least it recognizes the "imperfection" of nation that exsisted before. If not that one find another holiday you think can be tossed/replaced.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 17, 2020 18:23:51 GMT -5
One consideration: (from 2011) Rasmussen notes that each holiday costs about $450 million in pay for federal employees and lost productivity. link Considering that June 19th 1865 was the date general Gordon read the federal orders informing all enslaved people that they were free (the last to hear that in what at that time was the USA, I would say you could make an argument for June 19 to replace July 4th as it took until that day that all human beings in the country were recognized as such. Not perfect but at least it recognizes the "imperfection" of nation that exsisted before. If not that one find another holiday you can be tossed/replaced. Columbus Day would be a good one to .
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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 17, 2020 18:26:03 GMT -5
Considering that June 19th 1865 was the date general Gordon read the federal orders informing all enslaved people that they were free (the last to hear that in what at that time was the USA, I would say you could make an argument for June 19 to replace July 4th as it took until that day that all human beings in the country were recognized as such. Not perfect but at least it recognizes the "imperfection" of nation that exsisted before. If not that one find another holiday you can be tossed/replaced. Columbus Day would be a good one to . Sounds good to me. Less symbolic but a good choice
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jun 17, 2020 20:11:36 GMT -5
Dumping Columbus Day shouldn't even be a question at this point.
Celebrating Juneteenth should also be seriously considered. I will shamefully confess I had no idea what it was until a few years ago. I'm 40.
That said, I think it's too close to the July 4th to ever gain traction. Two days off for the little people withing a few weeks of each other? Surely not.
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Post by Tiny on Jun 17, 2020 21:30:28 GMT -5
Dumping Columbus Day shouldn't even be a question at this point. Celebrating Juneteenth should also be seriously considered. I will shamefully confess I had no idea what it was until a few years ago. I'm 40. That said, I think it's too close to the July 4th to ever gain traction. Two days off for the little people withing a few weeks of each other? Surely not. But it's ok for the seemingly never ending stream of "federal holidays" that government workers and school children get off? I swear I think there's 2 per month for the majority of months. I know they are overworked and underpaid....yada yada yada I get 7 paid "holidays" from my employer. woo ha!! I remember back in the day - I had 12 Holidays (like columbus day and presidents day and all sorts of others - plus 2 weeks vacation, 3 personal days and 5 sick days.
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Post by saveinla on Jun 17, 2020 21:52:02 GMT -5
We are getting a day off for Juneteenth starting this year. Not sure what they will swap for from the regular list of holidays.
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Post by cronewitch on Jun 17, 2020 23:01:33 GMT -5
It is reasonable to have it off but we need to remove some other holidays. Columbus should be renamed or replaced to honor native people. Presidents day and veteran's day could be removed combine Veterans with Memorial day call it armed forces day. We could combine MLKJR day with Juneteenth and have it be civil rights day.
Most of us don't spend the days celebrating the holidays like Memorial day but just use it as a long weekend. With Memorial, Juneteenth, 4th of July and Labor day it is one more summer long weekend. They can play movies on tv about ending slavery but those who want can go camping instead.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 17, 2020 23:09:31 GMT -5
My aunt's company has made it a holiday beginning this year for US staff. Many will still be working because the US trading markets will be open. I found it interesting they gave the day off as it's a European based investment bank firm.
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Post by alabamagal on Jun 18, 2020 6:21:55 GMT -5
I am not against the idea of having Juneteenth a holiday, maybe called Freedom Day, but it should be swapped for something else. Columbus Fay would be a good choice, but not from a spacing out of holidays perspective.
Also, most corporations with paid holidays just give out a set number of holidays. And if you work for multinational corporations, it can get confusing as different locations have different holidays.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jun 18, 2020 7:21:11 GMT -5
It would need to be a Federal Holiday like Memorial Day or Labor Day where 90% of employers close (I know some manufacturing companies and retail are still open on those holidays).
My companies have never given us the day off for Columbus Day, MLK, President's day, etc.
I think it is a slippery slope as companies dictate paid holidays. Many manufacturing facilities are staffed by black/brown people. If big professional firms have a paid holiday, yet manufacturers are required to work Juneteenth, it could be viewed as oppressing the black/brown people.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 18, 2020 7:58:07 GMT -5
Except, in many parts of the South, Memorial Day is not an officially recognized holiday on the state level. Something about it being a Yankee Holiday. Do you think they would recognize Juneteenth either.
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Post by dondub on Jun 18, 2020 10:39:38 GMT -5
Native Americans are already usurping Columbus Day and that’s a good idea. I’m all for a Juneteenth Day to honor Black Americans.
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Post by haapai on Jun 18, 2020 10:52:22 GMT -5
I like the idea of swapping Juneteenth for Columbus Day but I'm a little afraid of what white folks (like me) will turn it into. It should not be called Freedom Day. It needs to stay Juneteenth. It has to remain a commemoration of a nasty, filthy trick and a day of both celebration and resistance.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 18, 2020 11:01:23 GMT -5
Native Americans are already usurping Columbus Day and that’s a good idea. I’m all for a Juneteenth Day to honor Black Americans. I think it would also honor those who fought, and died, for the United States in the Civil War. We might even start flying the Army of the Potomac Battle Flag.
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Post by haapai on Jun 18, 2020 11:38:46 GMT -5
Native Americans are already usurping Columbus Day and that’s a good idea. I’m all for a Juneteenth Day to honor Black Americans. I think it would also honor those who fought, and died, for the United States in the Civil War. We might even start flying the Army of the Potomac Battle Flag. If you're going to do that, you absolutely must also put a sign next to it that clearly describes it as a Union battle flag. Yahsee, there's a jerk in my neighborhood that routinely drives his pickup by my house with the stars and bars flying over one taillight and a flag that I had to look up over the other taillight. It turned out to be something pretty vile. So please don't go flying obscure flags without explanation. The odds are pretty good that they will be mis-interpreted.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 18, 2020 11:50:46 GMT -5
I like the idea of swapping Juneteenth for Columbus Day but I'm a little afraid of what white folks (like me) will turn it into. It should not be called Freedom Day. It needs to stay Juneteenth. It has to remain a commemoration of a nasty, filthy trick and a day of both celebration and resistance.
those who don't want to recognize the ugliness of the past - they may carry on and work as usual
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jun 18, 2020 11:58:40 GMT -5
We have a company-paid day off tomorrow. It started as the executive team wanting to supposedly give us all an extra day off because this year has been insane and we adapted to the insanity and blah blah. Then they looked at the calendar and realized only a couple of days worked and with Juneteenth being a Friday and all of us having an emotional hangover, the timing and symbolism was perfect.
And it's Juneteenth. It's not generic 'freedom' day, it's not 'throw in women's rights too because why not' day, it's not 'make things more palatable for white people' day. It's Juneteenth.
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Post by dondub on Jun 18, 2020 12:18:27 GMT -5
I see Trump has just claimed that he “made Juneteenth famous. Nobody knew about it before”.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 18, 2020 15:08:25 GMT -5
I see Trump has just claimed that he “made Juneteenth famous. Nobody knew about it before”. Says the man who was surprised to discover Finland is not part of Russia.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jun 18, 2020 15:13:13 GMT -5
I see Trump has just claimed that he “made Juneteenth famous. Nobody knew about it before”. Says the man who was surprised to discover Finland is not part of Russia. To be fair: I had vaguely heard of Juneteenth before Trump's rally was announced for that day. Now I know what it is about.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 18, 2020 15:45:08 GMT -5
We have a company-paid day off tomorrow. It started as the executive team wanting to supposedly give us all an extra day off because this year has been insane and we adapted to the insanity and blah blah. Then they looked at the calendar and realized only a couple of days worked and with Juneteenth being a Friday and all of us having an emotional hangover, the timing and symbolism was perfect. And it's Juneteenth. It's not generic 'freedom' day, it's not 'throw in women's rights too because why not' day, it's not 'make things more palatable for white people' day. It's Juneteenth. yes - why the sudden management of the name, and what gets honored on the day? why?
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Post by dondub on Jun 18, 2020 16:43:41 GMT -5
Says the man who was surprised to discover Finland is not part of Russia. To be fair: I had vaguely heard of Juneteenth before Trump's rally was announced for that day. Now I know what it is about. I just wish I could feel POTUS was tone deaf on this. But I think we can all accept this was a deliberate dog whistle of supremacist provocation because that’s how this wack dirtbag rolls.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 18, 2020 20:26:21 GMT -5
Sorry folks, but Juneteenth should not be rolled in with any other day of celebration.
Columbus Day has already changed to honor Native Americans....they were here before us!
Has anyone black commented on this thread?
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Post by justme on Jun 18, 2020 20:47:22 GMT -5
Dumping Columbus Day shouldn't even be a question at this point. Celebrating Juneteenth should also be seriously considered. I will shamefully confess I had no idea what it was until a few years ago. I'm 40. That said, I think it's too close to the July 4th to ever gain traction. Two days off for the little people withing a few weeks of each other? Surely not. MLK day and presidents day are within 4 wks of each other. Same for veterans and Columbus day. Thanksgiving and Christmas are 4/5 wks apart. So its not that crazy. Canada actually made it so May - Oct there's a 3 day weekend (more or less, July isn't always a weekend) every month. Makes it so everyone has a lot of summer month time.
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Post by mollyc on Jun 18, 2020 22:51:53 GMT -5
To correct any misunderstandings, some provinces might have a long weekend every month from May to Oct but BC doesn’t. There is no Stat holiday in June. As you stated, Canada Day is always celebrated on July 1st.
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