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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 16, 2020 17:29:36 GMT -5
Think about that next time you pop a Hershey Kiss or a Mars bar in your mouth. So give me a list of Fair Trade chocolates in the US please? I rarely eat chocolate. If I'm at a gas station and want a Reese's peanut butter cup, I doubt the gas station sells Fair Trade chocolates but I'm willing to be wrong You won't find Fair Trade chocolate at a gas station. I know where to find it in my country, but if child slavery and torture matter to you at all, I'm sure you can find your own list.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 16, 2020 17:35:14 GMT -5
I'm sure you can find it on Amazon.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jun 16, 2020 17:41:54 GMT -5
Of course child slavery and torture matter to me. Don't assume they don't matter to others. Found this: www.fairtradeamerica.org/Fairtrade-Products/ChocolateHow many parents in the US do you think are going to buy these to hand out for trick or treating on Halloween?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 16, 2020 17:48:34 GMT -5
That looks like quite a selection. Why do parents have to hand out chocolate? What's wrong with candy or gum? Stickers? Small toys? Temporary tattoos? Small bags of chips? Play Dough?
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jun 16, 2020 18:15:28 GMT -5
The list is all very expensive chocolates. I'm not saying parents need to pass out chocolates, but it was at least 50% of what my kids got when they were young.
The average Walmart shopper is going to pick out big bags of candy that are on sale. I have bought mine at Costco. Half the time chocolate.
I'm stating what usually happens in the US.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jun 16, 2020 18:22:35 GMT -5
When a working parent runs into Walmart, Target, Costco last minute after work to pick up TorT treats, they are not going to search the store for stickers, tattoo, play dough, etc. They are going to grab the bags of candy including chocolate at the front of the store to get home.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 16, 2020 18:47:20 GMT -5
The list is all very expensive chocolates. I'm not saying parents need to pass out chocolates, but it was at least 50% of what my kids got when they were young. The average Walmart shopper is going to pick out big bags of candy that are on sale. I have bought mine at Costco. Half the time chocolate. I'm stating what usually happens in the US. Of course it's expensive. That's what happens when you don't use free slave labour. Same with coffee. Fair Trade ensures that the farmer gets a fair deal and that the workers are paid living wages. I only buy Fair Trade coffee. I can even get a variety at my local chain grocery store.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jun 16, 2020 19:01:14 GMT -5
I don't drink coffee. I also don't buy organic. I usually try to buy from the farmers market in season.
This is hurting my head. I'm not trying to argue.
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Post by seriousthistime on Jun 16, 2020 19:39:13 GMT -5
Of course, and we don't have to be perfect. We just have to be know that this information is out there. Convenience matters. But if Product A and Product B are equally convenient, affordable, and (in)expensive, there's a shorthand we know that can guide us.
I have a friend who HATES Amazon and Jeff Bezos. According to her, the distribution centers are are inhumane, Amazon workers are treated very poorly, they don't make a living wage, etc. etc. And Bezos is at the core of it, doesn't care about the wellbeing of his employees, doesn't donate enough to charitable causes (but there would be no amount of donation from him she would consider sufficient), etc. Yet I know people who work for Amazon. And same friend shops at Whole Foods (all the while bitching that the stores have gone downhill since Amazon bought it, the workers complain how they hate working for an Amazon company, etc.). And she posts articles from WaPo on FB pretty frequently. (Thank you, Bezos, for WaPo!) I buy a lot of my stuff from Amazon and won't bring any more printed material into the house because of the storage and recycling issues. I'm Kindle all the way. She's still buying paper books.
Sometimes it's just really hard to know which companies are good and which ones are bad.
Jimmy John = totally bad. I love their sandwiches. But as a person he is completely despicable, all the while making noteworthy donations to organizations that will catch a headline or two. As a result, I take a pass on their sandwiches, which is much easier to avoid here than it was in the Midwest.
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Post by gambler on Jun 16, 2020 20:00:51 GMT -5
Yes I do. I made my money as a conservative republican. I will not and to the best of my ability have not and will not support any liberal business
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Post by oped on Jun 16, 2020 20:04:24 GMT -5
Think about that next time you pop a Hershey Kiss or a Mars bar in your mouth. So give me a list of Fair Trade chocolates in the US please? I rarely eat chocolate. If I'm at a gas station and want a Reese's peanut butter cup, I doubt the gas station sells Fair Trade chocolates but I'm willing to be wrong Theos is one of my favorite.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 16, 2020 20:27:19 GMT -5
Yes I do. I made my money as a conservative republican. I will not and to the best of my ability have not and will not support any liberal business i can understand how you would favor conservative businesses, but i don't get how you can avoid liberal ones. it is not like they are rare. they are, in fact, the norm.
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Post by gambler on Jun 16, 2020 20:37:06 GMT -5
And that was my post I do my best. Will not support of i can avoid. Will not give to liberal cause will not support liberal candidate. Think it must be a law for business to post their political affiliation so I can total avoid one's I do not support
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 16, 2020 20:41:43 GMT -5
And that was my post I do my best. Will not support of i can avoid. Will not give to liberal cause will not support liberal candidate. in other words, you will continue behaving exactly as you do, because your definition of liberal is something other than what the dictionary says.
edit: just out of curiosity, name me one liberal business you boycott.
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Post by gambler on Jun 16, 2020 20:59:50 GMT -5
Papa johns, grub hub few more
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Post by dezii on Jun 16, 2020 23:37:15 GMT -5
affiliation or values? This started on the YM board when I mentioned that I like my Giza sheets, which are sold through MyPillow. I did not research the owners political or religious affiliation, then it became a discussion on the Koch Bros and toilet paper made by their companies. At the same time, does this also include buying things made in China? Nope though did investigate "My pillow" for purchase , decided too expensive..what ever and then did discover his political leanings...might have worked against them if was considering purchase but am sure it works in his favor with the loyal fringe..LOL
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 17, 2020 6:22:01 GMT -5
Papa johns, grub hub few more Papa John's? wow. maybe the company has changed since Papa himself had to step down. can you give an example of why you consider this a 'liberal' company?
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Post by lurkyloo on Jun 17, 2020 8:31:45 GMT -5
Thanks jelloshots4all . The link was helpful...and buying valrhona is definitely not a hardship
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 17, 2020 9:01:05 GMT -5
Papa johns, grub hub few more Papa John's? wow. maybe the company has changed since Papa himself had to step down. can you give an example of why you consider this a 'liberal' company? Papa John's liberally sprinkles the mozzarella on their pizzas?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 10:19:25 GMT -5
I purchase products from companies that have well designed products for a fair price.
So no, I don't care what their owners like for politicians.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 17, 2020 11:01:58 GMT -5
Papa johns, grub hub few more Papa John's? wow. maybe the company has changed since Papa himself had to step down. can you give an example of why you consider this a 'liberal' company? Because they forced out the guy who used racist language? As a good 'Merican company they should have celebrated him.
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Post by hurley1980 on Jun 17, 2020 13:21:50 GMT -5
I'm all for not supporting companies that use child slave labor and torture animals and what not, but I don't really care about the political affiliations. We are all free to support the political parties we choose. Home Depot might donate to the Trump campaign, but that is their right, and I go there to support the workers that are trying to earn a living by helping me find items and ring me up. The Home Depot near me has a great staff, and I don't really have a Lowes close by, so whatever.
Also, I live in a lower income suburb, and my only choices for shopping are pretty much Walmart, Big Lots, and Dollar Store, unless I want to drive to another town. I don't care about political donations enough to spend a lot of time researching them. I do try to be a little more mindful when shopping online, but I mostly buy amazon and I dont have time to search out where some third party seller got their merchandise, and where/how it was made.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 17, 2020 15:48:48 GMT -5
I purchase products from companies that have well designed products for a fair price. So no, I don't care what their owners like for politicians. anyone making a good product at a fair price is a good capitalist = liberal.
boycotting such businesses is a guarantee that you are getting inferior products at inflated prices.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 17, 2020 15:49:41 GMT -5
Papa John's? wow. maybe the company has changed since Papa himself had to step down. can you give an example of why you consider this a 'liberal' company? Because they forced out the guy who used racist language? As a good 'Merican company they should have celebrated him. forcing people out for diminishing a brand is appropriate for ANY enterprise.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 17, 2020 15:52:02 GMT -5
I'm all for not supporting companies that use child slave labor and torture animals and what not, but I don't really care about the political affiliations. We are all free to support the political parties we choose. Home Depot might donate to the Trump campaign, but that is their right, and I go there to support the workers that are trying to earn a living by helping me find items and ring me up. The Home Depot near me has a great staff, and I don't really have a Lowes close by, so whatever. Also, I live in a lower income suburb, and my only choices for shopping are pretty much Walmart, Big Lots, and Dollar Store, unless I want to drive to another town. I don't care about political donations enough to spend a lot of time researching them. I do try to be a little more mindful when shopping online, but I mostly buy amazon and I dont have time to search out where some third party seller got their merchandise, and where/how it was made. it would be interesting to see whether ethical businesses are run by people who are liberal or conservative, as a general rule.
since I know of no study that has investigated this, I will choose to believe that you can't rely on a person's political affiliation to determine whether they are ethical or not.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jun 17, 2020 17:00:26 GMT -5
The list is all very expensive chocolates. I'm not saying parents need to pass out chocolates, but it was at least 50% of what my kids got when they were young. The average Walmart shopper is going to pick out big bags of candy that are on sale. I have bought mine at Costco. Half the time chocolate. I'm stating what usually happens in the US. Of course it's expensive. That's what happens when you don't use free slave labour. Same with coffee. Fair Trade ensures that the farmer gets a fair deal and that the workers are paid living wages. I only buy Fair Trade coffee. I can even get a variety at my local chain grocery store. Glad you can afford the chocolates and coffee. My guess is over 90% can't unless it is a special treat. I get the fair trade and agree with it. However, you are not understanding that while probably 90% support your opinion, 90% can't pay those prices. Life is what it is.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 17, 2020 17:07:30 GMT -5
Of course it's expensive. That's what happens when you don't use free slave labour. Same with coffee. Fair Trade ensures that the farmer gets a fair deal and that the workers are paid living wages. I only buy Fair Trade coffee. I can even get a variety at my local chain grocery store. Glad you can afford the chocolates and coffee. My guess is over 90% can't unless it is a special treat. I get the fair trade and agree with it. However, you are not understanding that while probably 90% support your opinion, 90% can't pay those prices. Life is what it is. probably half the US population can't afford decent food, to extend the argument a bit further.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 17, 2020 17:14:45 GMT -5
Sometimes. It all depends. For example, I don't eat at Chik-fil-a anymore. I don't shop at Hobby Lobby. Admittedly, it was easy to take the stances I did, when I did, because they weren't in my area at the time I developed those views. I don't shop at Walmart either. Or buy Tyson.
I'm rethinking my chocolate options after running across a list of chocolate company ratings.
Have you tried theo chocolate. It is a fair trade company and their chocolate is really good. Always knew TheOtherMe was good to have around - as well as DS1 who goes by that (his middle) name
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 17, 2020 17:57:24 GMT -5
I don't shop at Hobby Lobby or Home Depot. Home Depot is over an hour from me so that isn't hard. We have Lowes.
I would not go to Chik-fil-a, but that is easy as I am a vegetarian.
The local coffee shop that I frequent uses fair trade products to make my latte.
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