Two black man found hanging in trees in CA

[Opti]

and they want us to believe its suicide?

www.vox.com/2020/6/15/21291465/robert-fuller-palmdale-california-malcolm-harsch-hanging

Although the investigation is ongoing, it appears Mr. Fuller, tragically, committed suicide,” the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said in a statement Friday.

“Sadly, it is not the first such incident since the COVID-19 pandemic began,” the city of Palmdale said in a statement, according to CNN. “The city remains committed to addressing mental health issues during these difficult times. We are in this together.”

But his family, too, were deeply skeptical. “Everything that they’ve been telling us has not been right,” Alexander said at a rally on Saturday. “We’ve been hearing one thing. Then we hear another. And we just want to know the truth.”

Many others shared their skepticism. “Why was it right here in public, in front of City Hall, next to a church, in front of a library?” said one woman at a press conference on Friday, according to the Times. “Why was it like that? Who would do that? No black man would hang himself in public like that.”

May 31, Malcolm Harsch, 38, was found outside a library in Victorville, California, about 50 miles away from Palmdale. The investigation into his death is ongoing, but his family is worried it will be ruled a suicide, according to the New York Times.
After firefighters found Harsch’s body apparently hanged with a USB cable, authorities told his family they did not suspect foul play.

[Opti]

Another article on this with pics of the two men


www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-said-no-foul-play-in-deaths-of-2-black-men-hanging-from-trees-but-families-are-skeptical/ar-BB15vx2q?ocid=spartanntp

[Opti]

Local one. Does anyone know if these areas of California tend to be racist?


theavtimes.com/2020/06/11/suspected-suicide-body-found-hanging-from-tree-in-poncitlan-square-palmdale-issues-statement/


PALMDALE – The body of a man in his 20s was found hanging from a tree Wednesday near Palmdale City Hall, authorities said.

The body was found around 4 a.m. Wednesday, June 10, with a rope around the man’s neck, hanging from a tree in Poncitlan Square, according to Lt. Brandon Dean of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department’s Homicide Bureau.


All indicators point to a suicide, Dean said, but investigators are waiting for full autopsy results and information from the man’s next of kin regarding past issues with mental illness.




Sure Dean sure. Because it couldn't possibly be white people you know protesting the protests by killing a black man and hanging him near a government building. No it would be a black man, going against type by offing himself in public and making it look like a lynching. 

[billisonboard]

Jun 15, 2020 17:21:01 GMT -5 Opti said:

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All indicators point to a suicide, Dean said, but investigators are waiting for full autopsy results and information from the man’s next of kin regarding past issues with mental illness.




Sure Dean sure. Because it couldn't possibly be white people you know protesting the protests by killing a black man and hanging him near a government building. No it would be a man, a black man, going against type in most people who are suicidal by offing himself in public and making it look like a lynching. 

Why would white people kill someone to protest the protests and make it look like a suicide?

[Opti]

He's hanging from a tree in a very public area. It does not look like a suicide unless you are whitesplaining why you won't investigate or even worse why you don't want to spend any money on investigating.

ETA: My research thus far on people hanging themselves on trees is the usual preference is a forest. 

[billisonboard]

Jun 15, 2020 18:39:50 GMT -5 Opti said:

He's hanging from a tree. It does not look like a suicide unless you are whitesplaining why you won't investigate or even worse why you don't want to spend any money on investigating.

From your quote from your link:

... but investigators are waiting for full autopsy results and information from the man’s next of kin regarding past issues with mental illness.

The use of the word "but" indicates the case is not closed.

Are you basing the fact that it doesn't look like suicide solely on the single fact that it was a tree he was hanging from? Hanging in general? I don't know exactly what "indicators" point to suicide but I am thinking that the s area surrounding the tree would yield some good evidence to show if it were the act of an individual or if more were involved.

[mary2029]

I wouldn't rule out suicide. My brother committed suicide by hanging when he was in his late 40s. Yes, it was questionable at the time as he didn't run in the nicest crowd. The police did track his final steps and what was there at the scene showed it was suicide.  

[Tennesseer]

Jun 15, 2020 19:34:33 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

I wouldn't rule out suicide. My brother committed suicide by hanging when he was in his late 40s. Yes, it was questionable at the time as he didn't run in the nicest crowd. The police did track his final steps and what was there at the scene showed it was suicide.  

My condolences.

Let the investigations continue.

[happyhoix]

Jun 15, 2020 19:34:33 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

I wouldn't rule out suicide. My brother committed suicide by hanging when he was in his late 40s. Yes, it was questionable at the time as he didn't run in the nicest crowd. The police did track his final steps and what was there at the scene showed it was suicide.  

Very sorry for your loss

[happyhoix]

One of them was found near a homeless campground but I don’t know if he was homeless himself.

There isn’t enough to go by yet. Families often don’t believe their relatives would commit suicide- that’s a natural response- but hopefully the coroner will do a good investigation.

[laterbloomer]

Jun 15, 2020 18:34:01 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 15, 2020 17:21:01 GMT -5 Opti said:

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All indicators point to a suicide, Dean said, but investigators are waiting for full autopsy results and information from the man’s next of kin regarding past issues with mental illness.




Sure Dean sure. Because it couldn't possibly be white people you know protesting the protests by killing a black man and hanging him near a government building. No it would be a man, a black man, going against type in most people who are suicidal by offing himself in public and making it look like a lynching. 

Why would white people kill someone to protest the protests and make it look like a suicide?

Making it look like suicide is to get away with it. Hanging is lynching, it's to threaten and taunt black people.
And people criticize rioting over this shit.

[laterbloomer]

Isn't Mitch McConnell holding up an antj lynching law right now?

[Tennesseer]

Jun 15, 2020 20:30:48 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Isn't Mitch McConnell holding up an antj lynching law right now?

The other senator from Kentucky is holding up its passage: Rand Paul.

[Opti]

Jun 15, 2020 19:10:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 15, 2020 18:39:50 GMT -5 Opti said:

He's hanging from a tree. It does not look like a suicide unless you are whitesplaining why you won't investigate or even worse why you don't want to spend any money on investigating.

From your quote from your link:

... but investigators are waiting for full autopsy results and information from the man’s next of kin regarding past issues with mental illness.

The use of the word "but" indicates the case is not closed.

Are you basing the fact that it doesn't look like suicide solely on the single fact that it was a tree he was hanging from? Hanging in general? I don't know exactly what "indicators" point to suicide but I am thinking that the s area surrounding the tree would yield some good evidence to show if it were the act of an individual or if more were involved.

Not necessarily. Ahamad Arbery's death was initially ruled a justifiable self defense death. Only because of the video was it shown to be otherwise. Lack of evidence does not translate into no evidence exists. A coworker had a cousin whose death recently was ruled a suicide. Even though they found evidence he was running to the river he drowned in and family reports he was concerned he would be killed soon, they can't prove anyone did anything so its easiest to just rule it a suicide.

If they had shot themselves or even hung themselves at home, I likely wouldn't question it as much. But its very public and both families believe they had no desire to do so. Here's a link that had a video of law enforcement talking about the case. Unfortunately it timed out to something else. They did not find much at the scene. And it seemed they were dancing around answering some things. In specific it appeared one official was very reluctant to acknowledge that while people may hang themselves in a very public place, it is not that common.
news.yahoo.com/l-sheriff-hanging-death-robert-154118375.html

[billisonboard]

I think it is good to question. 

[billisonboard]

"On behalf of the family of Malcolm Harsch, unfortunately it seems he did take his own life," Najee Ali, a family spokesman told CNN. "The Victorville Police Department officials released new video evidence to family members. The family wants to sincerely thank everyone for their support and prayers." link

[mary2029]

Thanks for the update Bill.