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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 14, 2020 17:43:33 GMT -5
And then we will hear the sob stories about being left with medical bills, but any kind of change in the system would be an abomination! And don't forget that that will be a perfect time to spout some of that "brown, rapist, bad hombre" shit again because it is their fault that YOU ended up with those bills. If the baddies hadn't come to live of YOUR tax money there would be plenty to go around to pay for you. As I said - culling of the herd The only problem with culling the herd like this is the collateral damage that is done to people who ARE concerned with their safety, including all the HCP who will be called upon to treat them.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 14, 2020 18:16:45 GMT -5
Lots of suffering to go along with culling the herd. Wonder how many deaths until we really pay attention. Apparently 100k and about 900-1000 a day is not enough
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jun 15, 2020 10:13:14 GMT -5
I find it truly depressing that so many of us (me included) have given up on our fellow citizens. I don't want anyone to get sick, but find it hard to care about people who don't care about taking any precautions.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 15, 2020 10:32:53 GMT -5
The last thing I want is for people to get sick. But if you refuse to follow medical advice, and do things that put you at risk, then my empathy only extends so far. Unfortunately, in this instance, irresponsible people hurt more than themselves, and that is what I find unconscionable. Put only yourself at risk, it is a free country. Sort of like your right to swing your arm ends at my face scenario. What is infuriating, s they take risks, and then expect us to save them and put ourselves at risk. All because you want to be stupid. We will do our job and care for you. The least you could do isnot make our job harder. Apparently that is too much to ask anymore.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 15, 2020 10:39:06 GMT -5
My five year old is more insightful than some people. We were talking yesterday and she goes "People don't care about COVID mommy. I don't get it. You can die. Why don't people care about not dying?"
Excellent question kiddo.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 15, 2020 10:50:52 GMT -5
Because it is not going to happen to them. lots of magical thinking goes into it. Same thing with smoking, driving 90 MPH, eating a poor diet, not checking their blood sugars with diabetes, not exercising, not taking your medications, etc. Then when it happens to them, they are shocked, angry, blaming everyone else. Hard to understand, but it is the way that it goes.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 15, 2020 10:53:51 GMT -5
DH's HR department has declared COVID "over" and won't make any more accomodations for people. If COVID is "over" then why are they still having people work from home and masks are going to be required when they come back?
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Post by dondub on Jun 15, 2020 11:43:21 GMT -5
Out here Gov. Inslee has extended protections until Aug. 1st so Donnadub remains off work at full pay. She is just using her accumulated sick pay. Her work place remains unsafe with no social distancing protocols. They get masks, the patients are mostly older as it’s an oncology clinic. If they don’t figure out how to create a safer space, or even show some higher level of giving a shit, she may retire Aug. 2. Was probably going to by year end anyway as she is 66 now.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 15, 2020 11:46:32 GMT -5
My five year old is more insightful than some people. We were talking yesterday and she goes "People don't care about COVID mommy. I don't get it. You can die. Why don't people care about not dying?" Excellent question kiddo. Honestly, I think the possibility of what Covid could really be is so huge and so upsetting, we have huge swaths of people that are in denial. I know I am in a bit of denial. I am trying to push through and do the right thing, but, you know...
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 15, 2020 11:59:28 GMT -5
Tomorrow's here
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 15, 2020 12:36:15 GMT -5
The last thing I want is for people to get sick. But if you refuse to follow medical advice, and do things that put you at risk, then my empathy only extends so far. Unfortunately, in this instance, irresponsible people hurt more than themselves, and that is what I find unconscionable. Put only yourself at risk, it is a free country. Sort of like your right to swing your arm ends at my face scenario. What is infuriating, s they take risks, and then expect us to save them and put ourselves at risk. All because you want to be stupid. We will do our job and care for you. The least you could do isnot make our job harder. Apparently that is too much to ask anymore. Saw an article about a 50 something year old trump supporter who didn’t think Covid was that serious, until he wound up in the hospital for 3 weeks. His wife was on a respirator and not expected to make it. So he said now he thinks it’s serious. Some people have to learn the hard way.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 15, 2020 12:48:55 GMT -5
I know, some people have to touch the stove. Less suffering if we didn't have to do it
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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 15, 2020 13:08:56 GMT -5
I find it truly depressing that so many of us (me included) have given up on our fellow citizens. I don't want anyone to get sick, but find it hard to care about people who don't care about taking any precautions. and caring about them is made more difficult because so many refuse to wear a mask thereby proving that they don't care a sh*t about my health or that of my loved ones
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jun 15, 2020 13:44:03 GMT -5
The argument I see made on Facebook is that people are protesting (and/or rioting and looting) in large numbers without masks or social distancing, so why shouldn't people go to the beach or other outdoor activities without masks or social distancing.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 15, 2020 14:31:34 GMT -5
The argument I see made on Facebook is that people are protesting (and/or rioting and looting) in large numbers without masks or social distancing, so why shouldn't people go to the beach or other outdoor activities without masks or social distancing. Might as well double down, it's not like we can make it any worse/s.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 15, 2020 17:20:57 GMT -5
The Facebook thing that pisses me off is not just "Screw you, I'm not wearing a mask" but instead "Here is a list of reasons why you SHOULDN'T wear a mask" and, by the way, it is written by a nurse, and for some reason, that nurse that we don't know because this was shared a bunch of times, is more trustworthy than the CDC or a doctor they don't know.
If you want to not wear a mask - whatever, I'm not getting on you. But you don't need to convince everyone you know to ignore the experts and not wear a mask. Just quietly do your thing.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 15, 2020 17:31:50 GMT -5
The Facebook thing that pisses me off is not just "Screw you, I'm not wearing a mask" but instead "Here is a list of reasons why you SHOULDN'T wear a mask" and, by the way, it is written by a nurse, and for some reason, that nurse that we don't know because this was shared a bunch of times, is more trustworthy than the CDC or a doctor they don't know. If you want to not wear a mask - whatever, I'm not getting on you. But you don't need to convince everyone you know to ignore the experts and not wear a mask. Just quietly do your thing. This is always a good one. Frequently, family members want me to speak to a distant relative who is a doctor or a nurse. Always good for a laugh when I ask what specialty and they say psychiatry. They know as much about critical care as I know about psychiatry. The conversations are almost always cordial because they are apologetic and realize their lack of knowledge. I wouldn’t take advice about psychiatry from me. Even if I am a physician. Specialty matters. Unless of course, if you stayed in a Holiday inn express, then you are an expert
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I was never his base, but somehow I'm on the Republican junkmailing list. A young man rang my doorbell this morning. He said he was from the Republican National party, and asked me to do a survey. I hate people coming to my door for crap like this or selling stuff (especially when it's cold out and I have to stand in the doorway), so I try to get them to go away as quickly as possible. I just flat out told him that I wasn't voting for any Republicans. He wished me a good day, and I responded in kind, and that was that. Last 4th of July I went to the grocery store, and the bagger was wearing a 2020 trump MAGA. As soon as I got to the parking lot I called the manager and complained. She stated she had received numerous complaints. I called again from my landline when I got home. I asked if their store (part of Kroger) promoted this behavior by employees. He was a kid, but really, mgmt should not have let him on the floor with that shirt even though I live in a very GOP area. Would you have complained about someone with Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton gear?
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jun 16, 2020 16:05:05 GMT -5
The Facebook thing that pisses me off is not just "Screw you, I'm not wearing a mask" but instead "Here is a list of reasons why you SHOULDN'T wear a mask" and, by the way, it is written by a nurse, and for some reason, that nurse that we don't know because this was shared a bunch of times, is more trustworthy than the CDC or a doctor they don't know. If you want to not wear a mask - whatever, I'm not getting on you. But you don't need to convince everyone you know to ignore the experts and not wear a mask. Just quietly do your thing. For a while, the experts were saying that ordinary people out and about don’t need to wear a mask. I’m not sure if they just didn’t know that mask would be useful or if they were trying to prevent ordinary people from vacuuming up all the PPE. For the record, my family wears masks when we go out.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 16, 2020 16:18:57 GMT -5
The Facebook thing that pisses me off is not just "Screw you, I'm not wearing a mask" but instead "Here is a list of reasons why you SHOULDN'T wear a mask" and, by the way, it is written by a nurse, and for some reason, that nurse that we don't know because this was shared a bunch of times, is more trustworthy than the CDC or a doctor they don't know. If you want to not wear a mask - whatever, I'm not getting on you. But you don't need to convince everyone you know to ignore the experts and not wear a mask. Just quietly do your thing. For a while, the experts were saying that ordinary people out and about don’t need to wear a mask. I’m not sure if they just didn’t know that mask would be useful or if they were trying to prevent ordinary people from vacuuming up all the PPE. For the record, my family wears masks when we go out. Initially, when masks were in short supply, they were not recommended so they could be saved for medical personnel. Later, a consensus emerged, suggesting their use, and data has confirmed that. Seriously, the complaining about how information changed over the last few months is ridiculous. This is a new disease, and things will change, sometimes quickly, as we get smarter about it. Or would you prefer we stayed at the blood-letting and leeches stage. The hell with all of you and other conservatives who are too stupid to realize that. How about I treat this as we did 2 months ago, ignoring all we have learned. That sound good to you?
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jun 16, 2020 17:49:45 GMT -5
Last 4th of July I went to the grocery store, and the bagger was wearing a 2020 trump MAGA. As soon as I got to the parking lot I called the manager and complained. She stated she had received numerous complaints. I called again from my landline when I got home. I asked if their store (part of Kroger) promoted this behavior by employees. He was a kid, but really, mgmt should not have let him on the floor with that shirt even though I live in a very GOP area. Would you have complained about someone with Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton gear? Yes I would have. Also if it had a graphic message. Political beliefs should not be in the work place, ESPECIALLY when all the others were wearing the company work shirts. I would kick my kids ass if he showed up at work in a Biden tshirt. He has a uniform tshirt.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jun 16, 2020 17:55:55 GMT -5
Last 4th of July I went to the grocery store, and the bagger was wearing a 2020 trump MAGA. As soon as I got to the parking lot I called the manager and complained. She stated she had received numerous complaints. I called again from my landline when I got home. I asked if their store (part of Kroger) promoted this behavior by employees. He was a kid, but really, mgmt should not have let him on the floor with that shirt even though I live in a very GOP area. Would you have complained about someone with Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton gear? Every company I have ever worked for has an employee handbook with appropriate dress at work. I am sure Kroger does too. Sunday's during football season employees are allowed to wear sports shirts. I live in Packer country. Some employees wear Bears gear. I'm not going to call mgmt on that. It's a friendly rivalry, NOT a political statement.
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Maybe you know (although, certainly not your profession). When someone is researching new drugs, do they have the scatter shot approach? Like, hey, I heard this compound does x y z, will it work for us here, and if it works a little or doesn't work, they look for something else, or try combining things, etc? I have always assumed that wasn't unusual. But it seems like every time someone gets an idea, it makes the news, and if it doesn't work out, people think that no one knows what they are doing. But is it just that is how it is done - but people are dumb?
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The last thing I want is for people to get sick. But if you refuse to follow medical advice, and do things that put you at risk, then my empathy only extends so far. Unfortunately, in this instance, irresponsible people hurt more than themselves, and that is what I find unconscionable. Put only yourself at risk, it is a free country. Sort of like your right to swing your arm ends at my face scenario. What is infuriating, s they take risks, and then expect us to save them and put ourselves at risk. All because you want to be stupid. We will do our job and care for you. The least you could do isnot make our job harder. Apparently that is too much to ask anymore. It is absolutely not too much to ask. And if no one has said so lately, know that many of us do appreciate what our medical professionals are doing to try to help us get through this, and we understand that doing that means that you all are putting yourselves at risk to do so. Thank you.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jun 16, 2020 18:19:16 GMT -5
For a while, the experts were saying that ordinary people out and about don’t need to wear a mask. I’m not sure if they just didn’t know that mask would be useful or if they were trying to prevent ordinary people from vacuuming up all the PPE. For the record, my family wears masks when we go out. Initially, when masks were in short supply, they were not recommended so they could be saved for medical personnel. Later, a consensus emerged, suggesting their use, and data has confirmed that. Seriously, the complaining about how information changed over the last few months is ridiculous. This is a new disease, and things will change, sometimes quickly, as we get smarter about it. Or would you prefer we stayed at the blood-letting and leeches stage. The hell with all of you and other conservatives who are too stupid to realize that. How about I treat this as we did 2 months ago, ignoring all we have learned. That sound good to you? I agree. You can’t very well expect medical professionals to know exactly what to do with a brand new virus. I have to wonder if that silly anti-mask Facebook post was written months ago when the experts were saying no Masks. It is interesting though who is and is not allowed to make mistakes falls on party lines. For Libs, blue state leaders are given a pass for making the same mistakes that Trump is condemned for. For the conservatives, any mistake on the part of the experts means that they should keep their mouths shut.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 16, 2020 18:58:38 GMT -5
PMD Maybe you know (although, certainly not your profession). When someone is researching new drugs, do they have the scatter shot approach? Like, hey, I heard this compound does x y z, will it work for us here, and if it works a little or doesn't work, they look for something else, or try combining things, etc? I have always assumed that wasn't unusual. But it seems like every time someone gets an idea, it makes the news, and if it doesn't work out, people think that no one knows what they are doing. But is it just that is how it is done - but people are dumb? Science is messy. The problem is that pre-internet, information traveled less quickly, so the contradictory advice wasn’t public, so people didn’t see it. Sort of like a pendulum swinging back and forth but eventually settling down in the middle. It would be nice if things were neat, but they are not. In a disaster such as this, everyone throws everything against the wall, hoping something sticks. Is it the best approach, probably not, but we are trying to save lives. Drug research is done both as a directed approach, based on science, as well as serendipitously where you try anything and see if it works. As I said, it can be messy
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 16, 2020 19:04:44 GMT -5
Initially, when masks were in short supply, they were not recommended so they could be saved for medical personnel. Later, a consensus emerged, suggesting their use, and data has confirmed that. Seriously, the complaining about how information changed over the last few months is ridiculous. This is a new disease, and things will change, sometimes quickly, as we get smarter about it. Or would you prefer we stayed at the blood-letting and leeches stage. The hell with all of you and other conservatives who are too stupid to realize that. How about I treat this as we did 2 months ago, ignoring all we have learned. That sound good to you? I agree. You can’t very well expect medical professionals to know exactly what to do with a brand new virus. I have to wonder if that silly anti-mask Facebook post was written months ago when the experts were saying no Masks. It is interesting though who is and is not allowed to make mistakes falls on party lines. For Libs, blue state leaders are given a pass for making the same mistakes that Trump is condemned for. For the conservatives, any mistake on the part of the experts means that they should keep their mouths shut. You keep trying to absolve trump. He is the president, if he is not responsible, then why the hell is he president. A ceo who presided over this disaster would be out of a job. Are you going to rehire him. And when conservatives start to criticize trump, then you can complain about them not criticizing governors. Although, I see plenty of criticism Directed at newsome. Senators and republican Congress critters need to get some balls, because they sure had a cow about Obama’s. Brown suit, but the have had very little to say about trumps performance. Now we have pence lying about the numbers in OK. But continue to defend the indefensible. One last question, is Trump ultimately responsible for a national disaster response, or not?
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jun 16, 2020 19:23:50 GMT -5
former what happened to trumps remarks that we have only 15 cases and they are all going to go away. It will be magical. Discredited the medical professionals for his own political gain and now we have over 115,000 Americans dead. trump is the Commander in LIES!!! Not a Commander in Chief.
With Pence's lies today, I really hope 60K people show up in Tulsa with no masks on Saturday. former, go check it out and report back to us please and thank you
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Our church is going to have an actual service this next Sunday for those who want to attend. The church hierarchy dictates that masks have to be worn and people have to socially distance.
The church office got complaints from members who claim it's violating their freedom to have to wear masks, and it will scare their children.
Needless to say, I'm not going to church for a long while. They're still providing video over Facebook so I can watch that way. I'll let the freedom lovers cram the pews with their easily frightened kids.
We're fucked.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Jun 16, 2020 20:03:15 GMT -5
Our church is going to have an actual service this next Sunday for those who want to attend. The church hierarchy dictates that masks have to be worn and people have to socially distance. The church office got complaints from members who claim it's violating their freedom to have to wear masks, and it will scare their children. Needless to say, I'm not going to church for a long while. They're still providing video over Facebook so I can watch that way. I'll let the freedom lovers cram the pews with their easily frightened kids. We're fucked. Some idiot on FB was posting that airlines requiring masks was the govt trying to take away his freedom. I said if you don't like it, drive with no mask on. These are private businesses/orgs making their own choices. But because dipshit trump and pence and all the idiots were in the Rose garden close together, they think why should I wear a mask. I told him to go to Walmart with no shirt and shoes and claim that is his freedom. Morons!!
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