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Post by thyme4change on Jun 13, 2020 11:58:09 GMT -5
If they are making fun of Gen X, they should have used the name Heather. (As in Heathers). That would be appropriate!
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Post by Opti on Jun 13, 2020 14:01:37 GMT -5
If they are making fun of Gen X, they should have used the name Heather. (As in Heathers). That would be appropriate! I don't think those who popularized this were intending to target Gen X. Even if the stereotype was a white mom in her 40s who acted like an entitled bitch in stores. Karen is only 5 letters so its easier to type than Heather or other names.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2020 18:50:26 GMT -5
We do it to men too with names like Bubba. We just do it to them for different reasons. For me giving it a single name is just easier and faster. And as a white woman I can tell you it isn't very traumatizing. I have actually used it in situations where I needed to assert myself, as in"you better take care of this or my inner Karen is going to come out" ETA - the version I have heard about is demanding and difficult, not bigoted or racist. I haven't threatened to get racist with anyone. We do it with men on a much lesser scale. When have you heard someone say so and so is being such a Bubba? Are there hashtags #NYBubba? I was told once Karen was allegedly a meme of demanding women in their 40s wearing tracksuits. Why the name Karen was chosen escapes me. Now some people have decided Karen should mean assholes like Amy, 41, from Canada actively showing how well she lies and how willing she is to use race to trash a black man just because she doesn't want to leash her dog. Which she is required to according to signs. Maybe as a white woman not named Karen, this doesn't bug you much. What if you were named Karen? Would you embrace it knowing Donald Trump has been called your first name? Would you feel this is a great way to assert yourself with your name working with more black people than any other race? Given the current climate would you feel unconcerned using your name while searching for jobs? People do get discriminated because of their names. Bubba might have to try much harder with more firms to get a job on Wall Street. There are people who send out resumes with different names with the same resume for jobs who have shown how Lashonda has a harder time than Ashley getting certain jobs and how having female names get you less interest than males ones. For fun reading, here's an article I found. The guy is wrong about the popularity of the name though. It peaked in the 1950s, possibly 1955 or 1957. I don't remember. I did a bunch of research on that name and some others, and I know Karen as a popular name was already in its decline from its high before 1960. www.chron.com/news/article/How-Karen-went-from-a-popular-baby-name-to-a-15335293.phpI think someone whose real name is Bubba would have a much harder time trying to be taken seriously than someone named Karen. I think most people that use Karen to describe a certain type of woman, understand that most women whose real name is Karen are probably decent people. But someone whose real name is Bubba? People probably would expect them to be like one of the stereotypes if they just saw the name without meeting the person behind the name.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 13, 2020 20:49:40 GMT -5
Memes with cats often have the cat calling its human 'Karen'.
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We now have a Karen and a Ken. 'What she did is polite racism': San Francisco man says white couple called police for stenciling 'Black Lives Matter' on his own propertyA San Francisco man said a white couple called the police after they saw him stenciling "Black Lives Matter" in chalk onto his own property. James Juanillo, who identifies as a person of color, posted a video to Twitter Friday showing his encounter with the man and woman, identified only as Lisa and Robert. The video begins with the couple asking Juanillo if he was "defacing private property" moments after he finished writing the phrase on a retaining wall outside of his home. "If I did live here, and this was my property, this would be absolutely fine? And you don't know if I live here, if this is my property?" Juanillo asked. Juanillo told ABC7 News, "She thought this was devaluing someone's property. She knew it was chalk, she knew this would wash away in the rain. That leaves only the message to be problematic." Lisa then claimed that she knew Juanillo didn't own the property because they "know the person who does live here." Juanillo encouraged them to call the police if they feel unsafe, which they eventually did. "The police came and recognized me immediately as a resident of the house and left without getting out of their patrol car. I didn't even show them my ID," Juanillo said. Brad Gilbertson is one of the owners of the property, and says he doesn't know the couple in the video. "She just claimed she knew the owner of the house. She doesn't know me. I thought she was out of line," said Gilbertson. Rear of article here: 'What she did is polite racism': San Francisco man says white couple called police for stenciling 'Black Lives Matter' on his own property
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We now have a Karen and a Ken. 'What she did is polite racism': San Francisco man says white couple called police for stenciling 'Black Lives Matter' on his own propertyA San Francisco man said a white couple called the police after they saw him stenciling "Black Lives Matter" in chalk onto his own property. James Juanillo, who identifies as a person of color, posted a video to Twitter Friday showing his encounter with the man and woman, identified only as Lisa and Robert. The video begins with the couple asking Juanillo if he was "defacing private property" moments after he finished writing the phrase on a retaining wall outside of his home. "If I did live here, and this was my property, this would be absolutely fine? And you don't know if I live here, if this is my property?" Juanillo asked. Juanillo told ABC7 News, "She thought this was devaluing someone's property. She knew it was chalk, she knew this would wash away in the rain. That leaves only the message to be problematic." Lisa then claimed that she knew Juanillo didn't own the property because they "know the person who does live here." Juanillo encouraged them to call the police if they feel unsafe, which they eventually did. "The police came and recognized me immediately as a resident of the house and left without getting out of their patrol car. I didn't even show them my ID," Juanillo said. Brad Gilbertson is one of the owners of the property, and says he doesn't know the couple in the video. "She just claimed she knew the owner of the house. She doesn't know me. I thought she was out of line," said Gilbertson. Rear of article here: 'What she did is polite racism': San Francisco man says white couple called police for stenciling 'Black Lives Matter' on his own propertyAll he had to do was say he owned the house. He egged them on into calling the police. I don't like this story.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 14, 2020 17:10:42 GMT -5
We now have a Karen and a Ken. 'What she did is polite racism': San Francisco man says white couple called police for stenciling 'Black Lives Matter' on his own propertyA San Francisco man said a white couple called the police after they saw him stenciling "Black Lives Matter" in chalk onto his own property. James Juanillo, who identifies as a person of color, posted a video to Twitter Friday showing his encounter with the man and woman, identified only as Lisa and Robert. The video begins with the couple asking Juanillo if he was "defacing private property" moments after he finished writing the phrase on a retaining wall outside of his home. "If I did live here, and this was my property, this would be absolutely fine? And you don't know if I live here, if this is my property?" Juanillo asked. Juanillo told ABC7 News, "She thought this was devaluing someone's property. She knew it was chalk, she knew this would wash away in the rain. That leaves only the message to be problematic." Lisa then claimed that she knew Juanillo didn't own the property because they "know the person who does live here." Juanillo encouraged them to call the police if they feel unsafe, which they eventually did. "The police came and recognized me immediately as a resident of the house and left without getting out of their patrol car. I didn't even show them my ID," Juanillo said. Brad Gilbertson is one of the owners of the property, and says he doesn't know the couple in the video. "She just claimed she knew the owner of the house. She doesn't know me. I thought she was out of line," said Gilbertson. Rear of article here: 'What she did is polite racism': San Francisco man says white couple called police for stenciling 'Black Lives Matter' on his own propertyAll he had to do was say he owned the house. He egged them on into calling the police. I don't like this story. Then the man in Central Park egged the woman with the dog to call the police too. The woman lied to him and told him she knew the home owners. He was the home owner. Most all of these 'Karens' are about threatening to call the police and the person(s) who are on the receiving end of these threats tell the busybodies to go ahead-call the police.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 14, 2020 17:19:11 GMT -5
He shouldn't have to say he owned the property though. They had already made up their minds that he was NOT the property owner. He's black. How could he live there? <eye roll>
I would have done the same thing and then laughed when they were made to look like the racist assholes they are.
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All he had to do was say he owned the house. He egged them on into calling the police. I don't like this story. Then the man in Central Park egged the woman with the dog to call the police too. The woman lied to him and told him she knew the home owners. He was the home owner. Most all of these 'Karens' are about threatening to call the police and the person(s) who are on the receiving end of these threats tell the busybodies to go ahead-call the police. No, that woman threatened to call the police when she was the one doing something wrong. If someone I didn't recognise was putting political messages up on property in my neighbourhood I can see myself questioning it. No matter what the message was. I hope my neighbours would do it for me if it was my house. It's like being asked for id at the bank. A pain in the ass when it's me, but I'm sure glad they are doing it if someone else is trying to access my account.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 14, 2020 17:53:48 GMT -5
Then the man in Central Park egged the woman with the dog to call the police too. The woman lied to him and told him she knew the home owners. He was the home owner. Most all of these 'Karens' are about threatening to call the police and the person(s) who are on the receiving end of these threats tell the busybodies to go ahead-call the police. No, that woman threatened to call the police when she was the one doing something wrong. If someone I didn't recognise was putting political messages up on property in my neighbourhood I can see myself questioning it. No matter what the message was. I hope my neighbours would do it for me if it was my house. It's like being asked for id at the bank. A pain in the ass when it's me, but I'm sure glad they are doing it if someone else is trying to access my account. Then don't go about it by asking the person if they are the property owner.... Introduce yourself, talk to them like a human and gently inquire when they moved into the neighborhood since you hadn't seen them before. There are better ways to approach people rather than calling the police.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jun 14, 2020 17:57:17 GMT -5
No, that woman threatened to call the police when she was the one doing something wrong. If someone I didn't recognise was putting political messages up on property in my neighbourhood I can see myself questioning it. No matter what the message was. I hope my neighbours would do it for me if it was my house. It's like being asked for id at the bank. A pain in the ass when it's me, but I'm sure glad they are doing it if someone else is trying to access my account. Then don't go about it by asking the person if they are the property owner.... Introduce yourself, talk to them like a human and gently inquire when they moved into the neighborhood since you hadn't seen them before. There are better ways to approach people rather than calling the police. Meh, they could have. But this won't be the hill I die on.
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We now have a Karen and a Ken. 'What she did is polite racism': San Francisco man says white couple called police for stenciling 'Black Lives Matter' on his own propertyA San Francisco man said a white couple called the police after they saw him stenciling "Black Lives Matter" in chalk onto his own property. James Juanillo, who identifies as a person of color, posted a video to Twitter Friday showing his encounter with the man and woman, identified only as Lisa and Robert. The video begins with the couple asking Juanillo if he was "defacing private property" moments after he finished writing the phrase on a retaining wall outside of his home. "If I did live here, and this was my property, this would be absolutely fine? And you don't know if I live here, if this is my property?" Juanillo asked. Juanillo told ABC7 News, "She thought this was devaluing someone's property. She knew it was chalk, she knew this would wash away in the rain. That leaves only the message to be problematic." Lisa then claimed that she knew Juanillo didn't own the property because they "know the person who does live here." Juanillo encouraged them to call the police if they feel unsafe, which they eventually did. "The police came and recognized me immediately as a resident of the house and left without getting out of their patrol car. I didn't even show them my ID," Juanillo said. Brad Gilbertson is one of the owners of the property, and says he doesn't know the couple in the video. "She just claimed she knew the owner of the house. She doesn't know me. I thought she was out of line," said Gilbertson. Rear of article here: 'What she did is polite racism': San Francisco man says white couple called police for stenciling 'Black Lives Matter' on his own propertyAll he had to do was say he owned the house. He egged them on into calling the police. I don't like this story. He didn't owe her an explanation. She was just some random person looking for an excuse to cause trouble. If she was worried that he was committing a crime, the rational thing to do is to have involved someone with the authority to intervene, not to start making demands of the supposed criminal or start an argument with him. She was already convinced he didn't own the home, so why would his telling her he did have any effect other than to enrage her further? It is not unlike the much less significant and certainly less dangerous and fraught situation I have on occasion experienced myself when parking in a "Veterans Only" space at the grocery store. I've been confronted by busybodies determined to shame me for stealing a space from a veteran. I do tell them that I'm a veteran and entitled to use the space, and I continue on my way. This is often sufficient, but not always. The thing with the really committed busybodies is that they are always sure they are right. They're not asking to be informed, they are asking because they want to show someone up as a rule/lawbreaker; no answer that contradicts their preconceived idea is acceptable. So, telling them that I am a veteran is sometimes not enough for the really committed busybody and they demand proof. For those folks, I tell them that I'll be in the store for about 45 minutes, long enough for them to summon whatever authorities they feel would be appropriate to the situation, and I will be happy to show the appropriate authorities the "Veteran" endorsement on my driver's license and a copy of my DD214, but I'm not giving any personal information to some random loon who thinks he's (and it's always a man who won't accept that I'm a veteran) Rambo. This woman strikes me as one of the really committed busybodies. She even claimed to know the owner of the house, which was a lie since she was talking to him and clearly did not know him. The homeowner had no reason to believe that telling her he was the owner of the house would get her to stop harassing him, especially once she claimed to know the "real" owner. I don't think telling her to call the police was egging her on at all; it was a perfectly reasonable response. ETA: To the best of my knowledge, no one has actually taken me up on my suggestion to involve someone in authority; at least, there has never been anyone waiting for me when I have returned to my car after shopping. I guess that doesn't mean the busybodies haven't called them; just that if they did, it wasn't considered something that was thought to be worth investigating. ETA (part deux): Does anyone think that the woman would have confronted or harassed the man doing the stenciling on his own property if he had been white?
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All he had to do was say he owned the house. He egged them on into calling the police. I don't like this story. He didn't owe her an explanation. She was just some random person looking for an excuse to cause trouble. If she was worried that he was committing a crime, the rational thing to do is to have involved someone with the authority to intervene, not to start making demands of the supposed criminal or start an argument with him. She was already convinced he didn't own the home, so why would his telling her he did have any effect other than to enrage her further? It is not unlike the much less significant and certainly less dangerous and fraught situation I have on occasion experienced myself when parking in a "Veterans Only" space at the grocery store. I've been confronted by busybodies determined to shame me for stealing a space from a veteran. I do tell them that I'm a veteran and entitled to use the space, and I continue on my way. This is often sufficient, but not always. The thing with the really committed busybodies is that they are always sure they are right. They're not asking to be informed, they are asking because they want to show someone up as a rule/lawbreaker; no answer that contradicts their preconceived idea is acceptable. So, telling them that I am a veteran is sometimes not enough for the really committed busybody and they demand proof. For those folks, I tell them that I'll be in the store for about 45 minutes, long enough for them to summon whatever authorities they feel would be appropriate to the situation, and I will be happy to show the appropriate authorities the "Veteran" endorsement on my driver's license and a copy of my DD214, but I'm not giving any personal information to some random loon who thinks he's (and it's always a man who won't accept that I'm a veteran) Rambo. This woman strikes me as one of the really committed busybodies. She even claimed to know the owner of the house, which was a lie since she was talking to him and clearly did not know him. The homeowner had no reason to believe that telling her he was the owner of the house would get her to stop harassing him, especially once she claimed to know the "real" owner. I don't think telling her to call the police was egging her on at all; it was a perfectly reasonable response. ETA: To the best of my knowledge, no one has actually taken me up on my suggestion to involve someone in authority; at least, there has never been anyone waiting for me when I have returned to my car after shopping. I guess that doesn't mean the busybodies haven't called them; just that if they did, it wasn't considered something that was thought to be worth investigating. ETA (part deux): Does anyone think that the woman would have confronted or harassed the man doing the stenciling on his own property if he had been white? The busybodies bug EVERYONE. I am absolutely sure she would have challenged a white person stenciling as well. I don't like them but they are a headache we all share.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jun 14, 2020 20:58:34 GMT -5
I have never challenged anyone about parking spaces but I easily see myself questioning someone I don't recognise basically tagging in my neighbourhood. Sorry theses things bother you but I won't make a fuss about this one. Especially since the police came by and responded appropriately to the situation.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 15, 2020 22:10:09 GMT -5
'Ken' got fired from his job. The husband of a viral 'Karen' who confronted a man stenciling 'Black Lives Matter' near his own home has been fired from his job at a financial services firmThe husband of Lisa Alexander, who recently apologized for calling the police on James Juanillo after confronting him for stenciling "Black Lives Matter" at his own home, has been fired from his job at financial services firm Raymond James. The man, who ABC 7 News reported was Robert Larkin, accused San Francisco resident James Juanillo, who self-identified as a person of color in his original tweet, of vandalizing his own home. In the video, Lisa Alexander claimed to know the owner of the building, which turned out to be a false claim according to Juanillo, and threatened to call the police. Juanillo recorded the incident and posted it to social media, later telling ABC 7 News that the police drove by his house, recognized him as a resident, and left. Complete article here: The husband of a viral 'Karen' who confronted a man stenciling 'Black Lives Matter' near his own home has been fired from his job at a financial services firm
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Post by Opti on Jun 15, 2020 22:12:57 GMT -5
Tenn, your link just points back to this thread.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 15, 2020 22:14:42 GMT -5
Tenn, your link just points back to this thread. It's fixed now.
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I saw the video and James Juanillo being interviewed last night.
I'm happy the "Ken" got fired and I hope "Karen" does, too. Their behavior was disgusting.
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All he had to do was say he owned the house. He egged them on into calling the police. I don't like this story. He didn't owe her an explanation. She was just some random person looking for an excuse to cause trouble. If she was worried that he was committing a crime, the rational thing to do is to have involved someone with the authority to intervene, not to start making demands of the supposed criminal or start an argument with him. She was already convinced he didn't own the home, so why would his telling her he did have any effect other than to enrage her further? It is not unlike the much less significant and certainly less dangerous and fraught situation I have on occasion experienced myself when parking in a "Veterans Only" space at the grocery store. I've been confronted by busybodies determined to shame me for stealing a space from a veteran. I do tell them that I'm a veteran and entitled to use the space, and I continue on my way. This is often sufficient, but not always. The thing with the really committed busybodies is that they are always sure they are right. They're not asking to be informed, they are asking because they want to show someone up as a rule/lawbreaker; no answer that contradicts their preconceived idea is acceptable. So, telling them that I am a veteran is sometimes not enough for the really committed busybody and they demand proof. For those folks, I tell them that I'll be in the store for about 45 minutes, long enough for them to summon whatever authorities they feel would be appropriate to the situation, and I will be happy to show the appropriate authorities the "Veteran" endorsement on my driver's license and a copy of my DD214, but I'm not giving any personal information to some random loon who thinks he's (and it's always a man who won't accept that I'm a veteran) Rambo. This woman strikes me as one of the really committed busybodies. She even claimed to know the owner of the house, which was a lie since she was talking to him and clearly did not know him. The homeowner had no reason to believe that telling her he was the owner of the house would get her to stop harassing him, especially once she claimed to know the "real" owner. I don't think telling her to call the police was egging her on at all; it was a perfectly reasonable response. ETA: To the best of my knowledge, no one has actually taken me up on my suggestion to involve someone in authority; at least, there has never been anyone waiting for me when I have returned to my car after shopping. I guess that doesn't mean the busybodies haven't called them; just that if they did, it wasn't considered something that was thought to be worth investigating. ETA (part deux): Does anyone think that the woman would have confronted or harassed the man doing the stenciling on his own property if he had been white? Thank you Dannylion...you explained it much better than I can.
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Here's another one. A Karen refusing to let two men leave because they're black and obviously doesn't belong at a Mercedes dealership.
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Here's another. "Karen" calls the cops and refuses to let family leave Krogers, after a child steps on a grocery store shelf to reach the gatorade.
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Here's another. "Karen" calls the cops and refuses to let family leave Krogers, after a child steps on a grocery store shelf to reach the gatorade. I saw that! What is the matter with people?!
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 16, 2020 14:29:21 GMT -5
I want to know when minding your own business went out the window. Why are people so worried about what others are doing instead of trying to be the best person they can.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 16, 2020 14:34:07 GMT -5
Because they think being white makes them a better person by default, I guess. I just know that I spend a lot of time being infuriated and sad at all these stories. And now we have reports of 5 (I think) black men found hanging from trees. Do they honestly think these are suicides?! All the rest of us know what they really are.
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Post by swamp on Jun 16, 2020 14:41:10 GMT -5
If they are making fun of Gen X, they should have used the name Heather. (As in Heathers). That would be appropriate! or jen.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2020 16:13:47 GMT -5
Here's another one. A Karen refusing to let two men leave because they're black and obviously doesn't belong at a Mercedes dealership. I have read several articles in the past of black men driving expensive cars being stopped by the police under the officer's assumption that no black man could be successful enough in life to drive such an expensive car. Pretty sad.
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Post by oped on Jun 16, 2020 20:33:35 GMT -5
They told him they knew it wasn’t his house....they lied. They knew the decisions they were making... and the look and tone on that woman’s face when she told him their signs were just fine, but this wasn’t the way... this was defacing private property..the smug superiority.. puke.
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kadee79
Senior Associate
S.W. Ga., zone 8b, out in the boonies!
Joined: Mar 30, 2011 15:12:55 GMT -5
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 16, 2020 23:24:28 GMT -5
I have read several articles in the past of black men driving expensive cars being stopped by the police under the officer's assumption that no black man could be successful enough in life to drive such an expensive car. Pretty sad. Or they have to be dealing drugs to own a car like that. I've heard that soooooo many times. And for anyone who doesn't understand "white privilege....
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Karens
Jun 17, 2020 18:13:42 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 18:13:42 GMT -5
Here's another one. A Karen refusing to let two men leave because they're black and obviously doesn't belong at a Mercedes dealership. I have read several articles in the past of black men driving expensive cars being stopped by the police under the officer's assumption that no black man could be successful enough in life to drive such an expensive car. Pretty sad. Back when I was in my 20’s, a guy that graduated from high school with me moved back home after graduating college and working a few years in another state. His job paid for him to relocate back to his hometown to work in their office here. He had a 700series BMW, and was coming over to my house when he was pulled over by the police. He ended up with 4 or 5 cars on the scene, they made him lay spread eagle on the sidewalk while they searched his car. They didn’t find anything, but they still took the couple hundred dollars of cash he had on him. He was SO angry, and understandably humiliated. I clearly remember how upset he was when he called me. He was able to afford the car because he was an educated, single man with a good job. I guess because he was a young Black man, the assumption was that he had to be a criminal because of the luxury car. I use to work for a bank, 7pm to 3:30am. I had a coworker that had recently moved here from California, after a split from her husband. She had an Altima, which isn’t really an expensive car, but it was tricked out and still had California tags. She came to work many days frustrated and upset because the same cop use to pull her over on her way to work. He would ask her the same stupid questions each time about where she was going (to fucking WORK) and would make her lay spread eagle on the sidewalk while he searched her car EVERY time. It was harassment, pure and simple. We had to help her figure out another route to work (remember, she was new to the area), so she could try to avoid that asshole cop. I have a coworker now that has a red Corvette. She’s been pulled over for speeding, when there were other cars on the same highway, driving even faster. But the one time she questioned it, it seemed the officer’s problem had more to do with hating on the Corvette than the driver. He admitted he’d pulled her over instead of the faster cars, because she was driving a Corvette. So that one may have been more about the car than her race. But still..... Really?!
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