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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 4, 2020 15:06:37 GMT -5
They have the sequalae of the infection. I doubt they are still infected/contagious. There are potential long term complications from this, as with other infections. But people continue to ignore that when they talk only about old people dying. These people may wind up with chronic lung disease
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 4, 2020 15:51:10 GMT -5
can you define "sequalae" for the uninitiated, pmd?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 4, 2020 15:57:05 GMT -5
can you define "sequalae" for the uninitiated, pmd? Sorry, sometimes I forget not to talk medicalese, usually pretty good at using layman's terms. It means the consequences, or the long term effects of an illness. Easiest to understand is the sequalae of treatment for cancer. People can get complications from the chemotherapy and radiation that persist long term, even after the treatment has been completed. So these patient's who have been infected with coronavirus, even if the lear the infection, can wind up with decreased pulmonary function as a result, cough, asthma, or chronic scarring in the lung. This can lead to chronic shortness of breath with exertion, need for chronic treatment for underlying asthma, and an increased susceptibility to respiratory infections, and an increase risk of complications, including death from said infections. Hope that is clear, if not, I will try to explain further
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 4, 2020 16:03:40 GMT -5
Thank you PMD!
I pretty much knew what it meant since my first hubby died of lymphoma cancer & underwent 3 different rounds of chemo...starting with little white pills. Not many know that there is a chemo that is pills only.
I also have a cyber friend who had thyroid cancer & 2 other kinds & has limited lung functions along with asthma. She is being sooooo careful right now. Hasn't gone out since it started & thank goodness she has a DH who can do all she needs done away from her house. She keeps a round of steroids on hand at home for use when she needs them rather than go to ER to be exposed to everything there.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 4, 2020 16:06:47 GMT -5
Thank you PMD! I pretty much knew what it meant since my first hubby died of lymphoma cancer & underwent 3 different rounds of chemo...starting with little white pills. Not many know that there is a chemo that is pills only. I also have a cyber friend who had thyroid cancer & 2 other kinds & has limited lung functions along with asthma. She is being sooooo careful right now. Hasn't gone out since it started & thank goodness she has a DH who can do all she needs done away from her house. She keeps a round of steroids on hand at home for use when she needs them rather than go to ER to be exposed to everything there. I honestly believe the ES, hospital, and doctors offices are among the safest places right now. Everyone is masked, screened, and we are taking great care with infection control. Mire than that can said about grocery stores
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Post by Tiny on Jun 4, 2020 16:09:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I mentioned that "new friend for life" possibility of COVID19 to my older siblings who were pooh-poohing the seriousness of this... since lots of people where surviving the virus. I brought up shingles (a result of having had chicken pox) cause they've all had some first hand or second hand experience with it. And then there's the delightful herpes simplex virus (who doesn't love a cold sore? ) that everyone in my family seems to have. That kind of made them stop and ponder - no one knows what the long term effects might be.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 4, 2020 16:16:41 GMT -5
Or it ends up like something like hepatitis B-cirrhosis and liver failure, hepatitis C, same thing, HIV, hiding in places where we cannot find it, but unable to be eradicated, requiring long term toxic drugs to live, malaria, where people have outbreaks and then periods of quiescence. All kind of scenarios. Nature has a cruel sense of humor. This is the problem with new diseases, long term complications are unknown, because they are long term.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 4, 2020 16:30:49 GMT -5
Between 10-20% of patients need to be hospitalized. If 10% of them wind up with long term complications, and 100 million of us get infected, 1-2 million people have chronic long term side effects. And that is a conservative estimate
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 17:09:14 GMT -5
Yesterday I read that my city’s leaders are “alarmed” at the spike in cases. Ummmm...... really? What did they think would happen after opening things back up? The “alarm” was because we had close to 200 new cases in one day.
Now they say they may have to mandate that everyone wear masks in public. How does that work with the dining rooms of restaurants being open? Maybe I’m stupid, but I can’t figure out how anyone can eat in a restaurant as allowed, and follow a rule about wearing masks in public at the same time.
I never claimed to be the sharpest tool in the shed, but so many things in this world lately just don’t make any kind of sense to me.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 4, 2020 17:14:06 GMT -5
Yesterday I read that my city’s leaders are “alarmed” at the spike in cases. Ummmm...... really? What did they think would happen after opening things back up? The “alarm” was because we had close to 200 new cases in one day. Now they say they may have to mandate that everyone wear masks in public. How does that work with the dining rooms of restaurants being open? Maybe I’m stupid, but I can’t figure out how anyone can eat in a restaurant as allowed, and follow a rule about wearing masks in public at the same time. I never claimed to be the sharpest tool in the shed, but so many things in this world lately just don’t make any kind of sense to me. The lack of understanding in this situation is amazing. I guess they close the barn door after the horse is out. If that is a significant increase in the number of infections for your area, you are screwed, ecause there are many more not found, and if people are interacting, oh boy. You are in a red state, correct? then it is all a hoax anyway
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 17:27:33 GMT -5
In Georgia the public health department has gone from reporting three times a day to twice a day and now to once a day. Their numbers were questionable at best, but according to news articles I've read and what I've seen on national news, Georgia has fewer cases with a steady downward trend. I call BS.
Today's report says we have "only" 975 new cases. They don't tell us how many there were yesterday. We must have had 976 new cases yesterday.
Last week, the governor explained a spike by saying that it was due to a "backlog" of test results being released.
Sure. Whatever it takes to make the numbers go down.
And he's lobbying hard to bring the repub convention to Atlanta. Swell.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 19:04:34 GMT -5
Yesterday I read that my city’s leaders are “alarmed” at the spike in cases. Ummmm...... really? What did they think would happen after opening things back up? The “alarm” was because we had close to 200 new cases in one day. Now they say they may have to mandate that everyone wear masks in public. How does that work with the dining rooms of restaurants being open? Maybe I’m stupid, but I can’t figure out how anyone can eat in a restaurant as allowed, and follow a rule about wearing masks in public at the same time. I never claimed to be the sharpest tool in the shed, but so many things in this world lately just don’t make any kind of sense to me. The lack of understanding in this situation is amazing. I guess they close the barn door after the horse is out. If that is a significant increase in the number of infections for your area, you are screwed, ecause there are many more not found, and if people are interacting, oh boy. You are in a red state, correct? then it is all a hoax anyway Yes, I live in a little blue corner of a red state. The local mayors moved a little faster than the governor in shutting things down at first. And when the governor said the state was opening back up, he did leave it to counties with their own health departments (like mine) to make their own decisions. But our county still opened just a few days after the rest of the state. I’m an “essential employee”, so I’ve been expected to report to work this whole time. Now, despite things being “open”, I’m still pretty much living the way I was under the shelter in place orders. I don’t care if my eyebrows grow into a unibrow, my nails look like I’ve been digging ditches, my hair becomes even more unruly than it already is, and I get sick and tired of eating at home, I’m not interested in being out and about. I go to work, and I come home. I buy as many necessities as I can online, for shipping or contactless pickup.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2020 19:21:29 GMT -5
Thank you PMD! I pretty much knew what it meant since my first hubby died of lymphoma cancer & underwent 3 different rounds of chemo...starting with little white pills. Not many know that there is a chemo that is pills only. I also have a cyber friend who had thyroid cancer & 2 other kinds & has limited lung functions along with asthma. She is being sooooo careful right now. Hasn't gone out since it started & thank goodness she has a DH who can do all she needs done away from her house. She keeps a round of steroids on hand at home for use when she needs them rather than go to ER to be exposed to everything there. I honestly believe the ES, hospital, and doctors offices are among the safest places right now. Everyone is masked, screened, and we are taking great care with infection control. Mire than that can said about grocery stores DH had to go to a big hospital in Seattle today for a procedure. He was allowed to bring one person (me). We were told to wear masks (we’d have done that anyway) At the entrance we were screened, then he was allowed to check in. Yes, I felt safer there than at the garden center yesterday where NONE of the employees wore masks. Won’t be going back there
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 4, 2020 19:25:41 GMT -5
The lack of understanding in this situation is amazing. I guess they close the barn door after the horse is out. If that is a significant increase in the number of infections for your area, you are screwed, ecause there are many more not found, and if people are interacting, oh boy. You are in a red state, correct? then it is all a hoax anyway Yes, I live in a little blue corner of a red state. The local mayors moved a little faster than the governor in shutting things down at first. And when the governor said the state was opening back up, he did leave it to counties with their own health departments (like mine) to make their own decisions. But our county still opened just a few days after the rest of the state. I’m an “essential employee”, so I’ve been expected to report to work this whole time. Now, despite things being “open”, I’m still pretty much living the way I was under the shelter in place orders. I don’t care if my eyebrows grow into a unibrow, my nails look like I’ve been digging ditches, my hair becomes even more unruly than it already is, and I get sick and tired of eating at home, I’m not interested in being out and about. I go to work, and I come home. I buy as many necessities as I can online, for shipping or contactless pickup. I understand. My wife and I are both healthcare workers, so go to work daily. Have not been doing much else. Have eaten outside once. Got a haircut this weekend( we know a guy), but we’re the only ones in shop. Otherwise, we are home or at our local grocery store(not a chain). I need to see it doesn’t flare up to do much else, although I will slowly do more
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 4, 2020 19:26:38 GMT -5
I honestly believe the ES, hospital, and doctors offices are among the safest places right now. Everyone is masked, screened, and we are taking great care with infection control. Mire than that can said about grocery stores DH had to go to a big hospital in Seattle today for a procedure. He was allowed to bring one person (me). We were told to wear masks (we’d have done that anyway) At the entrance we were screened, then he was allowed to check in. Yes, I felt safer there than at the garden center yesterday where NONE of the employees wore masks. Won’t be going back there I guarantee we take it seriously, but not sure how many else do
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 4, 2020 19:27:54 GMT -5
Thank you PMD! I pretty much knew what it meant since my first hubby died of lymphoma cancer & underwent 3 different rounds of chemo...starting with little white pills. Not many know that there is a chemo that is pills only. I also have a cyber friend who had thyroid cancer & 2 other kinds & has limited lung functions along with asthma. She is being sooooo careful right now. Hasn't gone out since it started & thank goodness she has a DH who can do all she needs done away from her house. She keeps a round of steroids on hand at home for use when she needs them rather than go to ER to be exposed to everything there. I honestly believe the ES, hospital, and doctors offices are among the safest places right now. Everyone is masked, screened, and we are taking great care with infection control. Mire than that can said about grocery stores Our grocery stores are still following strict protocols. Hand-washing stations, cart handles disinfected between customers, one-way aisles, no cash purchases, all workers masked, no more than X number of customers allowed in at once, etc. If you deviate from the one-way aisles, you can count on other customers saying something. Some stores insist on masks for customers and others hand out disposable gloves. (I hate those, the kind you get in hair colour boxes. You CANNOT open plastic bags with them on, to put apples or onions in.)
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2020 19:33:15 GMT -5
The county I live in takes it very seriously. The public health dept has mandated that everyone in a place of business (employees and customers) must wear a mask. The garden center I went to is in an adjacent county (my future shopping will be inside this coynty) We get a lot of tourists from Seattle and elsewhere so it remains to be seen how that’s going to work. Personally, my life is not much different than when we were under quarantine. Took the dog to the groomer for a nail trim. Stayed in the car til they were ready, took her in(everyone was masked), nails got cut, gave them a check and out the door in less than 5 minutes.
Made about 20 masks for my hairdresser who is preparing to open. She offered me an appointment, but I told her I’d wait a bit.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 4, 2020 19:57:45 GMT -5
How many hundreds of thousands of people are out protesting, rioting, looting and giving beat downs to innocent people. My state is still partially closed yet there have been riots, looting and destruction. You seriously are going to discount the impact of that on Covid?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 4, 2020 20:11:53 GMT -5
How many hundreds of thousands of people are out protesting, rioting, looting and giving beat downs to innocent people. My state is still partially closed yet there have been riots, looting and destruction. You seriously are going to discount the impact of that on Covid? Who is discounting this? However, we still have 20k new cases and 1k deaths a day, but you wouldn’t now it from the administration. They have moved on to opening the economy. Full spread ahead and it is not going fast enough. This won’t spike cases for 2-4 weeks, when I s the last time we have heard from any medical people in the administration? He has left everything to the governors. There is little hope it won’t flare, unless we get lucky. Just will happen sooner with this
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 4, 2020 21:28:10 GMT -5
I do have hope when I watched the protests in Seattle the other evening. From what I saw on TV, it looked like about 90% had masks on. When DH went to the grocery store, he noted that about the same percentage also had masks on.
We go no where these days. DH occasionally goes to the refinery or gets take out. I usually go grocery shopping. I do have PT restarting next week, so more than 1 trip out each week. Woo hoo!
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2020 21:34:22 GMT -5
How many hundreds of thousands of people are out protesting, rioting, looting and giving beat downs to innocent people. My state is still partially closed yet there have been riots, looting and destruction. You seriously are going to discount the impact of that on Covid? Protestors are peacefully exercising their first amendment rights. Rioters and looters are rioting and looting and need to be arrested. Hundreds of thousands of Americans are peacefully protesting- your lame attempt to lump them all as rioters is pathetically transparant
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Post by steff on Jun 4, 2020 21:53:54 GMT -5
Earlier this week my doctor said that due to all the health issues I've had since I was deathly ill with the flu in February, that he's sure I had it back then. There's lots of things that just haven't been "right" since I was sick & my sense of taste still hasn't returned. He also said that the antibodies testing in Georgia is such a disaster that there's no point in testing me for them. It would be a waste of time & we'd be waiting around for results that never come back. I'm waiting now for an appointment to have a CT scan on my heart because of problems that weren't there a few months ago & my blood pressure went from normally be "low/normal" to sky high now & I'm on blood pressure meds.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2020 21:57:21 GMT -5
Earlier this week my doctor said that due to all the health issues I've had since I was deathly ill with the flu in February, that he's sure I had it back then. There's lots of things that just haven't been "right" since I was sick & my sense of taste still hasn't returned. He also said that the antibodies testing in Georgia is such a disaster that there's no point in testing me for them. It would be a waste of time & we'd be waiting around for results that never come back. I'm waiting now for an appointment to have a CT scan on my heart because of problems that weren't there a few months ago & my blood pressure went from normally be "low/normal" to sky high now & I'm on blood pressure meds. I am sorry Steff
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Post by steff on Jun 4, 2020 22:04:03 GMT -5
Earlier this week my doctor said that due to all the health issues I've had since I was deathly ill with the flu in February, that he's sure I had it back then. There's lots of things that just haven't been "right" since I was sick & my sense of taste still hasn't returned. He also said that the antibodies testing in Georgia is such a disaster that there's no point in testing me for them. It would be a waste of time & we'd be waiting around for results that never come back. I'm waiting now for an appointment to have a CT scan on my heart because of problems that weren't there a few months ago & my blood pressure went from normally be "low/normal" to sky high now & I'm on blood pressure meds. I am sorry Steff I spent a day in the ER last week because he thought there was a blood clot in my leg & I had to have an ultra sound on it immediately. Now my EKG readings are all wonky, my blood pressure is thru the roof, doing simple basic things exhaust me to the point of ridiculousness. I can literally sweat thru everything going to the mailbox & be so tired out that it takes me awhile to be able to do anything else. If I'm going to the grocery store, then I can't also cook dinner that night because I'm wiped out. These were not an issue before. I'm back to needing a nap during the day & I've NEVER been a napper. I feel like I got old in the last 4 months. I was fine before I got sick & haven't been the same since then.
My dad's side of the family has terrifying heart issues, but normally it only takes out the men. Women are fine & don't end up having the heart issues. But now, I got something funky happening. Could be genetic (first female of the family to get it) or it's COVID results. But my EKG's were fine before February.
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Post by dondub on Jun 4, 2020 23:15:20 GMT -5
I spent a day in the ER last week because he thought there was a blood clot in my leg & I had to have an ultra sound on it immediately. Now my EKG readings are all wonky, my blood pressure is thru the roof, doing simple basic things exhaust me to the point of ridiculousness. I can literally sweat thru everything going to the mailbox & be so tired out that it takes me awhile to be able to do anything else. If I'm going to the grocery store, then I can't also cook dinner that night because I'm wiped out. These were not an issue before. I'm back to needing a nap during the day & I've NEVER been a napper. I feel like I got old in the last 4 months. I was fine before I got sick & haven't been the same since then.
My dad's side of the family has terrifying heart issues, but normally it only takes out the men. Women are fine & don't end up having the heart issues. But now, I got something funky happening. Could be genetic (first female of the family to get it) or it's COVID results. But my EKG's were fine before February.
Good luck , Steff. Kick ass on the ‘whatever it is’ .
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 4, 2020 23:33:59 GMT -5
Earlier this week my doctor said that due to all the health issues I've had since I was deathly ill with the flu in February, that he's sure I had it back then. There's lots of things that just haven't been "right" since I was sick & my sense of taste still hasn't returned. He also said that the antibodies testing in Georgia is such a disaster that there's no point in testing me for them. It would be a waste of time & we'd be waiting around for results that never come back. I'm waiting now for an appointment to have a CT scan on my heart because of problems that weren't there a few months ago & my blood pressure went from normally be "low/normal" to sky high now & I'm on blood pressure meds. Did everything smell and taste of copper? I hear that's pretty common.
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Post by steff on Jun 5, 2020 1:31:37 GMT -5
Earlier this week my doctor said that due to all the health issues I've had since I was deathly ill with the flu in February, that he's sure I had it back then. There's lots of things that just haven't been "right" since I was sick & my sense of taste still hasn't returned. He also said that the antibodies testing in Georgia is such a disaster that there's no point in testing me for them. It would be a waste of time & we'd be waiting around for results that never come back. I'm waiting now for an appointment to have a CT scan on my heart because of problems that weren't there a few months ago & my blood pressure went from normally be "low/normal" to sky high now & I'm on blood pressure meds. Did everything smell and taste of copper? I hear that's pretty common. At one point I had a mild metallic taste, but I figured it was either the antibiotics or quitting smoking. I gave it over a month thinking it was still from quitting smoking.
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Post by justme on Jun 5, 2020 9:36:20 GMT -5
steff I don't know if it would change much, but in Florida my dr gave me a script for the antibody test and labeled it stat. I went to labcorp (which has a way to get a script for a test if your doctor doesn't give you one) and had my results the next day. And the results even had which test was used - from what I could tell it was one of the good ones. I have no idea how a national lab company would vary from state to state, but just wanted to throw out my experience. If you go through labcorp's website and have an online doctor give you the script it only costs $10 that way.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 5, 2020 16:04:29 GMT -5
Steff, so sorry to hear about all this. I sure hope things start turning around for you. I can relate & mine is due to a sudden heart problem....no energy, no more than 1 major job per day.
Our local hospital has said they have increased cases coming in...so it's going up in my area....we have LOTS of field workers in this small rural community.
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