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Post by djAdvocate on May 26, 2020 17:39:08 GMT -5
Such an amazingly weak piece of evidence. if they have a signature database, no problem. if not, the person living there will likely vote their own ballot ONLY. after all, to do otherwise is to risk a $5,000 fine.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 26, 2020 17:40:39 GMT -5
This is another of those "Democrats were against it before they were for it" type of deals. Democrats have been fighting for years against any sort of deviation from mass in-person voting. They only wanted mail in ballots for those that were home-bound/disabled. And forget any sort of action towards online voting! Yet now that the Coronavirus hit they want to make everyone think they are such champions of alternative voting...they're such douchebags. Democrats are against absentee ballots, not vote by mail.
and yeah, there is a difference.
is it disingenuous?
a bit, yes.
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Post by thyme4change on May 26, 2020 19:36:33 GMT -5
I don’t get it. I live in one of the reddest states in the union and we automatically got mail in ballots from the first time we moved in here. And I was here for four years before I bothered to get an in-state drivers license. Come to think of it, I’m not sure how they tracked us down. Mail in ballots are more often supportive of Republicans. The people who should be most afraid to go to the polls are the elderly, which also are generally Republican. For long term, voting by mail will be difficult for people who move a lot and aren't great at paperwork and follow up. People who can't follow instructions, for any reason, are most likely the ones to get screwed in voting by mail. I'm not sure why the Republicans are so resistant. Do they believe their people are too stupid to get their vote in?
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Post by tallguy on May 26, 2020 20:17:58 GMT -5
I don’t get it. I live in one of the reddest states in the union and we automatically got mail in ballots from the first time we moved in here. And I was here for four years before I bothered to get an in-state drivers license. Come to think of it, I’m not sure how they tracked us down. Mail in ballots are more often supportive of Republicans. The people who should be most afraid to go to the polls are the elderly, which also are generally Republican. For long term, voting by mail will be difficult for people who move a lot and aren't great at paperwork and follow up. People who can't follow instructions, for any reason, are most likely the ones to get screwed in voting by mail. I'm not sure why the Republicans are so resistant. Do they believe their people are too stupid to get their vote in? I would bet it is because vote-by-mail makes it easier and more convenient for people to vote. That added ease and convenience means that more people will in fact vote, and increased voter turnout is usually disadvantageous to Republicans. The more people who vote, the more Republicans lose. That being the case, try like hell to make it more difficult to vote. Even better if you can make it especially difficult for groups who usually vote Democratic.
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Post by kadee79 on May 26, 2020 22:22:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure why the Republicans are so resistant. Do they believe their people are too stupid to get their vote in? Well, if your state is using the machines that Ivanka has a patent on...then not as many of her machines will be needed if any at all...or...what will the GOP do with all those "poll watchers" they are recruiting to intimidate voters of color? They will stand out of the restricted area but they may be armed or they may be writing down license numbers...who knows what else they might do.
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Post by thyme4change on May 26, 2020 23:11:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure why the Republicans are so resistant. Do they believe their people are too stupid to get their vote in? Well, if your state is using the machines that Ivanka has a patent on...then not as many of her machines will be needed if any at all...or...what will the GOP do with all those "poll watchers" they are recruiting to intimidate voters of color? They will stand out of the restricted area but they may be armed or they may be writing down license numbers...who knows what else they might do. Does she really have a patent on voting machines? Do we have a respectable source? Or are we just as bad as the right wing conspiracies?
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Post by Tennesseer on May 27, 2020 9:31:01 GMT -5
Well, if your state is using the machines that Ivanka has a patent on...then not as many of her machines will be needed if any at all...or...what will the GOP do with all those "poll watchers" they are recruiting to intimidate voters of color? They will stand out of the restricted area but they may be armed or they may be writing down license numbers...who knows what else they might do. Does she really have a patent on voting machines? Do we have a respectable source? Or are we just as bad as the right wing conspiracies? From SNOPES: Did China Grant a Trademark to Ivanka Trump for Voting Machines?
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Post by thyme4change on May 27, 2020 11:54:27 GMT -5
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Post by swamp on May 27, 2020 11:58:16 GMT -5
Are they missing or did the person not send them back? Just because you ask for an absentee ballot doesn't mean you have to send it in.
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Post by billisonboard on May 27, 2020 12:06:44 GMT -5
I am responsible for some of the ballots in that count. There have been primary and minor local election issue ballots sent to me that I haven't returned. Without a serious detailed analysis, the raw number is useless.
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Post by tallguy on May 27, 2020 12:21:24 GMT -5
In other news, 695 million* votes were lost in those same elections by voters not showing up to cast them. This is an outrage that should force the end of in-person voting in this country! * (Not a real number.) No, this is not a problem. The number is meaningless.
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Post by billisonboard on May 27, 2020 14:27:48 GMT -5
One thing that concerns me with a national move to all mail in voting is the knee jerk negative reaction I read here to any attempt to update registered voter rolls. Election officials need to be allowed to keep lists current, following reasonable steps of course.
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Post by billisonboard on May 29, 2020 13:18:40 GMT -5
Actually the claim should be "If I choose to stand in line for a cupcake, you should be forced to stand in line to vote. "
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Post by Icelandic Woman on May 29, 2020 13:35:47 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on May 29, 2020 13:37:14 GMT -5
Actually the claim should be "If I choose to stand in line for a cupcake, you should be forced to stand in line to vote. " Even more accurate. If a few people choose to stand in line for a cupcake, all people should be forced to stand in line to vote.
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Post by sesfw on May 29, 2020 18:38:05 GMT -5
I went to a mail in ballot when I worked in a voting precinct. All of the workers had to do that or not vote.
We checked picture IDs to match the person and address before they signed the register. I had one lady object to showing an ID and I asked her what she would do if someone had come in earlier and signed her name and voted in her place. .......... She had no comment.
As with anything else, there are honest people ...... and there are others.
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Post by kadee79 on May 29, 2020 19:43:37 GMT -5
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Post by laterbloomer on May 29, 2020 21:50:10 GMT -5
In your last electon Trump spent a lot of time making the Democrats say the voting wasn't rigged. Then when he rigged it himself they were in a spot where they couldn't say anything. I see history repeating itself.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 19, 2020 9:22:07 GMT -5
So is trump really afraid of voter fraud or just not being reelected because mail-in voting does not favor Republicans. It's all about him. Blatant voter suppression? Trump says 'biggest risk' to re-election is not stopping increased mail-in voting
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump says in an interview that the "biggest risk" to his re-election prospects in November is increased mail-in voting and whether he can win lawsuits to stop its expansion. "My biggest risk is that we don't win lawsuits," Trump said in an Oval Office interview Thursday with Politico that focused on the 2020 race. "We have many lawsuits going all over. And if we don't win those lawsuits, I think — I think it puts the election at risk," he added. Trump has railed against mail-in voting, claiming that it leads to widespread voter fraud and has repeatedly said that mail-in voting doesn't help Republicans. There have been few documented cases of voter fraud, however, in the U.S. through voting by mail. Trump says 'biggest risk' to re-election is not stopping increased mail-in voting
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Post by dezii on Jun 19, 2020 11:10:57 GMT -5
Someone please explain to me what all the fuss is about. I live in Colorado. Every single registered voter automatically gets a mail in ballot each election. You can mail it in, drop it off at one of the many ballot dropboxes or voting locations, or just go vote in person. This has been the law here since 2013. We have one of the best systems in the nation. I have never heard of any protests concerning it here - it's just the norm and quite successful.
Why is Trump not attacking Colorado, a purple/but turning blue, state? And yet raging over other states trying to do it? And not just Trump, but so many Trump supporters? Possibly also Biden supporters and Independents are against vote by mail, but not that I'm aware of. Do they really believe, against all evidence to the contrary, that there's widespread fraud? Why does it seem to be Red states that are so against what is a safe secure way to vote? (Yeah, I already know the answer to that one)
Colorado is a leader in mail-in ballots flutter.. I am in Florida, have been doing mail in ballots all elections for some time...believe all States should offer it...will save $ big time plus increase the % of those voting I believe..especially among young voters...Since Dems outnumber the GOP across the country, it's why GOP is against it...If Dems win in November plus the House and Senate..if they could get together on a law authorizing mail in on Federal elections that would be a good thing IMHO...plus many other laws that would keep what has happened over the past three years from happening again, no matter which party was in the White House.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 19, 2020 13:45:38 GMT -5
I don't understand why Trump has this bee in his bonnet about mail in voting. I think it favors the republicans, since a lot of elderly people (who tend to lean more republican) use it.
Besides, Trump doesn't need to worry. Kemp in Georgia showed how to make sure the GOP wins the election - switch to a new system, fail to train the poll workers on the new system, shut down a bunch of polling places in urban areas so that people have to stand in line for 4 to 6 (and even 12!) hours to wear people out and make them give up trying to cast their vote. Guaranteed to suppress the Dem vote.
I live in a rural part of Georgia, almost all white, and amazingly enough, no line at the polls, no problems with the new machines. Little did they know I'm not voting the Republican ticket, or maybe someone might have clotheslined me walking into the polling place.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 19, 2020 15:25:51 GMT -5
So is trump really afraid of voter fraud or just not being reelected because mail-in voting does not favor Republicans. It's all about him. Blatant voter suppression? Trump says 'biggest risk' to re-election is not stopping increased mail-in voting
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump says in an interview that the "biggest risk" to his re-election prospects in November is increased mail-in voting and whether he can win lawsuits to stop its expansion. "My biggest risk is that we don't win lawsuits," Trump said in an Oval Office interview Thursday with Politico that focused on the 2020 race. "We have many lawsuits going all over. And if we don't win those lawsuits, I think — I think it puts the election at risk," he added. Trump has railed against mail-in voting, claiming that it leads to widespread voter fraud and has repeatedly said that mail-in voting doesn't help Republicans. There have been few documented cases of voter fraud, however, in the U.S. through voting by mail. Trump says 'biggest risk' to re-election is not stopping increased mail-in votingExcept traditionally mail in votes have skewed Republican. And they never said anything about it. He didn't say mail-in was a problem, he said that illegal residents put on different hats and voted multiple times at the polls, casting "millions" of fraudulent votes. What are we going to do with all those hats now?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 19, 2020 15:29:24 GMT -5
So is trump really afraid of voter fraud or just not being reelected because mail-in voting does not favor Republicans. It's all about him. Blatant voter suppression? Trump says 'biggest risk' to re-election is not stopping increased mail-in voting
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump says in an interview that the "biggest risk" to his re-election prospects in November is increased mail-in voting and whether he can win lawsuits to stop its expansion. "My biggest risk is that we don't win lawsuits," Trump said in an Oval Office interview Thursday with Politico that focused on the 2020 race. "We have many lawsuits going all over. And if we don't win those lawsuits, I think — I think it puts the election at risk," he added. Trump has railed against mail-in voting, claiming that it leads to widespread voter fraud and has repeatedly said that mail-in voting doesn't help Republicans. There have been few documented cases of voter fraud, however, in the U.S. through voting by mail. Trump says 'biggest risk' to re-election is not stopping increased mail-in votingExcept traditionally mail in votes have skewed Republican. And they never said anything about it. He didn't say mail-in was a problem, he said that illegal residents put on different hats and voted multiple times at the polls, casting "millions" of fraudulent votes. What are we going to do with all those hats now? Yea-who can forget the three million illegal immigrants who illegally voted in Massachusetts and who were then bused up to New Hampshire to vote yet again.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 19, 2020 15:35:21 GMT -5
Except traditionally mail in votes have skewed Republican. And they never said anything about it. He didn't say mail-in was a problem, he said that illegal residents put on different hats and voted multiple times at the polls, casting "millions" of fraudulent votes. What are we going to do with all those hats now? Yea-who can forget the three million illegal immigrants who illegally voted in Massachusetts and who were then bused up to New Hampshire to vote yet again. That is truly a stunning statistic. Considering that New Hampshire only had about 750,000 votes cast, it means that not only did every illegal vote four times, but that apparently not a single citizen bothered to vote! Who would have ever thought that a state with the motto, "Live Free or Die" would not even bother to vote!
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 19, 2020 15:35:40 GMT -5
I don't understand why Trump has this bee in his bonnet about mail in voting. I think it favors the republicans, since a lot of elderly people (who tend to lean more republican) use it. Besides, Trump doesn't need to worry. Kemp in Georgia showed how to make sure the GOP wins the election - switch to a new system, fail to train the poll workers on the new system, shut down a bunch of polling places in urban areas so that people have to stand in line for 4 to 6 (and even 12!) hours to wear people out and make them give up trying to cast their vote. Guaranteed to suppress the Dem vote. I live in a rural part of Georgia, almost all white, and amazingly enough, no line at the polls, no problems with the new machines. Little did they know I'm not voting the Republican ticket, or maybe someone might have clotheslined me walking into the polling place. And I was extra careful to follow some of the dumb instructions to the letter on my absentee ballot here in Ga. Like fill in the little circle...DON'T put an x or check mark in it. Tape the ballot shut in a certain place before mailing and be damn sure to sign your name EXACTLY as they had it on request form.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jun 19, 2020 15:42:25 GMT -5
Hey, I *just* got my absentee ballot for the special election on Tuesday! It's a first for us, NY normally doesn't allow absentee ballots w/o a valid reason, but decided Covid was a good reason (choose the medical issue option). I'm doing it because I want to protect the poll workers (almost always elderly), and I want it to become the norm in the future if there's a good experience. We just did our school district budget votes entirely by mail, and the response numbers were huge, much higher than a normal year. So here's hoping it sticks around. I was getting a bit concerned, though, that we hadn't received the ballots yet, when I mailed in the requests weeks ago. High volume of requests, I hope. In related news, Nate McMurray had a press release just yesterday that his Republican opponent Jacobs had voted illegally in a district before he'd lived there yet (or long enough?). Nate and a Republican primary opponent are trying to get Jacobs to quit or dropped off the ballot for cheating.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jun 19, 2020 21:08:36 GMT -5
I received my mail-in ballot for NJ's primary today. Everyone is getting a mail-in ballot due to coronavirus.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 19, 2020 21:19:31 GMT -5
I just looked up my county's registrar to ask how soon I can request a ballot for the Nov. election. Even though our polling place is less than 1/3 mi. from the end of our driveway...I'm not going down there in person due to the virus & not trusting those new machines.
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Post by resolution on Jun 20, 2020 7:48:05 GMT -5
I just don't get the buy in to the latest flavor of the month conspiracy with voting. I was talking to my parents this week and they were all about how fraudulent mail in voting is, and yet they have voted absentee in every election for the last 30 years and loved it! I really hope they don't decide to vote in person this year, out of all years.
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