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Post by thyme4change on May 23, 2020 10:13:24 GMT -5
How do you think society will change in the long run? Not in 2020, but what will we see long term?
My question...
Will big crowd college sports return? If it takes years, will the loss of income drive tuition up further? Will scholarships and funding for non-revenue generating sports disappear? I could see that being a 10 or 15 year journey.
Any chance we will finally get mandatory paid sick leave so all those workers in fast food places will stop infecting us?
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Post by oped on May 23, 2020 10:20:58 GMT -5
So, personally, I can see myself using pick up a lot more even if things return to 'normal'. Why go into Target when I can just put on my app what I want and pick it up later, no aimless wandering and picking up stuff I don't really need. If more people do this, will it change retail?
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Post by Tennesseer on May 23, 2020 10:26:48 GMT -5
'La bise' in Europe is probably gone for a while if not forever. Europe bids adieu to cheek kiss in coronavirus eraMay 15, 2020 at 8:57 a.m. CDT BRUSSELS — Manon Fily took advantage of France's eased coronavirus lockdown this week to see some old high school friends after two months shut away in her home in Brittany. But there was one big thing missing from her gathering: a peck on the right cheek, then a second on the left. The cheek kiss is fundamental to greetings among friends, colleagues and even national leaders in many countries in Europe. It is also exceedingly ill-suited during the coronavirus pandemic. As Europeans start meeting again with family and friends this month for the first time since the virus swept the world, they are discovering a need to suppress a seemingly inherent reflex. “We had the instinct to do the peck on the cheek,” said Fily, 30, a civil servant, of the visit at a friend’s house. “But we stopped ourselves. It’s tough.” Rest of article here: Europe bids adieu to cheek kiss in coronavirus era
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 23, 2020 10:40:55 GMT -5
I don't know if we will ever go back to shaking hands. I had 4 interviews on March 12th and it is a normal instinct when you meet someone. I had to sign a waiver as I walked in and use hand sanitizer. One person would not shake hands so we did an elbow bump. I don't care either way but like Tenn posted with Europeans, it will be weird
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 23, 2020 10:42:24 GMT -5
I will continue ordering groceries online and having them put in my car.
I have no idea of when I will feel safe attending a concert. It may be never.
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Post by Tired Tess on May 23, 2020 11:21:14 GMT -5
I won't say never, but I just don't see me going to the movies. Even if the seating is every other seat blocked off, the chairs are all made of cloth.If movie theaters want to stay in business ,they will have to take every other chair out and make the remaining chairs a nice soft, pliable plastic that can be wiped down.
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Post by thyme4change on May 23, 2020 11:22:24 GMT -5
I don't know if we will ever go back to shaking hands. I had 4 interviews on March 12th and it is a normal instinct when you meet someone. I had to sign a waiver as I walked in and use hand sanitizer. One person would not shake hands so we did an elbow bump. I don't care either way but like Tenn posted with Europeans, it will be weird I will be interested to see if we ever go back to handshakes. They have survived for centuries. Is this the final nail?
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Post by sesfw on May 23, 2020 11:25:41 GMT -5
I have no idea of when I will feel safe attending a concert. It may be never.
The traditional 40 days of breaking habits.
We belong to several large group gatherings and I don't know how they will return. We are leary of inside restaurant seating, live theater, live concerts ........... Maybe when the experts get a real handle on this, we'll feel different but I think everyone's entertainment habits have changed.
A lot of the things we did last year are gone ...... and some will not return. Buffet meals is a huge one that I can think of right now.
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 23, 2020 11:33:04 GMT -5
We started doing more takeout when we had the kids, as going out to a restaurant with small children isn't very relaxing. They still have a somewhat early bedtime, and the restaurant ritual takes so long sometimes.
Same with movies-- small kids/early bedtime. We'd take them to the drivein, except movies don't even start until 10 pm around summer solstice. It gets closer to fall, and we ease them back into school bedtimes by then. There were some free matinee movies that we'd take them to, on occasion.
I think the permanent changes will have more to do with whatever businesses don't survive in the meantime. I'm not that much of a shopper, and even I am missing browsing through a store. Online shopping is much harder for me. I was just looking for a baby gift for my niece. It's so much harder to see if the closure is a zipper, and how thick the material of a sleep n play is online. It would take 2 seconds in person. Multiply this by pretty much everything.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 11:37:44 GMT -5
I don't know why this pandemic would be different than any of the others. There was still college football and handshakes after the spanish flu...actually there was college football during the spanish flu. They just announced the MN State Fair would be cancelled this year which is freaking people out, but it cancelled in 1946 for a polio epidemic and was back again the following year.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 12:03:12 GMT -5
I think that more small businesses are likely to move online. It's already necessary to have an online presence if you want to make a profit anyway, especially for businesses located in smaller towns.
I hope people discover it's fun to do simple things like go to the town park with their kids and rediscover the more simple, local life.
I hope people discover you don't have to be "doing something" or "buying stuff" all the time to have a good life. Living on less and extending yourself less means a lot easier time weathering this type of scenario.
I also hope many of the people who lose their jobs start their own local businesses or work for those that start. Perhaps we will see more of a movement towards local foods and manufacturing essential items in this country.
National health coverage for everyone is a must. This pandemic shows that better than anything in the past. Wonder if we will ever embrace it?
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Post by dannylion on May 23, 2020 12:37:45 GMT -5
I don't know if we will ever go back to shaking hands. I had 4 interviews on March 12th and it is a normal instinct when you meet someone. I had to sign a waiver as I walked in and use hand sanitizer. One person would not shake hands so we did an elbow bump. I don't care either way but like Tenn posted with Europeans, it will be weird I will be interested to see if we ever go back to handshakes. They have survived for centuries. Is this the final nail? It would be fun to start a new greeting tradition to replace the handshake. Maybe jazz hands. That would be fun. I'm okay with elbow bumps or toe bumps, too, but we have an opportunity to create something new; there's no reason it can't be fun and creative. I'm thinking hats might be making a comeback. I'm probably going to be taking up the wearing of fancy hats for the foreseeable future. It will be a long time before I feel comfortable getting a haircut as it is just too up close and personal, so I'm growing out what was a very nifty and ladylike buzzcut. It is at the deranged-hermit-in-a-horror-movie stage and likely will be for some time. I need hats so I don't frighten people more than usual (not that I plan to be out and about much in the near future).
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Post by anciana on May 23, 2020 13:06:17 GMT -5
I will be interested to see if we ever go back to handshakes. They have survived for centuries. Is this the final nail? It would be fun to start a new greeting tradition to replace the handshake. Maybe jazz hands. That would be fun. I'm okay with elbow bumps or toe bumps, too, but we have an opportunity to create something new; there's no reason it can't be fun and creative. snip I don’t like elbow bumps as I feel like I get even closer to people than when we shake hands; our faces are so much closer as opposed to when I can extend my hand far away from my body while shaking hands. I wish we didn’t need to touch at all, don’t see why there is that need to touch as we say hello. But I believe the handshakes will be back.
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Post by giramomma on May 23, 2020 13:22:58 GMT -5
I expect that our public university system will contract again. We're made of two and four year campuses. The two year campuses got paired with the four year ones after we had our one time 250 million cut to the system. I expect that the smallest 4 year college will eventually disappear. There's only 2K students. I expect the two year campuses to slowly go away as well. I also expect that the campuses will become much more specialized. Duplicate programs will be cut across the system, starting as soon as the paperwork will allow that to happen. I expect paperwork to be filed in 2021. I also suspect that the pandemic will solidify that folks are either haves or have nots.
I wonder how much consumption is going to be altered..due to a recalibrating of real needs and real wants and how much an economy will flourish under changes in consumerism.
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Post by NoNamePerson on May 23, 2020 13:57:24 GMT -5
I see the whole world going to hell in a hand basket! I’m weaving baskets as fast as I can.
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Post by thyme4change on May 23, 2020 14:41:37 GMT -5
I expect that our public university system will contract again. We're made of two and four year campuses. The two year campuses got paired with the four year ones after we had our one time 250 million cut to the system. I expect that the smallest 4 year college will eventually disappear. There's only 2K students. I expect the two year campuses to slowly go away as well. I also expect that the campuses will become much more specialized. Duplicate programs will be cut across the system, starting as soon as the paperwork will allow that to happen. I expect paperwork to be filed in 2021. I also suspect that the pandemic will solidify that folks are either haves or have nots.
I wonder how much consumption is going to be altered..due to a recalibrating of real needs and real wants and how much an economy will flourish under changes in consumerism.
I would love to see the credit culture go away. If the masses stopped massive consumerism, maybe the Bezos and Waltons of the world would share some of the profits in order to spark purchasing.
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Post by Tiny on May 23, 2020 14:49:24 GMT -5
I would be more than happy if the handshake thing would just go away. That and hugging people you barely know, that can go away too. (I like my personal space). I'm rather fond of the Japanese "greeting bow". It's gender neutral - so there's no bow/curtsy awkwardness. It works in informal and formal settings. Seems like it would work just fine in most situations.
As for permanent changes from the pandemic? I don't think much will change. People like the experience that comes with eating out. People like gathering together and cheering on their team (or theater company or whatever). People like to do 'entertainment' type things with their friends/family.
I can't think of any products or services that people will decide they no longer need. I would think there will be a whole slew of new products and services as soon as people are shopping again. Marketing is gonna have a field day.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 23, 2020 14:54:47 GMT -5
I think that this is going to change how we think of disease in the future. These days, we have gotten so complacent that you get sick, you do to the doctor and take a pill and you are better. Even cancer isn't as feared as it once was. We have gotten complacent. Doctors can't always fix it. Science doesn't always know and never before has that slapped most in the face as it has right now.
I remember the time where childhood diseases were not taken lightly. It was assumed that you'd get them, and it was well known that some kids died. My best friend and I got the measles together when we were 4.....he died. Polio was feared, and life pre polio vaccine was comparable with today with regards to covid - but for children.
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Post by Tiny on May 23, 2020 14:59:15 GMT -5
I expect that our public university system will contract again. We're made of two and four year campuses. The two year campuses got paired with the four year ones after we had our one time 250 million cut to the system. I expect that the smallest 4 year college will eventually disappear. There's only 2K students. I expect the two year campuses to slowly go away as well. I also expect that the campuses will become much more specialized. Duplicate programs will be cut across the system, starting as soon as the paperwork will allow that to happen. I expect paperwork to be filed in 2021. I also suspect that the pandemic will solidify that folks are either haves or have nots.
I wonder how much consumption is going to be altered..due to a recalibrating of real needs and real wants and how much an economy will flourish under changes in consumerism.
Don't the small colleges run on donor dollars and what's that called when something is funded "in perpetuity" - dang. stupid brain fog. I know this just not now... Do small colleges really need the majority of their students to pay full price? to keep running? I've got friends whose kids went/are going to little private colleges (3K or fewer students) and the kids got all sorts of money from the school -so they amount of tuition or room/board was really reasonable. (I know 2 kids who pretty much just had to pay room/board - every thing else was covered by scholarships/grants/whatever from the school). I agee that the divide between the haves and have nots will be even wider and harder to cross. We've been seeing that divide grow before the pandemic. I'm guessing after the pandemic no one will be saying the divide doesn't exist or isn't that bad (as in - if the have nots would just get off their lazy asses and work harder - they would be a "haves" in no time <-- sorry paraphrasing how I've heard it said in the past).
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Post by giramomma on May 23, 2020 15:11:11 GMT -5
I expect that our public university system will contract again. We're made of two and four year campuses. The two year campuses got paired with the four year ones after we had our one time 250 million cut to the system. I expect that the smallest 4 year college will eventually disappear. There's only 2K students. I expect the two year campuses to slowly go away as well. I also expect that the campuses will become much more specialized. Duplicate programs will be cut across the system, starting as soon as the paperwork will allow that to happen. I expect paperwork to be filed in 2021. I also suspect that the pandemic will solidify that folks are either haves or have nots.
I wonder how much consumption is going to be altered..due to a recalibrating of real needs and real wants and how much an economy will flourish under changes in consumerism.
Don't the small colleges run on donor dollars and what's that called when something is funded "in perpetuity" - dang. stupid brain fog. I know this just not now... Do small colleges really need the majority of their students to pay full price? to keep running? I've got friends whose kids went/are going to little private colleges (3K or fewer students) and the kids got all sorts of money from the school -so they amount of tuition or room/board was really reasonable. (I know 2 kids who pretty much just had to pay room/board - every thing else was covered by scholarships/grants/whatever from the school). I was talking about our smallest public 4 year campus. Most of the public universities as part of our systems need tuition to pay the bills.. The state provides 16% funding these days. It's going to decrease. We'll see how much. I wouldn't be surprised if it got to 11%.
I don't know how many research institutions there are..the flagship, of course. Probably the next biggest campus. Other than that, there's not many known for research. The smallest campuses have done what they can to control costs, to include cutting programs already..Really, the best option would be to shut them down.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 23, 2020 15:23:27 GMT -5
I think that this is going to change how we think of disease in the future. These days, we have gotten so complacent that you get sick, you do to the doctor and take a pill and you are better. Even cancer isn't as feared as it once was. We have gotten complacent. Doctors can't always fix it. Science doesn't always know and never before has that slapped most in the face as it has right now. I remember the time where childhood diseases were not taken lightly. It was assumed that you'd get them, and it was well known that some kids died. My best friend and I got the measles together when we were 4.....he died. Polio was feared, and life pre polio vaccine was comparable with today with regards to covid - but for children. Don't say that you'll be accused of wanting to murder grandma.
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Post by haapai on May 23, 2020 15:40:07 GMT -5
I don't think that I'll be able to go back to paying my water bill in person without getting dirty looks, especially if I pay cash. I'll miss this excuse to take the dog for a walk and get a smile out of someone.
It may be a very long time before I am able to browse a library or a bookstore. It's the same issues again. It just doesn't feel right to chain someone behind a desk during an epidemic and it probably isn't right to offer this service as a dispensation to elderly persons who dislike tech since it is several times more dangerous for them.
I suspect that cash will become much rarer and it will become much easier to capture a paper trail of transactions and thus tax persons who had previously practiced quite a bit of tax evasion. This may make it very hard for restaurants and bars to reopen, not necessarily because they were reliant on such systems in the past but because the option to do so during very slow or rough times was an important survival mechanism. Yeah, I feel a bit squicky talking about felonies so cavalierly but there will be some changes in this part of the economy. I also might be being a bit too kind regarding how much tax evasion was going on.
I'm going to have to obtain a smart phone. learn how to use it, and pay more for basic communication services as a result. Sadly, the odds are good that this phone will contain a tracking app that may not get disabled after COVID-19 is no longer a threat.
No one who ever felt faintly lazy or anti-social for buying something on line instead of shopping for it in person is going to feel that way after this winter and spring. This is going to be terrible for folks who don't know exactly what they are looking for or enjoy examining their options. I do not apologize for my pessimism regarding this winter.
Absentee and mail-in only voting may persist after this thing from hell disappears too. I will miss voting in person but voting absentee may become a habit quite quickly. My town hasn't been the greatest about publicizing the ballot prior to elections and it sure is nice to fill out a ballot at your leisure while referring to other sources of information.
On the plus side, I have absolutely no doubt that sports and children canvassing neighborhoods for charitable donations of returnable bottles will return. There's just too much easy money in both of those activities. They will be back.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 23, 2020 16:07:58 GMT -5
I think there will be major shakeout s in the travel industry. Likely fewer airlines. Cruises may become less popular. Suspect tighter border controls will reappear. Places dependent on tourism may be hurt. Travel may be more like 50 years ago, where people stayed closer to home, instead of traveling cross-country and internationally
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 23, 2020 16:36:17 GMT -5
unless there is no immunity after getting it and you get it just as bad on a second exposure - very little will change permanently in terms of things people want to do. like sports and music venues. covid will roll around for a couple of years and then everyone will have gotten, one way or another, and things will settle down a few years after that.
in terms of shopping conveniences, yes people will keep up with it.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 23, 2020 17:08:55 GMT -5
I don't know if we will ever go back to shaking hands. I had 4 interviews on March 12th and it is a normal instinct when you meet someone. I had to sign a waiver as I walked in and use hand sanitizer. One person would not shake hands so we did an elbow bump. I don't care either way but like Tenn posted with Europeans, it will be weird Had a a/c technician come to the home yesterday as a/c is out. When entering the home and when the tech was leaving I automatically extended my hand for a hand shake. Decades of habit. But I quickly remembered and we did an elbow bumps. That was the good news. The bad news is a need I whole new a/c system. Grrrrrrr.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 17:48:25 GMT -5
I think that this is going to change how we think of disease in the future. These days, we have gotten so complacent that you get sick, you do to the doctor and take a pill and you are better. Even cancer isn't as feared as it once was. We have gotten complacent. Doctors can't always fix it. Science doesn't always know and never before has that slapped most in the face as it has right now. I remember the time where childhood diseases were not taken lightly. It was assumed that you'd get them, and it was well known that some kids died. My best friend and I got the measles together when we were 4.....he died. Polio was feared, and life pre polio vaccine was comparable with today with regards to covid - but for children. Our church Business Manager, who died last year, was a childhood polio survivor who used a motorized scooter to get around. What I didn't hear until last month was that when she was a child, her mother asked the doctor about the polio vaccine and he told her that the polio scare was overrated and to let her daughter go swimming in public pools if she wanted. I think people will get complacent again. It may take a few years but they will. One scientist pointed out that COVOD-19 still lives on in its animal hosts. This, of course, is not the first disease transmitted from animal to human and there will be others. I may relax somewhat but I'll always be a little warier having been though this. In late February my church had a Mardi Gras potluck. On March 8, my last Sunday before my trip, I joked about taking an extra- big slug of communion wine since many people were already avoiding it. Then I got on a plane to Bolivia on March 10. Now it all seems foolhardy. Other changes: I agree with more teleworking and on-line shopping and delivery. I hope the wages of the "essential workers", especially the ones who clean up after us and take care of the elderly, increase. I hope that meat is produced under safer and humane conditions. If the cost goes up, so much the better- our per capita consumption is about twice what it should be. I hope companies take a hard look at their supply chains and ask why they were so darned dependent on China. More education will shift to on-line. Not all, I hope- the school where I'm taking theology classes was built around assignments at home, followed by an intensive weekend of class time, followed by post-assignments at home. They're doing the classroom sessions on Zoom now, of course. I REALLY miss the in-person interaction. I'll probably think of more!
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 23, 2020 18:04:37 GMT -5
I think I will be doing more shopping online instead of going into stores in many places.
People will be back wasting their money like they did before. they could save more if they wanted to for the next time there is trouble.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 18:18:14 GMT -5
I think we are going to be fatter... Even with effort to the contrary, it's hard to not snack or enjoy baking when home 24/7.
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Post by oped on May 23, 2020 18:20:47 GMT -5
I’m down 12 lb but they are becoming hard won.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 18:22:17 GMT -5
I’m down 12 lb but they are becoming hard won. I hope to head in that direction next week when my rig is fixed and I can go hiking again. Oregon opened up public lands and parks, so it's time to adventure before it gets too hot.
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