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Post by TheHaitian on May 13, 2020 15:10:24 GMT -5
People are idiots... didn’t someone get shot over face mask recently too? Now watching the video , personal bias: you touch me, you punch me; I literally will forget that I am an employee and it is ON. Self defense / survival mode. These employees were way too corporate after the first punch was thrown and multitude afterwards were followed. My hood rat self is coming out and it is a brawl. Sorry long day but getting tired of “customers” thinking just because we are at work they can get away with pulling any sort of shit. As I told one the other day thinking he was all powerful behind the glass protecting him: don’t press your luck because it takes me a second to take off my name tag and it is on.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 15:15:24 GMT -5
1. Because even during a pandemic part of the population is bat shit crazy.
2. Because people are being encouraged by Faux and their leader to "liberate" their rights from being told what to do.
3. Because people in this country seem to have a problem giving a shit about other people in any sort of actual meaningful way.
etc....
I'm sorry to say, but this is just the beginning of what is going to be more social unrest.
It's going to get a lot worse. I don't believe grab your gun and head for the bunker worse, but it's going to get worse. How can it not without support for the millions of people losing their jobs?
The medical professionals were trying to tell everyone so yesterday in the hearings. They kept mentioning how this is only the start of the second inning of the game, not the 8th inning as the leadership seems to insinuate.
I've been called a fear monger previously here for pointing out that you can only shit on poor people for so long before they revolt and do what they need to in order to feed themselves and their kids.
My prediction when this started was So. CA will be the first place for widespread unrest and I still think that's very possible given the current climate, HCOL, and lack of UI access.
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Post by jerseygirl on May 13, 2020 15:21:59 GMT -5
Yes it’s a mess But think it will be an even bigger mess if the people become more and more dependent on government. And both parties are pretty incompetent
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Post by andi9899 on May 13, 2020 15:22:03 GMT -5
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Post by TheHaitian on May 13, 2020 15:26:14 GMT -5
Yes it’s a mess But think it will be an even bigger mess if the people become more and more dependent on government. And both parties are pretty incompetent What does that have to do with wearing a mask for the safety of everyone?
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 13, 2020 15:29:21 GMT -5
If agree with the Haitian. People will have their temperature taken and will wear a mask, or we will not see you. Complain about it and we will discharge you from the practice. Threaten us, and I will call the police. We, the medical profession, have been too tolerant of bad behavior. No more. Follow the guidelines or go somewhere else. And the thing here, since we have a significant outbreak, there is nowhere else to go
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 15:32:00 GMT -5
Yes it’s a mess But think it will be an even bigger mess if the people become more and more dependent on government. And both parties are pretty incompetent I actually agree with the sentiment. I'm fine with only medical support for the population - if and only if - there is no corporate bailouts at all. You can't tell people to starve while bailing out airlines and car companies. You also can't restrict commerce when people want to sell things. I like seeing local farmers now selling direct to consumers, crafters selling masks, independent grocery delivery services sprouting up, etc... But the local town has already started harassing people about getting approval for business licenses and other bureaucracy. Just as one business closes, there will be others who open. If you don't support people then some will make their own way. Just as Corporate America should have to do all on its own. But, in the USA, opening a small business often means you likely have no healthcare. That's a problem we have to solve if we ever want small businesses to thrive in this country.
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Post by Opti on May 13, 2020 15:41:58 GMT -5
Yes it’s a mess But think it will be an even bigger mess if the people become more and more dependent on government. And both parties are pretty incompetent What does that have to do with wearing a mask for the safety of everyone? Exactly. Even if it was inspired by a LA rule, no one has the right to assault retail workers or any worker just because they are unhappy.
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Post by formerroomate99 on May 13, 2020 15:53:26 GMT -5
If agree with the Haitian. People will have their temperature taken and will wear a mask, or we will not see you. Complain about it and we will discharge you from the practice. Threaten us, and I will call the police. We, the medical profession, have been too tolerant of bad behavior. No more. Follow the guidelines or go somewhere else. And the thing here, since we have a significant outbreak, there is nowhere else to go Well considering that you’re living in the epicenter of the outbreak, it’s pretty easy for people to understand the reasons for the precautions. And in your case, staying locked down for this long and keeping the social distancing requirements is absolutely necessary. It’s a little harder for people living in some suburban or rural area that Has only seen a handful of cases to wrap their heads around this. And they’re probably wondering why they’re being punished because New York waited 1 to 2 months too long to lock down.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 13, 2020 16:02:09 GMT -5
If agree with the Haitian. People will have their temperature taken and will wear a mask, or we will not see you. Complain about it and we will discharge you from the practice. Threaten us, and I will call the police. We, the medical profession, have been too tolerant of bad behavior. No more. Follow the guidelines or go somewhere else. And the thing here, since we have a significant outbreak, there is nowhere else to go Well considering that you’re living in the epicenter of the outbreak, it’s pretty easy for people to understand the reasons for the precautions. And in your case, staying locked down for this long and keeping the social distancing requirements is absolutely necessary. It’s a little harder for people living in some suburban or rural area that Has only seen a handful of cases to wrap their heads around this. And they’re probably wondering why they’re being punished because New York waited 1 to 2 months too long to lock down. Except in many areas they are complaining about masks and not following social distancing. If we are actually trying to be careful and follow guidelines, we will get to where we wish to more quickly. I recognize everywhere is different. But many less affected areas could have unwanted first hand experience with this virus because of idiots
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 13, 2020 16:02:46 GMT -5
If agree with the Haitian. People will have their temperature taken and will wear a mask, or we will not see you. Complain about it and we will discharge you from the practice. Threaten us, and I will call the police. We, the medical profession, have been too tolerant of bad behavior. No more. Follow the guidelines or go somewhere else. And the thing here, since we have a significant outbreak, there is nowhere else to go Well considering that you’re living in the epicenter of the outbreak, it’s pretty easy for people to understand the reasons for the precautions. And in your case, staying locked down for this long and keeping the social distancing requirements is absolutely necessary. It’s a little harder for people living in some suburban or rural area that Has only seen a handful of cases to wrap their heads around this. And they’re probably wondering why they’re being punished because New York waited 1 to 2 months too long to lock down. so they can wait 1-2 months too long as well? makes sense ? I don't think so.....
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 13, 2020 16:17:48 GMT -5
I have to admit that I am wondering if these - I get to shop here and don't have to follow store rules cuz I got liberties crowd is also in the camp of stores can refuse services to LGBTQ cuz religious liberties.
just a suspicion - but if there is a lot of overlap? yes - I will point my pointy fingers....more so than they are pointing now....but rest assured....they are pretty pointy.
if you get my point.
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Post by formerroomate99 on May 13, 2020 16:18:09 GMT -5
Well considering that you’re living in the epicenter of the outbreak, it’s pretty easy for people to understand the reasons for the precautions. And in your case, staying locked down for this long and keeping the social distancing requirements is absolutely necessary. It’s a little harder for people living in some suburban or rural area that Has only seen a handful of cases to wrap their heads around this. And they’re probably wondering why they’re being punished because New York waited 1 to 2 months too long to lock down. so they can wait 1-2 months too long as well? makes sense ? I don't think so..... Human nature is stupid Rukh. You should know that. If this thing had hit a red state first, I can pretty much guarantee there would be at least three threads on the politics board talking about how stupid red state governors are, and how this would never happen in New York. And do you really think trump could have convinced New York to shut down when they had 50 cases, like my state did?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 13, 2020 16:24:17 GMT -5
so they can wait 1-2 months too long as well? makes sense ? I don't think so..... Human nature is stupid Rukh. You should know that. If this thing had hit a red state first, I can pretty much guarantee there would be at least three threads on the politics board talking about how stupid red state governors are, and how this would never happen in New York. And do you really think trump could have convinced New York to shut down when they had 50 cases, like my state did? I would think they'd want to take advantage of the information to avoid the surge.....
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Post by Opti on May 13, 2020 16:24:49 GMT -5
If agree with the Haitian. People will have their temperature taken and will wear a mask, or we will not see you. Complain about it and we will discharge you from the practice. Threaten us, and I will call the police. We, the medical profession, have been too tolerant of bad behavior. No more. Follow the guidelines or go somewhere else. And the thing here, since we have a significant outbreak, there is nowhere else to go Well considering that you’re living in the epicenter of the outbreak, it’s pretty easy for people to understand the reasons for the precautions. And in your case, staying locked down for this long and keeping the social distancing requirements is absolutely necessary. It’s a little harder for people living in some suburban or rural area that Has only seen a handful of cases to wrap their heads around this. And they’re probably wondering why they’re being punished because New York waited 1 to 2 months too long to lock down. I understand what you are saying about areas where this was light. However, the incident in the OP happened in LA county. Probably the epi-center for CA. www.bing.com/search?q=la+county+covid+stats&form=EDNTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&msnews=1&rec_search=1&plvar=0&refig=43189a800b2441adf98869a0991da923&PC=DCTS&sp=1&ghc=1&qs=AS&pq=la+county+covid+&sk=PRES1&sc=8-16&cvid=43189a800b2441adf98869a0991da923&cc=US&setlang=en-US33,247 confirmed cases 1617 deaths
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 13, 2020 16:44:48 GMT -5
so they can wait 1-2 months too long as well? makes sense ? I don't think so..... Human nature is stupid Rukh. You should know that. If this thing had hit a red state first, I can pretty much guarantee there would be at least three threads on the politics board talking about how stupid red state governors are, and how this would never happen in New York. And do you really think trump could have convinced New York to shut down when they had 50 cases, like my state did? Failing to believe what experts are saying, and refusing to learn lessons from those who have experienced it is stupid. And you can criticize the first to experience this all you want, but if those areas that are ignoring advice and the experience gained have a significant outbreak, I can assure you I will call them stupid. Mistakes were made in NY, no doubt. But again, the Federal government, the people who are supposed to protect the nation, ignored this, and the person who was the head called it a hoax, and he still refuses to take it seriously. He now wants to change the death numbers, because he "feels" they are too high. Its all about optics, not doing what is necessary. So, every time you say Cuomo screwed up, I will counter with Trump, because as Truman said "The buck stops here", whereas Trump says "It is not my fault". Who would you like to lead you in a crisis
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 18:02:50 GMT -5
The very real possibility of encountering aggressively stupid people is one more reason I will continue to avoid many retail venues. We really do need to go to Costco to get DH's hearing aids cleaned but I'm scared of the crazies in line. I'm still very, very uncomfortable with the open carry folks around me in retail venues; add the possibility of protesters and I'm just not doing it. It's bad enough to be scared of the virus; it's horrible to be scared of people in our community who refuse to wear masks and distance, and are angry that I am doing so.
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Post by movingforward on May 13, 2020 18:05:58 GMT -5
I stopped by the post office today to pick up the company mail and none of the postal workers had on masks. Weird since they have had them on the last 4-5 weeks.
I live in a large city where there have been quite a few cases and recoveries (my state is one the few doing a good job of tracking recoveries). Every now and then I wonder if someone not wearing a mask might have already had the virus. Sometimes I feel like people should have a big sign around their neck saying "Hi, my name is X. Don't worry I have already had COVID and recovered. Feel free to talk to me. You can even ask me questions about my experience."
I am half kidding, but only half...
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Post by azucena on May 13, 2020 18:39:39 GMT -5
Those who were wearing masks and now aren't seem to be under the impression that this is over.
Once again if we had a leader who told put the experts in front of us maybe more people would understand.
It's interesting. even my isolated elementary school kids who heard friends saying they are going shopping on Monday when things reopen stopped to ask - wait does that mean there is a cure or vaccine? And when they heard nope, dd11 was like well what changed to make it all better then.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 13, 2020 18:40:50 GMT -5
out of the mouths of babes....
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 13, 2020 18:56:47 GMT -5
Human nature is stupid Rukh. You should know that. If this thing had hit a red state first, I can pretty much guarantee there would be at least three threads on the politics board talking about how stupid red state governors are, and how this would never happen in New York. And do you really think trump could have convinced New York to shut down when they had 50 cases, like my state did? Failing to believe what experts are saying, and refusing to learn lessons from those who have experienced it is stupid. And you can criticize the first to experience this all you want, but if those areas that are ignoring advice and the experience gained have a significant outbreak, I can assure you I will call them stupid. Mistakes were made in NY, no doubt. But again, the Federal government, the people who are supposed to protect the nation, ignored this, and the person who was the head called it a hoax, and he still refuses to take it seriously. He now wants to change the death numbers, because he "feels" they are too high. Its all about optics, not doing what is necessary. So, every time you say Cuomo screwed up, I will counter with Trump, because as Truman said "The buck stops here", whereas Trump says "It is not my fault". Who would you like to lead you in a crisis I would like for him to shut up for once and listen to the experts. Dr. Fauci has been in charge of this sort of thing since I was born. He's forgot more about viruses and pandemics than Trump will ever know. But the problem is Trump has to think he's the smartest guy in the room. He wants this whole problem to just go away. He's not interested in hearing facts that conflict with his desired version of reality. And that has sadly cost us a whole bunch of lives. Because Trump says it's no big deal and there's a whole lot of people who live and die by what he says. I don't know when society got so stupid and gave up on science.
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Post by movingforward on May 13, 2020 18:59:42 GMT -5
Those who were wearing masks and now aren't seem to be under the impression that this is over. Once again if we had a leader who told put the experts in front of us maybe more people would understand. It's interesting. even my isolated elementary school kids who heard friends saying they are going shopping on Monday when things reopen stopped to ask - wait does that mean there is a cure or vaccine? And when they heard nope, dd11 was like well what changed to make it all better then. Most of the people i know that are choosing to venture out and/or not wear masks are under no illusion that this is over. They are just making a choice to take the risk. I don't necessarily fault anyone for wanting to get out and about. I do; however, have a problem with them not wearing a mask. If the virus spreads through droplets then everyone wearing a mask would help us be able to open the world more safely. I work for a number of doctors and they have all said that if people would practice good hygiene and wear a mask then we can start to open things without raising the numbers much. Too bad there are so many jackasses that don't seem to get it...
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 13, 2020 19:25:33 GMT -5
Those who were wearing masks and now aren't seem to be under the impression that this is over. Once again if we had a leader who told put the experts in front of us maybe more people would understand. It's interesting. even my isolated elementary school kids who heard friends saying they are going shopping on Monday when things reopen stopped to ask - wait does that mean there is a cure or vaccine? And when they heard nope, dd11 was like well what changed to make it all better then. Most of the people i know that are choosing to venture out and/or not wear masks are under no illusion that this is over. They are just making a choice to take the risk. I don't necessarily fault anyone for wanting to get out and about. I do; however, have a problem with them not wearing a mask. If the virus spreads through droplets then everyone wearing a mask would help us be able to open the world more safely. I work for a number of doctors and they have all said that if people would practice good hygiene and wear a mask then we can start to open things without raising the numbers much. Too bad there are so many jackasses that don't seem to get it... [br Yes, we can decrease the impact this has on our society. That requires working together and listening to experts. I don’t have much hope for that]
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 21:18:17 GMT -5
Previously my grocery store clerks had masks on. When I went yesterday they did not. And, this store has no spit shields or anything installed.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on May 13, 2020 21:24:14 GMT -5
Previously my grocery store clerks had masks on. When I went yesterday they did not. And, this store has no spit shields or anything installed. Yeesh! I’d be asking the manager some questions
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Post by movingforward on May 13, 2020 21:29:18 GMT -5
Previously my grocery store clerks had masks on. When I went yesterday they did not. And, this store has no spit shields or anything installed. Yeesh! I’d be asking the manager some questions I would be staying home and having groceries delivered
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 21:29:33 GMT -5
Previously my grocery store clerks had masks on. When I went yesterday they did not. And, this store has no spit shields or anything installed. Yeesh! I’d be asking the manager some questions This isn't rare here. It's more the new normal.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 21:31:30 GMT -5
Yeesh! I’d be asking the manager some questions I would be staying home and having groceries delivered There is no grocery delivery here in the boonies other than Amazon, Boxed, etc... I buy things online and visit the local store once a week or so depending on what we need to restock. I've been stocking up for the upcoming local outbreak. I would be seriously shocked if this area doesn't have one. And, when it does, I don't want to have to leave home for a while.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 13, 2020 22:09:48 GMT -5
The very real possibility of encountering aggressively stupid people is one more reason I will continue to avoid many retail venues. We really do need to go to Costco to get DH's hearing aids cleaned but I'm scared of the crazies in line. I'm still very, very uncomfortable with the open carry folks around me in retail venues; add the possibility of protesters and I'm just not doing it. It's bad enough to be scared of the virus; it's horrible to be scared of people in our community who refuse to wear masks and distance, and are angry that I am doing so. You might want to check that these services are open. Many of Costco’s special services (like the optical shop) are currently closed.
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