emma1420
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Post by emma1420 on May 13, 2020 14:52:26 GMT -5
Although it sounds nice to get $2k a month until this ends, I am not a fan of more national debt. I certainly don't want to cut necessary programs and funding it through taxes is always a fight. I understand the need to get folks back to work so they can be self-sufficient. I think if social distancing and face masks are kept as mandatory, then most businesses should be able to be back up and running. sporting events, concerts, and dining in at restaurants might be a bit longer. I know compromise in never easy in washington and both sides always try to slip in non-related items to a bill. I guess I'm an optimist and hope they can come together for the sake of the country. I don't want people to become homeless and in poverty. I am okay with some debt for that. We provide plenty of corporate welfare, so we should help actual people instead. I know many people, who's entire industry has been decimated. It's not a case of there being fewer jobs or less revenue. There are no jobs and no revenue. And none of those jobs or revenue will return until large group gatherings can be held. So these people will be unemployed or competing for jobs with little to few qualifications that apply for the next year to 18 months at least. For example, I have a friend who works in AV for large convention centers and conference centers. He often travels for various groups. He's been laid off from his primary employer and all his side gigs have dried up. He doesn't anticipate working again in any meaningful way until 2022. He's been very fiscally conservative. His house is pretty much paid off and he has savings, but even he can't manage until 2022 on savings and unemployment. And he has no children, no spouse, and no debt. He is someone who needs some help. Whether that is extra money in his unemployment check, money for retraining, etc. He needs something. He's done everything right, but his industry has been destroyed through no fault of his own.
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TheHaitian
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Post by TheHaitian on May 13, 2020 14:57:29 GMT -5
Although it sounds nice to get $2k a month until this ends, I am not a fan of more national debt. I certainly don't want to cut necessary programs and funding it through taxes is always a fight. I understand the need to get folks back to work so they can be self-sufficient. I think if social distancing and face masks are kept as mandatory, then most businesses should be able to be back up and running. sporting events, concerts, and dining in at restaurants might be a bit longer. I know compromise in never easy in washington and both sides always try to slip in non-related items to a bill. I guess I'm an optimist and hope they can come together for the sake of the country. I don't want people to become homeless and in poverty. I am okay with some debt for that. We provide plenty of corporate welfare, so we should help actual people instead. I know many people, who's entire industry has been decimated. It's not a case of there being fewer jobs or less revenue. There are no jobs and no revenue. And none of those jobs or revenue will return until large group gatherings can be held. So these people will be unemployed or competing for jobs with little to few qualifications that apply for the next year to 18 months at least. For example, I have a friend who works in AV for large convention centers and conference centers. He often travels for various groups. He's been laid off from his primary employer and all his side gigs have dried up. He doesn't anticipate working again in any meaningful way until 2022. He's been very fiscally conservative. His house is pretty much paid off and he has savings, but even he can't manage until 2022 on savings and unemployment. And he has no children, no spouse, and no debt. He is someone who needs some help. Whether that is extra money in his unemployment check, money for retraining, etc. He needs something. He's done everything right, but his industry has been destroyed through no fault of his own. My wife cousin is worried now... she works for American Express as a corporate event organizer/coordinator. But the way all big companies are canceling all corporate events for the rest of 2020... she is concerned her job might be next: why keep corporate event personnel on the payroll when no corporate even if being planned? Or trim her department to the bone...
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 15:01:08 GMT -5
I wonder how many people the California colleges employed that aren't directly related to teaching? The food service people, janitorial staff, housing staff. Or the landlords that owned all the housing around the schools that depended on students paying rent?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 13, 2020 15:08:46 GMT -5
My government is giving $2,000 a month to people who have lost their jobs and are struggling due to Covid. Not everyone gets it. If you QUIT your job, you don't get it. If you're working from home, you don't get it. Giving money to everyone seems foolish. Trudeau announced yesterday that seniors will get an extra $300-$500 to cover incidentals...they already get pensions, but their expenses could rise, like ordering food and essentials online, because they're vulnerable and shouldn't leave their homes. Getting their meds delivered, things like that. Why give money to EVERYBODY? It makes no sense to me. The US is giving $2400/month on top of unemployment to those that lost their jobs. I'd be a little owly if they handed out another 2K on top of that to everyone and left me out.
The problem is that unemployment in some states is utterly horrible. The single month TD was on unemployment (back when his company shuttered), he got a whopping $350/week and he was receiving maxed out benefits. How far would that go in a city where you cannot rent a studio apartment for under $900/mo?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 15:15:02 GMT -5
The US is giving $2400/month on top of unemployment to those that lost their jobs. I'd be a little owly if they handed out another 2K on top of that to everyone and left me out.
The problem is that unemployment in some states is utterly horrible. The single month TD was on unemployment (back when his company shuttered), he got a whopping $350/week and he was receiving maxed out benefits. How far would that go in a city where you cannot rent a studio apartment for under $900/mo? Right...but there's $600/week on top of that. I'm just saying I'd be annoyed if the unemployed got $4400/month on top of unemployment and the ones working got nothing.
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jerseygirl
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Post by jerseygirl on May 13, 2020 15:18:38 GMT -5
This is becoming more like Socialism where the government is in charge of lots of the economy and people are dependent on money from government, VA type health care No thank you for anymore of this mess
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 15:21:31 GMT -5
The problem is the unemployed aren't getting unemployment because their states' systems can't process all the claims and none of them were even set up for 1099 or SE people.
The state systems will also run out of money from all the claims if the Feds don't help fund them.
I'd much rather see stimulus sent to all Americans. If you don't need it or want it, then donate it or help out one of your relatives/friends who does. Allow people who are suffering to get some relief.
But, the leadership also really needs to make a plan for moving forward. I think the fact there's no workable testing/tracing or any other sort of plan to control the pandemic is a huge problem.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 13, 2020 15:35:25 GMT -5
The problem is that unemployment in some states is utterly horrible. The single month TD was on unemployment (back when his company shuttered), he got a whopping $350/week and he was receiving maxed out benefits. How far would that go in a city where you cannot rent a studio apartment for under $900/mo? Right...but there's $600/week on top of that. I'm just saying I'd be annoyed if the unemployed got $4400/month on top of unemployment and the ones working got nothing. Is this $2000/mo an extension of the $600/week that ends in July or on top of it? From what I can tell from the local groups, those who have been filing UI have been having a horrible problem getting ANY benefits right now. At the end of the day, those who are still working have a job and benefits and those who do not are going to be dangling at the end when the stimulus money ends. This is like a short term solution for a long term problem.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 13, 2020 15:45:04 GMT -5
Although it sounds nice to get $2k a month until this ends, I am not a fan of more national debt. I certainly don't want to cut necessary programs and funding it through taxes is always a fight. I understand the need to get folks back to work so they can be self-sufficient. I think if social distancing and face masks are kept as mandatory, then most businesses should be able to be back up and running. sporting events, concerts, and dining in at restaurants might be a bit longer. I know compromise in never easy in washington and both sides always try to slip in non-related items to a bill. I guess I'm an optimist and hope they can come together for the sake of the country. This is just the latest in a long series of employees being hit, kicked, run over, spat on, etc. Ignorant neanderthals don't WANT to wear masks. "Nobody tells me what to do!!" Man refusing to wear mask breaks arm of Target employee www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/12/target-store-mask-fight-orig-mg.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 16:22:30 GMT -5
Right...but there's $600/week on top of that. I'm just saying I'd be annoyed if the unemployed got $4400/month on top of unemployment and the ones working got nothing. Is this $2000/mo an extension of the $600/week that ends in July or on top of it? From what I can tell from the local groups, those who have been filing UI have been having a horrible problem getting ANY benefits right now. At the end of the day, those who are still working have a job and benefits and those who do not are going to be dangling at the end when the stimulus money ends. This is like a short term solution for a long term problem. The $2000/month for up to a year is proposed for EVERYONE employed or not on top of any unemployment for up to a year in the bill this post is about. I was just responding to weltz who was saying it should only go to those that lost their jobs and being a waste of money to give to everyone. But, it will never happen anyhow.
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