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Post by Gardening Grandma on May 11, 2020 14:11:58 GMT -5
GG, super thanks!!! I just called the local store and they ARE open. I'm off............ Be careful BG
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 11, 2020 14:34:02 GMT -5
Our unemployment fund will be out of $$ in October, but if they had adopted/accepted the federal unemployment rules (waived the 1 week wait to receive UC) they would have 25 Million More if they weren't so arrogant. They have gotten so used to being rewarded for being arrogant a-holes, they can't stop to save themselves. I know. Which also worries me about what they will do when the state has to start borrowing for unemployment...and then has to pay it back. That's just more budget cuts for them to start working on. Which also pisses me off, because per capita, we're one of the states with the least # of public sector workers. Like #42 out of 50. Folks will keep drinking the kool-aid that we're all evil, teat sucking leaches.
Well hopefully the public sector workers and those impacted by this childish refusal to pass the bill to change UI will vote in Nov to get these jackwagons out of office. Especially "their" fearless leader who is a dipshit.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 14:53:29 GMT -5
Interesting to note that we don’t even keep track of illnesses experienced after air travel. Is that because catching something while flying is so common that it is an expected part of air travel? They do when it's something serious- they did with passengers on planes carrying someone who later developed ebola (which had only a TINY chance of being transmitted on a plane unless they sneezed right into your face). My nephew was part of a group of athletes who got norovirus en route to an NCAA championship swim meet a few years ago and they traced it to a few planes- the affected athletes had started out in different areas of the country. They actually delayed the meet a couple of days. Nephew's team won. I had to laugh at the clueless public- within 24 hours I read an article chastising United for flying with a plane crammed full of passengers and also read that Frontier Airlines backed down after public outrage in response to their plan to let you book an empty middle seat- for $39 to $89. You can't have it both ways, peeps. It costs $X to get the plane from A to B and that amount changes very little if the plane is only 2/3 full. Empty middle seats will not come free.
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Post by hoops902 on May 11, 2020 14:59:19 GMT -5
Interesting to note that we don’t even keep track of illnesses experienced after air travel. Is that because catching something while flying is so common that it is an expected part of air travel? They do when it's something serious- they did with passengers on planes carrying someone who later developed ebola (which had only a TINY chance of being transmitted on a plane unless they sneezed right into your face). My nephew was part of a group of athletes who got norovirus en route to an NCAA championship swim meet a few years ago and they traced it to a few planes- the affected athletes had started out in different areas of the country. They actually delayed the meet a couple of days. Nephew's team won. I had to laugh at the clueless public- within 24 hours I read an article chastising United for flying with a plane crammed full of passengers and also read that Frontier Airlines backed down after public outrage in response to their plan to let you book an empty middle seat- for $39 to $89. You can't have it both ways, peeps. It costs $X to get the plane from A to B and that amount changes very little if the plane is only 2/3 full. Empty middle seats will not come free. I might be wrong, but I believe the outrage against United was that they were telling people the middle seats would be empty, then people bought tickets, then they showed to find the tickets they'd purchased under the promise of not having anyone in the middle seats did in fact have people in the middle seats. Empty middle seats won't come free...but if you buy a ticket on the premise the middle seat will be empty, then you're not exactly getting what you paid for if the middle seat is occupied. I don't know details...but that was the claim.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 15:12:58 GMT -5
I might be wrong, but I believe the outrage against United was that they were telling people the middle seats would be empty, then people bought tickets, then they showed to find the tickets they'd purchased under the promise of not having anyone in the middle seats did in fact have people in the middle seats. Empty middle seats won't come free...but if you buy a ticket on the premise the middle seat will be empty, then you're not exactly getting what you paid for if the middle seat is occupied. I don't know details...but that was the claim. Most of the "We care, we're all in this together" e-mails I get form the airlines kind of imply that they'll TRY to keep middle seats empty. Looks like this was the case with United. Here's one article. www.cnn.com/travel/article/doctor-united-full-flight-social-distancing-trnd/index.html
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Post by emma1420 on May 11, 2020 15:28:57 GMT -5
I have a flight booked to England in December. We will see if the border will be open and what restrictions may be in place then. I'm really hoping that things may be more under control by then (and that flu season and the winter months don't make things much worse) that I feel comfortable enough taking the trip. I'd like to see my family.
But, I don't see any sort of boom in spending. I know a lot of people who have lost their jobs, and they are in industries that will not see any sort of meaningful recovery until there is a vaccine and/or easily accessible treatments that prevent hospitalization. And in my industry we've already seen a bunch of layoffs, and I expect that we will be changing the way that we do business, and a lot of those changes will become permanent.
Some industries I don't believe will ever recover completely.
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Post by justme on May 11, 2020 15:29:56 GMT -5
So assuming schools open up (ie I still have a job) I'll have 5 weeks that are expiring next May thanks to the extension they are giving for the weeks expiring now. I already have a cruise booked in Feb (it was technically booked right before shit got super crazy but it was right after the extended cruise I was on). So that means I've got 4 weeks to plan and I will do everything in my power to not use them at home (unless it's to do my floors/kitchen cabinets).
I'm in the process of looking at local and abroad options and queuing them up. I want to hopefully prioritize stuff I haven't because of the time outlay - Panama Canal cruise (usually a 2 week cruise), vacation out to Hawaii (basically 2 days to get there), Australia or Europe (more worried about their borders staying closed). Trying to come up with some other options in case most countries stay closed for a while-- a road trip would be really fun but I don't think I can get someone else on that plan and less inclined to road trip solo.
Work is going to love me because I think it'll end up being 5 weeks vacation between Jan-May!!
All this is predicated on how things shake out. I do have some risk factors so I'm not going to hop out there and be the first out there, but I don't think I'll stay secluded that long either. Right now around me they haven't opened up the anti body test for everyone yet -- I know we don't know for sure if there's immunity but if I had it I'll probably feel much better about traveling.
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Post by justme on May 11, 2020 16:54:48 GMT -5
I dunno, most airplanes don't have buffets. The room you stay in is almost a sterile suite compared to the plane, but all the other public areas are far worse IMO. The plane has fewer people, and far fewer people than will be in your immediate vicinity compared to the number of people who will be near you on a cruise ship. Doubly so for things like someone sneezing...if someone on a plane sneezes into their hand...they may wipe it on the seat in front of them or the shared arm rest or something...if someone on a cruise ship sneezes into their hand and then touches a stair railing...congratulations to everyone else who uses the stairs! On a plane you're screwed if you end up sitting right next to someone sick...on a cruise ship you might be screwed if anyone on the ship is sick given the ease of spread. You make several good points, Hoops. However, with the exception of the buffet, the conditions you attribute to the common areas of a cruise ship sound very much like the conditions we experience while we are in an airport. Considering that a cruise ship has, maybe up to 7,000 passengers, while even a moderately busy airport will serve tens of thousands of passengers per day (our dinky, 20 gate, local airport serves over 11,500 passengers a day), I think that an airplane/airport is a riskier proposition than a cruise ship. Interesting to note that we don’t even keep track of illnesses experienced after air travel. Is that because catching something while flying is so common that it is an expected part of air travel? It's a tracking issue. Did you catch the disease at the airport? The hotel you stayed at after? Any of your events on your trip? No one is on a plane long enough to develop symptoms unless you were just about to develop them anyways. So no one pegs it to that person sitting in front of you on a plane vs the table next to you at dinner vs something else. Airlines are THE reason that this disease spread yet everyone is like I'll never cruise again but are ok with flying. The reason why everyone thinks cruise ships are such petri dishes is because people are on there for several days straight. Long enough for things to percolate. I got sick after my trip to Vegas, but I was home by the time I was sick. I've gotten sick after trips to Disney. I've also gotten sick after cruises, but I've just as often not gotten sick (and most of the times I got sick was my damn asthma). On a cruise ship I'm around maybe 7000 people for seven days straight. A week at Disney has me around tens of thousands a DAY and brand new tens of thousands the next day. Same with Vegas, NYC, any other big tourist area.
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Post by movingforward on May 12, 2020 9:53:16 GMT -5
I would really like to buy some new bedroom furniture at some point.
I have noticed a few furniture delivery trucks in the neighborhood since they reopened last week.
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Post by movingforward on May 12, 2020 9:56:08 GMT -5
You make several good points, Hoops. However, with the exception of the buffet, the conditions you attribute to the common areas of a cruise ship sound very much like the conditions we experience while we are in an airport. Considering that a cruise ship has, maybe up to 7,000 passengers, while even a moderately busy airport will serve tens of thousands of passengers per day (our dinky, 20 gate, local airport serves over 11,500 passengers a day), I think that an airplane/airport is a riskier proposition than a cruise ship. Interesting to note that we don’t even keep track of illnesses experienced after air travel. Is that because catching something while flying is so common that it is an expected part of air travel? It's a tracking issue. Did you catch the disease at the airport? The hotel you stayed at after? Any of your events on your trip? No one is on a plane long enough to develop symptoms unless you were just about to develop them anyways. So no one pegs it to that person sitting in front of you on a plane vs the table next to you at dinner vs something else. Airlines are THE reason that this disease spread yet everyone is like I'll never cruise again but are ok with flying. The reason why everyone thinks cruise ships are such petri dishes is because people are on there for several days straight. Long enough for things to percolate. I got sick after my trip to Vegas, but I was home by the time I was sick. I've gotten sick after trips to Disney. I've also gotten sick after cruises, but I've just as often not gotten sick (and most of the times I got sick was my damn asthma). On a cruise ship I'm around maybe 7000 people for seven days straight. A week at Disney has me around tens of thousands a DAY and brand new tens of thousands the next day. Same with Vegas, NYC, any other big tourist area. My only issue with cruising over the next several months is the fear of getting quarantined on the ship.
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Post by NoNamePerson on May 12, 2020 10:56:13 GMT -5
I've been wanting to throw some money at a slot machine!!
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Post by movingforward on May 12, 2020 11:06:30 GMT -5
I've been wanting to throw some money at a slot machine!! You sound like my father - lol! He is retired and doesn't NEED the $1,200 stimulus money. He said he is going to go spend it at the casino when they reopen, and that will be his contribution to the economy. I said that's fine, but he should definitely look at it as a donation because i doubt those slot machines are going to be spitting out money any time soon. Depending on how things go, I may go visit him in a few months and make my own "donation" to the casinos.
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Post by pooks on May 12, 2020 12:30:45 GMT -5
I am sure there is some pent-up demand that will come rushing back when things open. Some people seem to be saving aggressively during the SIP. They may want to spend that money on a big ticket item when things reopen. I see home renovations taking off, but that is just a feeling.
I don't think it will be enough. DH's work has extended their no business travel policy to Oct 1. I wonder what will happen with the air B&B places that don't get rented because people won't fly. You also have the huge number of unemployed, who even if their jobs come back may need to pay some deferred expenses.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 12, 2020 13:28:22 GMT -5
People are renting Airbnb to have parties
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 12, 2020 13:31:49 GMT -5
It's a tracking issue. Did you catch the disease at the airport? The hotel you stayed at after? Any of your events on your trip? No one is on a plane long enough to develop symptoms unless you were just about to develop them anyways. So no one pegs it to that person sitting in front of you on a plane vs the table next to you at dinner vs something else. Airlines are THE reason that this disease spread yet everyone is like I'll never cruise again but are ok with flying. The reason why everyone thinks cruise ships are such petri dishes is because people are on there for several days straight. Long enough for things to percolate. I got sick after my trip to Vegas, but I was home by the time I was sick. I've gotten sick after trips to Disney. I've also gotten sick after cruises, but I've just as often not gotten sick (and most of the times I got sick was my damn asthma). On a cruise ship I'm around maybe 7000 people for seven days straight. A week at Disney has me around tens of thousands a DAY and brand new tens of thousands the next day. Same with Vegas, NYC, any other big tourist area. My only issue with cruising over the next several months is the fear of getting quarantined on the ship. I love cruising and this is absolutely my biggest fear. Plus I just read an article that Norwegian filed a going concern risk. They already have $1k of my money in deposits for future cruises (I bought $2k worth for $1k), I do not really want to give them anymore towards a cruise, just to have them go belly up. I definitely learned a lesson on buying gift cards/future deposits. On Black Friday, I bought about $500 in future services from my favorite spa. They were 20% off and I'm always going for deep tissue massages, pedicures, etc. This spa was sold recently and I know what it sold for as I almost bought it (bailed on the due diligence because I didn't want to use every asset I own as collateral). How long can the new owner go without income?? I definitely will think again before buying significant gift cards, future services, etc. I very well might be out $1,500 Drop in the bucket compared to someone losing their business, but it will definitely change my buying patterns in the future.
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Post by movingforward on May 12, 2020 14:32:06 GMT -5
My only issue with cruising over the next several months is the fear of getting quarantined on the ship. I love cruising and this is absolutely my biggest fear. Plus I just read an article that Norwegian filed a going concern risk. They already have $1k of my money in deposits for future cruises (I bought $2k worth for $1k), I do not really want to give them anymore towards a cruise, just to have them go belly up. I definitely learned a lesson on buying gift cards/future deposits. On Black Friday, I bought about $500 in future services from my favorite spa. They were 20% off and I'm always going for deep tissue massages, pedicures, etc. This spa was sold recently and I know what it sold for as I almost bought it (bailed on the due diligence because I didn't want to use every asset I own as collateral). How long can the new owner go without income?? I definitely will think again before buying significant gift cards, future services, etc. I very well might be out $1,500 Drop in the bucket compared to someone losing their business, but it will definitely change my buying patterns in the future. I bought a package of six 1.5 hour massages from my favorite spa around Christmas. I have used 3 of them. They never expire so I do hope to use the rest some day. Hopefully, they can weather the storm.
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Post by bean29 on May 12, 2020 14:32:52 GMT -5
That is why I won't buy restaurant gift cards or spa gift cards. Even my beautician could decide to work from a Salon closer to her home, or from her home, which is a long way from where I live now. I figure she has picked up a lot of word of mouth referral business, while the salons people normally go to are closed down. I really like the way she cuts my hair, and she is not all that expensive, but I am not driving 30 minutes or more just to get my hair done.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 15:15:15 GMT -5
Great Clips opened in my area- maybe 3 out of 8 near me. The closest one has an average wait time of 2 hours right now. Not a great inconvenience, I suppose- you check in on-line and then time your arrival for maybe 10 minutes before the estimated time- but they make it clear that it's not an "appointment".
I think I'll wait till the one closest to me opens up and has shorter wait times. Glad to see them up and running again, though.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 15:49:41 GMT -5
Great Clips opened in my area- maybe 3 out of 8 near me. The closest one has an average wait time of 2 hours right now. Not a great inconvenience, I suppose- you check in on-line and then time your arrival for maybe 10 minutes before the estimated time- but they make it clear that it's not an "appointment". I think I'll wait till the one closest to me opens up and has shorter wait times. Glad to see them up and running again, though. MN is supposed to open up on the 18th...I doubt it will fully, but I'm really hoping I can get DS in for a haircut if it happens. He graduates on the 22nd and it would be so nice if his hair fit under his cap. He's really scruffy. Great Clips is awesome because you can just watch on the app where you are in the queue and head in when it's your turn.
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Post by movingforward on May 12, 2020 16:26:31 GMT -5
Great Clips opened in my area- maybe 3 out of 8 near me. The closest one has an average wait time of 2 hours right now. Not a great inconvenience, I suppose- you check in on-line and then time your arrival for maybe 10 minutes before the estimated time- but they make it clear that it's not an "appointment". I think I'll wait till the one closest to me opens up and has shorter wait times. Glad to see them up and running again, though. I have an appointment with my stylist next week. I have very thick naturally curly hair so I need someone that knows how to cut that type of hair. I wish I could go somewhere like Great Clips but that hasn't turned out so great in the past. I'm probably going to tip him quite a bit. He has 2 kids under 5 and his wife is pregnant, plus she is a stay at home mom. The last time I saw him he told me he was scheduled for a vasectomy. Kid number 3 was not planned, but there will be no more oopsies
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 17:26:12 GMT -5
We use Great Clips and they are great for us. I rarely wait more than 10 minutes. Most of mine is done with clippers and just a bit of scissor work on the bangs and sideburns. But I won't be going for at least another six months, maybe a year. I can't wear a mask during the cut and that's a no-no for me. I will probably try a pedicure in 6 months of so if my place reopens because I can wear a masks for that.
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Post by movingforward on May 12, 2020 17:29:23 GMT -5
We use Great Clips and they are great for us. I rarely wait more than 10 minutes. Most of mine is done with clippers and just a bit of scissor work on the bangs and sideburns. But I won't be going for at least another six months, maybe a year. I can't wear a mask during the cut and that's a no-no for me. I will probably try a pedicure in 6 months of so if my place reopens because I can wear a masks for that. Why can't you wear a mask?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 17:43:05 GMT -5
We use Great Clips and they are great for us. I rarely wait more than 10 minutes. Most of mine is done with clippers and just a bit of scissor work on the bangs and sideburns. But I won't be going for at least another six months, maybe a year. I can't wear a mask during the cut and that's a no-no for me. I will probably try a pedicure in 6 months of so if my place reopens because I can wear a masks for that. Why can't you wear a mask? I don't see a way to fasten the tie-on type that won't interfere with the cut (one set of ties at back of head and one at nape of neck), and the elastic over the ears type will too. I can't wear my glasses during a cut either which is another exposure point that even a mask won't shield. The stylist's head would be well within the 6 foot point too. Just not a risk I can take given the rising # in my area. I'm retired so I don't have to present a particular appearance for employment. Only 4 of our online meeting group last night used video, so attending virtual meetings as audio only is acceptable for my commitments. Even if in-person meetings happen this year, I don't think I will be judged for longer hair if clean and reasonably styled.
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Post by movingforward on May 12, 2020 17:52:58 GMT -5
Why can't you wear a mask? I don't see a way to fasten the tie-on type that won't interfere with the cut (one set of ties at back of head and one at nape of neck), and the elastic over the ears type will too. I can't wear my glasses during a cut either which is another exposure point that even a mask won't shield. The stylist's head would be well within the 6 foot point too. Just not a risk I can take given the rising # in my area. I'm retired so I don't have to present a particular appearance for employment. Only 4 of our online meeting group last night used video, so attending virtual meetings as audio only is acceptable for my commitments. Even if in-person meetings happen this year, I don't think I will be judged for longer hair if clean and reasonably styled. I can wear my mask but I am a little concerned about being able to breathe well. I ventured to Academy last weekend to look at some stationary bikes because I'm not sure I'll be comfortable returning to the gym. It was just slightly warm in there and I thought i was going to pass out. I think a lot of it was in my head. I just felt so uncomfortable. I definitely will not have my stylist blow dry my hair but my salon can get warm. I'm just not sure how this is going to go. Guess I will find out...
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Post by thyme4change on May 12, 2020 17:53:37 GMT -5
It seems like they can cut your hair while wearing a mask that goes around your ears and if you need additional trimming, they can life the elastic, do the work and the move to the other side.
It seems like everyone has ears and they somehow are getting around all the other masks, so they must have some skills.
That said - if you don't want to get your haircut, that's cool. I saw the incredibly reasonable list of precautions my salon will be taking and I have decided to wait a bit.
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Post by jerseygirl on May 12, 2020 18:04:18 GMT -5
The only type of large spending I want is travel and won’t be doing that till a vaccine or better meds are available I traveled a lot for my job so I’m a million miler on United and lifetime platinum for Marriott and Westin Oh well guess maybe the Jersey shore in September Otherwise not much for spending
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Post by movingforward on May 12, 2020 18:32:27 GMT -5
The only type of large spending I want is travel and won’t be doing that till a vaccine or better meds are available I traveled a lot for my job so I’m a million miler on United and lifetime platinum for Marriott and Westin Oh well guess maybe the Jersey shore in September Otherwise not much for spending I too travel a lot for my job. I have over 400,000 Marriott points. I guess I'll use them Someday 😕
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Post by justme on May 12, 2020 23:49:09 GMT -5
My only issue with cruising over the next several months is the fear of getting quarantined on the ship. I love cruising and this is absolutely my biggest fear. Plus I just read an article that Norwegian filed a going concern risk. They already have $1k of my money in deposits for future cruises (I bought $2k worth for $1k), I do not really want to give them anymore towards a cruise, just to have them go belly up. I definitely learned a lesson on buying gift cards/future deposits. On Black Friday, I bought about $500 in future services from my favorite spa. They were 20% off and I'm always going for deep tissue massages, pedicures, etc. This spa was sold recently and I know what it sold for as I almost bought it (bailed on the due diligence because I didn't want to use every asset I own as collateral). How long can the new owner go without income?? I definitely will think again before buying significant gift cards, future services, etc. I very well might be out $1,500 Drop in the bucket compared to someone losing their business, but it will definitely change my buying patterns in the future. You haven't kept up. 😉 Right after the supposed death knell announcement NCL got funding that will support them for around 18 months of not sailing. They currently are positioning well ahead of carnival (part of that is due to it being their ships that had problems) and about on par with Royal. I myself have about $500 in cruise next and another $1000 (though its more now) in stock with them and I'm not really worried yet. I'd definitely be more worried with carnival and whether any of those lawsuits will materialize... going forward it'll be a known risk to passengers and less of a risk on the business side.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 6:48:09 GMT -5
You haven't kept up. 😉 Right after the supposed death knell announcement NCL got funding that will support them for around 18 months of not sailing. I sincerely hope that funding did not come from US taxpayers, since they register their ships in countries such as Panama and Liberia, which have more... shall we say... flexible regulation.
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 13, 2020 7:43:48 GMT -5
All I want to do right now is hang out with my friends. I miss drinking on someone else's front porch, in person game nights, sitting around a fire pit, etc. I'll probably keep getting takeout for a while, but I also miss cocktails made by bartenders with skills better than mine. So who knows when I'll crack, lol. I'm looking forward to my local beer garden opening. Fudge, I hope it opens this year.
Right now, I'm only going into a store to buy something I need and ordering the wants online. So it will be nice to wander around Target/Ulta/DSW and buy something completely unnecessary. I think my spending splurge is going to be that type of stuff. New clothes, shoes, beauty stuff. Whatever other stuff I prefer to see in person than online. I am currently at the two month mark for my haircut (who was a genius going to the salon March 6?!?!) so my hair is at its' fiercest right now. I can go a few more weeks. Beyond that, that's what buns are for!
As far as travel, we still have something booked down the shore the weekend before July 4th so I hope we can still hold onto that. We were able to get a full refund for our airfare and hotel, and Airbnb credit for the off-resort place we booked, for the trip we were supposed to be on last week. Husband and I rescheduled our week off for the end of August, so I am really hoping we can book something beachy or at a lake for a few days. Friends of ours have a cabin in the mountains so that is also an option. Oh my god, day drinking on a canoe with friends in the middle of nowhere sounds fucking amazing right now.
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