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Post by Gardening Grandma on May 11, 2020 10:07:02 GMT -5
I don't know if Joann Fabric is open and what I need is the special thread made in Germany by Guterman. No one else around here carries it. Fabric I can get at Hobby Lobby and I intend to stop there today for some red fabric. Of course, it's not on sale at 50% off this week so 1/2 yd. will have to do. I played with my new sewing machine yesterday but had a lot of trouble getting the BSR (don't ask) to work like the manual said, so I'm hoping the place I bought it from will do an phone tutorial and walk me through it. In the meantime, I'm off to the chiropractor in 1/2 hour. JoAnn Fabrics, for reasons I've never understood, never closed here. I won't go into one because they've always been crowded, understaffed, and I had to spend way too much time standing in line. I've been buying Gutermann thread on ebay. Much easier.
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 11, 2020 10:14:45 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I don't understand. I was so happy to see that the Wild Bird Store near me was open on weekends- I buy hulled seeds in 40-lb. bags, which the big box stores don't carry. I was the only customer, I put the bag on the counter with the bar code face up, she scanned it, I used the card reader, I took it out the door. Far safer. I was happy to find out the natural store I go to is still open. I go there to get quite a few of my beauty products and other items. I tend to be the only customer there when I go in, sometimes there may be 1 or 2 others. Way less risk than the hundreds of people at Wal-mart or Target but she would be one of those "non-essential" stores that people like to cry foul about and how dare she be open. I get everyone's risk tolerance is different and that is your right. I just don't like the hypocrisy of crying about the hair salons and tattoo parlors while you stand in a line 100+ people deep for three hours to get into Menard's. "Essential" shopping or no you aren't superior to those who choose to get a tattoo to support their local parlor right now or get a hair cut to support their regular stylist. Yoo've mentioned hypocricy a few times in regards to this situation, but I'm not sure that the same people willing to start 100 in a line at Menards are the same people complaining about salons and tattoo parlors opening up. There might be a few, but I'm betting the vast majority are in different camps, so to speak.
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Post by hoops902 on May 11, 2020 10:27:45 GMT -5
I was driving along yesterday looking at all the packed parking lots at the big box mega stores and the huge grocery stores, but then I'd come upon a strip mall with a mom and pop craft store with a closed sign up. So anyone shopping for crafts is probably just going to go to Walmart. How is that helping the spread? Wal-mart is "essential" so even if you are going in there to buy anything other than food or TP you can justify it to yourself. Same with the extensive lines I've seen at Home Depot and Menard's. I am not going to judge anyone for wanting/needing something to do but let's not pretend that everyone is there because they need to do an essential repair to their homes. Updating your house, painting etc are not needs if we start digging into it. Plus you could just as easily look up your part online and have it mailed. Or order it from either store's web site for curbside pick up. You don't HAVE to shop for those things in the physical store. A line 500 people deep is a much bigger exposure right than one hair stylist and another one six feet away with a customer who is also wearing a mask. They are not enforcing masks at Home Depot here so you're breathing all those germs in. Those germs are no less deadly because Home Depot is an "essential" business. Yet you should hear the backlash from people about hair salons being allowed to open. How many of those people have been standing in line at the box stores recently? The guy building my house has been doing this for a while, and he says he's never seen more people in Menards than he has in the last 2 months. Part of me believes there's a ton of people there, part of me also thinks he's a builder who goes in during the day when people were previously packing the place after work. I occasionally have to go get something there for the house after work and the parking lot is almost totally empty (so who knows, maybe it's a lot of people going during the day because they aren't going to work now). But really the whole hair salon vs big box comes down to individual vs societal. Any random individual probably doesn't have to do a bunch of stuff...but as a governmental/societal policy, we can't just close down WalMarts because they happen to sell things other than groceries. The line for "essential" seems to be "do they have anything at all to do with anything you might need?". So there are a ton of places that can say "yes". You just can't really get there with tattoo shops and hair salons though. Using myself as an example, my company is "essential" because we are a pretty integral part of food and medical production. I'm not making product though, I'm finance. What would happen if I just didn't work for 3 months? My company would lose a ton of money because we wouldn't secure new contracts, analyze new opportunities, etc, but there would be no impact to consumers getting food or medical products. I wonder if there's an opportunity for me to open a strip mall where every store is ".... & Food". "Haircuts & Food", "Tats & Food", "Nails & Food". And just keep everything open on the basis it is a grocery store that just has other services.
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Post by hoops902 on May 11, 2020 10:33:14 GMT -5
I was happy to find out the natural store I go to is still open. I go there to get quite a few of my beauty products and other items. I tend to be the only customer there when I go in, sometimes there may be 1 or 2 others. Way less risk than the hundreds of people at Wal-mart or Target but she would be one of those "non-essential" stores that people like to cry foul about and how dare she be open. I get everyone's risk tolerance is different and that is your right. I just don't like the hypocrisy of crying about the hair salons and tattoo parlors while you stand in a line 100+ people deep for three hours to get into Menard's. "Essential" shopping or no you aren't superior to those who choose to get a tattoo to support their local parlor right now or get a hair cut to support their regular stylist. Yoo've mentioned hypocricy a few times in regards to this situation, but I'm not sure that the same people willing to start 100 in a line at Menards are the same people complaining about salons and tattoo parlors opening up. There might be a few, but I'm betting the vast majority are in different camps, so to speak. There's also the potential very real difference between "yeah, I don't NEED to be at this store, but it's totally legal for me to be here" compared to people illegally opening up shops and going to them when it's 100% against the law. Kind of depends if we're talking about people going to salons that are open and others are complaining about it being open vs people breaking the law to do things like that. Neither of which I think is comparable to people going to the grocery store twice per week instead of using delivery/pick-up. While we've been doing pick-up for years...I can confidently say a lot of times the apps suck, they say things aren't available when they're sitting on the shelves, the produce is the worst...and a lot of people may not have internet access or a credit card to pay with. I'll also point out if everyone did this you'd be screwed at the moment. We already have to schedule our grocery pickups at midnight nearly a week out, just to ensure our spot on the day we need. Used to be schedule it anytime 24 hours beforehand or less...now we have to set an alarm to wake up at midnight 7 days before when they open up the slots.
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Post by movingforward on May 11, 2020 10:43:09 GMT -5
The sporting goods store here is deemed essential because they sell guns and ammo.
I thought when we started this whole thing 8 weeks ago that the numbers would drop dramatically. They really haven't. They have managed to go down some, but in general the virus is still spreading. We are never going to have zero cases. Even if they develop a vaccine there will still be some sort of risk.
Between people still continuing to gather and all these dang people at the grocery store and Home Depot, I am just to the point of people are going to do whatever they are doing to do. As long as our healthcare system isn't overloaded then go ahead and start to open the world. People are going to pick and choose what risks they would like to take. I haven't entered a grocery store since March 13th. I have no plans to do so. I have been to Target twice because it wasn't very busy. I did; however, make an appointment with my stylist for 2 weeks from now.
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Post by movingforward on May 11, 2020 10:48:44 GMT -5
Yoo've mentioned hypocricy a few times in regards to this situation, but I'm not sure that the same people willing to start 100 in a line at Menards are the same people complaining about salons and tattoo parlors opening up. There might be a few, but I'm betting the vast majority are in different camps, so to speak. There's also the potential very real difference between "yeah, I don't NEED to be at this store, but it's totally legal for me to be here" compared to people illegally opening up shops and going to them when it's 100% against the law. Kind of depends if we're talking about people going to salons that are open and others are complaining about it being open vs people breaking the law to do things like that. Neither of which I think is comparable to people going to the grocery store twice per week instead of using delivery/pick-up. While we've been doing pick-up for years...I can confidently say a lot of times the apps suck, they say things aren't available when they're sitting on the shelves, the produce is the worst...and a lot of people may not have internet access or a credit card to pay with. I'll also point out if everyone did this you'd be screwed at the moment. We already have to schedule our grocery pickups at midnight nearly a week out, just to ensure our spot on the day we need. Used to be schedule it anytime 24 hours beforehand or less... now we have to set an alarm to wake up at midnight 7 days before when they open up the slots.This has finally gotten better where I live. I can now schedule for delivery about 24 hours in advance. It got better the week the governor announced he would start loosening restrictions. I'm not sure if people thought the government was going to lock us in our homes with no access to food/toiletries so they needed to stock up, or if they just thought that things must be better because stuff is going to open
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 11, 2020 10:53:48 GMT -5
The sporting goods store here is deemed essential because they sell guns and ammo.
I thought when we started this whole thing 8 weeks ago that the numbers would drop dramatically. They really haven't. They have managed to go down some, but in general the virus is still spreading. We are never going to have zero cases. Even if they develop a vaccine there will still be some sort of risk.
Between people still continuing to gather and all these dang people at the grocery store and Home Depot, I am just to the point of people are going to do whatever they are doing to do. As long as our healthcare system isn't overloaded then go ahead and start to open the world. People are going to pick and choose what risks they would like to take. I haven't entered a grocery store since March 13th. I have no plans to do so. I have been to Target twice because it wasn't very busy. I did; however, make an appointment with my stylist for 2 weeks from now.
Bass Pro here saw record sales in guns and ammo. Did people think we were going to have to go back to shooting our food or did they buy all these guns thinking they needed to protect their TP stash? I have nothing against gun ownership in general and the majority of people who own them are responsible but I couldn't help wondering how many Barneys there are running around all trigger happy right now.
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Post by bean29 on May 11, 2020 10:54:23 GMT -5
It depends. I expect folks will be laid off for quite some time. In my own workplace, there are band-aid approaches now through this fall. I think the real, massive layoffs will come in the new year, 2021.
My state's unemployment fund is tapped out come October. These two things combined are having me rethinking vacation in the near term. We have school aged kids, and they are not good ages to pull out of school.
So, the next time we can start thinking about vacation after this summer is late October...at the start of the flu season. That could be a big no-thank you.
My vacation days got extended, too. But we'll need to save them for the next time the schools are shut down. My workplace gave us PTO for this first time. I suspect that will be the last time we enjoy PTO for SIP orders.
Our unemployment fund will be out of $$ in October, but if they had adopted/accepted the federal unemployment rules (waived the 1 week wait to receive UC) they would have 25 Million More if they weren't so arrogant. They have gotten so used to being rewarded for being arrogant a-holes, they can't stop to save themselves.
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Post by bean29 on May 11, 2020 11:01:32 GMT -5
I would actually love to go to Yellowstone in late August or early September. I'm not sure flying would be all that terrible since planes are practically empty. Not sure about that. DD and I were discussing yesterday. She really wants to go somewhere. But givne how many planes the airlines have grounded, the reduced number of flights and the fact that they are leaving middle seats vacant - it should be safe, but I would not count on "unsold seats" that are not intentionally left vacant. DD wants to fly standby - we were discussing that if she gets to her destination, she could be stuck.
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Post by hoops902 on May 11, 2020 11:04:37 GMT -5
The sporting goods store here is deemed essential because they sell guns and ammo.
I thought when we started this whole thing 8 weeks ago that the numbers would drop dramatically. They really haven't. They have managed to go down some, but in general the virus is still spreading. We are never going to have zero cases. Even if they develop a vaccine there will still be some sort of risk.
Between people still continuing to gather and all these dang people at the grocery store and Home Depot, I am just to the point of people are going to do whatever they are doing to do. As long as our healthcare system isn't overloaded then go ahead and start to open the world. People are going to pick and choose what risks they would like to take. I haven't entered a grocery store since March 13th. I have no plans to do so. I have been to Target twice because it wasn't very busy. I did; however, make an appointment with my stylist for 2 weeks from now.
Bass Pro here saw record sales in guns and ammo. Did people think we were going to have to go back to shooting our food or did they buy all these guns thinking they needed to protect their TP stash? I have nothing against gun ownership in general and the majority of people who own them are responsible but I couldn't help wondering how many Barneys there are running around all trigger happy right now. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the vast majority of people buying guns and ammo were likely already gun owners. There are a lot of people out there who own multiple guns...people who say "I'm getting a new deer rifle this year" even though the current one works just fine. I'm guessing those people went out and bought their new guns and ammo when they thought things might get locked down. The people who tend to worry about guns & ammo shortages tend to not be people who don't have them...it's the people who have lots and want to keep buying lots who get a fear all the non-owners are going to make a run on them. It's like a run on banks...there's plenty...but the moment you THINK other people might make a run, you make your own run to beat them there...thereby causing the run you were so afraid of. Maybe it's just the area I live in. I've never known a non-gun-owner to rush out and buy a gun and ammo...but I know a bunch of people who have guns who rush the store anytime they think other people are going to rush the store (in this case coronavirus shutting retail down, in many cases it has been natural disaster related).
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Post by giramomma on May 11, 2020 11:05:43 GMT -5
Our unemployment fund will be out of $$ in October, but if they had adopted/accepted the federal unemployment rules (waived the 1 week wait to receive UC) they would have 25 Million More if they weren't so arrogant. They have gotten so used to being rewarded for being arrogant a-holes, they can't stop to save themselves. I know. Which also worries me about what they will do when the state has to start borrowing for unemployment...and then has to pay it back. That's just more budget cuts for them to start working on. Which also pisses me off, because per capita, we're one of the states with the least # of public sector workers. Like #42 out of 50. Folks will keep drinking the kool-aid that we're all evil, teat sucking leaches.
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Post by movingforward on May 11, 2020 11:11:51 GMT -5
I would actually love to go to Yellowstone in late August or early September. I'm not sure flying would be all that terrible since planes are practically empty. Not sure about that. DD and I were discussing yesterday. She really wants to go somewhere. But givne how many planes the airlines have grounded, the reduced number of flights and the fact that they are leaving middle seats vacant - it should be safe, but I would not count on "unsold seats" that are not intentionally left vacant. DD wants to fly standby - we were discussing that if she gets to her destination, she could be stuck. Good points. I have even considered driving. A road trip sounds good to me right now. I was supposed to go see my dad in Vegas last month. That has been rescheduled for September. I'm still on the fence about going. I certainly don't want to bring the virus to him. I'm not sure if a 3 hour flight or a 2 day drive would bring less exposure. If driving i could wipe down all frequently touched surfaces at the hotel, bring my own pillow and pillow case, and eat take out.
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Post by daisylu on May 11, 2020 11:24:07 GMT -5
The sporting goods store here is deemed essential because they sell guns and ammo.
I thought when we started this whole thing 8 weeks ago that the numbers would drop dramatically. They really haven't. They have managed to go down some, but in general the virus is still spreading. We are never going to have zero cases. Even if they develop a vaccine there will still be some sort of risk.
Between people still continuing to gather and all these dang people at the grocery store and Home Depot, I am just to the point of people are going to do whatever they are doing to do. As long as our healthcare system isn't overloaded then go ahead and start to open the world. People are going to pick and choose what risks they would like to take. I haven't entered a grocery store since March 13th. I have no plans to do so. I have been to Target twice because it wasn't very busy. I did; however, make an appointment with my stylist for 2 weeks from now.
Bass Pro here saw record sales in guns and ammo. Did people think we were going to have to go back to shooting our food or did they buy all these guns thinking they needed to protect their TP stash? I have nothing against gun ownership in general and the majority of people who own them are responsible but I couldn't help wondering how many Barneys there are running around all trigger happy right now. I want to believe that those buying guns and ammo are the same people who already have guns and ammo. DH is a hunter and has concealed carry permit, and usually buys a new rifle or pistol every other year or so. He had been scoping out a particular one pre COVID, and decided to go ahead and buy 1 before they became hard to find. I also have CC, but have not previously carried on the regular because DH usually did. However, due to COVID and my lack of faith in mankind I recently purchased a handgun that is better suited for me and will start carrying when DH is not with me.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 11, 2020 11:26:07 GMT -5
Bass Pro here saw record sales in guns and ammo. Did people think we were going to have to go back to shooting our food or did they buy all these guns thinking they needed to protect their TP stash? I have nothing against gun ownership in general and the majority of people who own them are responsible but I couldn't help wondering how many Barneys there are running around all trigger happy right now. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the vast majority of people buying guns and ammo were likely already gun owners. There are a lot of people out there who own multiple guns...people who say "I'm getting a new deer rifle this year" even though the current one works just fine. I'm guessing those people went out and bought their new guns and ammo when they thought things might get locked down. The people who tend to worry about guns & ammo shortages tend to not be people who don't have them...it's the people who have lots and want to keep buying lots who get a fear all the non-owners are going to make a run on them. It's like a run on banks...there's plenty...but the moment you THINK other people might make a run, you make your own run to beat them there...thereby causing the run you were so afraid of. Maybe it's just the area I live in. I've never known a non-gun-owner to rush out and buy a gun and ammo...but I know a bunch of people who have guns who rush the store anytime they think other people are going to rush the store (in this case coronavirus shutting retail down, in many cases it has been natural disaster related). I'd like to think so but after seeing what people did to our local Wal-mart over toilet paper and frozen pizza there is a part of me that isn't that optimistic. People be freaking stupid and I can totally see people who have never owned a gun in their lives, or even fired one, running out to purchase one in the name of protecting said TP.
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 11, 2020 11:43:15 GMT -5
Yoo've mentioned hypocricy a few times in regards to this situation, but I'm not sure that the same people willing to start 100 in a line at Menards are the same people complaining about salons and tattoo parlors opening up. There might be a few, but I'm betting the vast majority are in different camps, so to speak. There's also the potential very real difference between "yeah, I don't NEED to be at this store, but it's totally legal for me to be here" compared to people illegally opening up shops and going to them when it's 100% against the law. Kind of depends if we're talking about people going to salons that are open and others are complaining about it being open vs people breaking the law to do things like that. Neither of which I think is comparable to people going to the grocery store twice per week instead of using delivery/pick-up. While we've been doing pick-up for years...I can confidently say a lot of times the apps suck, they say things aren't available when they're sitting on the shelves, the produce is the worst...and a lot of people may not have internet access or a credit card to pay with. I'll also point out if everyone did this you'd be screwed at the moment. We already have to schedule our grocery pickups at midnight nearly a week out, just to ensure our spot on the day we need. Used to be schedule it anytime 24 hours beforehand or less...now we have to set an alarm to wake up at midnight 7 days before when they open up the slots. The one and only time I did grocery pickup, it took 4 hours of my time, between the ordering, and all the questions the picker texted to me. I appreciated the picker asking and all, but I just don't have that much time to waste just to get groceries. My DH goes early in the day, once every week or so, and wears a mask and gloves. We try to stretch it out, but only have a single fridge/freezer combo. Groceries are costing us a fortune lately.
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Post by tskeeter on May 11, 2020 11:52:32 GMT -5
I don't care if COVID went away tomorrow I have no desire to ever go on a cruise. Giant germ factories and being trapped on a boat with tons of people is my idea of hell. Then I've reading about boats being denied the ability to dock for months now.... Yeah no thanks. I'll watch Poisedon Adventure and Titanic from my couch. If I'm going to get sick from whatever for whatever reason it's going to from being knee deep in a new place/culture and not a boat. Are you ever going to fly? Think about the conditions airline passengers normally experience. Literally shoulder to shoulder contact with strangers while sharing an arm rest. Fellow passengers who may be carrying all kinds of cooties, from a cold to Ebola. The absence of anything but the most basic pre-flight health screening. Pretty much if you can drag yourself onto a plane, you will be allowed to fly. Breathing the same, mostly recycled air, your cooty carrying cohorts have been breathing. Airplane cabins that receive minimal, if any, sanitation between flights. A cruise ship is almost a sterile suite, when compared to the conditions on an airplane.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 11, 2020 11:54:15 GMT -5
I don't care if COVID went away tomorrow I have no desire to ever go on a cruise. Giant germ factories and being trapped on a boat with tons of people is my idea of hell. Then I've reading about boats being denied the ability to dock for months now.... Yeah no thanks. I'll watch Poisedon Adventure and Titanic from my couch. If I'm going to get sick from whatever for whatever reason it's going to from being knee deep in a new place/culture and not a boat. Are you ever going to fly? Think about the conditions airline passengers normally experience. Literally shoulder to shoulder contact with strangers while sharing an arm rest. Fellow passengers who may be carrying all kinds of cooties, from a cold to Ebola. The absence of anything but the most basic pre-flight health screening. Pretty much if you can drag yourself onto a plane, you will be allowed to fly. Breathing the same, mostly recycled air, your cooty carrying cohorts have been breathing. Airplane cabins that receive minimal, if any, sanitation between flights. A cruise ship is almost a sterile suite, when compared to the conditions on an airplane. IDk to be honest. I've flown once in my life and didn't really care for but that may have had something to do with my first flight being 17 hours long. If ever do get on one it's not going to be in the recent future.
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Post by hoops902 on May 11, 2020 11:55:48 GMT -5
There's also the potential very real difference between "yeah, I don't NEED to be at this store, but it's totally legal for me to be here" compared to people illegally opening up shops and going to them when it's 100% against the law. Kind of depends if we're talking about people going to salons that are open and others are complaining about it being open vs people breaking the law to do things like that. Neither of which I think is comparable to people going to the grocery store twice per week instead of using delivery/pick-up. While we've been doing pick-up for years...I can confidently say a lot of times the apps suck, they say things aren't available when they're sitting on the shelves, the produce is the worst...and a lot of people may not have internet access or a credit card to pay with. I'll also point out if everyone did this you'd be screwed at the moment. We already have to schedule our grocery pickups at midnight nearly a week out, just to ensure our spot on the day we need. Used to be schedule it anytime 24 hours beforehand or less...now we have to set an alarm to wake up at midnight 7 days before when they open up the slots. The one and only time I did grocery pickup, it took 4 hours of my time, between the ordering, and all the questions the picker texted to me. I appreciated the picker asking and all, but I just don't have that much time to waste just to get groceries. My DH goes early in the day, once every week or so, and wears a mask and gloves. We try to stretch it out, but only have a single fridge/freezer combo. Groceries are costing us a fortune lately. Part of the hard part is what happens when they substitute things (or try to substitute things) or end up not having things you need and they didn't tell you when you ordered. My wife typically has both kids with her after daycare, and it's 20-30 minutes from home. If she gets there and they don't have something we need when they load it in the car, then she has to go park the car, get 2 kids out, leave all the frozen stuff in the car, go into the store with 2 kids, get it, wait in line, pay, then come back and head home. Having to get out of the car and go into the store for ANYTHING kind of defeats the purpose of the pickup for us (which is that we have 2 kids in the car and don't want to tote them around the store). It also took her 4 hours or more the first time she did it. Now that she knows she likes it, she's got saved lists that she just modifies each week. It's still not an insignificant amount of time though. I'm convinced (and I think she agrees) that I could grab a cart and shop in the store physically in the amount of time she spends online placing her orders each week. It's really all about the convenience of picking up the kids at daycare near the Wal-Mart where she gets the groceries. If we didn't have a small/overpriced grocery store here in our small town where we could get things randomly....I'm not sure we could use the pickup service (because the store here in town can give us produce or items left off the list at Wal-Mart). The other big upside is occasionally the substitutions are ridiculous. "Sorry we didn't have the 12oz chicken nuggets, here's the 3 million ounce bag at the same price". I'm positive there is someone somewhere making tons of money by walking the Wal-Mart shelves, ordering things that are not on the shelves but show as available in the app, and then reselling their massively upsized substitutions for big profits.
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Post by hoops902 on May 11, 2020 11:59:43 GMT -5
I don't care if COVID went away tomorrow I have no desire to ever go on a cruise. Giant germ factories and being trapped on a boat with tons of people is my idea of hell. Then I've reading about boats being denied the ability to dock for months now.... Yeah no thanks. I'll watch Poisedon Adventure and Titanic from my couch. If I'm going to get sick from whatever for whatever reason it's going to from being knee deep in a new place/culture and not a boat. Are you ever going to fly? Think about the conditions airline passengers normally experience. Literally shoulder to shoulder contact with strangers while sharing an arm rest. Fellow passengers who may be carrying all kinds of cooties, from a cold to Ebola. The absence of anything but the most basic pre-flight health screening. Pretty much if you can drag yourself onto a plane, you will be allowed to fly. Breathing the same, mostly recycled air, your cooty carrying cohorts have been breathing. Airplane cabins that receive minimal, if any, sanitation between flights. A cruise ship is almost a sterile suite, when compared to the conditions on an airplane.I dunno, most airplanes don't have buffets. The room you stay in is almost a sterile suite compared to the plane, but all the other public areas are far worse IMO. The plane has fewer people, and far fewer people than will be in your immediate vicinity compared to the number of people who will be near you on a cruise ship. Doubly so for things like someone sneezing...if someone on a plane sneezes into their hand...they may wipe it on the seat in front of them or the shared arm rest or something...if someone on a cruise ship sneezes into their hand and then touches a stair railing...congratulations to everyone else who uses the stairs! On a plane you're screwed if you end up sitting right next to someone sick...on a cruise ship you might be screwed if anyone on the ship is sick given the ease of spread.
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Post by hoops902 on May 11, 2020 12:01:46 GMT -5
Are you ever going to fly? Think about the conditions airline passengers normally experience. Literally shoulder to shoulder contact with strangers while sharing an arm rest. Fellow passengers who may be carrying all kinds of cooties, from a cold to Ebola. The absence of anything but the most basic pre-flight health screening. Pretty much if you can drag yourself onto a plane, you will be allowed to fly. Breathing the same, mostly recycled air, your cooty carrying cohorts have been breathing. Airplane cabins that receive minimal, if any, sanitation between flights. A cruise ship is almost a sterile suite, when compared to the conditions on an airplane. IDk to be honest. I've flown once in my life and didn't really care for but that may have had something to do with my first flight being 17 hours long. If ever do get on one it's not going to be in the recent future. Best flight I ever had was like 17 hours, after a 2-3 hour delay on the tarmac even. Get a company to pay you to fly business class on that kind of long flight. Far better than a 3 hour flight to Boston where I got switched to a middle seat and thought my legs were going to fall off in economy.
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Post by Blonde Granny on May 11, 2020 12:02:04 GMT -5
I don't know if Joann Fabric is open and what I need is the special thread made in Germany by Guterman. No one else around here carries it. Fabric I can get at Hobby Lobby and I intend to stop there today for some red fabric. Of course, it's not on sale at 50% off this week so 1/2 yd. will have to do. I played with my new sewing machine yesterday but had a lot of trouble getting the BSR (don't ask) to work like the manual said, so I'm hoping the place I bought it from will do an phone tutorial and walk me through it. In the meantime, I'm off to the chiropractor in 1/2 hour. JoAnn Fabrics, for reasons I've never understood, never closed here. I won't go into one because they've always been crowded, understaffed, and I had to spend way too much time standing in line. I've been buying Gutermann thread on ebay. Much easier. Maybe I should have driven over there and looked a little closer. I ordered some things I needed including Guberman, but out of the 8 or so I ordered, they only sent one. Guess on a misty cold day, I'll get in the car and go take a look. Thanks for the heads up GG.
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Post by tskeeter on May 11, 2020 12:03:02 GMT -5
Not sure about that. DD and I were discussing yesterday. She really wants to go somewhere. But givne how many planes the airlines have grounded, the reduced number of flights and the fact that they are leaving middle seats vacant - it should be safe, but I would not count on "unsold seats" that are not intentionally left vacant. DD wants to fly standby - we were discussing that if she gets to her destination, she could be stuck. Good points. I have even considered driving. A road trip sounds good to me right now. I was supposed to go see my dad in Vegas last month. That has been rescheduled for September. I'm still on the fence about going. I certainly don't want to bring the virus to him. I'm not sure if a 3 hour flight or a 2 day drive would bring less exposure. If driving i could wipe down all frequently touched surfaces at the hotel, bring my own pillow and pillow case, and eat take out. If you fly, you’re going to have pretty direct contact with at least 300 other passengers on your flights. Plus the plane crews and all of the other people at the airport. If you drive, you’ll have contact with four to six service station attendants, a couple of hotel clerks, four to six foodservice staff, and indirectly, a couple of hotel housekeeping staff. Seems to me that when it comes to contagious diseases, a road trip would be a lot less risky than flying.
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Post by Blonde Granny on May 11, 2020 12:07:42 GMT -5
GG, super thanks!!! I just called the local store and they ARE open. I'm off............
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Post by tskeeter on May 11, 2020 12:28:31 GMT -5
Are you ever going to fly? Think about the conditions airline passengers normally experience. Literally shoulder to shoulder contact with strangers while sharing an arm rest. Fellow passengers who may be carrying all kinds of cooties, from a cold to Ebola. The absence of anything but the most basic pre-flight health screening. Pretty much if you can drag yourself onto a plane, you will be allowed to fly. Breathing the same, mostly recycled air, your cooty carrying cohorts have been breathing. Airplane cabins that receive minimal, if any, sanitation between flights. A cruise ship is almost a sterile suite, when compared to the conditions on an airplane.I dunno, most airplanes don't have buffets. The room you stay in is almost a sterile suite compared to the plane, but all the other public areas are far worse IMO. The plane has fewer people, and far fewer people than will be in your immediate vicinity compared to the number of people who will be near you on a cruise ship. Doubly so for things like someone sneezing...if someone on a plane sneezes into their hand...they may wipe it on the seat in front of them or the shared arm rest or something...if someone on a cruise ship sneezes into their hand and then touches a stair railing...congratulations to everyone else who uses the stairs! On a plane you're screwed if you end up sitting right next to someone sick...on a cruise ship you might be screwed if anyone on the ship is sick given the ease of spread. You make several good points, Hoops. However, with the exception of the buffet, the conditions you attribute to the common areas of a cruise ship sound very much like the conditions we experience while we are in an airport. Considering that a cruise ship has, maybe up to 7,000 passengers, while even a moderately busy airport will serve tens of thousands of passengers per day (our dinky, 20 gate, local airport serves over 11,500 passengers a day), I think that an airplane/airport is a riskier proposition than a cruise ship. Interesting to note that we don’t even keep track of illnesses experienced after air travel. Is that because catching something while flying is so common that it is an expected part of air travel?
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Post by hoops902 on May 11, 2020 13:00:13 GMT -5
I dunno, most airplanes don't have buffets. The room you stay in is almost a sterile suite compared to the plane, but all the other public areas are far worse IMO. The plane has fewer people, and far fewer people than will be in your immediate vicinity compared to the number of people who will be near you on a cruise ship. Doubly so for things like someone sneezing...if someone on a plane sneezes into their hand...they may wipe it on the seat in front of them or the shared arm rest or something...if someone on a cruise ship sneezes into their hand and then touches a stair railing...congratulations to everyone else who uses the stairs! On a plane you're screwed if you end up sitting right next to someone sick...on a cruise ship you might be screwed if anyone on the ship is sick given the ease of spread. You make several good points, Hoops. However, with the exception of the buffet, the conditions you attribute to the common areas of a cruise ship sound very much like the conditions we experience while we are in an airport. Considering that a cruise ship has, maybe up to 7,000 passengers, while even a moderately busy airport will serve tens of thousands of passengers per day (our dinky, 20 gate, local airport serves over 11,500 passengers a day), I think that an airplane/airport is a riskier proposition than a cruise ship. Interesting to note that we don’t even keep track of illnesses experienced after air travel. Is that because catching something while flying is so common that it is an expected part of air travel? They are really...to me the difference is that if I'm in an airport for an hour I can make a conscious effort not to touch handrails, I don't have to eat, etc. On a cruise I'm living there for days at a time. Air travel is transactional for most people, it's a means to an end...the cruise IS the end for most. If you put me on a cruise ship for 3 hours to move across the water, or an airplane for a week to live on, I'd probably have the reverse feelings. You noted the buffet, but on a cruise you've also got things like the excursions which depending on where you are and what you're doing might mean a significant amount of personal interaction, on-board activities like night clubs, etc. It's a lot easier for me as a human being who doesn't always want to be on high alert to make myself safe around the same dangers for a few hours than the same dangers for 7 days when the point is to be relaxed. I would guess the reason we don't track illnesses experienced after air travel is that air travel is such a short time that it's nearly impossible to attribute it to the air travel vs anything else (for example, did I catch it while in the airport/plane, or from the hotel I went to when I landed?).
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Post by movingforward on May 11, 2020 13:12:25 GMT -5
I plan to eventually fly, take a cruise, attend a Broadway show, go to a Spurs game and do all the things I did before COVID. It might take a couple of years for all to be back up and running but I intend to do all of it. I'm not going to live life in a box.
It's not as if this is the only disease the world has ever dealt with before. Sadly, over 2 million people (worldwide) died EACH YEAR from the measles. We will make it through this too...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 11, 2020 13:18:18 GMT -5
Still don't wanna be on a boat with other people for days on end. DH and the kids are lucky I let them live with me and that was before the pandemic.
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Post by movingforward on May 11, 2020 13:29:45 GMT -5
Still don't wanna be on a boat with other people for days on end. DH and the kids are lucky I let them live with me and that was before the pandemic. Lol! Cruises are an acquired taste. There are many places where a cruise would definitely not be my choice of travel. I would much rather fly there and experience more of the culture. I did, however, really enjoy the Hawaiian cruise my family took back 2007 for my parents 40th anniversary. We got to hit most of the islands and since my family is scattered all over the country it worked out well. People did their own thing during the day and then we would all meet back up for dinner. It ended up being a lot of fun.
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Post by ihearyou2 on May 11, 2020 13:47:44 GMT -5
You have 40-50% of the US population that is skeptical to the seriousness of the situation and I expect them to going back to 100% of the way that they did things. They will also assuming money is available double down on all the pent up travel and spending that they were unable to do. Based on how the push is to open sooner rather then later I think the overall long term economic hit for the majority of workers will not be that bad allowing for discretionary spending. For the other 50% of people I think that you have a group that are low risk and who travel a lot for business and they will also start up as well. I think that leaves about 25% of the population that is high risk or concerned citizens that will sit out until a vaccine or they get a feeling that the chances for infection are remote. That is still a significant portion of the population but short term there will be a massive bounce and probably a second spike of the virus.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 13:55:58 GMT -5
Still don't wanna be on a boat with other people for days on end. DH and the kids are lucky I let them live with me and that was before the pandemic. Lol! Cruises are an acquired taste. There are many places where a cruise would definitely not be my choice of travel. I would much rather fly there and experience more of the culture. I did, however, really enjoy the Hawaiian cruise my family took back 2007 for my parents 40th anniversary. We got to hit most of the islands and since my family is scattered all over the country it worked out well. People did their own thing during the day and then we would all meet back up for dinner. It ended up being a lot of fun. We went on an Alaskan cruise a few years ago with 23 other family members and it was awesome. Besides the MN/WI family members, the family that attended were from Hawaii and California and Washington...so we don't get to see them a lot. We could hang out or do our own thing as much as we wanted. The ship was so big you didn't feel claustrophobic and we were in a port nearly every day for excursions.
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