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Post by NastyWoman on May 10, 2020 18:59:56 GMT -5
I would get in a car and drive somewhere- like Yosemite or the beach or some other outdoor thing. I would stay in an expensive hotel. I would hang out by the pool, go hiking, etc. They are finding warm outdoor venues, with space for distance are pretty low risk. I probably won't be in line the day Disneyland re-opens. Way too much togetherness and common surfaces there. The real question is if I would get on a plane. I would have been in Yosemite with DB1 now if not for this whole Covid19 and we would have been in Carmel and Monterey last week. BTW I thought we would be talking about a different type of boom spending after all this time of SIP. The 2020-21 boom so to speak
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 19:18:54 GMT -5
My sister is determined to come out here in July. SW cancelled her first reservation made in January, but we made a new one. I say "we," but it is her decision. I just have the airline miles.
Her daughter is convinced that if she doesn't eat or touch anything (that she can't help and then use sanitizer), she should be ok. I did warn her to bring whatever she would need for her class that starts in August with her in case she can't go back when planned. She is planning on leaving July 29.
She says she is cool with us maybe not going anywhere when she gets here. She's going to bring a couple of games she likes to play to add to my Scrabble and Yahtzee. We will watch movies, drink alcohol on the deck, and just chill. That is actually my kind of vacation assuming she can safely get here without bring the virus with her. Actually, planes are supposed to be somewhat safer because of the recirculated air. It is cleaned each time it is recirculated.
She isn't flying out until July 8 so we will know a lot more before then. I honestly need the company to keep from going nuts! But I do want us both to be safe.
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Post by busymom on May 10, 2020 19:25:14 GMT -5
The only spending we plan to do is buy stuff that will help us to hunker down longer, if no vaccine is successfully developed, and we have Round 2 and Round 3 of the virus. Like a new basement freezer to store quantities of food. And, anything else that could become in short supply if things go from bad to worse.
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Post by thyme4change on May 10, 2020 19:53:58 GMT -5
I would get in a car and drive somewhere- like Yosemite or the beach or some other outdoor thing. I would stay in an expensive hotel. I would hang out by the pool, go hiking, etc. They are finding warm outdoor venues, with space for distance are pretty low risk. I probably won't be in line the day Disneyland re-opens. Way too much togetherness and common surfaces there. The real question is if I would get on a plane. I would have been in Yosemite with DB1 now if not for this whole Covid19 and we would have been in Carmel and Monterey last week. BTW I thought we would be talking about a different type of boom spending after all this time of SIP. The 2020-21 boom so to speak I was thinking later in the summer. When places are open and we are trying to get back to normal.
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Post by movingforward on May 10, 2020 19:59:56 GMT -5
I was in the Minneapolis/St. Paul suburbs yesterday and I fail to see how there isn't plenty of spending going on right now. There was lots of traffic and the parking lots everywhere were packed. There is no way I would have suspected anything was amiss if I was just dropped there from another time not knowing there was a lockdown. I think we've hit the point where most people regardless of political affiliation are sick of it. If my son's scout trip in July gets cancelled and they open the National Parks. I'm taking the boys on a road trip again. Carrot asked yesterday to go to the Grand Canyon and I was like, "yeah...that sounds like a plan". Other than that, my spending won't change (outside of hair cuts for the kids). Yeah, we've been doing this for 8 weeks where I live and the hospitals are FAR from overwhelmed. I think most people, regardless of political affiliation, just need a break at this point. There are also people, like hairdressers, that deserve the opportunity to make a living. There seems to be a small group of individuals that (1) don't really understand the main purpose is to not overwhelm the Healthcare system and (2) seem to want the numbers to go up just so they can be right. It's almost like their hate for the other party is more important than anything else. I think trump is a nasasistic jackass but I'm still rooting for things to slowly open and the curve to stay mainly flat. In all reality the numbers could even slightly go up and as long as the Healthcare system isn't overloaded then we are still meeting the intended goal of this whole thing.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 10, 2020 20:19:51 GMT -5
I heard a good point that when we decided to call some businesses "essential" and the rest "non essential" we've basically divided society in half. So companies like mine can stay open even though we are not essential if anyone stopped to really think about it but we have a good legal department in place who could get us granted the exception. .. and then you have the tattoo artist who people want to tar and feather because he wants to be able to make a living too.
You can't swing a cat around here without finding a business that somehow can claim it's vital to the supply chain but is it REALLY? Are there ways we could just as easily operate without it as we do nail salons and hair cuts? Are there ways that certain business that are "essential" right now could just as easily be curb side pick up? Do you REALLY need to enter certain stores or are we justifying it because this store is labeled "essential" while that store isn't.
I am no better than the person who wants to open their salon so they don't go bankrupt. The only reason I could act smug is because I got a letter claiming I am more important to society.
I don't pretend to know what the answer is but after talking to other small business owners I know and care about I am not going to sit here from the comfort of my couch while still collecting both mine and DH's paycheck and call them greedy bastards who want old people to die.
The tattoo parlor I go to opening back up is a drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds, if not thousands, of companies around here who have managed to find a socially accepted reason to be open all this time. It's not the tattoo parlor that is going to kill me, it's going to be someone I've worked with all this time or one of the thousands of people like me I encounter at the supermarket.
The paranoia is getting out of control, IMO. I am also sick of being called a Trump supporter simply because I can understand why all the "non essential" people are standing around wondering why they have to lose everything while the rest of us go to work.
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Post by alabamagal on May 10, 2020 20:27:21 GMT -5
Most of out “vacations” are trips to visit family.
We got in visit ODS in AZ early March before everything shut down. Made it to Grand Canyon and some other big holes in the ground in AZ. Also went to last Live NASCAR race.
DD and DGD are on extended visit here since late March and currently scheduled to fly back to Germany May 30, unless it gets cancelled again.
We have annual family vacation in FL Keys still planned for Aug.
Thinking about flying to AZ early Nov. 2nd grandchild is due to arrive mid Oct.
If it all works out,we will have spent more vacation money than typical year.
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Post by movingforward on May 10, 2020 20:32:25 GMT -5
There are people where I live that are having a two year temper tantrum because tattoo parlors and hairdressers are opening, but they go to the grocery store twice a week exposing themselves to numerous people. It makes zero sense, especially since I live in a major city where delivery and curbside were happening way before covid.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 10, 2020 20:37:02 GMT -5
So what happens if they DON'T find a vaccine? That is not completely out of the realm of possibility. Do we all become the people from Wall-E at that point with only certain people being given permits to work while everyone else competes in the Hunger Games? I certainly hope I am wrong or if I am right that we develop treatments that have this becoming like the seasonal flu every year. But we should be asking ourselves that question. You can't expect everyone to never leave their homes again. We may have to learn to live with this just like other countries around the world have to live with various incurable illnesses. Do I think that has to happen right now? No. But we can't force people to not leave their houses till 2022 because "Vaccine!" then find out oops sorry you lost everything for nothing. You think people are pissed off right now.. .
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Post by movingforward on May 10, 2020 20:37:05 GMT -5
I would actually love to go to Yellowstone in late August or early September. I'm not sure flying would be all that terrible since planes are practically empty.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 10, 2020 20:40:52 GMT -5
I'm hoping by August to be able to drive to Colorado. I am not overly concerned with rest stops or gas station bathrooms. We don't do any sight seeing between the states. I think if we wear a mask/social distance were we need to we'd likely be fine. The cabins we stay in are individual units so it's not like I have to pass by all those people in the hall way anytime we want to go somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 20:44:53 GMT -5
I was driving along yesterday looking at all the packed parking lots at the big box mega stores and the huge grocery stores, but then I'd come upon a strip mall with a mom and pop craft store with a closed sign up. So anyone shopping for crafts is probably just going to go to Walmart. How is that helping the spread?
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Post by movingforward on May 10, 2020 20:46:03 GMT -5
I'm hoping by August to be able to drive to Colorado. I am not overly concerned with rest stops or gas station bathrooms. We don't do any sight seeing between the states. I think if we wear a mask/social distance were we need to we'd likely be fine. The cabins we stay in are individual units so it's not like I have to pass by all those people in the hall way anytime we want to go somewhere. I've kind of gotten to the point of saying I will limit my risk by wearing a face mask and diligently washing my hands, but that is all I can do...I can't stay in my house for 2 years. At some point my job even requires me to engage with the public. Like everyone else, I've been able to use zoom and virtual stuff for now but eventually I am going to have to meet people in person again.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 10, 2020 20:52:43 GMT -5
I was driving along yesterday looking at all the packed parking lots at the big box mega stores and the huge grocery stores, but then I'd come upon a strip mall with a mom and pop craft store with a closed sign up. So anyone shopping for crafts is probably just going to go to Walmart. How is that helping the spread? Wal-mart is "essential" so even if you are going in there to buy anything other than food or TP you can justify it to yourself. Same with the extensive lines I've seen at Home Depot and Menard's. I am not going to judge anyone for wanting/needing something to do but let's not pretend that everyone is there because they need to do an essential repair to their homes. Updating your house, painting etc are not needs if we start digging into it. Plus you could just as easily look up your part online and have it mailed. Or order it from either store's web site for curbside pick up. You don't HAVE to shop for those things in the physical store. A line 500 people deep is a much bigger exposure right than one hair stylist and another one six feet away with a customer who is also wearing a mask. They are not enforcing masks at Home Depot here so you're breathing all those germs in. Those germs are no less deadly because Home Depot is an "essential" business. Yet you should hear the backlash from people about hair salons being allowed to open. How many of those people have been standing in line at the box stores recently?
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Post by tskeeter on May 10, 2020 21:20:23 GMT -5
I don’t think we’re going to see a quick recovery in travel and tourism.
First, a lot of people were out of work and have bills they couldn’t pay. They need to get caught up on those past due bills. If you’re two months behind on your rent or car payments, you aren’t going to drop a couple of grand on a quick trip to Vegas.
Second, it’s seniors who have the time and financial resources to accommodate a heavy travel schedule. These same seniors are at high risk of becoming Coronavirus victims. I think seniors will be cautious about traveling until the pandemic is more firmly under control. They are going to avoid getting on a flying Petri dish.
Third, it ain’t over. We could very well experience a dramatic increase in Coronavirus cases as more people are out and about. The shelter in place, social distancing, essential businesses only stuff we did bought us time to get medical services and materials in place, but it didn’t make COVID-19 go away. Increases in new or repeat infections are not just possible, but likely, as the economy reopens.
Fourth, airline industry experts are projecting that it will take two to three years for passenger counts to return to pre-pandemic levels.
I suspect that local restaurants, bars, and the like will see a significant recovery over the next six to nine months, if the pandemic doesn’t get a lot worse again. Airline travel, the cruise industry, the tour industry, and international tourism will take several years to recover.
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Post by formerroomate99 on May 10, 2020 21:27:06 GMT -5
I'd like to travel but have absolutely no intention of going anywhere until I've been vaccinated or somehow shown immune.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 10, 2020 21:28:14 GMT -5
I don't care if COVID went away tomorrow I have no desire to ever go on a cruise.
Giant germ factories and being trapped on a boat with tons of people is my idea of hell.
Then I've reading about boats being denied the ability to dock for months now....
Yeah no thanks. I'll watch Poisedon Adventure and Titanic from my couch.
If I'm going to get sick from whatever for whatever reason it's going to from being knee deep in a new place/culture and not a boat.
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 10, 2020 22:18:34 GMT -5
We are going to spend Wed, all 3 of us are getting our teeth cleaned. We do not have dental insurance, hubs likely needs full mouth xrays or a panagram as he has not been in a long time. DD and I just routine cleanings. They have been closed, we have reset the appoint at least twice maybe 3 times. Figured we would do it before the next wave hits.
We are spending for some things DD got a new computer supposed to come Monday. I'm saving enough from running around and eating out, we can pay for things. I'm dying to order our hardwood flooring, I told hubs its been 2 years, I know he is busy. But I so want to get it in. He only works maybe 5 hours a day and I don't blame him at all. But this carpet is looking dirty and I don't want to pay to clean it again if we are replacing it.
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Post by giramomma on May 10, 2020 22:30:28 GMT -5
I was driving along yesterday looking at all the packed parking lots at the big box mega stores and the huge grocery stores, but then I'd come upon a strip mall with a mom and pop craft store with a closed sign up. So anyone shopping for crafts is probably just going to go to Walmart. How is that helping the spread? It depends on the type of craft and customer. I would make that sort of assumption. In my neck of the woods, the small craft businesses that KNOW their customer base is mostly those that are vulnerable closed up before our shelter in place hit. Even things like classes and retreats have been cancelled, well past when our safer at home orders are supposed to be lifted. Walmart also has been cutting back on their craft supplies. The only place I can actually have access to all the embroidery thread colors is not Walmart, but, my local small craft business.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 22:49:33 GMT -5
I was driving along yesterday looking at all the packed parking lots at the big box mega stores and the huge grocery stores, but then I'd come upon a strip mall with a mom and pop craft store with a closed sign up. So anyone shopping for crafts is probably just going to go to Walmart. How is that helping the spread? It depends on the type of craft and customer. I would make that sort of assumption. In my neck of the woods, the small craft businesses that KNOW their customer base is mostly those that are vulnerable closed up before our shelter in place hit. Even things like classes and retreats have been cancelled, well past when our safer at home orders are supposed to be lifted. Walmart also has been cutting back on their craft supplies. The only place I can actually have access to all the embroidery thread colors is not Walmart, but, my local small craft business. And your local small craft business is open? I just assumed craft stores would be considered non-essential.
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Post by tallguy on May 10, 2020 23:09:55 GMT -5
I would get in a car and drive somewhere- like Yosemite or the beach or some other outdoor thing. I would stay in an expensive hotel. I would hang out by the pool, go hiking, etc. They are finding warm outdoor venues, with space for distance are pretty low risk. I probably won't be in line the day Disneyland re-opens. Way too much togetherness and common surfaces there. The real question is if I would get on a plane. I would have been in Yosemite with DB1 now if not for this whole Covid19 and we would have been in Carmel and Monterey last week. BTW I thought we would be talking about a different type of boom spending after all this time of SIP. The 2020-21 boom so to speak I would have been leaving this week for Yosemite, Sequoia/Kings Canyon, Reno, Tahoe, and a couple other places. Had all the reservations lined up. Instead, we stayed in Florida a bit longer and just flew home yesterday. We were able to go to the beach a few times in the last week. One was pretty crowded on Friday but the other wasn't bad at all on the other days. Home for the next several months at least, but will probably go back to Florida again in November. Until then, it's going to be walking, hiking, or biking around the area. Fortunately there are a lot of good areas not too far away. Not going to be spending much at all.
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Post by tcu2003 on May 11, 2020 0:10:48 GMT -5
We were planning on taking a big trip this summer to celebrate our 10th anniversary, but that won’t happen now. Depending on how things look in the next 6-8 weeks, we’ll either stay here, or possibly drive somewhere and likely rent through Airbnb or maybe a hotel (not sure how I feel about that at the moment) and then do lots of outdoor activities. Up for discussion now are Mount Rushmore/Badlands in South Dakota or beach in the Gulf Shores area. Both are about the same distance drive for us.
Many of our typical family vacations involve things like children’s and/or science museums, baseball games, zoos and/or aquariums, so whatever we do, it won’t end up looking like one of those.
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Post by tractor on May 11, 2020 6:39:37 GMT -5
I’ve got 10 weeks of vacation to use this year so I plan to take a road trip late summer/early fall. With so much time I think it’s a great excuse to do some driving around the country to check things out. I usually fly everywhere, but until things get sorted out (and they have a reliable vaccine) I don’t think Ill be flying too many places.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 6:47:09 GMT -5
I was driving along yesterday looking at all the packed parking lots at the big box mega stores and the huge grocery stores, but then I'd come upon a strip mall with a mom and pop craft store with a closed sign up. So anyone shopping for crafts is probably just going to go to Walmart. How is that helping the spread? Yeah, that's what I don't understand. I was so happy to see that the Wild Bird Store near me was open on weekends- I buy hulled seeds in 40-lb. bags, which the big box stores don't carry. I was the only customer, I put the bag on the counter with the bar code face up, she scanned it, I used the card reader, I took it out the door. Far safer.
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 11, 2020 7:28:32 GMT -5
It depends on the type of craft and customer. I would make that sort of assumption. In my neck of the woods, the small craft businesses that KNOW their customer base is mostly those that are vulnerable closed up before our shelter in place hit. Even things like classes and retreats have been cancelled, well past when our safer at home orders are supposed to be lifted. Walmart also has been cutting back on their craft supplies. The only place I can actually have access to all the embroidery thread colors is not Walmart, but, my local small craft business. And your local small craft business is open? I just assumed craft stores would be considered non-essential. Around here they can be open if they sell fabric. That's considered essential. I am ready to go somewhere out of my house. By the end of May, my third trip with flights during this debacle will be cancelled. I'm rebooking that one for the first week of August.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 11, 2020 7:32:31 GMT -5
I was driving along yesterday looking at all the packed parking lots at the big box mega stores and the huge grocery stores, but then I'd come upon a strip mall with a mom and pop craft store with a closed sign up. So anyone shopping for crafts is probably just going to go to Walmart. How is that helping the spread? Yeah, that's what I don't understand. I was so happy to see that the Wild Bird Store near me was open on weekends- I buy hulled seeds in 40-lb. bags, which the big box stores don't carry. I was the only customer, I put the bag on the counter with the bar code face up, she scanned it, I used the card reader, I took it out the door. Far safer. I was happy to find out the natural store I go to is still open. I go there to get quite a few of my beauty products and other items. I tend to be the only customer there when I go in, sometimes there may be 1 or 2 others. Way less risk than the hundreds of people at Wal-mart or Target but she would be one of those "non-essential" stores that people like to cry foul about and how dare she be open. I get everyone's risk tolerance is different and that is your right. I just don't like the hypocrisy of crying about the hair salons and tattoo parlors while you stand in a line 100+ people deep for three hours to get into Menard's. "Essential" shopping or no you aren't superior to those who choose to get a tattoo to support their local parlor right now or get a hair cut to support their regular stylist.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 7:46:17 GMT -5
And your local small craft business is open? I just assumed craft stores would be considered non-essential. Around here they can be open if they sell fabric. That's considered essential. I am ready to go somewhere out of my house. By the end of May, my third trip with flights during this debacle will be cancelled. I'm rebooking that one for the first week of August. Yeah, I just threw craft stores out there because I assumed non-essential (cuz I never go to them! ROFL), but you can insert any small "non-essential" strip mall store. My SIL used to own a scrapbooking store in my town and if there were 3 people in it at one time it was "busy". So much easier to avoid people in a small specialty store than a big box.
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Post by Blonde Granny on May 11, 2020 7:54:04 GMT -5
I don't know if Joann Fabric is open and what I need is the special thread made in Germany by Guterman. No one else around here carries it. Fabric I can get at Hobby Lobby and I intend to stop there today for some red fabric. Of course, it's not on sale at 50% off this week so 1/2 yd. will have to do.
I played with my new sewing machine yesterday but had a lot of trouble getting the BSR (don't ask) to work like the manual said, so I'm hoping the place I bought it from will do an phone tutorial and walk me through it. In the meantime, I'm off to the chiropractor in 1/2 hour.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 7:58:31 GMT -5
I just don't like the hypocrisy of crying about the hair salons and tattoo parlors while you stand in a line 100+ people deep for three hours to get into Menard's. "Essential" shopping or no you aren't superior to those who choose to get a tattoo to support their local parlor right now or get a hair cut to support their regular stylist. Yeah, the indignant responses to re-opening tattoo parlors made no sense to me. I don't have any tattoos and likely never will, but they have to have extensive training in sanitation procedures to get licensed and I assume they get inspected periodically. While you've got close one-on-one with the tattoo artist you're not near any other customers or employees. And I'm looking forward to getting a haircut. In theory, Great Clips can now open in my state but I see only one that's kind of far away scheduled to open in a week. You have to make an appointment on-line so that will control the number of people in the shop. I don't consider this very high-risk.
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Post by hoops902 on May 11, 2020 8:15:36 GMT -5
I think you're likely to see a "boom" in spending compared to quarantine spending in some areas. We've got 2 kids that we normally would have gotten clothes for in a store for summer. Instead we had to order some, but we basically just ordered enough so they'd have the minimum they need right now. Once it's more "open" we'll take them clothes shopping, my wife and I both need new shoes and a few new clothes. I don't envision jumping on a plane anytime soon, but I do think we'll have a spike in our consumer spending that we've been putting off.
As an example, our kids both have birthdays in Fall/Winter, so we typically don't get them "outdoor stuff" until Easter. We haven't done that this year since stores are closed and we didn't really want to order something big online and waste "delivery time" on something so unimportant. We'll probably go out and get them something big for outdoors like a playhouse, or bikes, or something similar. They need a new pool this year to play in also. There's basically just this list of things we're waiting to go get.
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