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Post by Tennesseer on May 9, 2020 15:54:52 GMT -5
Just in case anyone thinks Great Britain's Independent is a wack job newspaper, the New York Times report the same news article a day earlier. Franklin Graham Says He Is Being Harassed Over Central Park Hospital
The evangelical leader’s relief group has been criticized for requiring workers at its field hospital to say they oppose same-sex marriage. Franklin Graham Says He Is Being Harassed Over Central Park HospitalI imagine Billy Graham would be appalled at his son's behavior.
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Post by Opti on May 9, 2020 17:09:43 GMT -5
I heard about this earlier on the news. What I don't understand is why it would be important to Graham to have that signed pledge when they are dealing with sick patients not marrying them. I hope Mount Sinai shuts down the alliance when it is safe to do so.
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Post by Tiny on May 10, 2020 13:08:41 GMT -5
Probably is. The Salvation Army requires people it helps to participate in prayers or listen to a religious talk (sermon)? basically trying to convert the captive audience - before they can receive what ever help they are being given. It use to be that way in the past.. I strongly suspect lots of religious organizations do something similiar if you wan the free food from the food pantry you might have to join a religious celebration (and confirm your faith) before recieving the food. There's also the issue of religious hospitals only offering medical options that fit in with their faith. This is another issue with private schools... if you want your kid to get a religious education - it's a private school that will do it - not a public one. Some private schools won't take students who are not the same faith as the one the school espouses. Chil Fil A and Hobby lobby (and perhaps Jewish Delis?) kind of ride the edge of this - as an atheist I'm not sure I would be welcome to work at Chik Fil A or HObby Lobby - The Jewish Deli might not have a problem with my lack of belief. In truth I suspect that very few every day regular people you meet on the street actually hold religious beliefs - they just "pose" because it's required and what you do (and doesn't seem to hurt anyone by saying they believe when they don't.) My atheist "epiphany" was in 6th/7th grade when I realised that some people actually believe the religious stuff rather than that there were people who did NOT believe it.
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Post by sesfw on May 10, 2020 13:48:50 GMT -5
The Salvation Army requires people it helps to participate in prayers or listen to a religious talk (sermon)? basically trying to convert the captive audience - before they can receive what ever help they are being given. It use to be that way in the past..
In the early 1990s I worked for SA in their office and gave lunch meals to anyone that wanted one. Maybe in larger communities than I was in required attending a service with the meal served after.
"epiphany" was in 6th/7th grade
Mine was about the same age, but I was attending a non-denominational Military Chapel. I was exposed to a wide variety of 'dogma' and decided they can't all be right ....... or wrong. So I had to develop my own faith and beliefs.
I have a deep, deep faith in God, and I follow the teachings and life of Jesus to the best of my ability and what I think is right for ME. I'm happy.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 10, 2020 13:50:38 GMT -5
This article is a month old.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 10, 2020 13:53:19 GMT -5
The Salvation Army requires people it helps to participate in prayers or listen to a religious talk (sermon)? basically trying to convert the captive audience - before they can receive what ever help they are being given. It use to be that way in the past..In the early 1990s I worked for SA in their office and gave lunch meals to anyone that wanted one. Maybe in larger communities than I was in required attending a service with the meal served after. "epiphany" was in 6th/7th grade
Mine was about the same age, but I was attending a non-denominational Military Chapel. I was exposed to a wide variety of 'dogma' and decided they can't all be right ....... or wrong. So I had to develop my own faith and beliefs. I have a deep, deep faith in God, and I follow the teachings and life of Jesus to the best of my ability and what I think is right for ME. I'm happy. Of course you do. Jesus was aways full of snark towards Canadians.
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Post by mollyanna58 on May 10, 2020 14:02:21 GMT -5
The Salvation Army requires people it helps to participate in prayers or listen to a religious talk (sermon)? basically trying to convert the captive audience - before they can receive what ever help they are being given. It use to be that way in the past..In the early 1990s I worked for SA in their office and gave lunch meals to anyone that wanted one. Maybe in larger communities than I was in required attending a service with the meal served after. "epiphany" was in 6th/7th grade
Mine was about the same age, but I was attending a non-denominational Military Chapel. I was exposed to a wide variety of 'dogma' and decided they can't all be right ....... or wrong. So I had to develop my own faith and beliefs. I have a deep, deep faith in God, and I follow the teachings and life of Jesus to the best of my ability and what I think is right for ME. I'm happy. Of course you do. Jesus was aways full of snark towards Canadians. What?
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Post by mollyanna58 on May 10, 2020 14:03:15 GMT -5
This article is a month old. I noticed that, but Mr. Graham probably has not changed his attitude in the last month.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 10, 2020 14:22:32 GMT -5
This article is a month old. I noticed that, but Mr. Graham probably has not changed his attitude in the last month. I'm sure it hasn't changed, but I guess I am surprised that this was so unexpected. How many times do we see things like this about teachers and the ilk?
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Post by jerseygirl on May 10, 2020 14:46:39 GMT -5
NYC government and many people are very intolerant of organizations or companies that have different views They’re not content to live and let live. As far as I’m aware none of them discriminate against LGBT
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Post by sesfw on May 10, 2020 15:05:35 GMT -5
What?
It's ok Molly. I have questioned why a Canadian who hates everything about the US feels compelled to make snarky comments whenever she can.
Don't think she likes me very much .......... but that's ok by me. She is enough miles away that I can't hear her head explode when I call her on it.
BTW ....... Jesus responded to a lot of statements with a question. Read your Bible
Love progressive Christianity ..........
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Post by thyme4change on May 10, 2020 15:13:41 GMT -5
It is illegal to not treat someone because they can't pay. But it is religious freedom to not treat them because they believe in gay marriage (not even that they are gay - just that they are okay with gay people getting married.)
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Post by weltschmerz on May 10, 2020 15:17:33 GMT -5
What?It's ok Molly. I have questioned why a Canadian who hates everything about the US feels compelled to make snarky comments whenever she can. Don't think she likes me very much .......... but that's ok by me. She is enough miles away that I can't hear her head explode when I call her on it. BTW ....... Jesus responded to a lot of statements with a question. Read your Bible Love progressive Christianity .......... I don't hate everything about the US. I'm exactly like American democrats...I hate that noxious, incompetent bastard, Trump, Republicans, and everything they stand for.
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Post by jerseygirl on May 10, 2020 15:26:48 GMT -5
It is illegal to not treat someone because they can't pay. But it is religious freedom to not treat them because they believe in gay marriage (not even that they are gay - just that they are okay with gay people getting married.) But they DO treat everyone and don’t discriminate against gay people.
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Post by billisonboard on May 10, 2020 15:27:40 GMT -5
It is illegal to not treat someone because they can't pay. But it is religious freedom to not treat them because they believe in gay marriage (not even that they are gay - just that they are okay with gay people getting married.) To clarify, this is not about who is treated but who this organization hires to do the treating. ... operating a field hospital in Central Park for coronavirus patients that requires workers to sign a pledge that they are Christians who oppose same-sex marriage. ...
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Post by tallguy on May 11, 2020 17:26:09 GMT -5
What?It's ok Molly. I have questioned why a Canadian who hates everything about the US feels compelled to make snarky comments whenever she can. Don't think she likes me very much .......... but that's ok by me. She is enough miles away that I can't hear her head explode when I call her on it. BTW ....... Jesus responded to a lot of statements with a question. Read your Bible Love progressive Christianity .......... I don't hate everything about the US. I'm exactly like American democrats...I hate that noxious, incompetent bastard, Trump, Republicans, and everything they stand for. And I am an American independent who hates that noxious, incompetent bastard Trump, the current incarnation of Republicans, and almost everything they stand for.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 11, 2020 17:43:27 GMT -5
NYC government and many people are very intolerant of organizations or companies that have different views They’re not content to live and let live. As far as I’m aware none of them discriminate against LGBT Rev. Franklin Graham and his Samaritan’s Purse were discriminating in New York, that is would not hire doctors, nurses and other medical/hospital staff unless they agreed "to sign a pledge that they are Christians who oppose same-sex marriage." From the link I provided the other day: "Mr. Graham said Samaritan’s Purse, a nondenominational evangelical organization that often works in developing countries, had never discriminated against a patient. But he said that the group had a right to “lawfully hire staff who share our Christian beliefs” because it is a religious charity."
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Post by jerseygirl on May 11, 2020 18:37:24 GMT -5
NYC government and many people are very intolerant of organizations or companies that have different views They’re not content to live and let live. As far as I’m aware none of them discriminate against LGBT Rev. Franklin Graham and his Samaritan’s Purse were discriminating in New York, that is would not hire doctors, nurses and other medical/hospital staff unless they agreed "to sign a pledge that they are Christians who oppose same-sex marriage." From the link I provided the other day: "Mr. Graham said Samaritan’s Purse, a nondenominational evangelical organization that often works in developing countries, had never discriminated against a patient. But he said that the group had a right to “lawfully hire staff who share our Christian beliefs” because it is a religious charity." I Meant didn’t discriminate against patients.
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Post by billisonboard on May 11, 2020 18:46:44 GMT -5
Rev. Franklin Graham and his Samaritan’s Purse were discriminating in New York, that is would not hire doctors, nurses and other medical/hospital staff unless they agreed "to sign a pledge that they are Christians who oppose same-sex marriage." From the link I provided the other day: "Mr. Graham said Samaritan’s Purse, a nondenominational evangelical organization that often works in developing countries, had never discriminated against a patient. But he said that the group had a right to “lawfully hire staff who share our Christian beliefs” because it is a religious charity." I Meant didn’t discriminate against patients. Rev. Franklin Graham and his Samaritan’s Purse are very intolerant of human beings who have different views They’re not content to live and let live. As far as I’m aware they discriminate against LGBT
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Post by weltschmerz on May 11, 2020 18:49:45 GMT -5
I Meant didn’t discriminate against patients. Rev. Franklin Graham and his Samaritan’s Purse are very intolerant of human beings who have different views They’re not content to live and let live. As far as I’m aware they discriminate against LGBT They also discriminate against health professionals who are pro LGBTQ.
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Post by billisonboard on May 11, 2020 19:07:38 GMT -5
Rev. Franklin Graham and his Samaritan’s Purse are very intolerant of human beings who have different views They’re not content to live and let live. As far as I’m aware they discriminate against LGBT They also discriminate against health professionals who are pro LGBTQ. They don't even have to be "pro", they discriminate unless the person is "anti". Technical point: I am not "pro LGBTQ" any more (or less) than I am "pro heterosexual". I am "pro human being" in all the wondrous variety that can entail.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 11, 2020 19:08:03 GMT -5
Rev. Franklin Graham and his Samaritan’s Purse were discriminating in New York, that is would not hire doctors, nurses and other medical/hospital staff unless they agreed "to sign a pledge that they are Christians who oppose same-sex marriage." From the link I provided the other day: "Mr. Graham said Samaritan’s Purse, a nondenominational evangelical organization that often works in developing countries, had never discriminated against a patient. But he said that the group had a right to “lawfully hire staff who share our Christian beliefs” because it is a religious charity." I Meant didn’t discriminate against patients. It equally bad discriminating against patients and hiring staff.
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Post by thyme4change on May 12, 2020 12:27:38 GMT -5
NYC government and many people are very intolerant of organizations or companies that have different views They’re not content to live and let live. As far as I’m aware none of them discriminate against LGBT Rev. Franklin Graham and his Samaritan’s Purse were discriminating in New York, that is would not hire doctors, nurses and other medical/hospital staff unless they agreed "to sign a pledge that they are Christians who oppose same-sex marriage." From the link I provided the other day: "Mr. Graham said Samaritan’s Purse, a nondenominational evangelical organization that often works in developing countries, had never discriminated against a patient. But he said that the group had a right to “lawfully hire staff who share our Christian beliefs” because it is a religious charity." Ah. My bad. They are still a bag of dicks.
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Post by busymom on May 12, 2020 12:32:20 GMT -5
My personal fear is, their intolerant hiring practices will carry over into discrimination of who gets the best treatment. We don't want them putting anyone they consider "undesirable" into the DNR section.
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Post by skubikky on May 12, 2020 15:05:24 GMT -5
Probably is. The Salvation Army requires people it helps to participate in prayers or listen to a religious talk (sermon)? basically trying to convert the captive audience - before they can receive what ever help they are being given. It use to be that way in the past.. I strongly suspect lots of religious organizations do something similiar if you wan the free food from the food pantry you might have to join a religious celebration (and confirm your faith) before recieving the food. There's also the issue of religious hospitals only offering medical options that fit in with their faith. This is another issue with private schools... if you want your kid to get a religious education - it's a private school that will do it - not a public one. Some private schools won't take students who are not the same faith as the one the school espouses. Chil Fil A and Hobby lobby (and perhaps Jewish Delis?) kind of ride the edge of this - as an atheist I'm not sure I would be welcome to work at Chik Fil A or HObby Lobby - The Jewish Deli might not have a problem with my lack of belief. In truth I suspect that very few every day regular people you meet on the street actually hold religious beliefs - they just "pose" because it's required and what you do (and doesn't seem to hurt anyone by saying they believe when they don't.) My atheist "epiphany" was in 6th/7th grade when I realised that some people actually believe the religious stuff rather than that there were people who did NOT believe it. First, a Jewish deli which will serve many traditional Jewish foods but might not be Kosher. A Kosher deli will follow the Jewish dietary rules called Kashrut. One does not need to be Jewish or follow Kashrut(Jewish dietary laws) personally to work in a Jewish or Kosher restaurant. I don't know what your personal experience is with "Jewish delis" but I can absolutely assure you that the vast majority, employ people from all backgrounds. If the restaurant is Kosher vs Jewish any employee will be versed in the rules of Kashrut and would be expected to follow those rules if the establishment is indeed Kosher.
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Post by swamp on May 12, 2020 15:09:55 GMT -5
I don't hate everything about the US. I'm exactly like American democrats...I hate that noxious, incompetent bastard, Trump, Republicans, and everything they stand for. And I am an American independent who hates that noxious, incompetent bastard Trump, the current incarnation of Republicans, and almost everything they stand for. yeah, but you started out as canadian. you don't count.
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Post by swamp on May 12, 2020 15:13:16 GMT -5
I Meant didn’t discriminate against patients. Rev. Franklin Graham and his Samaritan’s Purse are very intolerant of human beings who have different views They’re not content to live and let live. As far as I’m aware they discriminate against LGBT it sounds like they also discriminate again jews, atheists, muslims, buddhists, taoists, hindis, liberal christians, and anyone else who isn't a fundamental christian. It also sounds like they are not trying to get the best medical help they can get. Sorry Dr. Goldstein, Dr. Iqbal, and Dr. Wu, you aren't born again christians, go away, I don't care how talented you are.
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Post by tallguy on May 12, 2020 15:30:40 GMT -5
And I am an American independent who hates that noxious, incompetent bastard Trump, the current incarnation of Republicans, and almost everything they stand for. yeah, but you started out as canadian. you don't count. Not me. I've been to Canada maybe three times but I'm not from there nor was my family. Of course Seattle might just as well be, I guess.... Mixing up your ex-MSN moderators?
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Post by swamp on May 12, 2020 15:33:12 GMT -5
yeah, but you started out as canadian. you don't count. Not me. I've been to Canada maybe three times but I'm not from there nor was my family. Of course Seattle might just as well be, I guess.... Mixing up your ex-MSN moderators? Yes. Mea Culpa. Or you're lying. Meh, I'm probably wrong.
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