jelloshots4all
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 7, 2020 20:08:51 GMT -5
A friend of mine in GA posted a graph about the declines in GA. Not enough to meet the Fed guidelines as we all know. He was proud of GA. I wanted to respond that GA has only been open for a week, and those numbers could be completely opposite in a month with huge spikes. I heard on the news that over 60,000 people flocked to GA last weekend because their states had not reopened. It's merely going to spread worse with this kind of behavior!
Waiting on our state supreme court (R) to decide if they lift the Gov (D), stay at home initiative that is in place until May 26. I get it we are closed through Memorial Day weekend. However, if we haven't met the criteria, and open for Memorial Day, people are going to be partying and stupid. My bet is they announce tomorrow that we are partially open Monday 5/11. I'm hunkered in place.
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Post by jerseygirl on May 7, 2020 20:55:37 GMT -5
People will be desperate to start their business, get to job etc cause they have no money People will be stupid and want to party or shop no mask but makeup People will be cautious and wear masks or order groceries on line Young healthy people will most of them be fine Old cautious people or people with medical problems mostly will be fine if they’re careful enough People will do what they want and in a year or two when or if there’s a vaccine or treatment we will deal with the consequences
Taxes will go up States and federal government will be in more money troubles I don’t care anymore what others do, be responsible for yourself and your decisions and consequences
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Post by billisonboard on May 7, 2020 21:04:43 GMT -5
Trump administration rejects CDC guidance on reopening US amid coronavirusI run a camp. I read the section of the guidelines that apply to camps. They are excellent as a starting point for us to determine what we need to do to safely re-open. They are clearly written as suggestions and not dictates. They are detailed, which is wonderful. They will help us consider things we might overlook until we face them with kids already on site. I will use them even without the White House's blessing.
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jelloshots4all
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 7, 2020 21:27:38 GMT -5
People will be desperate to start their business, get to job etc cause they have no money People will be stupid and want to party or shop no mask but makeup People will be cautious and wear masks or order groceries on line Young healthy people will most of them be fine Old cautious people or people with medical problems mostly will be fine if they’re careful enough People will do what they want and in a year or two when or if there’s a vaccine or treatment we will deal with the consequences Taxes will go up States and federal government will be in more money troubles I don’t care anymore what others do, be responsible for yourself and your decisions and consequences jerseygirl- your last point is where I am at. Go ahead and open everything up so they stop bitching. But I'm not supporting those businesses because I am keeping my family safe. Really bored, but safe! The only busietsses that I (and this is my opinion only) consider that need to open are dentists, eye Dr, and other Dr offices. I have survived for 7 weeks without NEEDING some of the other businesses. Again just what I need and I understand others have different needs
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Post by Tennesseer on May 7, 2020 22:35:10 GMT -5
Guidelines drafted by CDC were rejected by Trump administration citing religious freedom, economic concerns: reportThe Trump administration rejected guidelines proposed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on how to take public health precautions to safely reopen the economy, according to The New York Times. The guidelines drafted were meant to instruct how schools, restaurants, churches and other establishments can safely reopen. They include using disposable dishes and utensils at restaurants, closing every other row of seats in buses and trains while restricting transit routes to areas experiencing high levels of coronavirus infection. They also recommend separating children at school and camps into groups that shouldn’t mix throughout the day, among other suggestions. White House officials reportedly rejected the guidance due to concerns that it could hamper the administration’s efforts to swiftly reopen the economy. One Department of Health and Human Services official rejected any guidance in churches, claiming the measures would infringe on religious liberties, according to the newspaper. According to the drafted guidance obtained by the Times, the CDC recommends that religious congregations maintain social distancing by observing services via live streaming, especially if certain members of the community are elderly, or otherwise at risk. Complete article here: Guidelines drafted by CDC were rejected by Trump administration citing religious freedom, economic concerns: report
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Post by giramomma on May 7, 2020 23:39:12 GMT -5
My MIL was talking to me about all the policies our old diocese was putting into place for attending mass. Three pages of rules. It seemed hardly worth it for folks to attend.
Our diocese runs a overnight summer camp. They canceled that camp completely this summer. I was surprised.
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 8, 2020 5:34:34 GMT -5
My MIL was talking to me about all the policies our old diocese was putting into place for attending mass. Three pages of rules. It seemed hardly worth it for folks to attend.
Our diocese runs a overnight summer camp. They canceled that camp completely this summer. I was surprised.
I don't know what, if any, plans my diocese has for public serviced. I do know the vast majority that attend mass are 65+, and the church would be in a world of hurt to lose too many of them.
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 8, 2020 6:58:54 GMT -5
I had to do pre cana classes to get married so they have my email address. I get occasional emails from the archbishop for Baltimore. There was a whole list of things for when they reopen and public mass won't occur until phase 2. We aren't even in phase 1.
Limits on attendance, spacing between families, masks required, no sign of peace, no communion wine, social distancing in the line for communion and face shields for priests among other things. It also says larger parishes may not reopen in phase 2 because they may not want to limit attendance. Obligation to attend remains suspended and those considered vulnerable should not attend.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 8:22:13 GMT -5
Limits on attendance, spacing between families, masks required, no sign of peace, no communion wine, social distancing in the line for communion and face shields for priests among other things. It also says larger parishes may not reopen in phase 2 because they may not want to limit attendance. Obligation to attend remains suspended and those considered vulnerable should not attend. And no coffee hour in our Episcopal Diocese. I always enjoyed baking for coffee hour- DH did, too. We didn't need the calories at home but it was fun to share. Our priest will likely use tongs to hand out the consecrated bread- we have a few that are meant to retrieve bread accidentally dropped into the communion wine. Like LizardQueen, we have a lot of people age 65+ and I don't know how many will return. I'm in that group but don't have any ongoing health issues so I plan to be there, with appropriate precautions. We're supposed to submit a plan for re-opening after the number of newly-reported cases has been decreasing for 14 days straight. I volunteered to start collecting the numbers for the country where we're located, another county where many of our members live, and the greater Metro area. I don't think we'll ever meet the strict Diocesan criteria- just yesterday the Metro area spiked and part of it was 11 cases in a nursing home. At least we've started tracking and will get an idea of trends. No one expects opening before June, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 9:33:55 GMT -5
People will be desperate to start their business, get to job etc cause they have no money People will be stupid and want to party or shop no mask but makeup People will be cautious and wear masks or order groceries on line Young healthy people will most of them be fine Old cautious people or people with medical problems mostly will be fine if they’re careful enoughPeople will do what they want and in a year or two when or if there’s a vaccine or treatment we will deal with the consequences Taxes will go up States and federal government will be in more money troubles I don’t care anymore what others do, be responsible for yourself and your decisions and consequences It's exponentially harder to be "careful" when the rest of your community isn't and thus will have more asymptomatic spreaders because people are more concerned with getting a tattoo or eating out than helping to protect the rest of their community.
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Post by jerseygirl on May 8, 2020 12:17:49 GMT -5
People will be desperate to start their business, get to job etc cause they have no money People will be stupid and want to party or shop no mask but makeup People will be cautious and wear masks or order groceries on line Young healthy people will most of them be fine Old cautious people or people with medical problems mostly will be fine if they’re careful enoughPeople will do what they want and in a year or two when or if there’s a vaccine or treatment we will deal with the consequences Taxes will go up States and federal government will be in more money troubles I don’t care anymore what others do, be responsible for yourself and your decisions and consequences It's exponentially harder to be "careful" when the rest of your community isn't and thus will have more asymptomatic spreaders because people are more concerned with getting a tattoo or eating out than helping to protect the rest of their community. Yes more difficult to be careful but I don’t think we can keep lock down for much more time - that’s difficult also Need to balance the risks and each person should be responsible
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Post by mollyc on May 8, 2020 12:25:00 GMT -5
"It's in our hands...as long as we remember to wash them often and well" - Dr Bonnie Henry (only slightly paraphrased).
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Post by movingforward on May 8, 2020 13:52:48 GMT -5
If people would practice good hygiene and wear a mask when inside facilities, then we could open things up without fear of overwhelming the healthcare system. My organization has been doing webinars for the past 6 weeks. We have a panel of doctors talking about the issues. A few things I have learned: 1. This thing about washing your hands for 20 seconds is NOT a guideline. This shit is for real. They showed a video of the virus on skin and it does not disappear until after 20 seconds.
2. Micro biologist have been studying the fact that some people have no symptoms or only mild symptoms. They believe this could very well be because some are getting an extremely mild dose of the virus from touching a surface. They touch something and then touch their face. Their immune system kicks in immediately and they end up with either no or mild symptoms. Those that get a big dose (e.g. someone coughs or sneezes next to them) end up with a more severe case. This is why wearing a mask while in stores is important. It could be the difference between getting a large dose of this thing or a small dose.
3. Sun does a pretty good job of killing the virus so people being out on the beaches this summer is probably not a huge concern. The bigger concern is the evening time when the younger crowd starts partying and hooking up (doing what 20 somethings do when they go to the beach), but families just sitting around on the beach is probably not a huge concern. Same can probably be said for zoos and theme parks. It's going to be hot enough to start killing shit off as long as they can come up with ways to social distance people in line, etc. Being outside in general is good...the vitamin D is good for your immune system and it is actually really hard for the virus to spread outside. Being inside is a whole different story...
4. Hair salons, tattoo parlors, etc. are not a huge threat as long as they clean properly and both parties wear a face mask.
If people would just practice excellent hygiene and wear a face mask when necessary then we could start opening things up without fear of overwhelming our healthcare system. Unfortunately, the world is full of assholes that refuse to conform to what is needed to help us safely open the nation.
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