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Post by busymom on May 2, 2020 14:05:10 GMT -5
YEah, I was kind of wondering about Florida.... they've got a median age of 41 in the state (New York has a median age of 36) Other states with higher death counts also have lower median age. So Florida's got a lot of old people. I checked and Florida has about 70K people in "nursing homes" state wide currently. I'm guessing someone with the Coronavirus visited some of those nursing homes. And I suspect a lot of older people in Florida live in their own homes (if they don't need assistance on a day to day basis) who also may have bumped into the virus at the Publix or a restaurant or some other entertainment venue. I thought it was kind of odd that Florida wasn't seeing some higher death counts - there seem to be a lot of people in Florida who fit the "high risk" profile for a bad outcome from catching Covid19. They've also got a population that travels so I would think there would be more 'hot spots'... And they've got a large "poor" population. With the low spread and low death counts - I was thinking maybe someone down there had found the "Fountain of Youth" which turned out to actually be the "Fountain of Health for Old People". Maybe Florida old people don't go out alot? Maybe Florida isn't seeing an increase in "home deaths"? Maybe they are but they aren't counting the "gap" deaths (if 100 per day were expected to die at home on a typical day - but now 150 or more are dying - it MIGHT indicate that some of those people died from Covid19 or complications from it). Chicago saw something like that in the days (and weeks after) the HeatWave of 1995... older people started dying at home and it pretty much went unnoticed until the morgues and funeral homes had to resort to refriderated trucks to hand the bodies. It was also only about an extra 700 deaths over a few weeks - which might mirror covid deaths. It also wasn't obvious that the heat had been a big contributor to the deaths UNTIL afterwards. Europe saw something very similar when they had their week long heatwave a bunch of years ago. FYI: turns out that old people (and anyone with health issues) living with the heat (in 100's) for 2 or 3 days/nights (or more) with no relief tend to start dying on the 4th/5th day and forward - even after the heat subsides. That's why we've now got designated "cooling stations" - like the local library or the Mall - where people without AC (or the inability to adequately cool their homes) are encouraged to go for some hours during the day when we have temps in the upper 90's (and no relief at night) for a day or two. Being able to spend a few hours each day not overheated makes a big difference in the outcome for seniors and people with poor health. I've heard they're not reporting any statistics of deaths in nursing homes. Gee, I wonder why? The governor of Florida & our current POTUS drink the same Kool-Aid.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 2, 2020 14:24:38 GMT -5
I don't think I'm going to change my behavior that much if my state opens up. I'm not high risk, but I don't want to go through getting that disease. And keeping myself healthy will help keep the medical system from getting overwhelmed. The schools in my state are closed for the rest of the year. I don't know what I'm going to do if they open up in the fall. My two extroverted children spiraled when they lost school. Ironically only kid that has done well being homeschooled is the one who is in a special ed classroom. Part of the mandate here is while school is out the teachers/adminstrators are still having to work in order to come up with a game plan for fall. I will give our mayor a bit of credit she closed the schools faster than the state mandated it. I hope they will put this time to good use. Given the situation with internet access in the area I cannot see how they would be able to go fully online. You can't expect parents to teach their kids from the car at city wifi hot spots for the entire fall semester. Also by then I am sure a majority of employers are going to expect employees back at the office at least some of the time. I try not to think too hard about it because it gives me panic attacks. We'll cross that bridge when the time comes. Right now I just want to make it through May. Summer care is going to open up. We are hesitant but I signed up anyhow because them opening is still tenative and they have not announced exactly how many kids they will be able to hold yet given kids have to be 10 to a room. I'd rather sort out my feelings while having a spot held then end up having no choice and not being able to get one. We got till the end of May before it starts so that is a month to see what happens case wise in our city. They have been open since the school closed providing continued care for essential workers so I am not too worried about their system itself. However even the most "perfect" system can't stop things if the virus starts spreading like wild fire. No easy choices when you are a parent. Unless you are independently wealthy or can afford to have someone quit their job/retire early those of us with young kids requiring daycare are going to have to make some decisions in a few months.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 14:31:01 GMT -5
YEah, I was kind of wondering about Florida.... they've got a median age of 41 in the state (New York has a median age of 36) Other states with higher death counts also have lower median age. So Florida's got a lot of old people. I checked and Florida has about 70K people in "nursing homes" state wide currently. I'm guessing someone with the Coronavirus visited some of those nursing homes. And I suspect a lot of older people in Florida live in their own homes (if they don't need assistance on a day to day basis) who also may have bumped into the virus at the Publix or a restaurant or some other entertainment venue. I thought it was kind of odd that Florida wasn't seeing some higher death counts - there seem to be a lot of people in Florida who fit the "high risk" profile for a bad outcome from catching Covid19. They've also got a population that travels so I would think there would be more 'hot spots'... And they've got a large "poor" population. With the low spread and low death counts - I was thinking maybe someone down there had found the "Fountain of Youth" which turned out to actually be the "Fountain of Health for Old People". Maybe Florida old people don't go out alot? Maybe Florida isn't seeing an increase in "home deaths"? Maybe they are but they aren't counting the "gap" deaths (if 100 per day were expected to die at home on a typical day - but now 150 or more are dying - it MIGHT indicate that some of those people died from Covid19 or complications from it). Chicago saw something like that in the days (and weeks after) the HeatWave of 1995... older people started dying at home and it pretty much went unnoticed until the morgues and funeral homes had to resort to refriderated trucks to hand the bodies. It was also only about an extra 700 deaths over a few weeks - which might mirror covid deaths. It also wasn't obvious that the heat had been a big contributor to the deaths UNTIL afterwards. Europe saw something very similar when they had their week long heatwave a bunch of years ago. FYI: turns out that old people (and anyone with health issues) living with the heat (in 100's) for 2 or 3 days/nights (or more) with no relief tend to start dying on the 4th/5th day and forward - even after the heat subsides. That's why we've now got designated "cooling stations" - like the local library or the Mall - where people without AC (or the inability to adequately cool their homes) are encouraged to go for some hours during the day when we have temps in the upper 90's (and no relief at night) for a day or two. Being able to spend a few hours each day not overheated makes a big difference in the outcome for seniors and people with poor health. I've heard they're not reporting any statistics of deaths in nursing homes. Gee, I wonder why? The governor of Florida & our current POTUS drink the same Kool-Aid. In MN 317 of the 395 deaths have been LTC residents. Our county has the third highest death count in the state and all in one nursing home.
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 2, 2020 15:01:14 GMT -5
A lot of Iowa deaths have been nursing homes and now meat packing plant employees. I hope if anything comes out of all this how these places are run is investigated and reforms are put in place. We should not treat our most vulnerable as expendable nor should we be treating those on whose backs our food supply runs on like dirt. The meat packing plants scare me. We are just now seeing the meat packing plants flair up and who knows where all they traveled because we aren't doing any tracking. On top of that now Trump has mandated they stay open but since there are no repercussions if they don't ensure safety who knows how many people they and their families are exposing every day. But we are still not mass testing. So let's reopen on Monday! What is the worst that can happen?! Drama, 77 counties reopened yesterday. My sister is out to see her new grandson today, but she will not be holding him. She told me she would be greatly disappointed if she didn't get to hold him. In talked with DN1 last night, I am absolutely certain she will not be going inside the house or holding the 4 week old baby.
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Post by nidena on May 2, 2020 20:20:41 GMT -5
That's the interesting/concerning thing about Indiana. They say they're going to monitor any increases in cases BUT all restrictions are removed over the course of two weeks which means the state won't know anything about the first phase until AFTER the last phase is complete. They should, instead, do these phases over the course of eight weeks rather than two or three. ALL restrictions will not be lifted until July 4th. IN is doing five stages, a little at a time. Stage Two starts this Monday with some restrictions being lifted only. Yeah, I was happy to see I had misread the article that stated all this. That's what I get for skimming.
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Post by nidena on May 2, 2020 20:31:52 GMT -5
A lot of Iowa deaths have been nursing homes and now meat packing plant employees. I hope if anything comes out of all this how these places are run is investigated and reforms are put in place. We should not treat our most vulnerable as expendable nor should we be treating those on whose backs our food supply runs on like dirt. The meat packing plants scare me. We are just now seeing the meat packing plants flair up and who knows where all they traveled because we aren't doing any tracking. On top of that now Trump has mandated they stay open but since there are no repercussions if they don't ensure safety who knows how many people they and their families are exposing every day. But we are still not mass testing. So let's reopen on Monday! What is the worst that can happen?! A Tyson plant in Indiana just had ~900 test positive. In any case, the next few weeks will be interesting. I'm gonna stay home still. They won't NEED me at WHBM any time soon.
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Post by mollyanna58 on May 2, 2020 20:47:34 GMT -5
The mayor of a local town posted that several groups of older teens / early 20s climbed the fences of different closed playing fields. The park is open for walks but the playing fields are closed and locked.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on May 3, 2020 14:34:06 GMT -5
A lot of Iowa deaths have been nursing homes and now meat packing plant employees. I hope if anything comes out of all this how these places are run is investigated and reforms are put in place. We should not treat our most vulnerable as expendable nor should we be treating those on whose backs our food supply runs on like dirt. The meat packing plants scare me. We are just now seeing the meat packing plants flair up and who knows where all they traveled because we aren't doing any tracking. On top of that now Trump has mandated they stay open but since there are no repercussions if they don't ensure safety who knows how many people they and their families are exposing every day. But we are still not mass testing. So let's reopen on Monday! What is the worst that can happen?! And if just one spouse of a meat packing employee works in a nursing home and contracts it ..............
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 3, 2020 15:01:35 GMT -5
And if just one spouse of a meat packing employee works in a nursing home and contracts it .............. This is exactly what happened in Black Hawk County, Iowa. Tyson plant in Waterloo. 90% of the cases in the county are either Tyson employees or people who live in the household of a Tyson employee and work elsewhere. Sheriff said that was the case of with one of his own deputies. Directly related to Tyson.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 9:42:10 GMT -5
Three counties in CA have now defied the order and are opening up businesses.
I see on FB today that the local small business owners got together and have decided to do the same here where I live in OR. They asked people to support their businesses and not report them to the state for defying the closure orders.
I've come to decide people can do whatever they want, but this has got to result in outbreaks. And, I don't get the feeling the average human understands this.
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 4, 2020 9:48:35 GMT -5
I've come to decide people can do whatever they want, but this has got to result in outbreaks. And, I don't get the feeling the average human understands this. This is the biggest problem of all.
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Post by hoops902 on May 4, 2020 10:24:08 GMT -5
Three counties in CA have now defied the order and are opening up businesses. I see on FB today that the local small business owners got together and have decided to do the same here where I live in OR. They asked people to support their businesses and not report them to the state for defying the closure orders. I've come to decide people can do whatever they want, but this has got to result in outbreaks. And, I don't get the feeling the average human understands this.It will result in outbreaks, literally nobody working in any official capacity is trying to prevent outbreaks from what I've heard anyone say. The goal is to have them happen at a rate at which medical facilities can handle them. Even "closing the state" results in outbreaks. It's the RATE, not whether they occur.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 4, 2020 10:49:58 GMT -5
Three counties in CA have now defied the order and are opening up businesses. I see on FB today that the local small business owners got together and have decided to do the same here where I live in OR. They asked people to support their businesses and not report them to the state for defying the closure orders. I've come to decide people can do whatever they want, but this has got to result in outbreaks. And, I don't get the feeling the average human understands this.It will result in outbreaks, literally nobody working in any official capacity is trying to prevent outbreaks from what I've heard anyone say. The goal is to have them happen at a rate at which medical facilities can handle them. Even "closing the state" results in outbreaks. It's the RATE, not whether they occur. Right now, in my part of the country, it has been all COVID all the time. It overwhelmed everything, and took all our time and effort. We are now on the downswing, and trying to get back to business as usual. it is a tough changeover, and we need to convince people it is safe to come to the hospital for necessary care. But nothing will prevent infections at this point, it is too entrenched. It needs to be kept in a degree of check so we are affected about as much as an influenza epidemic. How to do so is the challenge, because it has never been done before. Have to find our way thru somehow. But not at least following some sort of guidelines is risky.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on May 4, 2020 11:02:04 GMT -5
Three counties in CA have now defied the order and are opening up businesses. I see on FB today that the local small business owners got together and have decided to do the same here where I live in OR. They asked people to support their businesses and not report them to the state for defying the closure orders. I've come to decide people can do whatever they want, but this has got to result in outbreaks. And, I don't get the feeling the average human understands this.It will result in outbreaks, literally nobody working in any official capacity is trying to prevent outbreaks from what I've heard anyone say. The goal is to have them happen at a rate at which medical facilities can handle them. Even "closing the state" results in outbreaks. It's the RATE, not whether they occur. I agree. It's not so much avoiding transmission as it is controlling transmission. I'm going to be selfish and self-centered and say that I want to avoid infection until they have treatments that work.
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Post by hoops902 on May 4, 2020 11:34:38 GMT -5
It will result in outbreaks, literally nobody working in any official capacity is trying to prevent outbreaks from what I've heard anyone say. The goal is to have them happen at a rate at which medical facilities can handle them. Even "closing the state" results in outbreaks. It's the RATE, not whether they occur. I agree. It's not so much avoiding transmission as it is controlling transmission. I'm going to be selfish and self-centered and say that I want to avoid infection until they have treatments that work.I'm not even sure that's necessarily selfish. From a personal perspective, most of us should do what is reasonable to delay infection. If we all do that, then hopefully socially we keep the number of infected down. So personally...yeah, avoid infection. But it's not the goal of society to prevent infection, or those who are running "society" (i.e. governments). We can all have the same societal goals but approach it in different ways depending on whether we're making decisions for ourselves as individuals or for larger segments of the population.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on May 4, 2020 14:01:11 GMT -5
Chandler AZ library reopened to receiving books in the book return and giving out the books that were put on hold or interlibrary loaned. I don't know if they are letting a limited number of patrons in or not. It would be easier to shop books online and ask the librarians to pull them from the shelf then do curb side pick up. How to run the library card, I don't know. At the time of request.
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Post by teen persuasion on May 4, 2020 15:05:42 GMT -5
Just saw what NY's criteria for regional phased reopening are. Currently no region meets more than 5 of 7 criteria, and my region meets even fewer.
1) 14 day decline in hospitalizations or under 15 new (3 day ave)
2) 14 day decline in hospital deaths or < 5 (3 day ave)
3) New hospitalizations under 2/100k residents (3 day ave)
4) Share of hospital beds available above 30% threshold
5) Share of ICU beds above 30% threshold
6) 30 per 1k residents tested monthly (7 day ave of new daily tests)
7) Minimum 30 contact tracers per 100k residents
Nobody has enough contact tracers.
The regions with high testing numbers, have high hospitalization numbers. The regions with low case numbers, have low testing numbers too low. Interesting dichotomy. The regions with low current numbers might find that doing more testing drives their numbers up, too.
The other issue is, what are the population numbers that drive everything else? When local tv reporters tweeted the criteria, everyone started trying to do the math, and realized we need that population figure first. Which then raises the question of how you define the regions. Locally we define our region as 8 counties, but digging into the state's pdf on the criteria, they chunked 3 of our counties off to another region, totally skewing our numbers, removing several low population counties with lowish numbers, making the largest county in the region an outsize elephant.
It also makes reopening "our region" problematic - my 3 county library system is thus severed neatly in 2. The headquarters are "in" the region (less likely to reopen in first round, due to poor numbers), while other 2 counties served are "outside" in a lower count "region" likelier to open early. If headquarters can't open, then the system doesn't function.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 4, 2020 15:11:38 GMT -5
Just saw what NY's criteria for regional phased reopening are. Currently no region meets more than 5 of 7 criteria, and my region meets even fewer. 1) 14 day decline in hospitalizations or under 15 new (3 day ave) 2) 14 day decline in hospital deaths or < 5 (3 day ave) 3) New hospitalizations under 2/100k residents (3 day ave) 4) Share of hospital beds available above 30% threshold 5) Share of ICU beds above 30% threshold 6) 30 per 1k residents tested monthly (7 day ave of new daily tests) 7) Minimum 30 contact tracers per 100k residents Nobody has enough contact tracers. The regions with high testing numbers, have high hospitalization numbers. The regions with low case numbers, have low testing numbers too low. Interesting dichotomy. The regions with low current numbers might find that doing more testing drives their numbers up, too. The other issue is, what are the population numbers that drive everything else? When local tv reporters tweeted the criteria, everyone started trying to do the math, and realized we need that population figure first. Which then raises the question of how you define the regions. Locally we define our region as 8 counties, but digging into the state's pdf on the criteria, they chunked 3 of our counties off to another region, totally skewing our numbers, removing several low population counties with lowish numbers, making the largest county in the region an outsize elephant. It also makes reopening "our region" problematic - my 3 county library system is thus severed neatly in 2. The headquarters are "in" the region (less likely to reopen in first round, due to poor numbers), while other 2 counties served are "outside" in a lower count "region" likelier to open early. If headquarters can't open, then the system doesn't function. All criteria are arbitrary, but you should have something. Not sure I agree about deaths, it is such a lagging statistic in this disease. Could be a surrogate for ICU usage, but that metric is also in there, so I would not use deaths. How to define regions is tricky without a natural boundary. Low incident areas don't want to be included with those of high incident, but if there is a natural link, it is dangerous to lop them off. All these decisions are difficult, and hard to get right. At least NY has some sort of plan to follow.
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Post by justme on May 4, 2020 15:15:42 GMT -5
No state that's opened up actually meets the guidelines. Florida just opened up and the numbers upticked over the weekend.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 4, 2020 15:22:14 GMT -5
We have a SIP order until 5/20. Hospitalizations have been slowly trending downward for 10 days, but deaths have not yet followed suit. Major issue will be testing, but at some point we will have to bite the bullet. Elective surgeries have started back up. We will see how that goes.
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Post by formerroomate99 on May 4, 2020 15:32:00 GMT -5
No state that's opened up actually meets the guidelines. Florida just opened up and the numbers upticked over the weekend. That's not surprising. Those poorer, more isolated states probably figure that they just can't afford to stay closed up much longer. But hopefully, they'll have enough sense to close back down for a while if the spikes get too big. My state has had less than 500 hospitalizations since this began, and a good many of those have already been discharged. They've also turned the local conference center into a popup hospital, just in case. So even if they open up and cases spike, it would have to be a pretty big spike before things get overwhelmed. They're talking about opening up, but it hasn't happened yet.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 4, 2020 15:41:04 GMT -5
We had a recent uptick in cases locally. However, my gut is that it is not because we are not infected, but we are not testing.
Right now, the local criteria for receiving a test is that you damn near need to be severe enough to be hospitalized. Then I heard from my sister yesterday that my niece, who has a cold was tested and came back negative. 2 very disparate examples of where one process can have a huge impact upon a number.
Finally, the number that is annoying me the most is the number of tests run. It doesn’t matter how many tests are run when you are testing the same group of people repeatedly. That gives absolutely NO information with regards to the number of cases.
Surrogate numbers truly suck as indicators.
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Post by formerroomate99 on May 4, 2020 15:48:38 GMT -5
Three counties in CA have now defied the order and are opening up businesses. I see on FB today that the local small business owners got together and have decided to do the same here where I live in OR. They asked people to support their businesses and not report them to the state for defying the closure orders. I've come to decide people can do whatever they want, but this has got to result in outbreaks. And, I don't get the feeling the average human understands this. I have a feeling that most people understand this, they just don't see the disease as a huge risk or are are willing to take the risk. If you're relatively young and don't have any underlying conditions, then your chances of anything worse than 2-4 weeks of hell are pretty slim. Many people are perfectly willing to risk going through that to keep their families from being destitute. I'm lucky to be in a position where I can keep myself safe and still provide for my family. And I see it as my duty to protect myself and my family so the medical people can give their full attention to those who can't work remotely.
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Post by lynnerself on May 4, 2020 15:51:34 GMT -5
Our state has opened up for routine medical and dental. Nothing else yet. Several counties with low numbers want to open. The governor said, show me your plans and we'll consider it. DH has a routine dentist appointment on Wednesday. They say they have all the PPE in place they need. (A state requirement). The big difference is that he is to wait in his car until they call him for his appointment. No hanging out in the waiting room.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 4, 2020 15:56:14 GMT -5
Our state has opened up for routine medical and dental. Nothing else yet. Several counties with low numbers want to open. The governor said, show me your plans and we'll consider it. DH has a routine dentist appointment on Wednesday. They say they have all the PPE in place they need. (A state requirement). The big difference is that he is to wait in his car until they call him for his appointment. No hanging out in the waiting room.
I'd be cool with that if doctors and dentists did it this way forever. Even before corona waiting rooms were a hot bed of germs. You will be the only one there waiting for a routine visit when here comes someone hacking/sneezing into their hands, waltzes around looking for a seat and then chooses the one right next to you. No way to escape because they already spread their germs everywhere. Or it's someone who airs all their dirty laundry over their cell phones. What the heck is the point of HIPAA if you are going to share with the entire class anyhow? I'd be totally cool waiting in my car listening to the radio/playing on my phone rather than sitting in a hotbed of sick loud people for anywhere from 15 minutes to 2 hours till my appointment.
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Post by formerroomate99 on May 4, 2020 16:02:14 GMT -5
Our state has opened up for routine medical and dental. Nothing else yet. Several counties with low numbers want to open. The governor said, show me your plans and we'll consider it. DH has a routine dentist appointment on Wednesday. They say they have all the PPE in place they need. (A state requirement). The big difference is that he is to wait in his car until they call him for his appointment. No hanging out in the waiting room.
I'd be cool with that if doctors and dentists did it this way forever. Even before corona waiting rooms were a hot bed of germs. You will be the only one there waiting for a routine visit when here comes someone hacking/sneezing into their hands, waltzes around looking for a seat and then chooses the one right next to you. No way to escape because they already spread their germs everywhere. My doctor just got new furniture in her waiting room, all velvety upholstering. How the heck are you supposed to clean that? I'm old enough to remember when vynal seats were common in public places like planes and waiting rooms. At least those could be wiped down and blasted with disinfecting spray.
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Post by teen persuasion on May 4, 2020 16:25:11 GMT -5
Just saw what NY's criteria for regional phased reopening are. Currently no region meets more than 5 of 7 criteria, and my region meets even fewer. 1) 14 day decline in hospitalizations or under 15 new (3 day ave) 2) 14 day decline in hospital deaths or < 5 (3 day ave) 3) New hospitalizations under 2/100k residents (3 day ave) 4) Share of hospital beds available above 30% threshold 5) Share of ICU beds above 30% threshold 6) 30 per 1k residents tested monthly (7 day ave of new daily tests) 7) Minimum 30 contact tracers per 100k residents Nobody has enough contact tracers. The regions with high testing numbers, have high hospitalization numbers. The regions with low case numbers, have low testing numbers too low. Interesting dichotomy. The regions with low current numbers might find that doing more testing drives their numbers up, too. The other issue is, what are the population numbers that drive everything else? When local tv reporters tweeted the criteria, everyone started trying to do the math, and realized we need that population figure first. Which then raises the question of how you define the regions. Locally we define our region as 8 counties, but digging into the state's pdf on the criteria, they chunked 3 of our counties off to another region, totally skewing our numbers, removing several low population counties with lowish numbers, making the largest county in the region an outsize elephant. It also makes reopening "our region" problematic - my 3 county library system is thus severed neatly in 2. The headquarters are "in" the region (less likely to reopen in first round, due to poor numbers), while other 2 counties served are "outside" in a lower count "region" likelier to open early. If headquarters can't open, then the system doesn't function. All criteria are arbitrary, but you should have something. Not sure I agree about deaths, it is such a lagging statistic in this disease. Could be a surrogate for ICU usage, but that metric is also in there, so I would not use deaths. How to define regions is tricky without a natural boundary. Low incident areas don't want to be included with those of high incident, but if there is a natural link, it is dangerous to lop them off. All these decisions are difficult, and hard to get right. At least NY has some sort of plan to follow. I think deaths are in there for areas that might not be testing very much, to catch the community numbers. Our region includes the 2nd largest city in the state (a far distance second to NYC), but outside of that county the rest of the region is largely rural (thus lower incidence). We recognize 90% of the cases are in that county, and in the city/suburb center of that county. Even in my more rural county to the north, the cases are concentrated near the border with the big county, and in the smaller cities of our county. NY is very regional, but we all define the regions differently, and there's a degree of overlap. But they should at least try to use the definition of a region that the region itself uses, I believe, and try to follow other cues - like multi-county library systems, school BOCES systems (they'd also be chopping that in half), etc. But, yes, I like that they have at least created some criteria to attempt to measure and meet, and put it out there for the protesters to see. If we can't reach reopen status before the expiration of the May 15 Pause order, then they can see why, and where we need to improve.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 17:52:41 GMT -5
I'd be totally cool waiting in my car listening to the radio/playing on my phone rather than sitting in a hotbed of sick loud people for anywhere from 15 minutes to 2 hours till my appointment. Not in the winter. I HATE just letting my engine idle while I sit- I swear I can see dollars flying out the window. After 2 hours I'd be seething. My son's pediatrician had one exam room with a separate entrance for communicable, or possibly communicable cases. They directed us there when he displayed symptoms of chickenpox, and that's what he had. I thought this was a great idea.
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 4, 2020 17:59:43 GMT -5
I'd be totally cool waiting in my car listening to the radio/playing on my phone rather than sitting in a hotbed of sick loud people for anywhere from 15 minutes to 2 hours till my appointment. Not in the winter. I HATE just letting my engine idle while I sit- I swear I can see dollars flying out the window. After 2 hours I'd be seething. My son's pediatrician had one exam room with a separate entrance for communicable, or possibly communicable cases. They directed us there when he displayed symptoms of chickenpox, and that's what he had. I thought this was a great idea. My kids' pediatrician also has sick and well waiting rooms. Funny you mention idling for 2 hours, as just last week I was trying to explain to a bunch of people on FB that they shouldn't fret so much that their impromptu drive-in movie theater was delayed a couple weeks. That's why they're open primarily in the summer. Anyone who's been to one knows better.
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Post by nidena on May 4, 2020 18:47:23 GMT -5
I'd be cool with that if doctors and dentists did it this way forever. Even before corona waiting rooms were a hot bed of germs. You will be the only one there waiting for a routine visit when here comes someone hacking/sneezing into their hands, waltzes around looking for a seat and then chooses the one right next to you. No way to escape because they already spread their germs everywhere. My doctor just got new furniture in her waiting room, all velvety upholstering. How the heck are you supposed to clean that? I'm old enough to remember when vynal seats were common in public places like planes and waiting rooms. At least those could be wiped down and blasted with disinfecting spray. I was furniture browsing back in February and saw some pretty items at a local store. One was a velour couch--very retro--and all I could think was "How easy would it be to clean cat vomit off this?"
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