Tip of the Iceberg for USA? 70 dead in veterns home

[Tiny]

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nearly-70-dead-in-horrific-outbreak-at-veterans-home/ar-BB13kuZg?li=BBnb7Kz  


The Veterans home deaths are horrific 

but this bit from the bottom of the article is kind terrifying in how quickly the virus spreads in these kinds of facilities and how deadly it is... 

There is currently no official count of nursing home deaths across the country. The federal government has only recently required the nation’s more than 15,000 nursing homes to start reporting numbers of confirmed and presumed deaths and infections, but it is not yet clear when that count will be published.

In the meantime, The Associated Press has been compiling its own tally from state health departments and media reports, finding at least 13,762 deaths from outbreaks in nursing homes and long-term care facilities across the country.

But that is also likely an undercount because only about half the states are currently reporting nursing home deaths and not all count those who died without ever being tested for COVID-19.

I'm wondering if some of the populous states with low death counts - are misrepresenting how many have died from the virus.   I'm assuming all states have nursing homes, assisted living homes, veterans homes, etc... 

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 29, 2020 13:56:36 GMT -5 Tiny said:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nearly-70-dead-in-horrific-outbreak-at-veterans-home/ar-BB13kuZg?li=BBnb7Kz  


The Veterans home deaths are horrific 

but this bit from the bottom of the article is kind terrifying in how quickly the virus spreads in these kinds of facilities and how deadly it is... 

There is currently no official count of nursing home deaths across the country. The federal government has only recently required the nation’s more than 15,000 nursing homes to start reporting numbers of confirmed and presumed deaths and infections, but it is not yet clear when that count will be published.

In the meantime, The Associated Press has been compiling its own tally from state health departments and media reports, finding at least 13,762 deaths from outbreaks in nursing homes and long-term care facilities across the country.

But that is also likely an undercount because only about half the states are currently reporting nursing home deaths and not all count those who died without ever being tested for COVID-19.

Excess mortality will be the best estimate of deaths from this pandemic. Epidemiologists are able to simulate how many people will die in a month in an area/country. You can then remove things like accidents and murders, and see how many more died than predicted. That will give you a much truer idea of deaths. Death certificates are notoriously unreliable when there are pressures to omit the real cause of death, and are frequently too general to get an accurate reading. Happened with HIV, and will happen with this.

[djAdvocate]

hospitals and prisons are death camps right now.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

I know that the last time I looked, Whatcom county had around 300 cases and 27 deaths.  21/27 of those deaths were from a nursing home.  

When that nursing home in Kirkland, WA had problems - it was essentially the canary in the mine for this disease.  EVERY nursing home should have been tested and looking for it.  Our elderly veterans do not deserve this, no one does.

IMO, just another failure of the system that should not have failed as badly as it did.  DH always said RTFM (read the f#$%ing manual), there was a manual on the shelf.  Why was this administration so arrogant not to look?

[weltschmerz]

Apr 29, 2020 14:05:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

hospitals and prisons are death camps right now.

I've been sick for the last 2 days. Really sick...gut issues.  No way am I going to the hospital.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Apr 29, 2020 14:05:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

hospitals and prisons are death camps right now.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

IMO, just another failure of the system that should not have failed as badly as it did. DH always said RTFM (read the f#$%ing manual), there was a manual on the shelf. Why was this administration so arrogant not to look?

Cause Trump is a stable genius and so are all the rich white men around him.    Their rich white male status has protected them all this time why wouldn't it protect them now?  Who gives a shit about a bunch of people in nursing homes?   

I know I am not supposed to wish ill on people but I feel like this administration is not going to take it seriously until one of them personally gets it.   

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 29, 2020 14:05:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

hospitals and prisons are death camps right now.

I would disagree hospitals are death camps. WE have people dying, but they were all infected elsewhere. Nursing homes would be a better description. We have over 1000 employees, only 25 have been infected, 23 are back to work, and we are in a state that has had a significant outbreak.

[Bob Ross]

Apr 29, 2020 14:08:25 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Apr 29, 2020 14:05:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

hospitals and prisons are death camps right now.

I've been sick for the last 2 days. Really sick...gut issues.  No way am I going to the hospital.

Sure you don't have a massive Trump brewing?

[thyme4change]

Apr 29, 2020 15:16:47 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

Apr 29, 2020 14:08:25 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I've been sick for the last 2 days. Really sick...gut issues.  No way am I going to the hospital.

Sure you don't have a massive Trump brewing?

🤣🤣🤣

[happyhoix]

Apr 29, 2020 14:05:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

hospitals and prisons are death camps right now.

A prison in SE TN had 537 test positive for it. Haven't heard if any have died. 

And in Georgia, where the idiot governor Kemp is insisting on opening the movie theaters and bowling lanes, while a new hot spot - Gainesville, in Hall County, where they're finding 200 new cases per day. 

It's the chicken plants, mostly manned by hispanics, so I guess Kemp doesn't care of the brown people are impacted. Brown people probably don't bowl much anyway.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Does anyone know what is up with the bowling alleys?

How many bowling alleys are still left in the nation to the point where they've made the top of the list of things to open first?  I get that they are also business owners and employ people but to the point where they are one of the firsts in line? 

[weltschmerz]

Apr 29, 2020 15:16:47 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

Apr 29, 2020 14:08:25 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I've been sick for the last 2 days. Really sick...gut issues.  No way am I going to the hospital.

Sure you don't have a massive Trump brewing?

Trump in German is a fart.
No, I don't have a massive fart brewing.

[billisonboard]

Apr 29, 2020 15:52:17 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Does anyone know what is up with the bowling alleys?

How many bowling alleys are still left in the nation to the point where they've made the top of the list of things to open first?  I get that they are also business owners and employ people but to the point where they are one of the firsts in line? 

I think the question to ask is more along the lines of, "Can a business operate in a manner that allows for social distancing and proper cleaning?"

[djAdvocate]

Apr 29, 2020 14:45:01 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Apr 29, 2020 14:05:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

hospitals and prisons are death camps right now.

I would disagree hospitals are death camps. WE have people dying, but they were all infected elsewhere. Nursing homes would be a better description. We have over 1000 employees, only 25 have been infected, 23 are back to work, and we are in a state that has had a significant outbreak.

I was referring to the VA.

but I am not retracting it, even though I could have been clearer.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 29, 2020 15:43:30 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Apr 29, 2020 14:05:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

hospitals and prisons are death camps right now.

A prison in SE TN had 537 test positive for it. Haven't heard if any have died. 

And in Georgia, where the idiot governor Kemp is insisting on opening the movie theaters and bowling lanes, while a new hot spot - Gainesville, in Hall County, where they're finding 200 new cases per day. 

It's the chicken plants, mostly manned by hispanics, so I guess Kemp doesn't care of the brown people are impacted. Brown people probably don't bowl much anyway.

some prison I can't remember has 2000+ confirmed cases.

[billisonboard]

Apr 29, 2020 16:30:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 29, 2020 14:45:01 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I would disagree hospitals are death camps. WE have people dying, but they were all infected elsewhere. Nursing homes would be a better description. We have over 1000 employees, only 25 have been infected, 23 are back to work, and we are in a state that has had a significant outbreak.

I was referring to the VA.

but I am not retracting it, even though I could have been clearer.

Do you mean "the state-run Holyoke Soldiers' Home" from the OP?

[djAdvocate]

Apr 29, 2020 16:39:34 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 29, 2020 16:30:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I was referring to the VA.

but I am not retracting it, even though I could have been clearer.

Do you mean "the state-run Holyoke Soldiers' Home" from the OP?

no, the VA in general is what I was thinking.

was that too general?

[billisonboard]

Apr 29, 2020 16:45:36 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 29, 2020 16:39:34 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Do you mean "the state-run Holyoke Soldiers' Home" from the OP?

no, the VA in general is what I was thinking.

was that too general?

Well, you typed "hospitals ... are death camps". If you meant by that the whole of the Veterans Affairs/Administration system in the country is a death camp, than yes, too general.

Edit: Damn, what does that "A" stand for?

[thyme4change]

Apr 29, 2020 15:52:17 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Does anyone know what is up with the bowling alleys?

How many bowling alleys are still left in the nation to the point where they've made the top of the list of things to open first?  I get that they are also business owners and employ people but to the point where they are one of the firsts in line? 

I had the same question. It seems like a very specific industry. It wasn't even like they said "Indoor recreation centers - including bowling alleys, shuffleboard courts, etc." I'm not even judging if it is the right move or not, it just seems weird that it gets a call out. Maybe it slides in with gyms?

BTW - Gyms seem like terrible things to open. There is already so much gross sharing with sweat on the machines, and heavy breathing, and all the random anonymous gay sex in the sauna, etc. So much sharing.

[Bob Ross]

Apr 29, 2020 16:10:44 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Apr 29, 2020 15:16:47 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

Sure you don't have a massive Trump brewing?

Trump in German is a fart.
No, I don't have a massive fart brewing.

Funny.  Trump in BobRossian is orange projectile diarrhea.