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Post by thyme4change on May 13, 2020 17:16:25 GMT -5
Isn't this kind of hiding and numbers manipulation the same thing we are accusing China of doing?
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Post by NastyWoman on May 13, 2020 17:17:12 GMT -5
yeah, because.....transparency!
If you know anything about how diseases are classified, they all have a case definition. If you fit the definition, you count that as the disease. We do it for flu every year. If they reclassify people who die of respiratory failure/pneumonia/respiratory illness but don't have a positive test, as a pneumonia, if there are significant numbers, it will be obvious. For example, in my state, in April, we had 4400 deaths. Last april, we had 1900. We officially had about 2000 deaths from COVID. So we had 500 excess deaths unaccounted for. A significant outbreak is hard to disguise. In addition, since we seem to have no plan to minimize deaths, even a cooked number is going to look bad.You do know the playbook by now right? Drum roll please: trump with hang dog face (those jowls will be put to good use) and robotic read from teleprompter voice will tell his minions how sad he is about all those lost souls (have to get spiritual language in), however if it had been Obama/Hillary/Biden/ anyone one but him in the WH the death toll would have been 10x or more higher. He was at least able to avert that disaster. More sad looks and the strumpettes will gobble it up. Reducing the numbers is going to make him look even better so it is imperative
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 13, 2020 17:48:30 GMT -5
If you know anything about how diseases are classified, they all have a case definition. If you fit the definition, you count that as the disease. We do it for flu every year. If they reclassify people who die of respiratory failure/pneumonia/respiratory illness but don't have a positive test, as a pneumonia, if there are significant numbers, it will be obvious. For example, in my state, in April, we had 4400 deaths. Last april, we had 1900. We officially had about 2000 deaths from COVID. So we had 500 excess deaths unaccounted for. A significant outbreak is hard to disguise. In addition, since we seem to have no plan to minimize deaths, even a cooked number is going to look bad.You do know the playbook by now right? Drum roll please: trump with hang dog face (those jowls will be put to good use) and robotic read from teleprompter voice will tell his minions how sad he is about all those lost souls (have to get spiritual language in), however if it had been Obama/Hillary/Biden/ anyone one but him in the WH the death toll would have been 10x or more higher. He was at least able to avert that disaster. More sad looks and the strumpettes will gobble it up. Reducing the numbers is going to make him look even better so it is imperative The numbers are going to look bad, if 150000 die, and you reduce it by 20%, they still look bad. Look, 35-40% if the population would believe him if he sad he cured cancer. Ignore them. Just need to peel if a few percent of the persuadables. He is not credible on this issue, and if people keep on dying, it stays in the news. Add in his abysmal performance at press conferences, and one can hope. On the other hand, if he wins again, we deserve all the pain we get, because it will prove we are too stupid to have nice things. And a great country will lose a lot. Be prepared for the Chinese century if that happens. All great civilizations fall, unfortunately
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Post by djAdvocate on May 13, 2020 17:50:56 GMT -5
You do know the playbook by now right? Drum roll please: trump with hang dog face (those jowls will be put to good use) and robotic read from teleprompter voice will tell his minions how sad he is about all those lost souls (have to get spiritual language in), however if it had been Obama/Hillary/Biden/ anyone one but him in the WH the death toll would have been 10x or more higher. He was at least able to avert that disaster. More sad looks and the strumpettes will gobble it up. Reducing the numbers is going to make him look even better so it is imperative The numbers are going to look bad, if 150000 die, and you reduce it by 20%, they still look bad. Look, 35-40% if the population would believe him if he sad he cured cancer. Ignore them. Just need to peel if a few percent of the persuadables. He is not credible on this issue, and if people keep on dying, it stays in the news. Add in his abysmal performance at press conferences, and one can hope. On the other hand, if he wins again, we deserve all the pain we get, because it will prove we are too stupid to have nice things. And a great country will lose a lot. Be prepared for the Chinese century if that happens. All great civilizations fall, unfortunately precisely right. all empires have their day in the sun. ours is likely over.
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Post by billisonboard on May 13, 2020 18:11:27 GMT -5
How will we go? Do not go gentle into that good night,.
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Post by Tiny on May 13, 2020 18:16:28 GMT -5
You know, Trump might have been right - the virus will just "miraculously" vanish in a day... I'm hearing more and more rumbles that reporting cases of Covid19 and deaths from it are not being released and/or the way the cases and deaths are reported have changed to allow a more "sunny" view of what's happening. I'm still pretty sure we will hit 100K dead before Memorial Day... Even if the numbers get obfuscated I suspect the death rate will stay somewhat steady in that 2K per day range. I'm guessing the more rural counties will see their death rates rise for a bit (when the virus gets there and circulates widely) and then drop off -- and then next area will get it. I think that's how small pox travelled around. Not to imply the two diseases are the same - just that your area might avoid a small pox outbreak if no one brought it to your area. But when it did get there... it spread to who ever didn't have an immunity to it.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 13, 2020 18:38:59 GMT -5
How will we go? Do not go gentle into that good night,.
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. not with a bang, but a whimper.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 16, 2020 23:36:17 GMT -5
75k to 80k deaths in just 2 days? 80k to 85k in 4 days..... this is slowing down a bit...... 85k to 90k deaths in 3 days.
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Post by tbop77 on May 17, 2020 6:49:40 GMT -5
Have a big Trump rally, no one is stopping you! And make sure they are like your dad and not wearing a mask Quit blaming the DEMS and do it! Taking a page from his dad’s playbook, Eric Trump insisted in an interview Saturday that COVID-19 will “magically” disappear — after election day. He indicated that the coronavirus that has killed 312,000 people around the globe — including nearly 90,000 Americans — is a ploy cooked up by the Democrats to stop Donald Trump from rallying his supporters at campaign events. news.yahoo.com/eric-trump-covid-19-biden-disappear-052401046.html
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 17, 2020 7:41:10 GMT -5
Have a big Trump rally, no one is stopping you! And make sure they are like your dad and not wearing a mask Quit blaming the DEMS and do it! Taking a page from his dad’s playbook, Eric Trump insisted in an interview Saturday that COVID-19 will “magically” disappear — after election day. He indicated that the coronavirus that has killed 312,000 people around the globe — including nearly 90,000 Americans — is a ploy cooked up by the Democrats to stop Donald Trump from rallying his supporters at campaign events. news.yahoo.com/eric-trump-covid-19-biden-disappear-052401046.htmlWhich kid is supposed to be the smart one. From my perch, they don’t have half a brain all together
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 17, 2020 13:19:23 GMT -5
Have a big Trump rally, no one is stopping you! And make sure they are like your dad and not wearing a mask Quit blaming the DEMS and do it! Taking a page from his dad’s playbook, Eric Trump insisted in an interview Saturday that COVID-19 will “magically” disappear — after election day. He indicated that the coronavirus that has killed 312,000 people around the globe — including nearly 90,000 Americans — is a ploy cooked up by the Democrats to stop Donald Trump from rallying his supporters at campaign events. news.yahoo.com/eric-trump-covid-19-biden-disappear-052401046.htmlWhich kid is supposed to be the smart one. From my perch, they don’t have half a brain all together Probably Tiffany. She has managed to pretty much stay out of the fray.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 17, 2020 13:22:18 GMT -5
Which kid is supposed to be the smart one. From my perch, they don’t have half a brain all together Probably Tiffany. She has managed to pretty much stay out of the fray. Yes, that is the best way for this family. The old it is better to keep silent and thought a fool approach. The boys definitely remove all doibt
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Post by weltschmerz on May 17, 2020 13:31:00 GMT -5
80k to 85k in 4 days..... this is slowing down a bit...... 85k to 90k deaths in 3 days. Nonsense! There is no coronavirus. It's all a plot to bring down Trump.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 17, 2020 13:34:38 GMT -5
Probably Tiffany. She has managed to pretty much stay out of the fray. Yes, that is the best way for this family. The old it is better to keep silent and thought a fool approach. The boys definitely remove all doibt Ivanka has made some pretty foolish and tone deaf comments too. But I have noticed that recently she has been laying low. I also noticed she was wearing a mask.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 17, 2020 13:44:43 GMT -5
Yes, that is the best way for this family. The old it is better to keep silent and thought a fool approach. The boys definitely remove all doibt Ivanka has made some pretty foolish and tone deaf comments too. But I have noticed that recently she has been laying low. I also noticed she was wearing a mask. Ivanka is in a tough spot. She wants and needs daddy's approval. On the other hand, she really wants to be able to go back to her old life in Manhattan. Too much of being daddy's little girl makes the people she wants to be able to socialize with unhappy. So stuck in the middle. She will probably follow daddy's lead and move to Florida, as New Yorkers don't want her or Jared back
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 17, 2020 14:14:32 GMT -5
85k to 90k deaths in 3 days. Nonsense! There is no coronavirus. It's all a plot to bring down Trump. Let the rallies go forth. There is no trying to protect these people anyway. Best let them go to a rally rather than killing or assaulting innocent, minimumish wage workers.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 17, 2020 14:20:37 GMT -5
Nonsense! There is no coronavirus. It's all a plot to bring down Trump. Let the rallies go forth. There is no trying to protect these people anyway. Best let them go to a rally rather than killing or assaulting innocent, minimumish wage workers. Yes, let his drooling, knuckle-dragging base kill themselves. Unfortunately, they'll be the first ones at the hospitals, using up resources meant for people who DO believe in the virus.
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Post by thyme4change on May 17, 2020 15:40:25 GMT -5
Let the rallies go forth. There is no trying to protect these people anyway. Best let them go to a rally rather than killing or assaulting innocent, minimumish wage workers. Yes, let his drooling, knuckle-dragging base kill themselves. Unfortunately, they'll be the first ones at the hospitals, using up resources meant for people who DO believe in the virus. It is still true that statistically they won't die. But you can hope that they get sick enough to be miserable for a few weeks, but not quite sick enough to go to the hospital.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 17, 2020 17:20:13 GMT -5
I think NY was reporting a 1% death rate recently based on all their data? Not sure where I saw that.
so overall pretty low.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 3, 2020 10:03:13 GMT -5
They did an analysis of deaths in my state for April. If you take last April’s deaths, add death from covid to it, and compare to the actual number, we are about 500 short. So, we have approximately 500 more deaths to add to our numbers. We would be about 20% higher if we did that. Add 20% to our official death toll and we are almost 80,000. Anyone think we won’t hit 100k by summer? I say we hit it by July 4. NJ opened parks, beaches and boardwalks. Was remembering this mention of July 4th now that we are here.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 3, 2020 10:11:29 GMT -5
I say we hit it by July 4. NJ opened parks, beaches and boardwalks. Was remembering this mention of July 4th now that we are here. And it is 30% higher. 150k by the end oh July easy, could even be 175k, possibly 200h by Labor Day possibly 300k by the end of the year if we don’t get our collective act together. From an unknown disease to the third leading cause of death in a year. MAGA. We truly are exceptional. It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic. The economic damage from not controlling the pandemic will be equally dire
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Post by Tiny on Jul 3, 2020 13:08:11 GMT -5
I'm still pretty sure we will hit 100K dead before Memorial Day... Even if the numbers get obfuscated I suspect the death rate will stay somewhat steady in that 2K per day range. We did hit 100K dead by the end of May. We're at 132,000 (today 7/3/2020). I'm gonna guesstimate a steady 500 dead per day-- So, another 14,000 dead by July 31st. That's 146,000 deaths. 200,000 dead by election day isn't that far fetched. I'm so glad Covid19 turned out to be "just like the flu" which kills 30,000 to 60,000 per year in America. <-- sarcasm.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jul 3, 2020 13:37:36 GMT -5
I'm still pretty sure we will hit 100K dead before Memorial Day... Even if the numbers get obfuscated I suspect the death rate will stay somewhat steady in that 2K per day range. We did hit 100K dead by the end of May. We're at 132,000 (today 7/3/2020). I'm gonna guesstimate a steady 500 dead per day-- So, another 14,000 dead by July 31st. That's 146,000 deaths. 200,000 dead by election day isn't that far fetched. I'm so glad Covid19 turned out to be "just like the flu" which kills 30,000 to 60,000 per year in America. <-- sarcasm. It's important to remember that this is 130,000 in 4 months. So 520,000 in a year. There are no signs of the rate of people dying slowing down. And this also does not reflect how many people have been seriously ill and not died.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 3, 2020 13:42:32 GMT -5
We did hit 100K dead by the end of May. We're at 132,000 (today 7/3/2020). I'm gonna guesstimate a steady 500 dead per day-- So, another 14,000 dead by July 31st. That's 146,000 deaths. 200,000 dead by election day isn't that far fetched. I'm so glad Covid19 turned out to be "just like the flu" which kills 30,000 to 60,000 per year in America. <-- sarcasm. It's important to remember that this is 130,000 in 4 months. So 520,000 in a year. There are no signs of the rate of people dying slowing down. And this also does not reflect how many people have been seriously ill and not died. I think it will not hot that number. Improved care in these patients, and a younger average age of those infected will decrease the mortality seen earlier, I hope. If your number is correct, I can’t see how trump or a Republican senate survives the carnage
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Post by deminmaine on Jul 3, 2020 16:21:22 GMT -5
Was remembering this mention of July 4th now that we are here. And it is 30% higher. 150k by the end oh July easy, could even be 175k, possibly 200h by Labor Day possibly 300k by the end of the year if we don’t get our collective act together. From an unknown disease to the third leading cause of death in a year. MAGA. We truly are exceptional. It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic. The economic damage from not controlling the pandemic will be equally dire The economic impact is already bad to horrible for many sectors here- primarily the hospitality/ restaurant/ lodging industry. Many of them are now on the edge WITH federal bail out programs. If they stutter stop and open/ close again due to another cycle it will be catastrophic. The tourists are pouring in this weekend. Stay tuned.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 3, 2020 16:37:30 GMT -5
And it is 30% higher. 150k by the end oh July easy, could even be 175k, possibly 200h by Labor Day possibly 300k by the end of the year if we don’t get our collective act together. From an unknown disease to the third leading cause of death in a year. MAGA. We truly are exceptional. It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic. The economic damage from not controlling the pandemic will be equally dire The economic impact is already bad to horrible for many sectors here- primarily the hospitality/ restaurant/ lodging industry. Many of them are now on the edge WITH federal bail out programs. If they stutter stop and open/ close again due to another cycle it will be catastrophic. The tourists are pouring in this weekend. Stay tuned. Maine is fucked this year. You have been having us southern NE quarantine for 2 weeks. Who the hell has time for that. With things spiraling out of control elsewhere, it is only a matter of time before it comes back. And since we have no strategy to deal with this, off and on shutdowns are the only choice we have. Sorry. And McConnell said the states are on their own, no bailout coming to the rescue
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 3, 2020 16:37:49 GMT -5
And it is 30% higher. 150k by the end oh July easy, could even be 175k, possibly 200h by Labor Day possibly 300k by the end of the year if we don’t get our collective act together. From an unknown disease to the third leading cause of death in a year. MAGA. We truly are exceptional. It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic. The economic damage from not controlling the pandemic will be equally dire The economic impact is already bad to horrible for many sectors here- primarily the hospitality/ restaurant/ lodging industry. Many of them are now on the edge WITH federal bail out programs. If they stutter stop and open/ close again due to another cycle it will be catastrophic. The tourists are pouring in this weekend. Stay tuned. Maine is fucked this year. You have been having us southern NE quarantine for 2 weeks. Who the hell has time for that. With things spiraling out of control elsewhere, it is only a matter of time before it comes back. And since we have no strategy to deal with this, off and on shutdowns are the only choice we have. Sorry. And McConnell said the states are on their own, no bailout coming to the rescue
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 3, 2020 16:39:14 GMT -5
And it is 30% higher. 150k by the end oh July easy, could even be 175k, possibly 200h by Labor Day possibly 300k by the end of the year if we don’t get our collective act together. From an unknown disease to the third leading cause of death in a year. MAGA. We truly are exceptional. It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic. The economic damage from not controlling the pandemic will be equally dire The economic impact is already bad to horrible for many sectors here- primarily the hospitality/ restaurant/ lodging industry. Many of them are now on the edge WITH federal bail out programs. If they stutter stop and open/ close again due to another cycle it will be catastrophic. The tourists are pouring in this weekend. Stay tuned. Maine is fucked this year. You have been having us southern NE quarantine for 2 weeks. Who the hell has time for that. With things spiraling out of control elsewhere, it is only a matter of time before it comes back. And since we have no strategy to deal with this, off and on shutdowns are the only choice we have. Sorry. And McConnell said the states are on their own, no bailout coming to the rescue
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