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Post by irishpad on May 7, 2020 21:26:42 GMT -5
Has anyone looked at what has happened to deaths from heart attacks, strokes and pulmonary embolisms? With funky clotting being a side effect of this disease, I wonder how many cases are hidden there? This scares the heck out of me. 2 years ago I ended up in the hospital with pulmonary embolisms. On Eliquis now. Really didn't realize how serious it was at the time but obviously was not a minor aliment. |
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Post by kadee79 on May 7, 2020 22:20:03 GMT -5
from 60 to 65k dead in just two days  65 to over 75k dead in 6 days..... 76,928....05/07/20 |
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Post by mmhmm on May 8, 2020 11:25:18 GMT -5
Has anyone looked at what has happened to deaths from heart attacks, strokes and pulmonary embolisms? With funky clotting being a side effect of this disease, I wonder how many cases are hidden there? This scares the heck out of me. 2 years ago I ended up in the hospital with pulmonary embolisms. On Eliquis now. Really didn't realize how serious it was at the time but obviously was not a minor aliment. Ish! Glad you've got that tendency under control. Anything that messes with our ability to breathe efficiently ain't minor! |
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Post by hurley1980 on May 8, 2020 11:34:31 GMT -5
A little off topic, but how did China, who has so many people, manage to have so many few deaths? Was it isolation? Under reporting? Same with India. We are the 3rd largest country, but have the most deaths BY FAR!
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 8, 2020 11:39:08 GMT -5
A little off topic, but how did China, who has so many people, manage to have so many few deaths? Was it isolation? Under reporting? Same with India. We are the 3rd largest country, but have the most deaths BY FAR! They lied |
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Post by andi9899 on May 8, 2020 11:43:10 GMT -5
They actually dealt with it and locked everything down for a lot longer instead of calling it a hoax and insisting that people be allowed to do whatever they want. I can't remember which country, but one of them locked everything down for 10 weeks is my understanding with basically no exceptions. With an incompetent leader in the WH, we're all screwed and basically sitting ducks.
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2020 12:20:20 GMT -5
They actually dealt with it and locked everything down for a lot longer instead of calling it a hoax and insisting that people be allowed to do whatever they want. I can't remember which country, but one of them locked everything down for 10 weeks is my understanding with basically no exceptions. With an incompetent leader in the WH, we're all screwed and basically sitting ducks. I am not ready to put all the blame directly on Trump. Even if he had ordered the country locked down tight it wouldn't have happened. We have too many idiots running around this country. As proof positive, I offer the election of President Trump. |
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Post by NastyWoman on May 8, 2020 14:20:57 GMT -5
They actually dealt with it and locked everything down for a lot longer instead of calling it a hoax and insisting that people be allowed to do whatever they want. I can't remember which country, but one of them locked everything down for 10 weeks is my understanding with basically no exceptions. With an incompetent leader in the WH, we're all screwed and basically sitting ducks. I am not ready to put all the blame directly on Trump. Even if he had ordered the country locked down tight it wouldn't have happened. We have too many idiots running around this country. As proof positive, I offer the election of President Trump. Just because we wouldn't have achieved perfection anyway does not absolve trump of guilt in any way, shape, or at any level. A person who is elected to lead and does not do so when circumstances demand they do so, is derilict in his or her duty. |
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2020 14:31:59 GMT -5
I am not ready to put all the blame directly on Trump. Even if he had ordered the country locked down tight it wouldn't have happened. We have too many idiots running around this country. As proof positive, I offer the election of President Trump. Just because we wouldn't have achieved perfection anyway does not absolve trump of guilt in any way, shape, or at any level. A person who is elected to lead and does not do so when circumstances demand they do so, is derilict in his or her duty. Yeah, I get that Trump is guilty but that does not absolve others for their part. Merican's suck as followers. |
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 8, 2020 14:37:39 GMT -5
Just because we wouldn't have achieved perfection anyway does not absolve trump of guilt in any way, shape, or at any level. A person who is elected to lead and does not do so when circumstances demand they do so, is derilict in his or her duty. Yeah, I get that Trump is guilty but that does not absolve others for their part. Merican's suck as followers. Agree that we do not do a good job as followers. But, if eh set a good example, had a plan, and was consistent with his message, the situation would not be chaotic. But that has been his entire presidency. He only cares about his followers, no the entire country or its well-being. It is all about him |
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Post by billisonboard on May 8, 2020 14:50:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I get that Trump is guilty but that does not absolve others for their part. Merican's suck as followers. Agree that we do not do a good job as followers. But, if eh set a good example, had a plan, and was consistent with his message, the situation would not be chaotic. But that has been his entire presidency. He only cares about his followers, no the entire country or its well-being. It is all about him It is all him, for him and too many others. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 8, 2020 16:59:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I get that Trump is guilty but that does not absolve others for their part. Merican's suck as followers. Agree that we do not do a good job as followers. But, if eh set a good example, had a plan, and was consistent with his message, the situation would not be chaotic. But that has been his entire presidency. He only cares about his followers, no the entire country or its well-being. It is all about him imagine a situation where carriers showing symptoms were held criminally liable for not quarantining.
this is the sort of thing Trump could have done. yes, he has limited power. but he also has a bully pulpit. and he has also shown a propensity for using it. for all the wrong things, unfortunately.
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Post by justme on May 8, 2020 17:26:41 GMT -5
Just because we wouldn't have achieved perfection anyway does not absolve trump of guilt in any way, shape, or at any level. A person who is elected to lead and does not do so when circumstances demand they do so, is derilict in his or her duty. Yeah, I get that Trump is guilty but that does not absolve others for their part. Merican's suck as followers.I dunno....there's a huge chunk that are following all the conspiracy theories quite well... |
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Post by tbop77 on May 9, 2020 8:42:38 GMT -5
The almighty dollar is so important to this administration, they can't even let experts inform the American public how to deal with the pandemic. GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) — The decision to shelve detailed advice from the nation’s top disease control experts for reopening communities during the coronavirus pandemic came from the highest levels of the White House, according to internal government emails obtained by The Associated Press.
The files also show that after the AP reported Thursday that the guidance document had been buried, the Trump administration ordered key parts of it to be fast-tracked for approval.
The trove of emails show the nation's top public health experts at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention spending weeks working on guidance to help the country deal with a public health emergency, only to see their work quashed by political appointees with little explanation.www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ap-exclusive-docs-show-top-wh-officials-buried-cdc-report/ar-BB13Ow7B?ocid=spartanntp |
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Post by Gardening Grandma on May 9, 2020 9:16:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I get that Trump is guilty but that does not absolve others for their part. Merican's suck as followers. Agree that we do not do a good job as followers. But, if eh set a good example, had a plan, and was consistent with his message, the situation would not be chaotic. But that has been his entire presidency. He only cares about his followers, no the entire country or its well-being. It is all about him This. Gov Inslee has set a good example. He has been consistent. He cites the science behind his actions. As a whole, the state is benefitting. We’ve gone from being the epicenter to something like 17th place for cases/death. Perfect? Of course not, but fewer cases, fewer deaths, and now carefully and cautiously beginning to open up in phases. |
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 9, 2020 17:48:48 GMT -5
We've topped 75,000 deaths and it's only May 7th. Tragic!! Damn govt for waiting 70 days to take it seriously!! 75k to 80k deaths in just 2 days? |
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 9, 2020 17:54:19 GMT -5
We've topped 75,000 deaths and it's only May 7th. Tragic!! Damn govt for waiting 70 days to take it seriously!! 75k to 80k deaths in just 2 days? There will likely be at least 90k, just from what is in the pipeline. Deaths will continue for awhile, even if things improve, just because of how long people are sick and on ventilators |
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Post by laterbloomer on May 9, 2020 18:17:16 GMT -5
If you count December as the first month of this, we are only in month 5 of what has traditionally been a 2 year process. We haven't been killing the virus, we've just been hiding from it. I predict deaths will double at the very least. For all of us.
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Post by kadee79 on May 9, 2020 20:23:36 GMT -5
05/09/2020, 9:25 pm.....80,037....and counting.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2020 12:27:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I get that Trump is guilty but that does not absolve others for their part. Merican's suck as followers. Agree that we do not do a good job as followers. But, if eh set a good example, had a plan, and was consistent with his message, the situation would not be chaotic. But that has been his entire presidency. He only cares about his followers, no the entire country or its well-being. It is all about him it stands to reason that with 80%+ approval among the GOP faithful, Trump could have got some or most of them to cooperate.
and the rest of us are listening to science.
so, yeah. I think that this idea that Trump can't herd cats is bunkum. he could have.
he didn't.
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Post by billisonboard on May 10, 2020 12:37:42 GMT -5
Agree that we do not do a good job as followers. But, if eh set a good example, had a plan, and was consistent with his message, the situation would not be chaotic. But that has been his entire presidency. He only cares about his followers, no the entire country or its well-being. It is all about him it stands to reason that with 80%+ approval among the GOP faithful, Trump could have got some or most of them to cooperate.
and the rest of us are listening to science.
so, yeah. I think that this idea that Trump can't herd cats is bunkum. he could have.
he didn't.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2020 12:49:51 GMT -5
it stands to reason that with 80%+ approval among the GOP faithful, Trump could have got some or most of them to cooperate.
and the rest of us are listening to science.
so, yeah. I think that this idea that Trump can't herd cats is bunkum. he could have.
he didn't.
President Trump doesn't lead, he races to get and stay in front of the crowd. I was thinking precisely the same thing. |
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Post by billisonboard on May 10, 2020 12:57:55 GMT -5
President Trump doesn't lead, he races to get and stay in front of the crowd. I was thinking precisely the same thing. FWIW, I was using this to counter your calling my previous post "bunkum". |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2020 13:04:58 GMT -5
I was thinking precisely the same thing. FWIW, I was using this to counter your calling my previous post "bunkum". not very effective, considering that I agree.
he fails to lead, ergo he is responsible for that failure.
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Post by billisonboard on May 10, 2020 13:55:52 GMT -5
FWIW, I was using this to counter your calling my previous post "bunkum". not very effective, considering that I agree.
he fails to lead, ergo he is responsible for that failure.
Yeah, disagreeing with you is rarely "effective." |
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Post by thyme4change on May 10, 2020 15:10:28 GMT -5
it stands to reason that with 80%+ approval among the GOP faithful, Trump could have got some or most of them to cooperate.
and the rest of us are listening to science.
so, yeah. I think that this idea that Trump can't herd cats is bunkum. he could have.
he didn't.
President Trump doesn't lead, he races to get and stay in front of the crowd. I agree. He goes to where all the cats are congregating and then tells everyone he hearded them there. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2020 15:25:27 GMT -5
not very effective, considering that I agree.
he fails to lead, ergo he is responsible for that failure.
Yeah, disagreeing with you is rarely "effective." the same could be said for you, bills.
but I will say this in my defense- when I am wrong, I admit it. there are not many posters here that do. I am also willing to entertain arguments I disagree with (to a degree which has prompted IM's admonishing me, I might add), which is also more than most posters here do.
so, sure- go ahead and bag on me for agreeing with you, I guess? 
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2020 15:32:26 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on May 10, 2020 15:36:16 GMT -5
so, sure- go ahead and bag on me for agreeing with you, I guess? I guess we have a different definition of "bunkum" (reply #79) if to you it is a indication of agreement. |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 10, 2020 15:47:03 GMT -5
so, sure- go ahead and bag on me for agreeing with you, I guess? I guess we have a different definition of "bunkum" (reply #79) if to you it is a indication of agreement. I was agreeing with this:
President Trump doesn't lead, he races to get and stay in front of the crowd.
I am really not sure where we disagree right now, and I would be pleased to remain in that place of unknowing. are we good? because I would hate for bunkum to get in the way of agreement. 
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