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Post by Artemis Windsong on Apr 27, 2020 16:52:34 GMT -5
I pray this vaccine works and ends this virus quickly and easily. Amen
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Post by Spellbound454 on Apr 28, 2020 7:57:42 GMT -5
The Oxford vaccine is not for profit and should be cheap They already know that it is safe because a similar vaccine had human tests last year with lasting immunity....... Just a question to how effective it is. Lets hope it works.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 28, 2020 9:46:53 GMT -5
I think they should expand the test on every one of those protestors, and then make them volunteer at the hospitals, in Covid units, with zero PPE. They are all so sure this is nothing, so they should all jump at the opportunity.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Apr 28, 2020 10:46:39 GMT -5
Thats the problem...you can't give Covid19 to volunteers because you cant give them something that could potentially kill them. Some people will have the vaccine, others will have a control...... then they can see who gets the virus....and make an evaluation as to who would benefit most.
Another problem is that it needs to be tested where the virus is in circulation.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 28, 2020 13:30:38 GMT -5
I pray this vaccine works and ends this virus quickly and easily. Amen he won't let the eggheads win this one. he is going to keep touting miracle cures that only he knows about.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 28, 2020 13:31:30 GMT -5
The Oxford vaccine is not for profit and should be cheap They already know that it is safe because a similar vaccine had human tests last year with lasting immunity....... Just a question to how effective it is. Lets hope it works.
good. let the Brits monetize it, then. fuck US pharma.
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 18, 2020 6:18:21 GMT -5
Looks like the Oxford vaccine is only partially effective. It didn't stop the Rhesus Monkeys getting CV19....... what it did prevent, is severity of disease in the lungs. The Chinese Sinovac vaccine had better effects but it is on a simian vector (ape) whereas the Oxford vaccine is on a cold virus vector and is very safe. Still have to wait for the results of the human trials which are due in June. We are making 30 million doses of the Oxford vaccine ... and given that is cheap, safe.. and has some effect.... might not be a bad plan for now..... given that CV19 might be more manageable if it wasn't such a killer. Some drug trials are showing promise which could go with the plan....and it may buy us some time. We have to face the fact that there may not be a completely effective vaccine..... but like HIV that doesn't mean it can't be managed.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 18, 2020 7:15:54 GMT -5
It could end up similar to the flu shot. That is not intended to prevent you from getting the flu at all, it's to keep you from dying from it. The issue with that though is will there be people who treat the COVID shot like the flu shot? Will we be hearing about people claiming they got COVID from the shot? Will we have people saying there is no point since you can still get it? I had to get the flu shot every year if I wanted to continue to work at UNMC, but even if I hadn't been after reading a book about the 1918 flu I would have run not walked to get one. I'll gladly take a case of the flu that knocks me out for a week or two as opposed to one that causes me to to drown to death in my own bodily fluids while ripping my abdominal muscles apart coughing.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 18, 2020 8:09:00 GMT -5
It could end up similar to the flu shot. That is not intended to prevent you from getting the flu at all, it's to keep you from dying from it. The issue with that though is will there be people who treat the COVID shot like the flu shot? Will we be hearing about people claiming they got COVID from the shot? Will we have people saying there is no point since you can still get it? I had to get the flu shot every year if I wanted to continue to work at UNMC, but even if I hadn't been after reading a book about the 1918 flu I would have run not walked to get one. I'll gladly take a case of the flu that knocks me out for a week or two as opposed to one that causes me to to drown to death in my own bodily fluids while ripping my abdominal muscles apart coughing. The answer to all your questions is yes. People will be idiots, but by not taking the vaccine, they can kill their elderly relatives, as vaccines are typically less effective for the elderly, Reason why herd immunity is also important. This is a lesson for all those people who think we will have a vaccine in no time. Science rarely goes in a straight line.
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 18, 2020 9:19:11 GMT -5
Still it might be worth having something that will stop you getting viral pneumonia...and dying of it. Just have to wait and see what the human trials are like.
There has also been some fake news online saying that the fist person to have this vaccine has died.......... She hasn't she popped up to say she is fine. Not particularly helpful.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 18, 2020 9:25:53 GMT -5
A COVID shot is better than nothing. It's quite possible we might not get a vaccine for it, that happens. It may end up being we get a shot every year that contains COVID particles predicted to be the next big threat. Sometimes they will get it right, sometimes they won't. But as with the flu shot if you've been getting it every year you do have some immunity because you've likely been exposed to a similar enough strain that at least you won't croak. But try telling that to the swine flu anti-vaxxers.
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Post by andi9899 on May 18, 2020 10:18:48 GMT -5
Does this mean that since I get a flu shot every year that I'm less likely to contract COVID?
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 18, 2020 10:24:10 GMT -5
Does this mean that since I get a flu shot every year that I'm less likely to contract COVID? No, drama is saying that they could add the covid vaccine to the flu vaccine and get them all at once, 2 separate viruses. if the vaccine decreases the risk of serious disease or death, it is still worthwhile, even if it is not 100% effective. But, it means it will continue to circulate worldwide for who knows how long, maybe forever. We will have to learn to live with it
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 18, 2020 10:26:36 GMT -5
Does this mean that since I get a flu shot every year that I'm less likely to contract COVID? No, drama is saying that they could add the covid vaccine to the flu vaccine and get them all at once, 2 separate viruses. if the vaccine decreases the risk of serious disease or death, it is still worthwhile, even if it is not 100% effective. But, it means it will continue to circulate worldwide for who knows how long, maybe forever. We will have to learn to live with it I was actually saying that COVID is probably likely to end up similar to the flu shot. Given how much these viruses can mutate I am hard pressed to believe we'll get a vaccine. A shot seems far more likely. However if they could figure out how to combine the two that would be fantastic, especially if it ended up increasing the efficacy like pairing other vaccines together does. People tend to be more cooperative about getting one shot than two.
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Post by anciana on May 18, 2020 10:35:16 GMT -5
A COVID shot is better than nothing. It's quite possible we might not get a vaccine for it, that happens. It may end up being we get a shot every year that contains COVID particles predicted to be the next big threat. Sometimes they will get it right, sometimes they won't. But as with the flu shot if you've been getting it every year you do have some immunity because you've likely been exposed to a similar enough strain that at least you won't croak. But try telling that to the swine flu anti-vaxxers. My thoughts are along those lines as well. As much as it is known about CV, we might not be able to develop a vaccine. But something is better than nothing. If we can have something similar to flu shot, something that helps even if it doesn't protect 100%, along with as many possible treatment possibilities for all the various ways that CV affects human body, we might have a better chance against it.
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Post by thyme4change on May 18, 2020 10:54:31 GMT -5
It could end up similar to the flu shot. That is not intended to prevent you from getting the flu at all, it's to keep you from dying from it. It isn't to prevent the flu? News to me. I knew it wasn't 100% and people could still get a more mild manifestation of the flu, but that was always presented as rare to me. And I is smart. No wonder people can't understand all of this.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 18, 2020 11:07:15 GMT -5
The flu vaccine can prevent the flu in people who get a good response. In fact, in companies that give it to their employees, absenteeism goes down, so there is clearly some effect. But its major benefit is the prevention of severe disease
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 18, 2020 13:37:59 GMT -5
well yes.... there are many different strains of flu......... and the vaccine you get, is the best guess of what they think may be in circulation (for any particular year). You can still get flu..... if you get a strain that you haven't been vaccinated against. Covid19 is not a flu virus, its a corona virus...... (of which there are also many strains and most cause no real harm) Its changing slightly but not nearly as much as a flu virus.
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Post by swamp on May 18, 2020 14:00:30 GMT -5
Wait, the US isn't winning the vaccine race?
That must be fake news.
So much winning!
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 18, 2020 14:23:31 GMT -5
Wait, the US isn't winning the vaccine race? That must be fake news. So much winning! We are winning where it counts. isn't it best to be at the top of the list for infections and deaths?
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Post by swamp on May 18, 2020 14:25:37 GMT -5
Wait, the US isn't winning the vaccine race? That must be fake news. So much winning! We are winning where it counts. isn't it best to be at the top of the list for infections and deaths? So much winning, I'm sick of winning!! "Murica.
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Post by andi9899 on May 18, 2020 14:44:51 GMT -5
My sister reminded me this weekend that the rehab facility where we had our outbreak is located at 78th and Corona. I had totally forgotten about that fact. 🤯
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 18, 2020 20:10:33 GMT -5
The flu vaccine can prevent the flu in people who get a good response. In fact, in companies that give it to their employees, absenteeism goes down, so there is clearly some effect. But its major benefit is the prevention of severe disease I read this paper that came out around 1993 or so. The results were stark enough that this was the onset of employer provided flu shots. The paper was really interesting in that not only did it take into consideration the employee’s illness In costs of insurance and absenteeism, but the cost of the employee bringing the virus home to his/her family and needing to take care of them as well. The paper even included the costs of the OTC meds to alleviate symptoms and the patient OOP costs of getting the flu. I really wish that I had kept that paper. I went looking for it awhile ago and was unsuccessful.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 18, 2020 20:36:45 GMT -5
The flu vaccine can prevent the flu in people who get a good response. In fact, in companies that give it to their employees, absenteeism goes down, so there is clearly some effect. But its major benefit is the prevention of severe disease I read this paper that came out around 1993 or so. The results were stark enough that this was the onset of employer provided flu shots. The paper was really interesting in that not only did it take into consideration the employee’s illness In costs of insurance and absenteeism, but the cost of the employee bringing the virus home to his/her family and needing to take care of them as well. The paper even included the costs of the OTC meds to alleviate symptoms and the patient OOP costs of getting the flu. I really wish that I had kept that paper. I went looking for it awhile ago and was unsuccessful. Yes, companies can save quite a bit of money in both direct and indirect costs by providing free flu vaccine. Another interesting study. In japan, they used to vaccinate schoolchildren with good results in control. They changed to our approach and did older folks. Vaccinating children is more effective
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Post by weltschmerz on May 18, 2020 21:13:07 GMT -5
Oh my!! NEW CANADIAN STUDY SAYS MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT THE CORONAVIRUS According to a study being conducted at Canada’s University of Lethbridge, scientists are now theorizing that certain marijuana strains could possibly prevent COVID-19 infection. Researchers were able to identify 13 CBD extracts that are able to change ACE2 levels, an enzyme previously linked to COVID-19 infection. The data also suggested that some strains were also able to control serine protease TMPRSS2, which is another protein necessary for COVID-19 to enter host cells and spread throughout the body. thesource.com/2020/05/18/new-canadian-study-says-marijuana-may-prevent-the-coronavirus/ Smoke 'em if you got 'em, boys and girls!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 18, 2020 21:14:05 GMT -5
I read this paper that came out around 1993 or so. The results were stark enough that this was the onset of employer provided flu shots. The paper was really interesting in that not only did it take into consideration the employee’s illness In costs of insurance and absenteeism, but the cost of the employee bringing the virus home to his/her family and needing to take care of them as well. The paper even included the costs of the OTC meds to alleviate symptoms and the patient OOP costs of getting the flu. I really wish that I had kept that paper. I went looking for it awhile ago and was unsuccessful. Yes, companies can save quite a bit of money in both direct and indirect costs by providing free flu vaccine. Another interesting study. In japan, they used to vaccinate schoolchildren with good results in control. They changed to our approach and did older folks. Vaccinating children is more effective All I know is that I have gotten vaccinated since my university started providing free flu vaccines....I guess sometime around 1995. Every single one of my jobs I had to pass through a patient waiting room. It was like running the gauntlet, just to get to the bathroom! Last time I caught the flu was in college, never again. I had to give up my job working at the Olympics, I was so sick.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 20, 2020 16:16:12 GMT -5
Yeah, not over-reacting to that. Proof of a vaccine will lie with 2 factors
1 Can people be re-infected 2 Does a vaccine provide neutralizing antibodies, and are the effective in preventing disease.
Everything else is speculation, extrapolation, and white noise. I know everyone is anxious about this and looking for ways out. Science and Medicine are filled with great ideas that do not work, and mediocre ideas that turned out to be fantastic. Also filled with high tech interventions that aren't worth the money, and low tech interventions that are underused. Lots of grunt work of the sort the Walk was doing to figure all of this out. Science will figure it out. Still believe that at least some partial immunity is possible, either from infection or a hoped for vaccine. Again, science and medicine are capable of great things with time. We are in the first inning in this thing.
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Post by billisonboard on May 21, 2020 10:32:36 GMT -5
Oh my!! NEW CANADIAN STUDY SAYS MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT THE CORONAVIRUS According to a study being conducted at Canada’s University of Lethbridge, scientists are now theorizing that certain marijuana strains could possibly prevent COVID-19 infection. Researchers were able to identify 13 CBD extracts that are able to change ACE2 levels, an enzyme previously linked to COVID-19 infection. The data also suggested that some strains were also able to control serine protease TMPRSS2, which is another protein necessary for COVID-19 to enter host cells and spread throughout the body. thesource.com/2020/05/18/new-canadian-study-says-marijuana-may-prevent-the-coronavirus/ Smoke 'em if you got 'em, boys and girls! I Got Stoned and I Missed the Pandemic?
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