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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 10:29:19 GMT -5
CBS ran a story 2 days ago, that New York had approximately 11,000 cases of covid-19 before the first official one was recorded.
A look into unexplained infections and death.
I'm mobile, so I can't post the link.
With unrestricted travel/movement, it was too late for New York, before it was even known it was there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 10:38:20 GMT -5
Thanks again Tenn ! I'm not going shopping for a new Wi-Fi box at home till this is over. It's the tablet while in town, or nothing.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 25, 2020 10:41:23 GMT -5
They've found people in California that had it back in early February, knowing how long it incubates they had to have been exposed a month or more earlier. They are cases in the community with no history of international travel.
It's interesting to read about. This is data that needs to be gathered so we can know how far along we actually are and craft public policy. We could be ahead, we could be even further behind than we thought.
Especially with states like mine. I am not convinced that somehow Iowa and Nebraska escaped the worst of it so let's open. The coasts may be farther along than us but I have a feeling we have not peaked yet. But we're going ahead anyhow.
I'd like to be wrong and that even we are farther ahead than previously thought. I am not going ot be rushing out my door on May 4th to test the theory though, let other people be the guinea pigs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 10:45:50 GMT -5
Being in the higher risk group because of age, and a cancer survivor, I won't be rushing out anytime soon either.
4th of July ?
Maybe ?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 25, 2020 10:54:21 GMT -5
Almost like if we had an effective test we might have found this out earlier, don’t you think?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 25, 2020 11:44:10 GMT -5
Being in the higher risk group because of age, and a cancer survivor, I won't be rushing out anytime soon either. 4th of July ? Maybe ? We just saw a spike in Iowa with the meat packing plants which is why I am absolutely floored that Iowa is opening up again. I am not going to be going anywhere I don't absolutely have to in May. There has not been enough time to determine how many people those "known" cases have exposed. If things like daycare were opening it would be one thing because DH will eventually be called back to work. I also get opening dentist and vet offices and starting elective surgery back up. It's another when it is tattoo parlors, bowling alleys and salons. Salons I can see making an argument for but bowling alleys and tattoo parlors? How many of those are still around to the point where they support the state's economy? Don't get me wrong people need to work and prop up their businesses but I'd really like to see the logic laid out. The first place I'd likely go is the dentist. I figure that's not anymore danger than the supermarket, probably less so since the dentist wears PPE, mine went to full face shields before they had to shut down. This has highlighted the problems with my teeth and I want to be in the process of getting the underlying issue fixed (over crowding) in case we have to shut down again. It's going to be a lot longer than that before I do anything extracirrucular in public. I am 99.9% sure it won't happen but I am holding out the 0.1% hope we can vacation in August. I need something to look forward to right now even if it's not totally realistic.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 25, 2020 13:13:35 GMT -5
At work in SE TN last December we had a particularly nasty disease that made the rounds, leaving a bad cough that took 3 to 4 weeks to finally get rid of. Now some of us are wondering if that was cv19, mane a milder mutation of it. It will be interesting to see who has antibodies, if they ever start testing for that.
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Post by justme on Apr 25, 2020 13:34:07 GMT -5
I'm pretty convinced I had it end of February in Florida. I was diagnosed with the flu but tested negative twice on the rapid test. Since I didn't go to China nor know anyone who did covid was ruled out from the start. The curious part is I thought I got the flu from people at work but everyone that had the flu at work tested positive on the rapid test so I would think I would have too, plus they were sick over a week before I was and I think the flu has a shorter incubation time. I'm anxiously awaiting availability of antibody tests.
I've thought for a while it's been here longer than thought. The miracle of modern day air travel. I'm on another forum where a person visited China back in November and got ill with a cough and other things while she was there, her husband did not. It's possible the husband was asymptomatic and carried it back then.
It's a duh on the cities that got hit the worst first - the vast majority of international flights first stop in NYC, Seattle, LAX, and Miami gets a ton too. Add in higher density and thus more contact and voila.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 25, 2020 14:06:32 GMT -5
My BIL and neice got I'll in February after flying home from a family vacation in Florida. The symptoms fit, so they think they may have had it. Who knows? I read that many airline workers has tested positive. I mentioned before that I strongly suspected it was around significantly earlier than previously reported.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 25, 2020 14:15:41 GMT -5
At work in SE TN last December we had a particularly nasty disease that made the rounds, leaving a bad cough that took 3 to 4 weeks to finally get rid of. Now some of us are wondering if that was cv19, mane a milder mutation of it. It will be interesting to see who has antibodies, if they ever start testing for that. Any viral illness can cause a post- infectious cough that can last for 6 weeks. If it was around that long in TN, your infection rate should be much higher
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Being in the higher risk group because of age, and a cancer survivor, I won't be rushing out anytime soon either. 4th of July ? Maybe ? We just saw a spike in Iowa with the meat packing plants which is why I am absolutely floored that Iowa is opening up again. I am not going to be going anywhere I don't absolutely have to in May. There has not been enough time to determine how many people those "known" cases have exposed. If things like daycare were opening it would be one thing because DH will eventually be called back to work. I also get opening dentist and vet offices and starting elective surgery back up. It's another when it is tattoo parlors, bowling alleys and salons. Salons I can see making an argument for but bowling alleys and tattoo parlors? How many of those are still around to the point where they support the state's economy? Don't get me wrong people need to work and prop up their businesses but I'd really like to see the logic laid out. The first place I'd likely go is the dentist. I figure that's not anymore danger than the supermarket, probably less so since the dentist wears PPE, mine went to full face shields before they had to shut down. This has highlighted the problems with my teeth and I want to be in the process of getting the underlying issue fixed (over crowding) in case we have to shut down again. It's going to be a lot longer than that before I do anything extracirrucular in public. I am 99.9% sure it won't happen but I am holding out the 0.1% hope we can vacation in August. I need something to look forward to right now even if it's not totally realistic. I'm good on the dentist, but my DW really needs to get in to see ours. She needs a crown and the surrounding gum is infected from the bad tooth. Or dentists are still ordered closed, but at a certain point you really do need to see one So far he called in a script to our pharmacist for a fluid to dab on the surrounding gums twice a day. Seems to be helping as the pain/infection is much reduced. .
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We just saw a spike in Iowa with the meat packing plants which is why I am absolutely floored that Iowa is opening up again. I am not going to be going anywhere I don't absolutely have to in May. There has not been enough time to determine how many people those "known" cases have exposed. If things like daycare were opening it would be one thing because DH will eventually be called back to work. I also get opening dentist and vet offices and starting elective surgery back up. It's another when it is tattoo parlors, bowling alleys and salons. Salons I can see making an argument for but bowling alleys and tattoo parlors? How many of those are still around to the point where they support the state's economy? Don't get me wrong people need to work and prop up their businesses but I'd really like to see the logic laid out. The first place I'd likely go is the dentist. I figure that's not anymore danger than the supermarket, probably less so since the dentist wears PPE, mine went to full face shields before they had to shut down. This has highlighted the problems with my teeth and I want to be in the process of getting the underlying issue fixed (over crowding) in case we have to shut down again. It's going to be a lot longer than that before I do anything extracirrucular in public. I am 99.9% sure it won't happen but I am holding out the 0.1% hope we can vacation in August. I need something to look forward to right now even if it's not totally realistic. I'm good on the dentist, but my DW really needs to get in to see ours. She needs a crown and the surrounding gum is infected from the bad tooth. Or dentists are still ordered closed, but at a certain point you really do need to see one So far he called in a script to our pharmacist for a fluid to dab on the surrounding gums twice a day. Seems to be helping as the pain/infection is much reduced. . It appears Washington State would allow treatment if truly necessary. This order does not apply to patients with heart attacks, strokes or motor vehicle accidents. Hospitals and ambulatory surgery centers may perform surgery as long as a delay or cancellation would worsen the patient’s condition. For example, the prohibition would not apply to a patient who needs a serious cancerous tumor removed, or a patient who needs their dentist to relieve pain or manage an infection. link
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I'm good on the dentist, but my DW really needs to get in to see ours. She needs a crown and the surrounding gum is infected from the bad tooth. Or dentists are still ordered closed, but at a certain point you really do need to see one So far he called in a script to our pharmacist for a fluid to dab on the surrounding gums twice a day. Seems to be helping as the pain/infection is much reduced. . It appears Washington State would allow treatment if truly necessary. This order does not apply to patients with heart attacks, strokes or motor vehicle accidents. Hospitals and ambulatory surgery centers may perform surgery as long as a delay or cancellation would worsen the patient’s condition. For example, the prohibition would not apply to a patient who needs a serious cancerous tumor removed, or a patient who needs their dentist to relieve pain or manage an infection. link Yes. We are allowed to take care of patients who need it. Even if it is not truly emergent, but if treatment is delayed could lead to negative consequences. Patients are avoiding hospitals because of their fear, but there are necessary issues that need to be dealt with. For example, a dental abscess could be temporized with antibiotics, but definitive therapy is needed, as there is a risk of serious, life-threatening infections occurring if left alone
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Post by dondub on Apr 26, 2020 11:44:26 GMT -5
I'm good on the dentist, but my DW really needs to get in to see ours. She needs a crown and the surrounding gum is infected from the bad tooth. Or dentists are still ordered closed, but at a certain point you really do need to see one So far he called in a script to our pharmacist for a fluid to dab on the surrounding gums twice a day. Seems to be helping as the pain/infection is much reduced. . It appears Washington State would allow treatment if truly necessary. This order does not apply to patients with heart attacks, strokes or motor vehicle accidents. Hospitals and ambulatory surgery centers may perform surgery as long as a delay or cancellation would worsen the patient’s condition. For example, the prohibition would not apply to a patient who needs a serious cancerous tumor removed, or a patient who needs their dentist to relieve pain or manage an infection. link Yes, I was able to have a bicuspid yanked on Monday. The tooth was cracked and had already had a root canal. My dentist said he had worked about 6 hours in six weeks and had applied for UE.
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Post by Tiny on Apr 26, 2020 11:56:12 GMT -5
Almost like if we had an effective test we might have found this out earlier, don’t you think? And maybe if our government wasn't so proud and loud about stopping flights from China - they might have noticed that the testing done in Italy in February showed a dramatic increase of Covid19 and maybe we might have done something more rather than seemingly focusing solely on China. (kinda funny how other countries seemed to be so much better at testing MONTHS before we were.) www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.html
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Post by Tiny on Apr 26, 2020 12:05:16 GMT -5
They've found people in California that had it back in early February, knowing how long it incubates they had to have been exposed a month or more earlier. They are cases in the community with no history of international travel.It's interesting to read about. This is data that needs to be gathered so we can know how far along we actually are and craft public policy. We could be ahead, we could be even further behind than we thought. Especially with states like mine. I am not convinced that somehow Iowa and Nebraska escaped the worst of it so let's open. The coasts may be farther along than us but I have a feeling we have not peaked yet. But we're going ahead anyhow. I'd like to be wrong and that even we are farther ahead than previously thought. I am not going ot be rushing out my door on May 4th to test the theory though, let other people be the guinea pigs. That makes sense - since we've got alot of travel back and forth to the "Asia Pacific" area. I'm sure it was starting to circulate in January of 2020 here.. but because it was in the "community" of International Travelers (like high level business people and government type people and vacationing international travelers (older folks) ) it probably made the rounds of the their family/friends and social groups first before it got to the general public.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 26, 2020 14:38:16 GMT -5
It appears Washington State would allow treatment if truly necessary. This order does not apply to patients with heart attacks, strokes or motor vehicle accidents. Hospitals and ambulatory surgery centers may perform surgery as long as a delay or cancellation would worsen the patient’s condition. For example, the prohibition would not apply to a patient who needs a serious cancerous tumor removed, or a patient who needs their dentist to relieve pain or manage an infection. link Yes, I was able to have a bicuspid yanked on Monday. The tooth was cracked and had already had a root canal. My dentist said he had worked about 6 hours in six weeks and had applied for UE. And I had some work done in Florida as well. They are not doing routine dentistry but emergent care (or something that otherwise needs to be completed in a timely manner) is allowed. The poster's wife should be able to get in, but maybe that state is being overly rigid. My dentist here was in the office two days per week, though I don't know how many patients they saw during that time.
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I'm good on the dentist, but my DW really needs to get in to see ours. She needs a crown and the surrounding gum is infected from the bad tooth. Or dentists are still ordered closed, but at a certain point you really do need to see one So far he called in a script to our pharmacist for a fluid to dab on the surrounding gums twice a day. Seems to be helping as the pain/infection is much reduced. . It appears Washington State would allow treatment if truly necessary. This order does not apply to patients with heart attacks, strokes or motor vehicle accidents. Hospitals and ambulatory surgery centers may perform surgery as long as a delay or cancellation would worsen the patient’s condition. For example, the prohibition would not apply to a patient who needs a serious cancerous tumor removed, or a patient who needs their dentist to relieve pain or manage an infection. link She did get in to have it looked at, (when I said closed I should of said restricted from doing certain work) but he said it wasn't bad enough to require emergency care. The script did reduce the severity of the infection spread to the surrounding gum. His diagnosis was correct and she is in no pain and the gum is mostly clear as of two weeks later. Our dentist is currently scheduled to resume care on 5-19 and she should have no problem making it to that point.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 27, 2020 9:20:49 GMT -5
... I'm good on the dentist, but my DW really needs to get in to see ours. She needs a crown and the surrounding gum is infected from the bad tooth. Or dentists are still ordered closed, but at a certain point you really do need to see one So far he called in a script to our pharmacist for a fluid to dab on the surrounding gums twice a day. Seems to be helping as the pain/infection is much reduced. . She did get in to have it looked at, but he said it wasn't bad enough to require emergency care. The script did reduce the severity of the infection spread to the surrounding gum. His diagnosis was correct and she is in no pain and the gum is mostly clear as of two weeks later. Our dentist is currently scheduled to resume care on 5-19 and she should have no problem making it to that point. Glad that when she needed to get in to be seen she was able to get in to be seen.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 27, 2020 9:23:32 GMT -5
And maybe if our government wasn't so proud and loud about stopping flights from China - they might have noticed that the testing done in Italy in February showed a dramatic increase of Covid19 and maybe we might have done something more rather than seemingly focusing solely on China. (kinda funny how other countries seemed to be so much better at testing MONTHS before we were.) www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.html Hindsight is always 20/2 Except they had fair warning, and ran a simulation on this exact scenario in 2019. You continue with your fatalism, and people die because of incompetence
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Almost like if we had an effective test we might have found this out earlier, don’t you think? And maybe if our government wasn't so proud and loud about stopping flights from China - they might have noticed that the testing done in Italy in February showed a dramatic increase of Covid19 and maybe we might have done something more rather than seemingly focusing solely on China. (kinda funny how other countries seemed to be so much better at testing MONTHS before we were.) www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.html Hindsight is always 20/20 in regards to what 'should of been done'. As in the people that affect my political leanings would have had better prescience. I'm glad people are starting to note the connection to travel. I'm going to note that when this is all done, vaccines, # of cases, etc. Travel will return to 'normal', population density continue to increase, everything will be 'ok'.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 28, 2020 13:23:24 GMT -5
Almost like if we had an effective test we might have found this out earlier, don’t you think? maybe like the ones that the WHO offered us in......
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 28, 2020 14:27:59 GMT -5
And maybe if our government wasn't so proud and loud about stopping flights from China - they might have noticed that the testing done in Italy in February showed a dramatic increase of Covid19 and maybe we might have done something more rather than seemingly focusing solely on China. (kinda funny how other countries seemed to be so much better at testing MONTHS before we were.) www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.html Hindsight is always 20/20 in regards to what 'should of been done'. As in the people that affect my political leanings would have had better prescience. I'm glad people are starting to note the connection to travel. I'm going to note that when this is all done, vaccines, # of cases, etc. Travel will return to 'normal', population density continue to increase, everything will be 'ok'. Yet, the information was there and available to our government which did absolutely NOTHING with it. They did not even take sufficient action after Italy started to look like the plague had returned. Or have you already forgotten how all flights from mainland Europe were halted yet, Great Britain and Ireland were exempted from that ban even though they had as much of a problem as the other European countries? Now I may be a cynic but you can't convince me that the business interests of a certain person (think golf) had nothing to do with that exemption. The eye is always on the (money) ball with this one and people are dying because of it.
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Hindsight is always 20/20 in regards to what 'should of been done'. As in the people that affect my political leanings would have had better prescience. I'm glad people are starting to note the connection to travel. I'm going to note that when this is all done, vaccines, # of cases, etc. Travel will return to 'normal', population density continue to increase, everything will be 'ok'. Yet, the information was there and available to our government which did absolutely NOTHING with it. They did not even take sufficient action after Italy started to look like the plague had returned. Or have you already forgotten how all flights from mainland Europe were halted yet, Great Britain and Ireland were exempted from that ban even though they had as much of a problem as the other European countries? Now I may be a cynic but you can't convince me that the business interests of a certain person (think golf) had nothing to do with that exemption. The eye is always on the (money) ball with this one and people are dying because of it. You certainly post the one trick pony. Who would be your fall guy (girl) if we had different leaders ? Hindsight truly is 20/20. Aww, you think I'm trying to convince you of something. What do you think 'you've' already forgotten about that ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 10:54:38 GMT -5
You'll have to tell him, I don't have a direct connection to the White House. Let me know what he says. 1-202-456-1111
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You'll have to tell him, I don't have a direct connection to the White House. Let me know what he says. So, do YOU believe his response has been acceptable, and if so, why?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2020 10:59:50 GMT -5
You'll have to tell him, I don't have a direct connection to the White House. Let me know what he says. So, do YOU believe his response has been acceptable, and if so, why? I think that @x has already stated that he does not think the response was acceptable.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 29, 2020 11:02:25 GMT -5
So, do YOU believe his response has been acceptable, and if so, why? I think that @x has already stated that he does not think the response was acceptable.
Yet, despite all that he continues to support and defend him
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