States smuggle in PPE...

[Deleted]

May 4, 2020 7:38:20 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

May 4, 2020 1:38:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

government has a purpose, and this crisis is kindof it.

if our government fails us in this crisis, we should rise up and replace it.

Think we are beginning to see this, at least in areas where local govt levels are stepping up to fill the void.  And creating new regional coalitions to increase their collective buying power and decrease divisive competition: e.g., new northeast coalition of states.  Cuomo's daily press conference yesterday featured  (remote) appearances by all 7 state governors involved.

Why just the northeast states ? 

I live in a south central state, Arkansas, and we have rainy day funds for just this type of situation. 

With a population of under 3 million, we applied $30 million from the rainy day fund for ppe purchase, way back when this first started. 

Got the merchandise and distributed to the needed areas.

Don't these northeast states plan ahead. 

Doesn't take much in the way of smarts, to know that there was going to be a run on that type of supply situation. 

Dumb hillbillys in Arkansas can get it done. 

Our government is doing the job.

[pulmonarymd]

May 4, 2020 8:46:04 GMT -5 @x said:

May 4, 2020 7:38:20 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Think we are beginning to see this, at least in areas where local govt levels are stepping up to fill the void.  And creating new regional coalitions to increase their collective buying power and decrease divisive competition: e.g., new northeast coalition of states.  Cuomo's daily press conference yesterday featured  (remote) appearances by all 7 state governors involved.

Why just the northeast states ? 

I live in a south central state, Arkansas, and we have rainy day funds for just this type of situation. 

With a population of under 3 million, we applied $30 million from the rainy day fund for ppe purchase, way back when this first started. 

Got the merchandise and distributed to the needed areas.

Don't these northeast states plan ahead. 

Doesn't take much in the way of smarts, to know that there was going to be a run on that type of supply situation. 

Dumb hillbillys in Arkansas can get it done. 

Our government is doing the job.

Wrong again. The federal government has had the states have to bid against each other, and they bid too, driving up prices. Supply chains were disrupted as far back as February, as much as the material was made in China, specifically Wuhan. The plans were always for the Feds to be the backstop for this, as they were the most logical repository, instead of having 50 separate supply base. We wasted valuable time by not alerting the states as to the seriousness of the problem. If Trump did not think it was a big deal, why should they prepare. Finally, the burn rate was beyond what anybody envisioned for this material. Interview in yesterday's NYT business section with a Physician in charge at NY presbyterian-Columbia Medical Center. He stated they were using 10x the normal amount of mask to deal with this. How do you plan for that?

[weltschmerz]

May 4, 2020 8:46:04 GMT -5 @x said:

May 4, 2020 7:38:20 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Think we are beginning to see this, at least in areas where local govt levels are stepping up to fill the void.  And creating new regional coalitions to increase their collective buying power and decrease divisive competition: e.g., new northeast coalition of states.  Cuomo's daily press conference yesterday featured  (remote) appearances by all 7 state governors involved.

Why just the northeast states ? 

I live in a south central state, Arkansas, and we have rainy day funds for just this type of situation. 

With a population of under 3 million, we applied $30 million from the rainy day fund for ppe purchase, way back when this first started. 

Got the merchandise and distributed to the needed areas.

Don't these northeast states plan ahead. 

Doesn't take much in the way of smarts, to know that there was going to be a run on that type of supply situation. 

Dumb hillbillys in Arkansas can get it done. 

Our government is doing the job.

Lol! 
...and yet, you refuse to listen to the government when they want to enforce social-distancing orders.  You're a prepper who prides himself on self-reliance, then whines when you can't go the Olive Garden

[teen persuasion]

May 4, 2020 9:07:36 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

May 4, 2020 8:46:04 GMT -5 @x said:

Why just the northeast states ? 

I live in a south central state, Arkansas, and we have rainy day funds for just this type of situation. 

With a population of under 3 million, we applied $30 million from the rainy day fund for ppe purchase, way back when this first started. 

Got the merchandise and distributed to the needed areas.

Don't these northeast states plan ahead. 

Doesn't take much in the way of smarts, to know that there was going to be a run on that type of supply situation. 

Dumb hillbillys in Arkansas can get it done. 

Our government is doing the job.

Wrong again. The federal government has had the states have to bid against each other, and they bid too, driving up prices. Supply chains were disrupted as far back as February, as much as the material was made in China, specifically Wuhan. The plans were always for the Feds to be the backstop for this, as they were the most logical repository, instead of having 50 separate supply base. We wasted valuable time by not alerting the states as to the seriousness of the problem. If Trump did not think it was a big deal, why should they prepare. Finally, the burn rate was beyond what anybody envisioned for this material. Interview in yesterday's NYT business section with a Physician in charge at NY presbyterian-Columbia Medical Center. He stated they were using 10x the normal amount of mask to deal with this. How do you plan for that?

New York City has more people than 40 of the 50 U.S. states. New York City comprises over two-fifths of New York State's entire population.

That's *just* NYC, the epicenter of the outbreak. Doesn't even include the other hard hit downstate counties, like Westchester where the first cases were found. Certainly doesn't include any of Upstate.

The actual point of my original comment was that groups of states are beginning to band together, giving the larger group more power than individual states have. They have seen the need to form *new* coalitions, because our old coalition (the federal govt) has proven unresponsive, unreliable, and counterproductive.

Why the northeast? That's just one example. Someone on Twitter asked if their Midwestern state could join, and were informed there's a Midwestern coalition, too. This is the tipping point - individual states are turning away from looking to the federal government, and turning toward forming regional coalitions.

The new coalitions are formed for purchasing medical equipment right now, but I believe they will expand to new arenas as they prove useful.

[pulmonarymd]

May 4, 2020 12:41:59 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

May 4, 2020 9:07:36 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Wrong again. The federal government has had the states have to bid against each other, and they bid too, driving up prices. Supply chains were disrupted as far back as February, as much as the material was made in China, specifically Wuhan. The plans were always for the Feds to be the backstop for this, as they were the most logical repository, instead of having 50 separate supply base. We wasted valuable time by not alerting the states as to the seriousness of the problem. If Trump did not think it was a big deal, why should they prepare. Finally, the burn rate was beyond what anybody envisioned for this material. Interview in yesterday's NYT business section with a Physician in charge at NY presbyterian-Columbia Medical Center. He stated they were using 10x the normal amount of mask to deal with this. How do you plan for that?

New York City has more people than 40 of the 50 U.S. states. New York City comprises over two-fifths of New York State's entire population.

That's *just* NYC, the epicenter of the outbreak. Doesn't even include the other hard hit downstate counties, like Westchester where the first cases were found. Certainly doesn't include any of Upstate.

The actual point of my original comment was that groups of states are beginning to band together, giving the larger group more power than individual states have. They have seen the need to form *new* coalitions, because our old coalition (the federal govt) has proven unresponsive, unreliable, and counterproductive.

Why the northeast? That's just one example. Someone on Twitter asked if their Midwestern state could join, and were informed there's a Midwestern coalition, too. This is the tipping point - individual states are turning away from looking to the federal government, and turning toward forming regional coalitions.

The new coalitions are formed for purchasing medical equipment right now, but I believe they will expand to new arenas as they prove useful.

I agree 100%. If the federal government had taken the lead like the plans suggested, there would have been a more effective response. But JMA lives in a fantasy world where it isn't trumps fault. I guess the response when a tornado or hurricane stikes a red state should be, "they happen every year, why weren't you better prepared. You are on your own now, bye"

[NastyWoman]

May 4, 2020 12:47:28 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

May 4, 2020 12:41:59 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

New York City has more people than 40 of the 50 U.S. states. New York City comprises over two-fifths of New York State's entire population.

That's *just* NYC, the epicenter of the outbreak. Doesn't even include the other hard hit downstate counties, like Westchester where the first cases were found. Certainly doesn't include any of Upstate.

The actual point of my original comment was that groups of states are beginning to band together, giving the larger group more power than individual states have. They have seen the need to form *new* coalitions, because our old coalition (the federal govt) has proven unresponsive, unreliable, and counterproductive.

Why the northeast? That's just one example. Someone on Twitter asked if their Midwestern state could join, and were informed there's a Midwestern coalition, too. This is the tipping point - individual states are turning away from looking to the federal government, and turning toward forming regional coalitions.

The new coalitions are formed for purchasing medical equipment right now, but I believe they will expand to new arenas as they prove useful.

I agree 100%. If the federal government had taken the lead like the plans suggested, there would have been a more effective response. But JMA lives in a fantasy world where it isn't trumps fault. I guess the response when a tornado or hurricane stikes a red state should be, "they happen every year, why weren't you better prepared. You are on your own now, bye"

Well that is in effect exactly what trump, the great humanitarian, told Puerto Rico blithely bypassing the fact that Puerto Ricans are US citizens...

[pulmonarymd]

May 4, 2020 16:04:54 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

May 4, 2020 12:47:28 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I agree 100%. If the federal government had taken the lead like the plans suggested, there would have been a more effective response. But JMA lives in a fantasy world where it isn't trumps fault. I guess the response when a tornado or hurricane stikes a red state should be, "they happen every year, why weren't you better prepared. You are on your own now, bye"

Well that is in effect exactly what trump, the great humanitarian, told Puerto Rico blithely bypassing the fact that Puerto Ricans are US citizens...

Given we are telling states to file for bankrupcy, that is what I expect we will say this summer, since there won't be any money anyway. Those natural disasters happen every year, better prepare for them, since we can't find a way to help people in a once in a century catastrophe.

[Deleted]

May 4, 2020 12:41:59 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

May 4, 2020 9:07:36 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Wrong again. The federal government has had the states have to bid against each other, and they bid too, driving up prices. Supply chains were disrupted as far back as February, as much as the material was made in China, specifically Wuhan. The plans were always for the Feds to be the backstop for this, as they were the most logical repository, instead of having 50 separate supply base. We wasted valuable time by not alerting the states as to the seriousness of the problem. If Trump did not think it was a big deal, why should they prepare. Finally, the burn rate was beyond what anybody envisioned for this material. Interview in yesterday's NYT business section with a Physician in charge at NY presbyterian-Columbia Medical Center. He stated they were using 10x the normal amount of mask to deal with this. How do you plan for that?

New York City has more people than 40 of the 50 U.S. states. New York City comprises over two-fifths of New York State's entire population.

That's *just* NYC, the epicenter of the outbreak. Doesn't even include the other hard hit downstate counties, like Westchester where the first cases were found. Certainly doesn't include any of Upstate.

The actual point of my original comment was that groups of states are beginning to band together, giving the larger group more power than individual states have. They have seen the need to form *new* coalitions, because our old coalition (the federal govt) has proven unresponsive, unreliable, and counterproductive.

Why the northeast? That's just one example. Someone on Twitter asked if their Midwestern state could join, and were informed there's a Midwestern coalition, too. This is the tipping point - individual states are turning away from looking to the federal government, and turning toward forming regional coalitions.

The new coalitions are formed for purchasing medical equipment right now, but I believe they will expand to new arenas as they prove useful.

A coalition of states working together. 

That's a good concept. 

Imagine what could be done if you had a country compromised of 50 states working together ? 

Instead of half red ones and half blue ones. 

I remember a country like that years ago, when the good of all was not put aside for political gain. 

Now it's my way or the highway, in a partisan divide kind of way. 

It comes from both sides.

You know, you see it every day, the name calling, advancing of premises without all the information. 

The simple 'my ideal is the right one' or your stupid etc. 

It's all big fun to blame others for the responses back back in early February when it started, but I was there, and Trump was taking the same stance as the WHO at the time. 

How soon it's forgotten, the complaints about executive overreach. 



Hindsight is always 20/20, and that's an illogical approach. 

So is misinformation.

That misinformation makes for a great ' look at me' in a juvenile ego type of way on a forum, but it doesn't relate to reality. 

Not referring to you, but you know type. 


Arkansas has recently added another 45 million in addition to the original 30 million and is receiving adequate supplies of ppe, per an April 3 report by MSN and a May 2 report by KNWA and KFTA in Arkansas. 

Rainy day type funds should be in place for all states, not just Arkansas. 

It's called planning ahead or self responsibility. 

The difference between a state looking for a handout because of belief in a nanny Federal government, and those who can take care of themselves and still be part of the union.

[pulmonarymd]

May 6, 2020 9:42:56 GMT -5 @x said:

May 4, 2020 12:41:59 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

New York City has more people than 40 of the 50 U.S. states. New York City comprises over two-fifths of New York State's entire population.

That's *just* NYC, the epicenter of the outbreak. Doesn't even include the other hard hit downstate counties, like Westchester where the first cases were found. Certainly doesn't include any of Upstate.

The actual point of my original comment was that groups of states are beginning to band together, giving the larger group more power than individual states have. They have seen the need to form *new* coalitions, because our old coalition (the federal govt) has proven unresponsive, unreliable, and counterproductive.

Why the northeast? That's just one example. Someone on Twitter asked if their Midwestern state could join, and were informed there's a Midwestern coalition, too. This is the tipping point - individual states are turning away from looking to the federal government, and turning toward forming regional coalitions.

The new coalitions are formed for purchasing medical equipment right now, but I believe they will expand to new arenas as they prove useful.

A coalition of states working together. 

That's a good concept. 

Imagine what could be done if you had a country compromised of 50 states working together ? 

Instead of half red ones and half blue ones. 

I remember a country like that years ago, when the good of all was not put aside for political gain. 

Now it's my way or the highway, in a partisan divide kind of way. 

It comes from both sides.

You know, you see it every day, the name calling, advancing of premises without all the information. 

The simple 'my ideal is the right one' or your stupid etc. 

It's all big fun to blame others for the responses back back in early February when it started, but I was there, and Trump was taking the same stance as the WHO at the time. 

How soon it's forgotten, the complaints about executive overreach. 



Hindsight is always 20/20, and that's an illogical approach. 

So is misinformation.

That misinformation makes for a great ' look at me' in a juvenile ego type of way on a forum, but it doesn't relate to reality. 

Not referring to you, but you know type. 


Arkansas has recently added another 45 million in addition to the original 30 million and is receiving adequate supplies of ppe, per an April 3 report by MSN and a May 2 report by KNWA and KFTA in Arkansas. 

Rainy day type funds should be in place for all states, not just Arkansas. 

It's called planning ahead or self responsibility. 

The difference between a state looking for a handout because of belief in a nanny Federal government, and those who can take care of themselves and still be part of the union.

Yet what is the projected budget deficit in Arkansas. And again, the government ran a simulation in 2019 on this scenario. Did they have any plans to put what was learned into place? There is a large difference between calling it a hoax and what the WHO did

[djAdvocate]

May 6, 2020 9:42:56 GMT -5 @x said:

May 4, 2020 12:41:59 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

New York City has more people than 40 of the 50 U.S. states. New York City comprises over two-fifths of New York State's entire population.

That's *just* NYC, the epicenter of the outbreak. Doesn't even include the other hard hit downstate counties, like Westchester where the first cases were found. Certainly doesn't include any of Upstate.

The actual point of my original comment was that groups of states are beginning to band together, giving the larger group more power than individual states have. They have seen the need to form *new* coalitions, because our old coalition (the federal govt) has proven unresponsive, unreliable, and counterproductive.

Why the northeast? That's just one example. Someone on Twitter asked if their Midwestern state could join, and were informed there's a Midwestern coalition, too. This is the tipping point - individual states are turning away from looking to the federal government, and turning toward forming regional coalitions.

The new coalitions are formed for purchasing medical equipment right now, but I believe they will expand to new arenas as they prove useful.

A coalition of states working together. 

That's a good concept. 

Imagine what could be done if you had a country compromised of 50 states working together ? 

aka "a federal response"

yeah.

imagine that.

[NastyWoman]

May 6, 2020 18:17:57 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 6, 2020 9:42:56 GMT -5 @x said:

A coalition of states working together. 

That's a good concept. 

Imagine what could be done if you had a country compromised of 50 states working together ? 

aka "a federal response"

yeah.

imagine that.

A federal response would require a leader, but instead of a leader we have a tweeter!

[tallguy]

May 6, 2020 18:32:52 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

May 6, 2020 18:17:57 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

aka "a federal response"

yeah.

imagine that.

A federal response would require a leader, but instead of a leader we have a tweeter!

Tweeter, Tweeter pumpkin-eater
Had a country, couldn't keep her
Didn't know he was just a shell
And everything just went to hell

[dezii]

May 4, 2020 8:46:04 GMT -5 @x said:

May 4, 2020 7:38:20 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Think we are beginning to see this, at least in areas where local govt levels are stepping up to fill the void.  And creating new regional coalitions to increase their collective buying power and decrease divisive competition: e.g., new northeast coalition of states.  Cuomo's daily press conference yesterday featured  (remote) appearances by all 7 state governors involved.

Why just the northeast states ? 

I live in a south central state, Arkansas, and we have rainy day funds for just this type of situation. 

With a population of under 3 million, we applied $30 million from the rainy day fund for ppe purchase, way back when this first started. 

Got the merchandise and distributed to the needed areas.

Don't these northeast states plan ahead. 

Doesn't take much in the way of smarts, to know that there was going to be a run on that type of supply situation. 

Dumb hillbillys in Arkansas can get it done. 

Our government is doing the job.

I know that Connecticut has a substantial "rainy day fund" that they have been tapping it...

One of the points that Gov Cuomo has pointed out...Trump supporters politicians who have been supporting Trump not wanting federal gov't to bail out States..especially States with Democratic Governors...Like Trump leaning States like say Kentucky and Florida...those States take in hugh amounts of Federal Aid over what they send to the Federal unlike New York and say California who send millions more to the Fed then they take back...Just saying

[Deleted]

May 6, 2020 18:17:57 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 6, 2020 9:42:56 GMT -5 @x said:

A coalition of states working together. 

That's a good concept. 

Imagine what could be done if you had a country compromised of 50 states working together ? 

aka "a federal response"

yeah.

imagine that.

Now all we need to do is understand that the Federal government is not the same as a state government. 

As in they're seperate. 

With separate restrictions/abilities.

For some reason I expected more from you DJ. 

My whole posts carry the idea, not three lines taken out of context.

Not used to you fishing for likes from the lower tier. 

Carry on. 

[Deleted]

May 6, 2020 20:58:19 GMT -5 dezii said:

May 4, 2020 8:46:04 GMT -5 @x said:

Why just the northeast states ? 

I live in a south central state, Arkansas, and we have rainy day funds for just this type of situation. 

With a population of under 3 million, we applied $30 million from the rainy day fund for ppe purchase, way back when this first started. 

Got the merchandise and distributed to the needed areas.

Don't these northeast states plan ahead. 

Doesn't take much in the way of smarts, to know that there was going to be a run on that type of supply situation. 

Dumb hillbillys in Arkansas can get it done. 

Our government is doing the job.

I know that Connecticut has a substantial "rainy day fund" that they have been tapping it...

One of the points that Gov Cuomo has pointed out...Trump supporters politicians who have been supporting Trump not wanting federal gov't to bail out States..especially States with Democratic Governors...Like Trump leaning States like say Kentucky and Florida...those States take in hugh amounts of Federal Aid over what they send to the Federal unlike New York and say California who send millions more to the Fed then they take back...Just saying

I haven't seen my state crying/forming coalitions for lack of foresight, as was my point.

You might want to look into the write offs on Federal income tax, and tax paid in regards to states that have much higher property taxes and other local taxes. 

Then see how much they're actually getting back. 

Since you want to add this to the subject.

Just saying that because that part of your post is sounding ill informed.

That partisan narrative, born of ignorance is,   



Good to see your state was prepared also ! 


I was just reading yesterday that our non-profit electric co-ops had a pandemic plan already in place for years. 

So did the wholesale electric supplier for 17 co-ops in the state.

They switched to its operating parameters back in February with no fanfare. 

I've seen a little article about it in a magazine just yesterday.

[kadee79]

Wow, our electric co-ops are owned by the members, not the state....didn't know it was different in other states.

[Opti]

May 7, 2020 9:50:45 GMT -5 @x said:

May 6, 2020 20:58:19 GMT -5 dezii said:

I know that Connecticut has a substantial "rainy day fund" that they have been tapping it...

One of the points that Gov Cuomo has pointed out...Trump supporters politicians who have been supporting Trump not wanting federal gov't to bail out States..especially States with Democratic Governors...Like Trump leaning States like say Kentucky and Florida...those States take in hugh amounts of Federal Aid over what they send to the Federal unlike New York and say California who send millions more to the Fed then they take back...Just saying

I haven't seen my state crying/forming coalitions for lack of foresight, as was my point.

You might want to look into the write offs on Federal income tax, and tax paid in regards to states that have much higher property taxes and other local taxes. 

Then see how much they're actually getting back. 

Since you want to add this to the subject.

Just saying that because that part of your post is sounding ill informed.

That partisan narrative, born of ignorance is,   




Good to see your state was prepared also ! 

I was just reading yesterday that our non-profit electric co-ops had a pandemic plan already in place for years. 

So did the wholesale electric supplier for 17 co-ops in the state.

They switched to its operating parameters back in February with no fanfare. 

I've seen a little article about it in a magazine just yesterday.

Still your state is in a good position because they are a net taker of federal money  versus net givers like New York and New Jersey.
Heck yeah you should be prepared when you receive $35 billion a year with a small population and lower then average population density.
247wallst.com/special-report/2019/03/14/states-getting-the-most-and-least-from-uncle-sam/4/

[Opti]

Unfortunately this is kind of a weak slide show as it only shows net received from the federal govt, not the received minus paid calculations I was looking for.


Here's the URL of the above that contains NY and NJ. Levels are half or less of Arkansas per capita.

247wallst.com/special-report/2019/03/14/states-getting-the-most-and-least-from-uncle-sam/11/ 



Arkansas population density 51.3 people per sq mile, New York state 421 per sq mile

[Deleted]

May 7, 2020 13:40:18 GMT -5 Opti said:

May 7, 2020 9:50:45 GMT -5 @x said:

I haven't seen my state crying/forming coalitions for lack of foresight, as was my point.

You might want to look into the write offs on Federal income tax, and tax paid in regards to states that have much higher property taxes and other local taxes. 

Then see how much they're actually getting back. 

Since you want to add this to the subject.

Just saying that because that part of your post is sounding ill informed.

That partisan narrative, born of ignorance is,   




Good to see your state was prepared also ! 

I was just reading yesterday that our non-profit electric co-ops had a pandemic plan already in place for years. 

So did the wholesale electric supplier for 17 co-ops in the state.

They switched to its operating parameters back in February with no fanfare. 

I've seen a little article about it in a magazine just yesterday.

Still your state is in a good position because they are a net taker of federal money  versus net givers like New York and New Jersey.
Heck yeah you should be prepared when you receive $35 billion a year with a small population and lower then average population density.
247wallst.com/special-report/2019/03/14/states-getting-the-most-and-least-from-uncle-sam/4/

Agreed.

Being 3rd lowest on income, etc. 

This amount federal assistance would have to be directly a result of programs aimed at the lower incomes. 

Couple that with very low local/property tax etc, that limits write offs on the federal income tax, the difference between the in/out of federal money per citizen will be higher. 

The acceptance rates into these programs are higher in Arkansas because of the limits placed on them by income. 

That's the conundrum with federal assistance, it covers the whole country. 

You take it away, all the needy suffer, even those states with higher average incomes. 

What is your answer ? 

I don't have one other than reducing assistance to the hard minimum on a gradual basis of need.

[Deleted]

May 7, 2020 13:46:25 GMT -5 Opti said:

Unfortunately this is kind of a weak slide show as it only shows net received from the federal govt, not the received minus paid calculations I was looking for.


Here's the URL of the above that contains NY and NJ. Levels are half or less of Arkansas per capita.

247wallst.com/special-report/2019/03/14/states-getting-the-most-and-least-from-uncle-sam/11/ 



Arkansas population density 51.3 people per sq mile, New York state 421 per sq mile

Even at net, it shows that programs based on incomes isn't the best way to go. 

It should be more based on expenditures required to attain a certain living standard in the state it's sent to.

Just gas prices alone show it the easiest, in regards to property tax and incomes of the employees working at the stations.

I know a few people who own gas stations in Illinois and Arkansas. 

A larger 12/16 pump station with convenient store in by me small town Arkansas, will pay around $2,500 a year in property tax. 

In Illinios, it will be $20,000 to $30,000 and up as you get near Chicago. 

This is reflected in the gas price. 

I paid $.94 last week 

The micro economy differences aren't accounted for when program qualification limits are set in DC. 

It's the reason I don't use this assistance level as an argument, even when I didn't live in Arkansas and resided in Illinios.

[Deleted]

This $1,200 covid handout is an excellent example. 

That $1,200 will go a lot farther in Arkansas, than in a higher cost state like Illinois. 

The difference of a couple months over a couple weeks. 


We're really derailing this thread and should stick with ppe purchasing, covid etc.    

[Deleted]

May 7, 2020 13:11:51 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Wow, our electric co-ops are owned by the members, not the state....didn't know it was different in other states.

Ours are owned by the members also. 

We get a refund every year when the tariff taken in exceeds operating costs. 

I don't know what I said to give you the impression that it was state owned.


Maybe adding another space between the congratulatory sentence to Desi, on his state being prepared also ? 

Consider it done in reply #44.