Opening up the country, Trump or Governors?

[lynnerself]

Trump claims he, not governors, has authority on opening state economies

thehill.com/homenews/administration/492503-trump-claims-he-not-governors-has-authority-on-opening-state

"President Trump on Monday claimed that he, not state governors, has the ultimate authority to loosen restrictions on states as the coronavirus outbreak eases, an assertion disputed by legal experts.

“For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect,” Trump tweeted Monday morning.

“It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons. With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue,” Trump continued. “A decision by me, in conjunction with the Governors and input from others, will be made shortly!”"

"However, legal experts who spoke to The Hill said that, while Trump can issue federal regulations to prevent the spread of diseases, he does not have the authority to reverse a public health restriction put in place at the state or local level."

I've been wondering for a long time how he could make a decision to open the country when he never was the one to close it.

[djAdvocate]

I don't think he has that authority under emergency provisions.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

This is certainly becoming an intense debate between federal vs state rights.  If Trump claimed he had no authority to order states to shut down I cannot see why he would then have the authority to demand they reopen on his time table.

Interesting how executive power works in his mind.

[kadee79]

Article 10 of the Constitution....unless SCOTUS again doesn't follow the Constitution!

[dondub]

OMG! Possible massive big government overreach. Will the hypocrites be able to handle it?

[billisonboard]

“It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons ..."

I am sorry Mr. President, but there is only one reason for it to be the decision of the President. That reason is it is a power given to that office by the Constitution of the United States.

[Gardening Grandma]

WA, OR & CA have announced a "Western Pact" regarding when and how to reopen... trump ceded his leadership to the governors.  And they stepped up.

The governors of Washington, California and Oregon announced Monday they’ll work together to re-open their economies while continuing to control the spread of COVID-19.

In a statement, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee announced the partnership with California Gov. Gavin Newsom and Oregon Gov. Kate Brown. While each state is building a state-specific plan, the three states have agreed to a framework that focuses on them working together, putting their residents’ health first, and science guide decisions.
q13fox.com/2020/04/13/washington-oregon-california-announce-coronavirus-pact/

[Bob Ross]

When he tries to do it and many (most) don't comply, who will he blame?

A) The Deep State
B) The Fake News
C) Obama
D) The Leftist Liberal Democrats, including Sleepy Joe, Crazy Nancy, and Shifty Schiff
E) All of The Above

[billisonboard]

Apr 13, 2020 15:55:27 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

When he tries to do it and many (most) don't comply, who will he blame?

A) The Deep State
B) The Fake News
C) Obama
D) The Leftist Liberal Democrats, including Sleepy Joe, Crazy Nancy, and Shifty Schiff
E) All of The Above

I wonder if he will risk doing something that would allow for direct defiance.

[justme]

Apr 13, 2020 15:08:29 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

This is certainly becoming an intense debate between federal vs state rights.  If Trump claimed he had no authority to order states to shut down I cannot see why he would then have the authority to demand they reopen on his time table.

Interesting how executive power works in his mind.

That's what I don't get. He was going on forever that he couldn't do a national stay at home order - and in fact never did. So how can he override state orders made during state declared emergencies. It does not compute. 

[dondub]

Apr 13, 2020 15:55:27 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

When he tries to do it and many (most) don't comply, who will he blame?

A) The Deep State
B) The Fake News
C) Obama
D) The Leftist Liberal Democrats, including Sleepy Joe, Crazy Nancy, and Shifty Schiff
E) All of The Above

Not leftist liberal dems... he usually calls them the far left radical dems. Shows what little he really knows. I don’t think there is one member of the communist workers party voting for corporate, lobbyist paid Demos.

[Value Buy]

Nope Congress wants to set the opening.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senior-dems-call-for-national-plan-to-reopen-us/ar-BB12zOzS?li=BBnb7Kz

[djAdvocate]

Apr 13, 2020 16:14:24 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 13, 2020 15:55:27 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

When he tries to do it and many (most) don't comply, who will he blame?

A) The Deep State
B) The Fake News
C) Obama
D) The Leftist Liberal Democrats, including Sleepy Joe, Crazy Nancy, and Shifty Schiff
E) All of The Above

I wonder if he will risk doing something that would allow for direct defiance.

that would be fun to watch. he didn't take the risks in the first place, so he has no ground to stand on, now.

[thyme4change]

Apr 13, 2020 16:14:24 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 13, 2020 15:55:27 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

When he tries to do it and many (most) don't comply, who will he blame?

A) The Deep State
B) The Fake News
C) Obama
D) The Leftist Liberal Democrats, including Sleepy Joe, Crazy Nancy, and Shifty Schiff
E) All of The Above

I wonder if he will risk doing something that would allow for direct defiance.

Excellent point

[Gardening Grandma]

Apr 13, 2020 16:17:19 GMT -5 justme said:

Apr 13, 2020 15:08:29 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

This is certainly becoming an intense debate between federal vs state rights.  If Trump claimed he had no authority to order states to shut down I cannot see why he would then have the authority to demand they reopen on his time table.

Interesting how executive power works in his mind.

That's what I don't get. He was going on forever that he couldn't do a national stay at home order - and in fact never did. So how can he override state orders made during state declared emergencies. It does not compute. 

This bumbling administration does not compute. And they ignore those who do.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

When is someone going to explain the job to trump? Enroll him in American Government 101 and The Constitution 101. 

[thyme4change]

Apr 13, 2020 19:03:18 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

When is someone going to explain the job to trump? Enroll him in American Government 101 and The Constitution 101. 

Bahahahaha. You say that as if he would listen and learn.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 13, 2020 19:03:18 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

When is someone going to explain the job to trump? Enroll him in American Government 101 and The Constitution 101. 

[andi9899]

Apr 13, 2020 15:55:27 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

When he tries to do it and many (most) don't comply, who will he blame?

A) The Deep State
B) The Fake News
C) Obama
D) The Leftist Liberal Democrats, including Sleepy Joe, Crazy Nancy, and Shifty Schiff
E) All of The Above

Yes.

[andi9899]

Apr 13, 2020 17:08:49 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nope Congress wants to set the opening.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senior-dems-call-for-national-plan-to-reopen-us/ar-BB12zOzS?li=BBnb7Kz

Do you ever bother to read the articles you post?

[jelloshots4all]

Apr 13, 2020 19:03:18 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

When is someone going to explain the job to trump? Enroll him in American Government 101 and The Constitution 101. 

Hopefully never and he will be gone in Nov!!!

[andi9899]

Apr 13, 2020 18:34:48 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Apr 13, 2020 16:17:19 GMT -5 justme said:

That's what I don't get. He was going on forever that he couldn't do a national stay at home order - and in fact never did. So how can he override state orders made during state declared emergencies. It does not compute. 

This bumbling administration does not compute. And they ignore those who do.

As do their supporters a lot of the time.

[jelloshots4all]

He won't actually open up the states (another lie).  He wouldn't shut them down and left that to the states.  He's a blowfard!!

If he opens them up early with his "Ultimate power as Pres", and the shit hits the fan again, that's even more blood on his hands.  He likes to puff his chest, say I'm the best, doing everything right, etc to feed his ego.

But then again he never takes responsibility for anything he does or says!

[dondub]

Apr 13, 2020 21:26:48 GMT -5 jelloshots4all said:

He won't actually open up the states (another lie).  He wouldn't shut them down and left that to the states.  He's a blowfard!!

If he opens them up early with his "Ultimate power as Pres", and the shit hits the fan again, that's even more blood on his hands.  He likes to puff his chest, say I'm the best, doing everything right, etc to feed his ego.

But then again he never takes responsibility for anything he does or says!

.

He could easily F up his re-election chances opening too early and it seems as if he is pushing for it. Say August rolls around and there is a second spike and we are back on lockdown there will be no way he can blame anyone else. It will be all on him as will the second level economic damage. Toast.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 13, 2020 22:18:00 GMT -5 dondub said:

Apr 13, 2020 21:26:48 GMT -5 jelloshots4all said:

He won't actually open up the states (another lie).  He wouldn't shut them down and left that to the states.  He's a blowfard!!

If he opens them up early with his "Ultimate power as Pres", and the shit hits the fan again, that's even more blood on his hands.  He likes to puff his chest, say I'm the best, doing everything right, etc to feed his ego.

But then again he never takes responsibility for anything he does or says!

.

He could easily F up his re-election chances opening too early and it seems as if he is pushing for it. Say August rolls around and there is a second spike and we are back on lockdown there will be no way he can blame anyone else. It will be all on him as will the second level economic damage. Toast.

he'll blame Hillary, her emails, Benghazi, and her hit on Vince Foster. It is always someone else's fault but his own.

[jelloshots4all]

Apr 13, 2020 22:29:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 13, 2020 22:18:00 GMT -5 dondub said:

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He could easily F up his re-election chances opening too early and it seems as if he is pushing for it. Say August rolls around and there is a second spike and we are back on lockdown there will be no way he can blame anyone else. It will be all on him as will the second level economic damage. Toast.

he'll blame Hillary, her emails, Benghazi, and her hit on Vince Foster. It is always someone else's fault but his own.

Don't forget Hunter Biden!!  The witch hunt, blah, blah blah blah!

[kadee79]

Apr 13, 2020 22:29:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 13, 2020 22:18:00 GMT -5 dondub said:

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He could easily F up his re-election chances opening too early and it seems as if he is pushing for it. Say August rolls around and there is a second spike and we are back on lockdown there will be no way he can blame anyone else. It will be all on him as will the second level economic damage. Toast.

he'll blame Hillary, her emails, Benghazi, and her hit on Vince Foster. It is always someone else's fault but his own.

You left out Obama, Bush & WHO!

[happyhoix]

Apr 13, 2020 22:18:00 GMT -5 dondub said:

Apr 13, 2020 21:26:48 GMT -5 jelloshots4all said:

He won't actually open up the states (another lie).  He wouldn't shut them down and left that to the states.  He's a blowfard!!

If he opens them up early with his "Ultimate power as Pres", and the shit hits the fan again, that's even more blood on his hands.  He likes to puff his chest, say I'm the best, doing everything right, etc to feed his ego.

But then again he never takes responsibility for anything he does or says!

.

He could easily F up his re-election chances opening too early and it seems as if he is pushing for it. Say August rolls around and there is a second spike and we are back on lockdown there will be no way he can blame anyone else. It will be all on him as will the second level economic damage. Toast.

Of course he can blame someone else. 

He will make a big stink about 'reopening the country' and insist he's the only one who can make that decision. 

Then we'll get some new spikes (inevitable if we try to go back to normal without having the ability to test everyone to determine who has antibodies for the disease and who is still sick with the disease) and Trump will insist that, while he was brilliant and amazing to open the country when he did, it was the responsibility of the governors and mayors of each specific area to make sure their own areas were at the point they could also open for business. Just like with the ventilators and PPE, it's mot Trump's responsibility to look at every little part of the US to ensure that particular place is ok. 

Every bad thing is never his fault. Just the blindingly brilliant bits are his responsibility. 

[tbop77]

Apr 13, 2020 17:08:49 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nope Congress wants to set the opening.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senior-dems-call-for-national-plan-to-reopen-us/ar-BB12zOzS?li=BBnb7Kz

Just curious, what do you think of this statement?

Asked what provisions of the Constitution gave him the power to override the states if they wanted to remain closed, he said, “Numerous provisions,” without naming any. “When somebody’s the president of the United States, the authority is total.”

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-leaps-to-call-shots-on-combating-coronavirus-setting-up-standoff-with-governors/ar-BB12A1ob?ocid=spartanntp

[busymom]

The governor here has extended the lockdown until May 13th.  I support his decision, especially since our state is doing better on coronavirus, compared to neighboring states who haven't been strict at all, whose rates are rising quickly.