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Post by countrygirl2 on Apr 13, 2020 14:24:14 GMT -5
Fox just said who is on the council to reopen the country. I already figured who 2 were, yep, jared and Ivanka, aren't we so lucky. Wilbur ross and kudlow, mnuchin, meadows, lightziner, and one other.
All the experts we have in this country and we get this pathetic bunch of zoo animals, yeah, that's insulting to zoo animals.
We are soooooo screwed.
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Post by busymom on Apr 13, 2020 14:27:02 GMT -5
Well, I'd planned to stay home the first week or two anyway, once the "authorities" said it was o.k. to venture out. I'll just double down & stay home longer now. Let's all stay home, and let the "Darwin Awards" run their course. With apologies, of course, to any innocents who get taken down during this stupidity.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 13, 2020 14:31:11 GMT -5
The government can't force us to leave our house. I hope you work for an understanding company/boss.
You can always claim that someone in your house has a bad cough, but not bad enough to get tested. And you would hate to spread it (Covid or not) around the office at this time.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Apr 13, 2020 14:42:14 GMT -5
They can force my son, he is DOD, and he is worried. They are talking about going back May 1. I hope they don't plan on him traveling too.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 13, 2020 14:50:00 GMT -5
They can force my son, he is DOD, and he is worried. They are talking about going back May 1. I hope they don't plan on him traveling too. Ugh. Hopefully people at lower levels of power will be more cautious with their requirements than the POTUS will be with his demands.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 13, 2020 14:56:56 GMT -5
He said he has the authority to open things up. Funny how he didn’t have authority to shut things down. Wonder if the governors agree.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Apr 13, 2020 14:58:52 GMT -5
He said he has the authority to open things up. Funny how he didn’t have authority to shut things down. Wonder if the governors agree. That was my first thought too.
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Post by haapai on Apr 13, 2020 14:59:27 GMT -5
It might not be as bad as you think. When I look at how late states are predicted to peak, how high they are predicted to peak, and how slowly numbers are coming down, and how much they have to come down for them to be controllable, I don't see a whole lot of governors lifting a whole lot of restrictions any time soon.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 13, 2020 15:03:12 GMT -5
They can force my son, he is DOD, and he is worried. They are talking about going back May 1. I hope they don't plan on him traveling too. Is your son a fair weather DOD worker? No. He as well as anyone that enlists in the service knows there might be times they risk life and limb for the country. If it was guarenteed no military, nurse, doctor, DOD person would risk their lives everyone would be on the payroll. That is what makes these people special. And it is ok to worry about them, just do not blame any leader for putting them in place when needed. They signed up for these situations to help the nation. That is why they are there.
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Post by lynnerself on Apr 13, 2020 15:16:42 GMT -5
Except for Jared and Ivanka, those are probably appropriate people to include. But where is the equal number of epidemiologists and infectious disease doctors?
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Post by Happy prose on Apr 13, 2020 15:24:56 GMT -5
Question- what do you guys think is an acceptable number of new cases per day to go back to work? I'm compromised, work in a large office. I'm scared they will reopen too soon. I'm in NJ. In my mind, we are very far away from being safe yet, but my office is working on the reopen plan. Planning is a good thing, but I just hope they're thinking far future.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 13, 2020 15:31:19 GMT -5
That should be based on epidemiological projections. There should be a way to calculate how low it needs to be to keep the numbers at an acceptable range. Hopefully the governors will listen, as it is unlikely trump will. The fact that they are looking at this on a regional basis is a good sign
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Post by countrygirl2 on Apr 13, 2020 15:46:51 GMT -5
Is your son a fair weather DOD worker? No.
He as well as anyone that enlists in the service knows there might be times they risk life and limb for the country.
If it was guarenteed no military, nurse, doctor, DOD person would risk their lives everyone would be on the payroll. That is what makes these people special.
And it is ok to worry about them, just do not blame any leader for putting them in place when needed. They signed up for these situations to help the nation. That is why they are there.
I don't even want to hear that crap, he is 52 and has served all his life. He doesn't want to carry it home to his son and wife is all.
So no I'm not listening to that BS.
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Post by Bob Ross on Apr 13, 2020 15:50:17 GMT -5
They can force my son, he is DOD, and he is worried. They are talking about going back May 1. I hope they don't plan on him traveling too. Is your son a fair weather DOD worker? No. He as well as anyone that enlists in the service knows there might be times they risk life and limb for the country. If it was guarenteed no military, nurse, doctor, DOD person would risk their lives everyone would be on the payroll. That is what makes these people special. And it is ok to worry about them, just do not blame any leader for putting them in place when needed. They signed up for these situations to help the nation. That is why they are there. Not blaming a leader for putting them in place when needed is one thing. Not blaming a leader for ordering them to charge into machine gun fire for no appreciable gains (to use a WWI analogy) is another. Not blaming a leader for ordering them to charge into machine gun fire for that leader's personal gain is yet another.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Apr 13, 2020 16:12:17 GMT -5
He will do what is required as he is planning on retiring from his job one day. He likes his job but this is something he has no control over. I will worry. Someone in his office tested positive last week. His saving grace is he was out 2 weeks with flu like symptoms and quarantined already and so he has missed that.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 13, 2020 16:18:25 GMT -5
It might not be as bad as you think. When I look at how late states are predicted to peak, how high they are predicted to peak, and how slowly numbers are coming down, and how much they have to come down for them to be controllable, I don't see a whole lot of governors lifting a whole lot of restrictions any time soon. Depending on how forceful Trump is, I suspect there are plenty of Republican governors that will immediately do whatever Trump says. The only reason it has been hodgepodge is because Trump was being a giant and didn't ask for the governors to do anything.
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Post by haapai on Apr 13, 2020 16:43:06 GMT -5
It might not be as bad as you think. When I look at how late states are predicted to peak, how high they are predicted to peak, and how slowly numbers are coming down, and how much they have to come down for them to be controllable, I don't see a whole lot of governors lifting a whole lot of restrictions any time soon. Depending on how forceful Trump is, I suspect there are plenty of Republican governors that will immediately do whatever Trump says. The only reason it has been hodgepodge is because Trump was being a giant and didn't ask for the governors to do anything. I honestly don't believe that many GOP governors are that crazy. Even Mike Pence, who scares me shitless, once okayed a needle-exchange/distribution program to combat an HIV outbreak in his state. He stalled for as long as he could, basically murdering folks in the process, but something eventually got to him. It was probably the increasing number of deaths and the projection of many more.
I may not be paying enough attention to the numbers in the relevant states, but I also see one hell of a conundrum for governors. If they are good little loyalists and lift mitigation efforts on command, by November they will have numbers and projected numbers that really hurt their party.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 13, 2020 16:43:51 GMT -5
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 13, 2020 16:58:10 GMT -5
Is your son a fair weather DOD worker? No.
He as well as anyone that enlists in the service knows there might be times they risk life and limb for the country.
If it was guarenteed no military, nurse, doctor, DOD person would risk their lives everyone would be on the payroll. That is what makes these people special.
And it is ok to worry about them, just do not blame any leader for putting them in place when needed. They signed up for these situations to help the nation. That is why they are there.
I don't even want to hear that crap, he is 52 and has served all his life. He doesn't want to carry it home to his son and wife is all. So no I'm not listening to that BS. He is no better than the $15 a hour person at WMT risking ther lives every day for you. Have you demanded here on the boards for all stores to close because they can be infected?
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 13, 2020 17:00:45 GMT -5
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Apr 13, 2020 17:01:08 GMT -5
I am now envisioning a political cartoon in which ally states sit at different conference table groups with Trump at a podium in the middle of the tables. One person at each group is holding a remote control with the mute button pressed, and Trump has an empty speech bubble.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 13, 2020 17:24:25 GMT -5
Got to love headline writers. Senior Democrats? No, only a couple of the bill sponsors could be considered senior members. And only one appears to have a (minor) leadership position. This is going nowhere.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Apr 13, 2020 17:33:03 GMT -5
And if you think he cares about you, then remember he even shoved another world leader aside to get in front in a picture. He lacks any human qualities, no empathy, no nothing. Just me, myself, and I what do I have to gain. Oh and his whatever Ivanka. That seems like a very unhealthy relationship.
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 14, 2020 15:48:05 GMT -5
Is your son a fair weather DOD worker? No. He as well as anyone that enlists in the service knows there might be times they risk life and limb for the country. If it was guarenteed no military, nurse, doctor, DOD person would risk their lives everyone would be on the payroll. That is what makes these people special. And it is ok to worry about them, just do not blame any leader for putting them in place when needed. They signed up for these situations to help the nation. That is why they are there. Not blaming a leader for putting them in place when needed is one thing. Not blaming a leader for ordering them to charge into machine gun fire for no appreciable gains (to use a WWI analogy) is another. Not blaming a leader for ordering them to charge into machine gun fire for that leader's personal gain is yet another. The charge of the Light Brigade should become the man on the golden throne's new motto so we all go out and protect his business interests:
The Charge of the Light Brigade BY ALFRED, LORD TENNYSON
I Half a league, half a league, Half a league onward, All in the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. “Forward, the Light Brigade! Charge for the guns!” he said. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
II “Forward, the Light Brigade!” Was there a man dismayed? Not though the soldier knew Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
III Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon in front of them Volleyed and thundered; Stormed at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the mouth of hell Rode the six hundred.
IV Flashed all their sabres bare, Flashed as they turned in air Sabring the gunners there, Charging an army, while All the world wondered. Plunged in the battery-smoke Right through the line they broke; Cossack and Russian Reeled from the sabre stroke Shattered and sundered. Then they rode back, but not Not the six hundred.
V Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon behind them Volleyed and thundered; Stormed at with shot and shell, While horse and hero fell. They that had fought so well Came through the jaws of Death, Back from the mouth of hell, All that was left of them, Left of six hundred.
VI When can their glory fade? O the wild charge they made! All the world wondered. Honour the charge they made! Honour the Light Brigade, Noble six hundred!
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Post by saveinla on Apr 14, 2020 16:19:38 GMT -5
The Western states are also joining together, since their early intervention has helped flatten the curve. Newsom let the medical people talk about what how are thinking of opening up - it will not be soon and they may also take it back, but they are slowly planning for it. www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/us/politics/coronavirus-response-california-washington-oregon.htmlLOS ANGELES — California, Oregon and Washington have more ventilators than they can use. As the nation struggles to scrounge up the lifesaving machines for hospitals overrun with Covid-19 patients, these three Western states recently shipped 1,000 spares to New York and other besieged neighbors to the East. “All NYC needs is love …. From CA,” a worker scrawled in Magic Marker on a ventilator shipping box, shown in a video posted on Twitter by the governor of California, Gavin Newsom. The ongoing effort of three West Coast states to come to the aid of more hard-hit parts of the nation has emerged as the most powerful indication to date that the early intervention of West Coast governors and mayors might have mitigated, at least for now, the medical catastrophe that has befallen New York and parts of the Midwest and South.
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 14, 2020 18:18:59 GMT -5
I often said that I live in one of the states that best fits my political opinions, but damn am I ever happy I don't live in Indiana where they have this sorry excuse for a human being representing them, This creature does not even pretend to care for human life (we really should look up his voting record on abortion. That could be very interesting):
"Washington (CNN)An Indiana congressman said Tuesday that letting more Americans die from the novel coronavirus is the "lesser of two evils" compared with the economy cratering due to social distancing measures.
Speaking with radio station WIBC in Indiana, Republican Rep. Trey Hollingsworth asserted that, while he appreciated the science behind the virus' spread, "it is always the American government's position to say, in the choice between the loss of our way of life as Americans and the loss of life, of American lives, we have to always choose the latter." "The social scientists are telling us about the economic disaster that is going on. Our (Gross Domestic Product) is supposed to be down 20% alone this quarter," Hollingsworth said. "It is policymakers' decision to put on our big boy and big girl pants and say it is the lesser of these two evils. It is not zero evil, but it is the lesser of these two evils and we intend to move forward that direction. That is our responsibility and to abdicate that is to insult the Americans that voted us into office."
www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/politics/trey-hollingsworth-coronavirus/index.html
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Apr 14, 2020 18:23:01 GMT -5
I often said that I live in one of the states that best fits my political opinions, but damn am I ever happy I don't live in Indiana where they have this sorry excuse for a human being representing them, This creature does not even pretend to care for human life (we really should look up his voting record on abortion. That could be very interesting):
"Washington (CNN)An Indiana congressman said Tuesday that letting more Americans die from the novel coronavirus is the "lesser of two evils" compared with the economy cratering due to social distancing measures.
Speaking with radio station WIBC in Indiana, Republican Rep. Trey Hollingsworth asserted that, while he appreciated the science behind the virus' spread, "it is always the American government's position to say, in the choice between the loss of our way of life as Americans and the loss of life, of American lives, we have to always choose the latter." "The social scientists are telling us about the economic disaster that is going on. Our (Gross Domestic Product) is supposed to be down 20% alone this quarter," Hollingsworth said. "It is policymakers' decision to put on our big boy and big girl pants and say it is the lesser of these two evils. It is not zero evil, but it is the lesser of these two evils and we intend to move forward that direction. That is our responsibility and to abdicate that is to insult the Americans that voted us into office."
www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/politics/trey-hollingsworth-coronavirus/index.html
I seriously hope that when this person is up for reelection, his opponents play these comments repeatedly to remind voters that they are less important than money.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 14, 2020 18:41:50 GMT -5
Is your son a fair weather DOD worker? No.
He as well as anyone that enlists in the service knows there might be times they risk life and limb for the country.
If it was guarenteed no military, nurse, doctor, DOD person would risk their lives everyone would be on the payroll. That is what makes these people special.
And it is ok to worry about them, just do not blame any leader for putting them in place when needed. They signed up for these situations to help the nation. That is why they are there.
I don't even want to hear that crap, he is 52 and has served all his life. He doesn't want to carry it home to his son and wife is all. So no I'm not listening to that BS. He is no better than the $15 a hour person at WMT risking ther lives every day for you. Have you demanded here on the boards for all stores to close because they can be infected? sounds like a plan.
CLOSE WMT NOW!!!!
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