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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 17:16:39 GMT -5
I think any other candidate in history, even Reagan would have been doomed by Trumps Coronavirus response. I’m not so sure about Donald. I just know with Biden getting the nod that “has a pulse” and “is not Donald Trump” has been checked off on my list for who to vote for in November. Maybe, maybe not. I was listening to a podcast the other day and Reagan never acknowledged AIDs until the beginning of his second term when over 6K Americans had already died. AIDS was called the “gay plague” in the early years even by Reagan’s press secretary in 1982. I don’t believe by 1984 it was even considered a hot button issue by most of the American electorate, Rock Hudson wasn’t even confirmed to have it until 1985. Don’t get me wrong, Reagan’s response to AIDS was horrific, it just didn’t have any impact on the 84 election.
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Post by mary2029 on Apr 8, 2020 17:22:00 GMT -5
Yes. Haven't you listed to "Hamilton"? John Adams was George Washington's VP (and initial competitor). In recent times (although maybe not the exact circumstances you were looking for): * Gerald Ford chose Nelson Rockefeller after Nixon's resignation in 1974. Rockefeller ran for president in 1960, 1964 and 1968. * Al Gore ran for president in 1988 and became VP in 1993.
I found one... In 1960 Lyndon Johnson ran for president and then served under Kennedy.
psssssssssst- post 25, mary. I don't think that is the circumstance that Thyme was referring to. I think she wanted competitors rather than already-elected next in charge.
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Post by mary2029 on Apr 8, 2020 17:24:23 GMT -5
Maybe, maybe not. I was listening to a podcast the other day and Reagan never acknowledged AIDs until the beginning of his second term when over 6K Americans had already died. AIDS was called the “gay plague” in the early years even by Reagan’s press secretary in 1982. I don’t believe by 1984 it was even considered a hot button issue by most of the American electorate, Rock Hudson wasn’t even confirmed to have it until 1985. Don’t get me wrong, Reagan’s response to AIDS was horrific, it just didn’t have any impact on the 84 election. Agree. But, then again, Covid19 may not have any impact either. It's only April... November is still a long way away.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 17:24:46 GMT -5
psssssssssst- post 25, mary. I don't think that is the circumstance that Thyme was referring to. I think she wanted competitors rather than already-elected next in charge. I thought just the opposite. but ok. let's wait and see, I guess?
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Post by tallguy on Apr 8, 2020 17:25:26 GMT -5
psssssssssst- post 25, mary. I don't think that is the circumstance that Thyme was referring to. I think she wanted competitors rather than already-elected next in charge. GHW Bush WAS a candidate in 1980. He won several primaries, as a matter of fact. It was also during the 1980 primary season that he famously called Reagan's plan "voodoo economics." We would have been better off if Bush had won.
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Post by mary2029 on Apr 8, 2020 17:27:37 GMT -5
I don't think that is the circumstance that Thyme was referring to. I think she wanted competitors rather than already-elected next in charge. GHW Bush WAS a candidate in 1980. He won several primaries, as a matter of fact. It was also during the 1980 primary season that he famously called Reagan's plan "voodoo economics." We would have been better off if Bush had won. Oops! My bad. Dj and Tall Guy are right.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 8, 2020 17:41:57 GMT -5
so we've got 2 creepy old guys who speak in word salads. Great I dunno. I don't think Joe is all that creepy. and if he speaks some babble, it is just him gaffing about. he usually fishes around and finds the right words.
I think he is infinitely preferable to the vindictive misanthrope that occupies the WH.
have you watched the creepy uncle joe complilations? I can tell you - all of us females have been there. Men thinking they can lay their hands on us because they want to, whisper in our ears, clamping a hand on a shoulder as you try to wiggle away without cause a scene. And girls conditioned by society to not make waves, not make a scene, because it doesn't "mean anything" no one "meant anything" by it - and yet if it doesn't mean a thing - quit fucking doing it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 17:45:45 GMT -5
I dunno. I don't think Joe is all that creepy. and if he speaks some babble, it is just him gaffing about. he usually fishes around and finds the right words.
I think he is infinitely preferable to the vindictive misanthrope that occupies the WH.
have you watched the creepy uncle joe complilations? I can tell you - all of us females have been there. Men thinking they can lay their hands on us because they want to, whisper in our ears, clamping a hand on a shoulder as you try to wiggle away without cause a scene. And girls conditioned by society to not make waves, not make a scene, because it doesn't "mean anything" no one "meant anything" by it - and yet if it doesn't mean a thing - quit fucking doing it.yeah, I have watched them. i am not defending him, for the record, Rukh.
something upwards of 90% of all women are victims of some sort of sexual assault or harassment. i would guess that probably 80% of the 90% are the Uncle Joe variety, and 10% are the Donald Trump variety (or worse).
does that make any sense to you, or should i just quit fucking chiming in?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 8, 2020 18:05:44 GMT -5
Thanks jd, I just hate having this minimized. It's not like it hasn't been brought to his attention - he refuses to deny himself the pleasure of pawing young girls with no advocacy. It makes me sick. So I find this kind of statement hurtful actually.
I can speak to the comparison a bit. I was pawed on by a male teacher. Just on the arm, but why the hell is a male teacher caressing my bare upper arm? I remember it so clearly. Having no agency. Waiting for it to end. Wondering why it was happening. And it's been 40+ years. I had my crotch grabbed a couple of times when I was older. Also highly unpleasant.
Which is worse? It's not as clear cut as you might assume. Having someone paw on you when you are so young is really disturbing...especially in a situation where you can't get away. Lots of these girls Joe preyed on are on stage with their parents and he takes that opportunity to mess with them and touch them when they have likely never felt less able to jerk away and run. Why?
It's kind of fucking sick if you ask me. It's a power trip. It's keeping young girls under the thumb of old men. Old men are allowed to just reach out and touch you. They'll do it when you feel the least amount of power. They don't care if you pull away, they will clamp and hold you fast, lean in more.
Fuck Biden.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 8, 2020 18:09:25 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 18:19:19 GMT -5
Thanks jd, I just hate having this minimized. It's not like it hasn't been brought to his attention - he refuses to deny himself the pleasure of pawing young girls with no advocacy. It makes me sick. So I find this kind of statement hurtful actually. I can speak to the comparison a bit. I was pawed on by a male teacher. Just on the arm, but why the hell is a male teacher caressing my bare upper arm? I remember it so clearly. Having no agency. Waiting for it to end. Wondering why it was happening. And it's been 40+ years. I had my crotch grabbed a couple of times when I was older. Also highly unpleasant. Which is worse? It's not as clear cut as you might assume. Having someone paw on you when you are so young is really disturbing...especially in a situation where you can't get away. Lots of these girls Joe preyed on are on stage with their parents and he takes that opportunity to mess with them and touch them when they have likely never felt less able to jerk away and run. Why? It's kind of fucking sick if you ask me. It's a power trip. It's keeping young girls under the thumb of old men. Old men are allowed to just reach out and touch you. They'll do it when you feel the least amount of power. They don't care if you pull away, they will clamp and hold you fast, lean in more. Fuck Biden. please forgive me. i never wish to appear indifferent about sexual harassment and assault. i know it is a real thing. in fact, i have done some volunteer work for a women's sexual assault resource center. i am not ignorant or dismissive of it. but it would appear that i need to work on how i communicate it in the future.
i was not trying to diminish your experience. and if you really feel that what Trump does and what Biden does is the same, i am not in a position to argue with that.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 8, 2020 20:14:00 GMT -5
I will ask my question again.... Has a VP selection ever been made from the pool of people who were in the primary to be President? I just don't think VP is a desirable position to them. Yes. Haven't you listed to "Hamilton"? John Adams was George Washington's VP (and initial competitor). In recent times (although maybe not the exact circumstances you were looking for): * Gerald Ford chose Nelson Rockefeller after Nixon's resignation in 1974. Rockefeller ran for president in 1960, 1964 and 1968. * Al Gore ran for president in 1988 and became VP in 1993.
I found one... In 1960 Lyndon Johnson ran for president and then served under Kennedy.
I'm asking the opposite question. How many candidates become VP, not how many VPs become candidates. Every election we pick between some number of people and then everyone in America says "The guy who won should pick the guy who lost" and they don't. Instead they find the most bat shit governor, or some rando business guy, or whatever. The general public has zero idea how the short list is chosen.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 8, 2020 20:15:22 GMT -5
I don't think that is the circumstance that Thyme was referring to. I think she wanted competitors rather than already-elected next in charge. GHW Bush WAS a candidate in 1980. He won several primaries, as a matter of fact. It was also during the 1980 primary season that he famously called Reagan's plan "voodoo economics." We would have been better off if Bush had won. This seems to be the only one in modern history.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 8, 2020 20:21:17 GMT -5
... Every election we pick between some number of people and then everyone in America says "The guy who won should pick the guy who lost" and they don't. Instead they find the most bat shit governor, or some rando business guy, or whatever. The general public has zero idea how the short list is chosen. Not everyone in America says that. I know that is true because I am in America and I don't say it. I agree that the general public has zero idea but that is their choice to stay ignorant.
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Post by mary2029 on Apr 8, 2020 20:50:30 GMT -5
GHW Bush WAS a candidate in 1980. He won several primaries, as a matter of fact. It was also during the 1980 primary season that he famously called Reagan's plan "voodoo economics." We would have been better off if Bush had won. This seems to be the only one in modern history. Lyndon Johnson in 1960 also meets this criterion.
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