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Post by jelloshots4all on Apr 8, 2020 10:44:18 GMT -5
Good luck Joe!
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Post by andi9899 on Apr 8, 2020 10:50:57 GMT -5
Guess I'm voting for JB now.
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Post by TheHaitian on Apr 8, 2020 11:08:09 GMT -5
- but will continue amassing delegates to use leverage
- did not say anything nice or embrace Joe Biden
- did not say in anyway how he will support Joe Biden
- Barely acknowledged him....
Are we taking our ball and going home? And why continue amassing delegates for leverage?
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 8, 2020 11:12:10 GMT -5
I do hope Bernie supporters do eventually get behind Biden. Bernie dropping out is a tough pill for some of his supporters to swallow.
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Post by deadeyedick on Apr 8, 2020 11:12:42 GMT -5
Maybe he wants to be VP.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 8, 2020 11:28:45 GMT -5
- but will continue amassing delegates to use leverage - did not say anything nice or embrace Joe Biden - did not say in anyway how he will support Joe Biden - Barely acknowledged him.... Are we taking our ball and going home? And why continue amassing delegates for leverage?To influence the party's platform. |
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 8, 2020 11:29:26 GMT -5
Bernie is not a Democrat. He doesn't care about the Democratic party, and believes very strongly that there is a singular right way to fix all the ills of our country. He doesn't want to align with the lessor of two evils (in his mind) - he wants to country to elect him and put all his policies in place.
He might be okay with Trump winning. He may see the divisiveness as a path to having more people agree with him and his policies.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 8, 2020 11:31:54 GMT -5
My daughter said "Oh no. Joe is creepy."
Welcome to voting sweet pea. They are all creepy. Just pick the lessor of two evils.
17 years and 8 months old - and I witnessed the moment of disillusionment.
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Post by hurley1980 on Apr 8, 2020 13:25:02 GMT -5
Good! I despise Bernie. Like Thyme said, hes not a democrat, he just hijacked the ticket because he knew he could never win as an independent. His ideas are crazy, and hes completely unelectable. Glad he's going home!
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Post by deminmaine on Apr 8, 2020 13:52:11 GMT -5
Two threads with this topic are merged into the one that was started first.
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Post by dezii on Apr 8, 2020 14:13:08 GMT -5
Good! I despise Bernie. Like Thyme said, hes not a democrat, he just hijacked the ticket because he knew he could never win as an independent. His ideas are crazy, and hes completely unelectable. Glad he's going home! Ideas are extreme...not crazy. What is really wrong about Medicare for all...{ok, the cost..} but we just agreed to a two trillion dollar infusion of $ and Pelosi is suggesting another trillion to be needed AT LEAST and hugh debt for advanced education...$15.00 per hour minimum wage..? extreme but not crazy.... No I was not a supporter of him and as far as not being a Democrate, the Democratic party represents extreme leftest ultra liberals all the way to moderate rightest and everything in between unlike the GOP that consists of folks who are not in those extremes, so Bernie and friends do fit into the Democratic party IMHO  Despise Bernie and guess his supporters too? hate to tell ya but with out strong showing of he and his supporters , no way the incumbent , the Donald, is going down in defeat...so suggest take a breath and cut the crap of despising him and supporters or get use to another four years under the Donald and friends...In otherwords..grow up... |
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 8, 2020 14:18:23 GMT -5
Good! I despise Bernie. Like Thyme said, hes not a democrat, he just hijacked the ticket because he knew he could never win as an independent. His ideas are crazy, and hes completely unelectable. Glad he's going home! What crazy ideas? Medicare for all? Free tuition? Abolishing fracking? Making marijuana legal? National rent control? I don't find them crazy. Many countries are doing just that. |
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Post by swamp on Apr 8, 2020 14:18:57 GMT -5
My daughter said "Oh no. Joe is creepy." Welcome to voting sweet pea. They are all creepy. Just pick the lessor of two evils. 17 years and 8 months old - and I witnessed the moment of disillusionment. so we've got 2 creepy old guys who speak in word salads. Great |
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Post by deminmaine on Apr 8, 2020 14:32:01 GMT -5
I am not a supporter of Bernie by any means. However the idea that Medicare for All is not feasible because of cost is flawed to say the least. Redirect the flow of monies from private insurance, Medicaid, VA and Medicare into one program and all of a sudden the task is a bit less daunting.
It is still a huge leap, because the complete re-organization of this behemoth is a tremendous challenge, but after all the rest of the world has done it.
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Post by hurley1980 on Apr 8, 2020 14:38:40 GMT -5
Good! I despise Bernie. Like Thyme said, hes not a democrat, he just hijacked the ticket because he knew he could never win as an independent. His ideas are crazy, and hes completely unelectable. Glad he's going home! Ideas are extreme...not crazy. What is really wrong about Medicare for all...{ok, the cost..} but we just agreed to a two trillion dollar infusion of $ and Pelosi is suggesting another trillion to be needed AT LEAST and hugh debt for advanced education...$15.00 per hour minimum wage..? extreme but not crazy.... No I was not a supporter of him and as far as not being a Democrate, the Democratic party represents extreme leftest ultra liberals all the way to moderate rightest and everything in between unlike the GOP that consists of folks who are not in those extremes, so Bernie and friends do fit into the Democratic party IMHO Despise Bernie and guess his supporters too? hate to tell ya but with out strong showing of he and his supporters , no way the incumbent , the Donald, is going down in defeat...so suggest take a breath and cut the crap of despising him and supporters or get use to another four years under the Donald and friends.. .In otherwords..grow up...Just because I dont agree with you, doesnt mean you need to insult me. I'm a grown ass woman. I dont despise his supporters, but I think THEY need to grow up. They stop their feet and throw a tantrum because their guy didnt win, then they decide not to vote. They are part of the reason Trump won last election. And forgiving all student loan dept is a crazy idea. Who is going to pay for that? I'm done today..... |
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 8, 2020 14:43:25 GMT -5
I'm fine with Medicare for all, but making private insurance illegal is problematic. Current medicare has insurance supplements, and most countries with socialized medicine have supplemental insurance or care of some sort. Clearly, there is a way to balance government and business to have a successful system.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 8, 2020 14:52:36 GMT -5
I am not a supporter of Bernie by any means. However the idea that Medicare for All is not feasible because of cost is flawed to say the least. Redirect the flow of monies from private insurance, Medicaid, VA and Medicare into one program and all of a sudden the task is a bit less daunting. It is still a huge leap, because the complete re-organization of this behemoth is a tremendous challenge, but after all the rest of the world has done it. Exactly. When we did it, everyone was howling that it couldn't be done! It will fail! Doctors will quit! We did it....over half a century ago, and Tommy Douglas remains a national hero to this very day. |
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Post by dezii on Apr 8, 2020 15:10:02 GMT -5
Ideas are extreme...not crazy. What is really wrong about Medicare for all...{ok, the cost..} but we just agreed to a two trillion dollar infusion of $ and Pelosi is suggesting another trillion to be needed AT LEAST and hugh debt for advanced education...$15.00 per hour minimum wage..? extreme but not crazy.... No I was not a supporter of him and as far as not being a Democrate, the Democratic party represents extreme leftest ultra liberals all the way to moderate rightest and everything in between unlike the GOP that consists of folks who are not in those extremes, so Bernie and friends do fit into the Democratic party IMHO Despise Bernie and guess his supporters too? hate to tell ya but with out strong showing of he and his supporters , no way the incumbent , the Donald, is going down in defeat...so suggest take a breath and cut the crap of despising him and supporters or get use to another four years under the Donald and friends.. .In otherwords..grow up...Just because I dont agree with you, doesnt mean you need to insult me. I'm a grown ass woman. I dont despise his supporters, but I think THEY need to grow up. They stop their feet and throw a tantrum because their guy didnt win, then they decide not to vote. They are part of the reason Trump won last election. And forgiving all student loan dept is a crazy idea. Who is going to pay for that? I'm done today..... "sug gest take a breath and cut the crap of despising him and supporters or get use to another four years under the Donald and friends..."hate to tell ya but with out strong showing of he and his supporters , no way the incumbent , the Donald, is going down in defeat..." As far as student loans is concerned...to have $40,000 plus a year costs for undergraduate degrees, I am sure u agree is not a healthy thing...Possible more emphasize on first two years of college concentrating on community colleges ...being heavily subsidized , associate degrees...or some other program be considered...so instead of his idea of his being crazy...the man is NOT crazy...I say some of his ideas are extreme but worthy of some consideration for a less extreme solution....definitely no reason to despise the man IMHO. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 15:10:11 GMT -5
I think any other candidate in history, even Reagan would have been doomed by Trumps Coronavirus response. I’m not so sure about Donald.
I just know with Biden getting the nod that “has a pulse” and “is not Donald Trump” has been checked off on my list for who to vote for in November.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Apr 8, 2020 16:01:28 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 16:13:47 GMT -5
what he wants is immaterial. Joe already stated that he wanted a woman. I would suggest a younger female, preferably one of color.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 16:16:34 GMT -5
My daughter said "Oh no. Joe is creepy." Welcome to voting sweet pea. They are all creepy. Just pick the lessor of two evils. 17 years and 8 months old - and I witnessed the moment of disillusionment. so we've got 2 creepy old guys who speak in word salads. Great I dunno. I don't think Joe is all that creepy. and if he speaks some babble, it is just him gaffing about. he usually fishes around and finds the right words.
I think he is infinitely preferable to the vindictive misanthrope that occupies the WH.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 16:18:31 GMT -5
I'm fine with Medicare for all, but making private insurance illegal is problematic. Current medicare has insurance supplements, and most countries with socialized medicine have supplemental insurance or care of some sort. Clearly, there is a way to balance government and business to have a successful system. the best systems are ALL dual systems.
Biden's idea on this subject is way way better.
and he was pretty much the only one saying it.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 8, 2020 16:18:46 GMT -5
I will ask my question again....
Has a VP selection ever been made from the pool of people who were in the primary to be President? I just don't think VP is a desirable position to them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 16:19:29 GMT -5
I am not a supporter of Bernie by any means. However the idea that Medicare for All is not feasible because of cost is flawed to say the least. Redirect the flow of monies from private insurance, Medicaid, VA and Medicare into one program and all of a sudden the task is a bit less daunting. It is still a huge leap, because the complete re-organization of this behemoth is a tremendous challenge, but after all the rest of the world has done it. Exactly. When we did it, everyone was howling that it couldn't be done! It will fail! Doctors will quit! We did it....over half a century ago, and Tommy Douglas remains a national hero to this very day. the fundamental issue is universal coverage. Democrats are united on that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 16:22:12 GMT -5
I will ask my question again.... Has a VP selection ever been made from the pool of people who were in the primary to be President? I just don't think VP is a desirable position to them. of course. GHW Bush was the most recent one. |
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Post by deminmaine on Apr 8, 2020 16:45:49 GMT -5
Exactly. When we did it, everyone was howling that it couldn't be done! It will fail! Doctors will quit! We did it....over half a century ago, and Tommy Douglas remains a national hero to this very day. the fundamental issue is universal coverage. Democrats are united on that.
Yup. And I don't think basic "Medicare for All" universal coverage precludes a dual system at all by the way. Even our existing Medicare has supplemental policies available. In fact the term Medicare for All is really a slogan that means Universal Basic Coverage. It is really not hard to comprehend- for people that care to. |
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Post by mary2029 on Apr 8, 2020 16:47:41 GMT -5
I think any other candidate in history, even Reagan would have been doomed by Trumps Coronavirus response. I’m not so sure about Donald. I just know with Biden getting the nod that “has a pulse” and “is not Donald Trump” has been checked off on my list for who to vote for in November. Maybe, maybe not. I was listening to a podcast the other day and Reagan never acknowledged AIDs until the beginning of his second term when over 6K Americans had already died. |
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Post by mary2029 on Apr 8, 2020 17:07:37 GMT -5
I will ask my question again.... Has a VP selection ever been made from the pool of people who were in the primary to be President? I just don't think VP is a desirable position to them. Yes. Haven't you listed to "Hamilton"? John Adams was George Washington's VP (and initial competitor).  In recent times (although maybe not the exact circumstances you were looking for): * Gerald Ford chose Nelson Rockefeller after Nixon's resignation in 1974. Rockefeller ran for president in 1960, 1964 and 1968.
* Al Gore ran for president in 1988 and became VP in 1993.
I found one...
In 1960 Lyndon Johnson ran for president and then served under Kennedy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 8, 2020 17:10:37 GMT -5
I will ask my question again.... Has a VP selection ever been made from the pool of people who were in the primary to be President? I just don't think VP is a desirable position to them. Yes. Haven't you listed to "Hamilton"? John Adams was George Washington's VP (and initial competitor). In recent times (although maybe not the exact circumstances you were looking for): * Gerald Ford chose Nelson Rockefeller after Nixon's resignation in 1974. Rockefeller ran for president in 1960, 1964 and 1968.
* Al Gore ran for president in 1988 and became VP in 1993.
I found one...
In 1960 Lyndon Johnson ran for president and then served under Kennedy.
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