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Post by thyme4change on Apr 7, 2020 10:16:49 GMT -5
What do you think the amount of personal contact has been reduced by during this shut down?
We have been making fun of the number of exceptions that our state shut down has, but in reality, with many workplaces having everyone work from home, schools bring shut, most churches going online, restaurants and bars closed, curbside pickup for groceries, food (and many other things), concerts, movies and gatherings canceled, etc. How much of our personal contact as a whole country have we eliminated?
My guess is about 80%. What say you?
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Post by hoops902 on Apr 7, 2020 10:21:50 GMT -5
What do you think the amount of personal contact has been reduced by during this shut down? We have been making fun of the number of exceptions that our state shut down has, but in reality, with many workplaces having everyone work from home, schools bring shut, most churches going online, restaurants and bars closed, curbside pickup for groceries, food (and many other things), concerts, movies and gatherings canceled, etc. How much of our personal contact as a whole country have we eliminated? My guess is about 80%. What say you? I think it's probably closer to 90-95% or higher. At least if you count "outside the family" contact. It kind of depends how you count it. If I look at people sitting in cubicles who sit next to someone else for 8 hours a day, and now they sit at home...that's a LOT of contact if you're counting hours...but it's 1 person maybe. Ditto for "indirect" contact...I might never come within 6 feet of someone at work...but I'm touching doorknobs and stuff that 100 other people have touched...now I'm not touching any of that.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 7, 2020 10:43:47 GMT -5
What do you think the amount of personal contact has been reduced by during this shut down? We have been making fun of the number of exceptions that our state shut down has, but in reality, with many workplaces having everyone work from home, schools bring shut, most churches going online, restaurants and bars closed, curbside pickup for groceries, food (and many other things), concerts, movies and gatherings canceled, etc. How much of our personal contact as a whole country have we eliminated? My guess is about 80%. What say you? I think it's probably closer to 90-95% or higher. At least if you count "outside the family" contact. It kind of depends how you count it. If I look at people sitting in cubicles who sit next to someone else for 8 hours a day, and now they sit at home...that's a LOT of contact if you're counting hours...but it's 1 person maybe. Ditto for "indirect" contact...I might never come within 6 feet of someone at work...but I'm touching doorknobs and stuff that 100 other people have touched...now I'm not touching any of that. 80% was my low end. Came to work this morning because I need some of the contracts I have in binders, and the roadway was pretty lonely. But, I do still see people shopping at the grocery store, and around here a lot of people are out hiking and what-not. Construction still seems to be happening, but more of a single crew at once as opposed to having the general, the roofers, the plumbers and the electricians all working at once.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 7, 2020 11:09:14 GMT -5
It depends. TD walks Harriet with our neighbor and his dog twice/day. I brave the grocery store once/week. He gets take out once/week.
So while he is out more, by going to the grocery store I have more exposure to more people so think a greater risk.
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Post by bean29 on Apr 7, 2020 11:16:40 GMT -5
Trying to log into my Chase Business Account and it logged me out, told me it did not recognize my device (My phone I log in on all the time) and then sent me a "code to verify my identify. It was a log ass sting of what looked like Chinese characters. I have never seen a verification code so long, so I did not copy and paste it. But now I am on hold. they are only taking limited calls and even their on-line service is backed up b/c of PPP applications. Which is what I was trying to figure out to begin with - did they accept our application, or not?
I can't try to log in from my work computer because my browser is incompatible and it has not been updated.
I just feel like, hell everyone else is still open, how the hell come my bank is not essential too.
DH deposited a deposit the other day for work, and did not look at the receipt, and they did not record the $590 in cash he had in the deposit. He is just out that amount. That is actually a small amount of cash for him, on Saturdays I often have $3,000 or more in cash. You shouldn't have to deposit that kind of cash through a drive through window.
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Post by hoops902 on Apr 7, 2020 11:19:28 GMT -5
Trying to log into my Chase Business Account and it logged me out, told me it did not recognize my device (My phone I log in on all the time) and then sent me a "code to verify my identify. It was a log ass sting of what looked like Chinese characters. I have never seen a verification code so long, so I did not copy and paste it. But now I am on hold. they are only taking limited calls and even their on-line service is backed up b/c of PPP applications. Which is what I was trying to figure out to begin with - did they accept our application, or not?
I can't try to log in from my work computer because my browser is incompatible and it has not been updated.
I just feel like, hell everyone else is still open, how the hell come my bank is not essential too.
DH deposited a deposit the other day for work, and did not look at the receipt, and they did not record the $590 in cash he had in the deposit. He is just out that amount. That is actually a small amount of cash for him, on Saturdays I often have $3,000 or more in cash. You shouldn't have to deposit that kind of cash through a drive through window.
If he doesn't look at the receipt, how is he stopping this mistake happening in person vs via a drive-thru? How does having a window between him and the teller change anything in that transaction? I'd get it if the only option was deposit via an ATM...but I'm not following how having a window between 2 people changes the dynamic of that transaction.
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Post by justme on Apr 7, 2020 11:35:23 GMT -5
A couple places out there have tracking of movement based on phones. Which seems to be around 40% decreased. Granted that's not strictly personal contact.
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Post by CCL on Apr 7, 2020 11:38:14 GMT -5
Trying to log into my Chase Business Account and it logged me out, told me it did not recognize my device (My phone I log in on all the time) and then sent me a "code to verify my identify. It was a log ass sting of what looked like Chinese characters. I have never seen a verification code so long, so I did not copy and paste it. But now I am on hold. they are only taking limited calls and even their on-line service is backed up b/c of PPP applications. Which is what I was trying to figure out to begin with - did they accept our application, or not?
I can't try to log in from my work computer because my browser is incompatible and it has not been updated.
I just feel like, hell everyone else is still open, how the hell come my bank is not essential too.
DH deposited a deposit the other day for work, and did not look at the receipt, and they did not record the $590 in cash he had in the deposit. He is just out that amount. That is actually a small amount of cash for him, on Saturdays I often have $3,000 or more in cash. You shouldn't have to deposit that kind of cash through a drive through window.
That does sounds kinda fishy. Whenever Chase sends me a verification code it's an 8 digit number and not in Chinese.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 11:59:33 GMT -5
My neighbor across the street is 60 and his father lives next door and is in his mid-80s. Every single day they still get in the truck and drive to the local grocery store...
I see a lot of that here. It's rare to see someone in the grocery store with more than a day or two's worth of groceries. And, while the store employees are wearing masks and enforcing social distancing, pretty much no one else is paying it any mind.
I've personally set a limit of one grocery shopping day per week. But, I still end up going to the post office more often since a lot of the online stores like Amazon send their packages through the mail and we have no delivery here.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Apr 7, 2020 12:16:56 GMT -5
My neighbor across the street is 60 and his father lives next door and is in his mid-80s. Every single day they still get in the truck and drive to the local grocery store... I see a lot of that here. It's rare to see someone in the grocery store with more than a day or two's worth of groceries. And, while the store employees are wearing masks and enforcing social distancing, pretty much no one else is paying it any mind. I've personally set a limit of one grocery shopping day per week. But, I still end up going to the post office more often since a lot of the online stores like Amazon send their packages through the mail and we have no delivery here. Before all this I was probably at the grocery store once every few days (I'm terrible at lists and planning more than a few days ahead). I have been heavily supplementing with online delivery (meal kit and produce), so I made my first grocery store run in over three weeks this weekend.
It was such a bizarre and stressful experience I can't fathom doing that every day.
My personal contact has been reduced like 99%. Overall society I would put the estimate closer to 70-80% since we still have a fairly large number of essential workers and idiots who still aren't taking this seriously.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 7, 2020 15:19:59 GMT -5
Trying to log into my Chase Business Account and it logged me out, told me it did not recognize my device (My phone I log in on all the time) and then sent me a "code to verify my identify. It was a log ass sting of what looked like Chinese characters. I have never seen a verification code so long, so I did not copy and paste it. But now I am on hold. they are only taking limited calls and even their on-line service is backed up b/c of PPP applications. Which is what I was trying to figure out to begin with - did they accept our application, or not?
I can't try to log in from my work computer because my browser is incompatible and it has not been updated.
I just feel like, hell everyone else is still open, how the hell come my bank is not essential too.
DH deposited a deposit the other day for work, and did not look at the receipt, and they did not record the $590 in cash he had in the deposit. He is just out that amount. That is actually a small amount of cash for him, on Saturdays I often have $3,000 or more in cash. You shouldn't have to deposit that kind of cash through a drive through window.
That does sounds kinda fishy. Whenever Chase sends me a verification code it's an 8 digit number and not in Chinese. Chase makes me verify my account about once a month. Nothing in Chinese. I'd be wary of that.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 7, 2020 15:24:21 GMT -5
My personal contact is way down. My last outing in person to interact in the same room with another human being was on March 18.
Since then I've been doing pick up at the grocery store because they don't deliver out here. I open the hatchback and close it.
Tomorrow will be my 4th time doing that.
My prescription pick up was through the drive thru and I didn't even see the person I talked to. They used the tubes like bank drive thrus use.
Our banks are drive through only. Lobbies are closed.
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Post by Tiny on Apr 7, 2020 15:36:58 GMT -5
It's crazy - I went for a walk and was able to cross the 4 lanes of THE busiest street at a corner with out a stop light and without 'running' across. there was NO traffic. When I went out shopping by car, I made a left hand turn at a corner without a light at RUSH HOUR. Unheard of. Traffic is usually a constant 30-40mph on that street.
It's like it's then 1980's again - traffic wise. It's just scary. The street I mentioned above use to be a bit of a 'drag strip' on Friday and Saturday nights back in the 70's and 80's (don't ask me how I know this.). And then by the end of the 90's the traffic never let up so even at 10pm on a Saturday nite you can't do more than 40mph. It's weird now. big long stretches between cars going by.
(FWIW: as a GS kid - I use to cross the 4 lanes of that above busy street at a crossing without a light, to get to the library, the public pool, the cool playground, and the Rec Center (the towns public gym and rooms for clubs and such. There would be the same big long stretches between cars going by - and that was the late 70's/early 80s. )
I'd guesstimate that atleast 70 - 80% of the traffic is gone.
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Post by teen persuasion on Apr 7, 2020 16:04:56 GMT -5
Not sure how to gauge it.
Personally, I'm not face to face with 50-100 patrons daily. DH isn't in classes with students daily. DS5 isn't riding the bus with 60 kids daily, and in classes with an assortment of the 400 kids in his school, plus staff.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 7, 2020 16:04:58 GMT -5
My neighbor across the street is 60 and his father lives next door and is in his mid-80s. Every single day they still get in the truck and drive to the local grocery store... I see a lot of that here. It's rare to see someone in the grocery store with more than a day or two's worth of groceries. And, while the store employees are wearing masks and enforcing social distancing, pretty much no one else is paying it any mind. I've personally set a limit of one grocery shopping day per week. But, I still end up going to the post office more often since a lot of the online stores like Amazon send their packages through the mail and we have no delivery here. Why stock up if you are going to contract an illness and be in the hospital for weeks? You would come home to quite a mess!
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 7, 2020 16:17:20 GMT -5
A couple places out there have tracking of movement based on phones. Which seems to be around 40% decreased. Granted that's not strictly personal contact. Wow. That doesn't jibe with my experience. Traffic is definitely less than half - which would be my best observation of the broader world. I could also say that everyone I know, except nurses, are working from home, blah, blah. But that is personal to me and my people - all educated executive desk jockey type of people.
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Post by justme on Apr 7, 2020 16:20:01 GMT -5
A couple places out there have tracking of movement based on phones. Which seems to be around 40% decreased. Granted that's not strictly personal contact. Wow. That doesn't jibe with my experience. Traffic is definitely less than half - which would be my best observation of the broader world. I could also say that everyone I know, except nurses, are working from home, blah, blah. But that is personal to me and my people - all educated executive desk jockey type of people. www.google.com/covid19/mobility/a rabbit hole for anyone to go down There's more if you google. I forgot how I found it but there was one that tracked phones that were on a small section of Miami Beach during Spring break and how they moved around the world in the days after. Crazy!! ETA found it www.wtxl.com/news/florida-news/map-shows-covid-19s-potential-spread-from-spring-breakers
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Post by bean29 on Apr 7, 2020 16:56:05 GMT -5
Trying to log into my Chase Business Account and it logged me out, told me it did not recognize my device (My phone I log in on all the time) and then sent me a "code to verify my identify. It was a log ass sting of what looked like Chinese characters. I have never seen a verification code so long, so I did not copy and paste it. But now I am on hold. they are only taking limited calls and even their on-line service is backed up b/c of PPP applications. Which is what I was trying to figure out to begin with - did they accept our application, or not?
I can't try to log in from my work computer because my browser is incompatible and it has not been updated.
I just feel like, hell everyone else is still open, how the hell come my bank is not essential too.
DH deposited a deposit the other day for work, and did not look at the receipt, and they did not record the $590 in cash he had in the deposit. He is just out that amount. That is actually a small amount of cash for him, on Saturdays I often have $3,000 or more in cash. You shouldn't have to deposit that kind of cash through a drive through window.
If he doesn't look at the receipt, how is he stopping this mistake happening in person vs via a drive-thru? How does having a window between him and the teller change anything in that transaction? I'd get it if the only option was deposit via an ATM...but I'm not following how having a window between 2 people changes the dynamic of that transaction. Honestly Hoops it was an unusual transaction for him. It was for his Premium Trust Account. The company goes nuts if you are off even a penny or a dollar, and they don't like it if the total is right but your total amount of checks are off or your cash is off, but the total is correct. So we always check the total deposited. He harps on me about this every time I do a deposit for him, so I believe him when he says he was thrown off b/c he had to do his deposit via the drive through. The bank also would normally scold you if you did that type of deposit via drive through vs. going inside, so in a normal world, they would not choose to do the transaction via drive through. (ETA: When I go this over the widow, I usually have at least 2 deposits. There is a printout from his system that lists all the customer names and transaction amounts and type (Cash, CC, Check, Pended Bound etc) and then it totals cash, Checks and total. So when I get the receipt back from the teller I compare it to that printout, and that is what DH does too.
I kind of merged my two beefs with the bank together. I am royally pissed about how they are Handling Applications for the Paycheck Protection Program. There is no way for you to talk to a human.
I did an application on Saturday. It was too brief to be complete, but they indicated they would contact us when applications opened up. No correspondence from them. I see on boggleheads that people are able to now apply, so I go in and begin to apply. You answer a series of questions and then it tells you if you go beyond this point, you will not be able to change anything and your application will be submitted. I had already been trying to figure out how to change the phone number and the company name, but it would not let me. It was talking about a cell phone but the number shown was a landline for the office. I really looked it over trying to see where the cell number might be. Nada. Print the information put it in my file and click next. look down and I see my old house landline printed out. I could not go back. It then asked me to do a series of attestations and give them PDF's of my tax return, 941's, W-3, and Feburary Paryroll. I toggle over to my payroll program to get the info, and when I come back they have logged me out. I don't know if my application is submitted or not. but all over the place you are warned to only submit ONE application. I tried to call. They gave me a number and transferred me, but then I had to respond to voice prompts, and it tells me no one is available to help me leave a message. It then tells me the voice box is full and hangs up on me. My browser at work is incompatible with their website, so I drive all the way home, turn on my computer and go back in to application. again there are all kinds of warnings that if you already have an application started, don't start a new one. No way to talk to anyone, no where on their site to open an application in progress. I call DH and tell him I don't know what to do b/c the screen is basically indicating that once you go beyond that point your application is submitted. DH tells me to do it again. so I go to the next screen, answer the attestation questions upload the docs they want, go to the next screen, print a partial loan document, but it did not give me everything I filled in, and went to next screen and I got a message that said: We received your loan request Bean's DH! Your request will be reviewed and you will receive your loan decision via email. I screen shot it, because I did not trust them to send a confirmation. I go back to work, and about a half hour later DH calls me and says Chase sent him a message - ACTION NEEDED: Go online now to complete the next steps for your Paycheck Protection Program Loan. I am totally unsure if this is a result of the prior 2 tries t submit the app, or if it is after the application that I think is complete. But based on what DH was telling me, it sounds like they were asking him to complete the loan app from the beginning, so I don't think it was in response to me "completed app".
Being able to talk to someone at the branch sure would be nice.
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Post by bean29 on Apr 7, 2020 17:09:18 GMT -5
A couple places out there have tracking of movement based on phones. Which seems to be around 40% decreased. Granted that's not strictly personal contact. Wow. That doesn't jibe with my experience. Traffic is definitely less than half - which would be my best observation of the broader world. I could also say that everyone I know, except nurses, are working from home, blah, blah. But that is personal to me and my people - all educated executive desk jockey type of people. Considering schools are not in session, you would think traffic would be much lighter than it is in Wisconsin. I will venture to be that nearly 3/4 of people are going to work. When I walk my dogs in the am, I rarely see anyone. So I think quite a few people are working from home, so maybe 1/3, but I would venture to guess that it is not close to 50%.
I do think other than going to work, people are trying to stay home and socially distance from others. Tracking Phones in the US, I didn't think that was legal except if you gave permission - like to your auto insurer ( we have not) or to various stores so they can send you coupons when your are in the vicinity. So, Kohl's Target, and Macy's might be able to tell I have not been near their stores, but I don't know who else could legit be tracking me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 17:44:07 GMT -5
I'd put it here at more like the 60-70% level. People are at the grocery store. They are doing the "Tour of the Town" for take-out (a "game" that local restaurants came up with . . . you can win a prize if your name is drawn when this is over). The plumber came out here to fix a leaky toilet. My lawn service will be out on Friday because they are considered an "essential service."
And people are socializing. They are trying to stay 6 feet apart, but they are having happy hours from their driveways, etc. I am sure it helps, but I am not sure it helps enough.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 7, 2020 18:26:30 GMT -5
I'd put it here at more like the 60-70% level. People are at the grocery store. They are doing the "Tour of the Town" for take-out (a "game" that local restaurants came up with . . . you can win a prize if your name is drawn when this is over). The plumber came out here to fix a leaky toilet. My lawn service will be out on Friday because they are considered an "essential service." And people are socializing. They are trying to stay 6 feet apart, but they are having happy hours from their driveways, etc. I am sure it helps, but I am not sure it helps enough. The lawn guys are still working full schedules. I don't think there is much risk, as they bring their own equipment, and don't touch the house. The cleaning ladies seem to have some free time.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Apr 7, 2020 19:17:48 GMT -5
My neighbor across the street is 60 and his father lives next door and is in his mid-80s. Every single day they still get in the truck and drive to the local grocery store... I see a lot of that here. It's rare to see someone in the grocery store with more than a day or two's worth of groceries. And, while the store employees are wearing masks and enforcing social distancing, pretty much no one else is paying it any mind. I've personally set a limit of one grocery shopping day per week. But, I still end up going to the post office more often since a lot of the online stores like Amazon send their packages through the mail and we have no delivery here. Before all this I was probably at the grocery store once every few days (I'm terrible at lists and planning more than a few days ahead). I have been heavily supplementing with online delivery (meal kit and produce), so I made my first grocery store run in over three weeks this weekend.
It was such a bizarre and stressful experience I can't fathom doing that every day.
My personal contact has been reduced like 99%. Overall society I would put the estimate closer to 70-80% since we still have a fairly large number of essential workers and idiots who still aren't taking this seriously.
Same here. I went to the grocery store April 1. Yesterday I went to the post office to mail some face masks to family and friends. I don’t plan to go grocery shopping again until April 15 (and am considering taking my son up on his offer to shop for me). We had a playdate yesterday with a neighbor and her dog. Sitting outside 6’ apart.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 19:33:42 GMT -5
I'm going to the grocery store once a week during senior hour so very few people are there and almost all masked/gloved. Yard man comes weekly and we say howdy and convey instructions like "trim the oak tree" from more than 6' distance. Going to cleaners weekly to drop off/pick up cleaning and they observe all social distancing protocols. I've ordered pickup Easter Dinner from a local restaurant. Yes, we have almost no human contact at this point. I did take a legally blind neighbor to the grocery with me today because delivery and curbside pickup are not available. Since she leaves the house even less than I do, and she's ultra cautious on those rare outings, I felt comfortable with our trip together. Still, I sanitized the car and all the groceries when I got home, and she did too.
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Post by justme on Apr 7, 2020 20:38:45 GMT -5
Before all this I was probably at the grocery store once every few days (I'm terrible at lists and planning more than a few days ahead). I have been heavily supplementing with online delivery (meal kit and produce), so I made my first grocery store run in over three weeks this weekend.
It was such a bizarre and stressful experience I can't fathom doing that every day.
My personal contact has been reduced like 99%. Overall society I would put the estimate closer to 70-80% since we still have a fairly large number of essential workers and idiots who still aren't taking this seriously.
Same here. I went to the grocery store April 1. Yesterday I went to the post office to mail some face masks to family and friends. I don’t plan to go grocery shopping again until April 15 (and am considering taking my son up on his offer to shop for me). We had a playdate yesterday with a neighbor and her dog. Sitting outside 6’ apart. Ooh I could go get stamps when I go get groceries again to send my vacay postcards to the nieces. Or just say screw it and use the regular stamps I have floating around here
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Post by Ryan on Apr 7, 2020 22:49:40 GMT -5
It has to be 90% or more. I went to the grocery store about a week ago, yesterday I went to Costco. Outside of that, I haven't been in my car at all.
I get a little annoyed at the people on facebook whining about what everyone else is doing. Some people don't like the idea of getting in your car to go for a walk on a trail, they think if you want to take a walk, you should just go outside. They've even resorted to taking pictures and posting them online in an attempt to shame people in groups.
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Post by TheHaitian on Apr 7, 2020 23:00:29 GMT -5
And let me add... The PLANET IS LOVING IT!!!
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Post by andi9899 on Apr 8, 2020 8:03:15 GMT -5
My human interaction is down at least 95% now. I'm not working my PT job until further notice. That was were most of my peopling took place since it is retail working with the public. My FT job I'm working from home. I went to a few grocery stores this weekend to top off everything at the house and I now don't plan on leaving the house for the next two weeks. By then all the produce will need to be replaced amongst other grocery items. I'll top everything off and stay in another two weeks. Hopefully by then, the world is a little calmer place. We'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 8:10:49 GMT -5
It has to be 90% or more. I went to the grocery store about a week ago, yesterday I went to Costco. Outside of that, I haven't been in my car at all. I get a little annoyed at the people on facebook whining about what everyone else is doing. Some people don't like the idea of getting in your car to go for a walk on a trail, they think if you want to take a walk, you should just go outside. They've even resorted to taking pictures and posting them online in an attempt to shame people in groups. I know. Drives me nuts. We go for drives at least a couple days a week. Sometimes to trailheads and sometimes just to drive and look around. It's not like we're any more of a danger to ourselves or others in our car than we are at home and it goes a long way towards maintaining the mental health aspect than just sitting in our house and walking the same stretch of road day in and day out.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 8, 2020 8:15:42 GMT -5
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Post by countrygirl2 on Apr 8, 2020 8:40:38 GMT -5
trump will take care of that, getting rid of all the clean air acts he can. Once things ramp up again water and air will be awful like it used to, once again. So this is a tiny reprieve.
I honestly think that we have wars and pandemics when the earth gets overpopulated and it decreases the number of people. This time we are not letting it get rid of the numbers it would if no care. And no I'm not saying don't give care of people. I just think it needs the cleansing process to control the number of people on the earth. And since its not happening I believe we will have things like this more frequently until the population is reduced.
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