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Post by tractor on Mar 30, 2020 9:40:27 GMT -5
I will be really interested in getting tested when this is all over to see if I have it (or had it). I’ve had a “cold” going on 8 days now, constant nose running, some respiratory blockage (very minimal), occasional cough, and a sore throat on/off. I have never had a fever and otherwise feel fine.
My wife has the same and we’ve been isolating fairly well. No real fear of getting worse or having to go to the hospital. Am I building up an immunity? Don’t know, might just really be a cold..
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 30, 2020 9:40:37 GMT -5
I'm not spending the rest of my life in self imposed quarantine. Closing in on 70. At some point, I will decide I can no longer go on living like this. This actually isn't living. It's barely surviving. My in laws have decided that. We had a long discussion with them and finally decided to take the kids down. They are right they are in their upper 70s/80s how much longer do they really have? They are totally shut in right now (no church, no neighbors, nothing) and have decided they'd rather go out spending time with the grand kids than dying alone in the house.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 30, 2020 9:46:39 GMT -5
I will be really interested in getting tested when this is all over to see if I have it (or had it). I’ve had a “cold” going on 8 days now, constant nose running, some respiratory blockage (very minimal), occasional cough, and a sore throat on/off. I have never had a fever and otherwise feel fine. My wife has the same and we’ve been isolating fairly well. No real fear of getting worse or having to go to the hospital. Am I building up an immunity? Don’t know, might just really be a cold.. That's where I'm at, sort of. I have a very occasional cough that could totally just be due to my regular seasonal allergies, and my tendency to feel cold has always been there. The symptoms of covid19 can be so slight, who the hell knows?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 30, 2020 10:15:25 GMT -5
It would help considerably if they could get that antibody test released. It has been fast tracked by the FDA, but who knows how long the fast track takes. Testing the blood of a good portion of the public would help immeasurably in determining where we are in this pandemic. I don’t understand why this was not pushed as forcefully as testing for the virus as it provides as much.....if not more.....information.
TD came back from Buenos Aires sick, cough/fever but we were returning from Argentina before the first cases in this side of the world in early Jan. I felt crappy one day several days after we got back, no fever but things are blooming and I have allergies to something outside. So I have been hacking to what I assume is allergies. Mid hack, I wonder if it is allergies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 10:23:44 GMT -5
I would really be interested to know if older son's dad had it most of January/February. He had such a horrible respiratory thing going on with constant coughing. His wife was actually in the Hubei district at the time, but came home the day AFTER he went to urgent care in January, so we were thinking no way he could have got it from her, but her brother (who lives near Wuhan) was visiting over Christmas/New Years. He wasn't sick and it would have been quite a while from the time he left until ex got sick (over 2 weeks), but now I wonder. Especially since spent lots of time locked in a car with him visiting colleges that month. I have what I think is a psychosomatic cough. Kind of like the head itching thing you get when your kid has lice. I have a dry cough, but it seems to be only when I'm thinking about it. If I'm watching a good movie or reading a book it mysteriously goes away.
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Post by lurkyloo on Mar 30, 2020 10:24:57 GMT -5
It’s been speculated with some scientific basis that the virus doesn’t do as well in hot humid weather. Summer may help slow the spread (with the caveat that it’d be back in the fall). We‘re struggling because the entire world is naive to this virus with no native immunity. By exposure we are gradually starting to build up a sub population that is immune. Hence all the talk about curve flattening: the slower we build the exposed population the better a chance our hospitals will be able to deal with patient flow. I guess burn itself out isn’t a great way to put it, but at some point the population that is immune will present a natural check on the spread. Right now if you’re infected, most people you interact with would be susceptible and turn into a carrier if infected. If they had the antibodies to shut down the infection, then they wouldn’t turn into individual virus factories. So as you start to build herd immunity, single cases can hopefully stay as single cases rather than starting a chain of new infections. Clear as mud? I've been seeing the claim that the virus does not do well in hot, humid weather. I think it's bullshit. Human bodies are really hot and humid, and the virus is thriving in them. People are getting fevers of 105 and the virus is still continuing to spread. I think the reasoning is twofold: first, the virus will still spread person to person but people will be outside more and less cooped up with each other. Second, it doesn’t survive as well on surfaces with heat and humidity and uv light. So surface transmission might be reduced. I don’t think it would go away, I think the infectiousness factor would be reduced.
Nawlins apparently seeded like crazy at Mardi Gras in February. Still pretty cool there. I guess we’ll see if transmission starts to go down in Georgia and Lousiana et al.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 30, 2020 10:30:56 GMT -5
But it is in countries below the equator where it is summer right now.
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Post by bobosensei on Mar 30, 2020 10:56:25 GMT -5
I've been seeing the claim that the virus does not do well in hot, humid weather. I think it's bullshit. Human bodies are really hot and humid, and the virus is thriving in them. People are getting fevers of 105 and the virus is still continuing to spread. My understanding is that New Orleans is hot and humid, as well as Atlanta. They were whenever I've been there. Are they not so much yet this time of year? I am just outside of metro atlanta. We hit 80 degrees one day over the weekend, but forecast for high temps the next 10 days is between 55-75 degrees, mainly depending on the thunderstorms. This time of year high 60s and low 70s is typical. My understanding of heat helping is that in summer people are not all crowded on top of each other indoors as much so the direct contact spreading lessens. I've also heard people say that the virus won't live as long on hot surfaces. Not sure if that is true.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 30, 2020 11:02:27 GMT -5
I will be really interested in getting tested when this is all over to see if I have it (or had it). I’ve had a “cold” going on 8 days now, constant nose running, some respiratory blockage (very minimal), occasional cough, and a sore throat on/off. I have never had a fever and otherwise feel fine. My wife has the same and we’ve been isolating fairly well. No real fear of getting worse or having to go to the hospital. Am I building up an immunity? Don’t know, might just really be a cold.. I have been curious too. Around late January I got a respiratory illness that knocked me on my ass. I couldn't line up the symptoms so assumed it was a sinus infection, especially since no one around me was getting sick. About two weeks later DH came down with it. My coworkers got sick, my mom got sick, the kids had a cough and my dad got sick. I remember that distinctly because I was so shocked to find out I was contagious. I read a recent list and besides fever I had every single symptom of COVID. So. . .. Not saying I am going to go lick door knobs or cough all over people. However knowing if me and my family have already had it would make it a lot easier to manage things, especially since we continue to work outside the house. They need to get on that so people who have antibodies can be identified, labeled and get things going again. That's how they did it in SK. I'm sorry but considering we are leaders of the "free world" there is no reason we shouldn't have been on the ball faster when it comes to tests, especially if we were going to refuse help from WHO. I am getting REAL sick of people smugly saying "Well we aren't SK". Yeah no shit, we failed, and failed miserably. So please stop with your MAGA garbage in this scenario.
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Post by jerseygirl on Mar 30, 2020 11:13:55 GMT -5
Some diseases do decrease over time probably due to large numbers of people who are immune. Possibly this has occurred with Zika. A horrific disease causing horrible brain injuries in babies in utero
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Post by oped on Mar 30, 2020 11:29:36 GMT -5
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Post by wvugurl26 on Mar 30, 2020 11:36:56 GMT -5
I have a friend in Louisiana. His 18 month old was hospitalized in mid February. Offical diagnosis was virus that was causing him to have trouble breathing. I really wonder if it wasn't COVID.
The lack of an antibody test is annoying. I'm certain my coworker had it after returning from Iceland in early March. She said many people in her tour group were from China. She had a fever and stuff for at least 10 days. Her doctor couldn't test her and couldn't tell her where to go. By the time she was finally tested it was negative.
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Post by hoops902 on Mar 30, 2020 11:39:27 GMT -5
It’s been speculated with some scientific basis that the virus doesn’t do as well in hot humid weather. Summer may help slow the spread (with the caveat that it’d be back in the fall). We‘re struggling because the entire world is naive to this virus with no native immunity. By exposure we are gradually starting to build up a sub population that is immune. Hence all the talk about curve flattening: the slower we build the exposed population the better a chance our hospitals will be able to deal with patient flow. I guess burn itself out isn’t a great way to put it, but at some point the population that is immune will present a natural check on the spread. Right now if you’re infected, most people you interact with would be susceptible and turn into a carrier if infected. If they had the antibodies to shut down the infection, then they wouldn’t turn into individual virus factories. So as you start to build herd immunity, single cases can hopefully stay as single cases rather than starting a chain of new infections. Clear as mud? I've been seeing the claim that the virus does not do well in hot, humid weather. I think it's bullshit. Human bodies are really hot and humid, and the virus is thriving in them. People are getting fevers of 105 and the virus is still continuing to spread. I have to give some credit here...this is one of the all time great "I have no idea if you're being serious or sarcastic" posts that I've ever read. Mostly because there are some people I would be positive it is sarcasm, and some people I would be positive it is serious. And I have a feeling which it is from you, but I won't say in case I'm wrong lol.
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Post by swamp on Mar 30, 2020 11:50:02 GMT -5
I've been seeing the claim that the virus does not do well in hot, humid weather. I think it's bullshit. Human bodies are really hot and humid, and the virus is thriving in them. People are getting fevers of 105 and the virus is still continuing to spread. I have to give some credit here...this is one of the all time great "I have no idea if you're being serious or sarcastic" posts that I've ever read. Mostly because there are some people I would be positive it is sarcasm, and some people I would be positive it is serious. And I have a feeling which it is from you, but I won't say in case I'm wrong lol. I'm serious. the virus doesn't know if it's hanging out in a person or a rain forest. Temperature is temperature, no matter the host.
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Post by hoops902 on Mar 30, 2020 12:00:26 GMT -5
I have to give some credit here...this is one of the all time great "I have no idea if you're being serious or sarcastic" posts that I've ever read. Mostly because there are some people I would be positive it is sarcasm, and some people I would be positive it is serious. And I have a feeling which it is from you, but I won't say in case I'm wrong lol. I'm serious. the virus doesn't know if it's hanging out in a person or a rain forest. Temperature is temperature, no matter the host. So with the knowledge the virus can live in a person for 2 weeks...does that mean we're all fooling ourselves thinking the virus can live outside the human body for 3 days?
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Post by swamp on Mar 30, 2020 12:06:39 GMT -5
I'm serious. the virus doesn't know if it's hanging out in a person or a rain forest. Temperature is temperature, no matter the host. So with the knowledge the virus can live in a person for 2 weeks...does that mean we're all fooling ourselves thinking the virus can live outside the human body for 3 days? I don't think so. Viruses need a host to continue to live, they can't live on their own. It would make sense that they would die eventually without a host quicker than they would die in a living being. I'm no biologist or epidimologist, so I don't claim to have the answers.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 30, 2020 12:09:03 GMT -5
I'm serious. the virus doesn't know if it's hanging out in a person or a rain forest. Temperature is temperature, no matter the host. So with the knowledge the virus can live in a person for 2 weeks...does that mean we're all fooling ourselves thinking the virus can live outside the human body for 3 days? They have shown it can live outside the body scientifically. From what I understand, they were able to culture it from the cruise ship 17 (?) days after the passengers left the Diamond Princess. The virus needs a body (human) to replicate. But it does not need to replicate. Unlike other biological agents, since it has no metabolic processes (it hijacks cells metabolism) in order to replicate, it has no need to ‘eat’ to survive like other infectious agents.
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Post by lurkyloo on Mar 30, 2020 12:09:12 GMT -5
I have to give some credit here...this is one of the all time great "I have no idea if you're being serious or sarcastic" posts that I've ever read. Mostly because there are some people I would be positive it is sarcasm, and some people I would be positive it is serious. And I have a feeling which it is from you, but I won't say in case I'm wrong lol. I'm serious. the virus doesn't know if it's hanging out in a person or a rain forest. Temperature is temperature, no matter the host. The virus isn’t pumping out millions of copies of itself on a surface like it is inside a host. Also, outside a host it needs all its parts. Once it gets its RNA into a host cell the lipid envelope is irrelevant, I believe. I don’t want to get into a big argument, and I’m skeptical myself about how much it will help. But a 10-20% reduction in infection rate from warmer weather might both be possible and make a significant difference in total infections. Summer is coming anyway, if it wants to help out even a little I’ll take it.
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Post by hoops902 on Mar 30, 2020 12:09:40 GMT -5
So with the knowledge the virus can live in a person for 2 weeks...does that mean we're all fooling ourselves thinking the virus can live outside the human body for 3 days? I don't think so. Viruses need a host to continue to live, they can't live on their own. It would make sense that they would die eventually without a host quicker than they would die in a living being. I'm no biologist or epidimologist, so I don't claim to have the answers. I agree, I wasn't sure how to interpret your "It doesn't know if it's in a person or a rainforest".
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 30, 2020 12:11:59 GMT -5
Some diseases do decrease over time probably due to large numbers of people who are immune. Possibly this has occurred with Zika. A horrific disease causing horrible brain injuries in babies in utero Actually that was because Brazil launched a massive campaign to release genetically altered male mosquitoes. The males carry a gene that prevents the eggs of that particular species from hatching. It was a huge success and Zika disappeared practically overnight. Unfortunately not going to be able to do the same thing with COVID-19.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 30, 2020 12:19:26 GMT -5
I question how much effect temperature has on the virus. Brazil and Norway have about the same number of cases, yet they are very divergent temperatures right now. Granted, the population of Brazil is considerably larger, but then so is Brazil’s land mass.
The number of cases is merely a function of how many tests run, but until there is some consistency in testing, then it is the best of the crappy data we have.
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Post by lynnerself on Mar 30, 2020 13:55:04 GMT -5
Assuming that COVID19 acts like flu virus The Reason for the Season: why flu strikes in winter 1) During the winter, people spend more time indoors with the windows sealed, so they are more likely to breathe the same air as someone who has the flu and thus contract the virus (3).
2) Days are shorter during the winter, and lack of sunlight leads to low levels of vitamin D and melatonin, both of which require sunlight for their generation. This compromises our immune systems, which in turn decreases ability to fight the virus (3).
3) The influenza virus may survive better in colder, drier climates, and therefore be able to infect more people (3).
...... In case you’re wondering, this is only the case in places that experience winter. In warmer climates, oddly enough, flu infection rates are correlated most closely with high humidity and lots of rain (6). Unfortunately, not much research has been done to explain these contradictory results, so it’s unclear why the flu behaves so differently in disparate environments.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 30, 2020 14:12:56 GMT -5
The reason we are isolating at this point is to spread infections out and to safeguard the health of the most vulnerable. We are attempting to prevent a situation like NYC from happening elsewhere. If the medical system is overwhelmed, even if you don't get it, your health may be impacted, because people still have heart attacks, strokes, etc. If all the resources we have go to fighting this virus, other problems are ignored, and there are no resources to fight this. So we are buying time. If we can tamp down how fast this spreads, it gives us time to develop treatments and other testing, so we can get back to work and a more normal life. By slowing it down, if this acts like a normal virus, people will develop some immunity, so an infected person will infect less people, again, keeping the rate down. At some point, this process will lead to significant immunity that we don't have a crisis, and we may get lucky and someone may find a treatment that is easy to scale up.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 30, 2020 14:40:33 GMT -5
FWIW I get it and I don't really want to catch it or have anyone I love catch it. But as a person with anxiety and the the way the news covers it I can understand the appeal of WANTING to catch it and get it over with. I cannot be the only one in this boat.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 30, 2020 14:40:52 GMT -5
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 30, 2020 14:46:40 GMT -5
FWIW I get it and I don't really want to catch it or have anyone I love catch it. But as a person with anxiety and the the way the news covers it I can understand the appeal of WANTING to catch it and get it over with. I cannot be the only one in this boat. How do you know you will survive? That is what is bothersome. There is a subgroup that seems to have a response unlike others that is unpredictable.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 30, 2020 14:52:39 GMT -5
FWIW I get it and I don't really want to catch it or have anyone I love catch it. But as a person with anxiety and the the way the news covers it I can understand the appeal of WANTING to catch it and get it over with. I cannot be the only one in this boat. How do you know you will survive? That is what is bothersome. There is a subgroup that seems to have a response unlike others that is unpredictable. I don't but if the news is right and I am going to likely be dead in 18 months anyhow all I am doing is delaying the inevitable why wait? Again I know that is not logical and would never actually do that to my loved ones. Therefore by the grace of God go I that I am not on that precipice. I'm just saying that that part of me understands the appeal of getting it over with vs guarding my TP till the bitter end. I hope suicide hotlines are considered essential. If I'm having thoughts like this what are people in darker spaces thinking?
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 30, 2020 14:54:26 GMT -5
FWIW I get it and I don't really want to catch it or have anyone I love catch it. But as a person with anxiety and the the way the news covers it I can understand the appeal of WANTING to catch it and get it over with. I cannot be the only one in this boat. How do you know you will survive? That is what is bothersome. There is a subgroup that seems to have a response unlike others that is unpredictable. Back to Lord of the Rings: Pippin: It's so quiet.
Gandalf: It's the deep breath before the plunge.
Pippin: I don't want to be in a battle. But waiting on the edge of one I can't escape is even worse. I won't know if I will survive it or die until I get it.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 30, 2020 15:02:49 GMT -5
I've been seeing the claim that the virus does not do well in hot, humid weather. I think it's bullshit. Human bodies are really hot and humid, and the virus is thriving in them. People are getting fevers of 105 and the virus is still continuing to spread. My understanding is that New Orleans is hot and humid, as well as Atlanta. They were whenever I've been there. Are they not so much yet this time of year? It's that the virus may not SPREAD as easily during the 'summer' - because the virus MIGHT not have such a long life out side the human body and might not be able to be airborne as long in the humidity AND that people aren't spending so much time in close proximity indoors and breathing each other's air all the time. Influenza still infects people during the summer months - just not as many. It isn't until people are spending more time indoors in groups (winter time) that it really gets going and spreading more easily. I also think the "flu" tends to be more 'catchy' and 'spreadable' once the person has symptoms (or right before they have symptoms). Once you are actually sick people tend to distance themselves. The thing I find interesting about CV19 is that people can have it, not have any symptoms: feel fine, and be spreading it. If people without symptoms can shed the virus for days and days - then it won't matter what season it is - it will still get spread around.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 31, 2020 9:24:28 GMT -5
Anything is possible, but the studies so far have shown a very slow rate of mutation in the virus. I believe they’ve counted 8 genetic strains worldwide but they only differ by about 11 of 30,000 base pairs. So if and when they come up with a vaccine it ought to be good for a significant period of time. With all the silent cases going on at some point they will have to have a general test for antibodies in your blood so they can do a simple fingerprick test to find out if you already have immunity. I do sincerely hope this damn thing manages to burn itself out in the next four weeks or so. soooo - technical! I had seen somewhere that after beating it the first time, there is something like a 14% reinfection rate. Elsewhere I did see something alarming that it worse with the reinfection as opposed to first time. Can't recall where this was - do you have any sources on these kinds of questions?
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