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Post by deminmaine on Apr 9, 2020 7:32:12 GMT -5
You know the drill, it's fake news made up by the lib-turd snowflake media to bring down trump. The deep state wants him out too. I'm impressed that all these groups have been able to coordinate this vast conspiracy without leaking, or more aptly, leaking only what they want leaked to strategically damage Trump. They're good. after 911, i wrote Noam Chomsky to ask his opinion about the persistent rumors that 911 was a government op.
Chomsky actually wrote me back and told me that the government can't do much of anything in secret without it getting out these days. the idea that they could coordinate something that large is so unlikely as to be considered absurd.
the same goes for this, of course. but i know you were being sarcastic.
I'm impressed that Chomsky wrote you back!
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 9, 2020 7:56:30 GMT -5
Does that include accountability for his actions? I don’t think so
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Post by tbop77 on Apr 9, 2020 12:07:19 GMT -5
Does that include accountability for his actions? I don’t think so Leadership in Trump's world: THE BUCK DOES NOT STOP HERE!
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 9, 2020 12:12:13 GMT -5
Does that include accountability for his actions? I don’t think so Leadership in Trump's world: THE BUCK DOES NOT STOP HERE! Trump started his rise to the presidency with "I alone can fix this!" He's ending it with "Not my fault! I didn't know! Don't blame me! It's Obama's fault! It the fault of the WHO! Don't look at me!"
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 9, 2020 13:14:52 GMT -5
Not a petition I would sign. think there is a correlation between President Trump's appearances and the decreasing poll numbers of support for his handling of the crisis. CNN won't cut out trump anyway. If trump would stick with the actual facts and not make stuff, misstate, or insult the reporters, CNN wouldn't have to fact-check trump. Pence's office blocks public health officials from appearing on CNNNew York (CNN Business)Vice President Mike Pence's office has declined to allow the nation's top health officials to appear on CNN in recent days and discuss the coronavirus pandemic killing thousands of Americans, in an attempt to pressure the network into carrying the White House's lengthy daily briefings in full. Pence's office, which is responsible for booking the officials on networks during the pandemic, said it will only allow experts such as Dr. Deborah Birx or Dr. Anthony Fauci to appear on CNN if the network televises the portion of the White House briefings that includes the vice president and other coronavirus task force members. CNN often only broadcasts President Donald Trump's question and answer session, which sometimes includes the health care officials, live on-air. After Trump leaves the podium, CNN frequently cuts out of the White House briefing to discuss and fact-check what the President had said. A CNN executive said that the network usually returns to such programming because of the extensive length of the full briefing that includes Pence, which can run in excess of two hours. Complete article here: Pence's office blocks public health officials from appearing on CNN
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 9, 2020 14:33:13 GMT -5
after 911, i wrote Noam Chomsky to ask his opinion about the persistent rumors that 911 was a government op.
Chomsky actually wrote me back and told me that the government can't do much of anything in secret without it getting out these days. the idea that they could coordinate something that large is so unlikely as to be considered absurd.
the same goes for this, of course. but i know you were being sarcastic.
I'm impressed that Chomsky wrote you back! I was too.
but then again, I also had a really funny exchange with Wayne LaPierre. it is weird how "celebrities" respond to anonymous questions when asked in a thoughtful, intelligent way.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 9, 2020 14:34:35 GMT -5
on a side note: I am sad that the other thread on this subject got shut down. but then again, it started as a trolling post, so I guess that was predictable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 15:34:18 GMT -5
My response to the OP is no. No, trump isn't handling this whole mess correctly. "I alone can fix this." No, he can't. He hasn't. He needs to let the experts do what they can now that he's done everything in his power to eff it up worse than it ever should have been.
It certainly isn't helped by Pence barring public health officials from appearing on CNN (I'd assume any other network as well) unless they also broadcast trump's entire daily rally.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 9, 2020 16:29:36 GMT -5
Satire from The Borowitz ReportFauci Urges Trump to Attack the Coronavirus as if It Were an Inspector GeneralBy Andy Borowitz WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In what he described as a “potentially major breakthrough,” Dr. Anthony Fauci has convinced Donald Trump to attack covid-19 as if it were an inspector general. Fauci, who has been frustrated in his efforts to get through to Trump, compared the global pandemic to an inspector general while in a closed-door meeting with the President on Wednesday. “What do you hate more than anything, Mr. President?” Fauci asked. “Jim Acosta,” Trump immediately replied. “O.K., fine. But, besides Jim Acosta,” Fauci said, “it would be an inspector general, right?” “You’re right, Tony,” Trump agreed. “I hate those losers.” “Well, think of covid-19 as the worst inspector general in the world,” Fauci continued. “It’s overseeing everything you do and making you follow the law. It’s keeping you from spending taxpayer money on anything you want. You wouldn’t stand for that, would you?” Reportedly, Trump appeared shaken by Fauci’s analogy. “Damn it, Tony, when you put it that way, we’ve got to do something about covid-19,” he said. Rest of article here: Fauci Urges Trump to Attack the Coronavirus as if It Were an Inspector General
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Post by deminmaine on Apr 10, 2020 7:15:42 GMT -5
My response to the OP is no. No, trump isn't handling this whole mess correctly. "I alone can fix this." No, he can't. He hasn't. He needs to let the experts do what they can now that he's done everything in his power to eff it up worse than it ever should have been. It certainly isn't helped by Pence barring public health officials from appearing on CNN (I'd assume any other network as well) unless they also broadcast trump's entire daily rally. I apologize for being repetitive, but, we are grateful to our local broadcast station for their stance on his daily rants. When the briefings start, which is during their early news hour, they announce that they are starting, and inform viewers that if we wish to watch it we can do so on such and so channel or livestream. Then they continue on with the REAL news. Thank You WCSH-6 NewsCenter, Portland ME.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 10, 2020 9:21:20 GMT -5
My response to the OP is no. No, trump isn't handling this whole mess correctly. "I alone can fix this." No, he can't. He hasn't. He needs to let the experts do what they can now that he's done everything in his power to eff it up worse than it ever should have been. It certainly isn't helped by Pence barring public health officials from appearing on CNN (I'd assume any other network as well) unless they also broadcast trump's entire daily rally. I apologize for being repetitive, but, we are grateful to our local broadcast station for their stance on his daily rants. When the briefings start, which is during their early news hour, they announce that they are starting, and inform viewers that if we wish to watch it we can do so on such and so channel or livestream. Then they continue on with the REAL news. Thank You WCSH-6 NewsCenter, Portland ME. Trump Keeps Talking. Some Republicans Don’t Like What They’re Hearing.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 10, 2020 9:25:27 GMT -5
Tough questions.... What is a hamberder? Do you want any Covfefe? What is 2 plus 2? Why should I listen to experts? What kind of airplanes were they using to fight the revolutionary war?
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 10, 2020 9:55:10 GMT -5
My response to the OP is no. No, trump isn't handling this whole mess correctly. "I alone can fix this." No, he can't. He hasn't. He needs to let the experts do what they can now that he's done everything in his power to eff it up worse than it ever should have been. It certainly isn't helped by Pence barring public health officials from appearing on CNN (I'd assume any other network as well) unless they also broadcast trump's entire daily rally. I apologize for being repetitive, but, we are grateful to our local broadcast station for their stance on his daily rants. When the briefings start, which is during their early news hour, they announce that they are starting, and inform viewers that if we wish to watch it we can do so on such and so channel or livestream. Then they continue on with the REAL news. Thank You WCSH-6 NewsCenter, Portland ME. NBC10 in Boston is doing the same. they do broadcast the entirety of the governor's daily updates.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 10, 2020 10:29:07 GMT -5
Tough questions.... What is a hamberder? Do you want any Covfefe? What is 2 plus 2? Why should I listen to experts? What kind of airplanes were they using to fight the revolutionary war? I wonder if the accountability extends to his own mistakes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 10:49:00 GMT -5
pulmonarymd Accountability for his own mistakes? Surely you jest. He doesn't make mistakes. And he never apologizes. Don't forget that when he was asked, he said that he didn't take responsibility for any of it. Anybody remember that Reagan used to fall asleep in meetings, scramble sentences, had vacant looks in response to questions but not a word was said to the public about it? Makes me wonder when this administration regime is a sad footnote in history how many will have come forward to admit to the same thing with trump. Even after he's gone, will his fans still kowtow to his memory out of either "respect" or fear?
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 10, 2020 13:21:19 GMT -5
My response to the OP is no. No, trump isn't handling this whole mess correctly. "I alone can fix this." No, he can't. He hasn't. He needs to let the experts do what they can now that he's done everything in his power to eff it up worse than it ever should have been. It certainly isn't helped by Pence barring public health officials from appearing on CNN (I'd assume any other network as well) unless they also broadcast trump's entire daily rally. Trump believes his daily rallies are immensely successful because they get high ratings. That's why he wants all the networks to carry them. Ivanka needs to take him to the side and explain to him that getting high ratings does not mean that everyone watching you is enthralled and delighted at every word that comes out of your mouth. This is why his ratings, while getting a little bit of a bump at the start of this crisis (as all presidents do, during a crisis) very quickly reversed back down to pre-crisis levels.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 10, 2020 20:48:00 GMT -5
Trump administration shuttered pandemic monitoring program, then scrambled to extend itAs early indications of China's coronavirus outbreak emerged in late December, the Trump administration notified Congress it would still follow through with its plan to shutter a US Agency for International Development surveillance program tasked with detecting new, potentially dangerous infectious diseases and helping foreign labs stop emerging pandemic threats around the world. The administration ultimately backtracked nearly three months later, granting an emergency six-month extension for the program known as PREDICT on April 1. The extension allowed the US to provide "emergency support to other countries for outbreak response including technical support for early detection" of the virus that causes the disease Covid-19, according to a notice posted by University of California-Davis, one of the project's implementing partners. But by that time, the coronavirus outbreak had already been declared as a global pandemic by the World Health Organization and had claimed the lives of more than 4,300 people in the US. The administration planned to launch a successor project for PREDICT sometime in 2020 but did not appear to have an interim plan until that happened. The PREDICT program's cancellation and the subsequent scramble to secure an emergency extension reflects the Trump administration's broader pattern of dismantling or downsizing key offices and programs focused on protecting the US from a pandemic, despite multiple warnings in recent years about the need to prepare for such an event. It is also indicative of the Trump administration's seeming lack of urgency in the months leading up to the coronavirus outbreak in the US, even as the disease was beginning to ravage countries overseas. The PREDICT program was launched in 2009 and is tasked with monitoring zoonotic infectious diseases -- those that normally exist in animals but can jump to humans -- in an effort to help stop pandemics before they emerge. Nearly 75% of all new, emerging or re-emerging diseases affecting humans at the beginning of the 21st Century are zoonotic, according to USAID. Rest of article here: Trump administration shuttered pandemic monitoring program, then scrambled to extend it
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Post by tbop77 on Apr 10, 2020 21:51:23 GMT -5
"I don't know that I've had a bigger decision. But I'm going to surround myself with the greatest minds. Not only the greatest minds, but the greatest minds in numerous different businesses, including the business of politics and reason," Trump told reporters at a White House press briefing. "And we're going to make a decision, and hopefully it's going to be the right decision," he continued. "I will say this. I want to get it open as soon as we can." Asked what metrics he would use to come to a final conclusion, he pointed at his head, making clear he felt the burden will rest on his shoulders.www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-decision-on-reopening-us-the-biggest-of-his-life/ar-BB12slnY?ocid=spartandhpWe're in trouble folks!
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 10, 2020 21:58:02 GMT -5
Doomed is more like it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 13, 2020 0:59:22 GMT -5
"I don't know that I've had a bigger decision. But I'm going to surround myself with the greatest minds. Not only the greatest minds, but the greatest minds in numerous different businesses, including the business of politics and reason," Trump told reporters at a White House press briefing. "And we're going to make a decision, and hopefully it's going to be the right decision," he continued. "I will say this. I want to get it open as soon as we can." Asked what metrics he would use to come to a final conclusion, he pointed at his head, making clear he felt the burden will rest on his shoulders.www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-decision-on-reopening-us-the-biggest-of-his-life/ar-BB12slnY?ocid=spartandhpWe're in trouble folks! ok. this is something that bothered me from the beginning:
why does he think that businesspeople would have any idea how to control a pandemic?
it is not like controlling cash flow. it is not like stemming a financial loss. it is not like hiring the right people.
this is more like farming than it is like business.
clue to everyone, including Trump- businesspeople know business. and only if they are good at it. they don't know jack shit about disease control, viral transmission, deploying resources to a problem that grows 20% PER DAY, etc. you need a different kind of expert than that. and if you don't just intuitively know that, you are an idiot. sorry. no other word for it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 13, 2020 17:16:04 GMT -5
Targeting Obama, Trump set a standard that came back to haunt himAs is his wont, Donald Trump has spent weeks making the case that his response to the coronavirus pandemic is great -- at least when compared to Barack Obama's response to H1N1 in 2009. In fact, the incumbent president has been quite aggressive on the talking point, throwing around words like "debacle" and "disaster" to describe his predecessor's record. To bolster the point, Trump has pointed to a specific statistic, which he seems to believe drives the larger point home. This was his pitch during a White House press briefing a week ago today: "Take a look at the swine flu. Right? That's H1N1. Take a look at that. And it's not the other way around, by the way. It's H1N1. Take a look -- you know what I mean by that. Take a look at the swine flu. It was a disaster; 17,000 people died. The other administra- they didn't even know -- it was like they didn't even know it was here." A day later, the Republican repeated the statistic on Twitter, labeling the federal response to H1N1 a "debacle" because "17,000 people died." Complete article here: Targeting Obama, Trump set a standard that came back to haunt himThe current death count from the Covid-19 in the U.S. is 23,485 and counting.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 13, 2020 19:14:33 GMT -5
Targeting Obama, Trump set a standard that came back to haunt himAs is his wont, Donald Trump has spent weeks making the case that his response to the coronavirus pandemic is great -- at least when compared to Barack Obama's response to H1N1 in 2009. In fact, the incumbent president has been quite aggressive on the talking point, throwing around words like "debacle" and "disaster" to describe his predecessor's record. To bolster the point, Trump has pointed to a specific statistic, which he seems to believe drives the larger point home. This was his pitch during a White House press briefing a week ago today: "Take a look at the swine flu. Right? That's H1N1. Take a look at that. And it's not the other way around, by the way. It's H1N1. Take a look -- you know what I mean by that. Take a look at the swine flu. It was a disaster; 17,000 people died. The other administra- they didn't even know -- it was like they didn't even know it was here." A day later, the Republican repeated the statistic on Twitter, labeling the federal response to H1N1 a "debacle" because "17,000 people died." Complete article here: Targeting Obama, Trump set a standard that came back to haunt himThe current death count from the Covid-19 in the U.S. is 23,485 and counting. Was it 17k? Was that over a year, or two years? Or 2 months?
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 13, 2020 19:33:59 GMT -5
Targeting Obama, Trump set a standard that came back to haunt himAs is his wont, Donald Trump has spent weeks making the case that his response to the coronavirus pandemic is great -- at least when compared to Barack Obama's response to H1N1 in 2009. In fact, the incumbent president has been quite aggressive on the talking point, throwing around words like "debacle" and "disaster" to describe his predecessor's record. To bolster the point, Trump has pointed to a specific statistic, which he seems to believe drives the larger point home. This was his pitch during a White House press briefing a week ago today: "Take a look at the swine flu. Right? That's H1N1. Take a look at that. And it's not the other way around, by the way. It's H1N1. Take a look -- you know what I mean by that. Take a look at the swine flu. It was a disaster; 17,000 people died. The other administra- they didn't even know -- it was like they didn't even know it was here." A day later, the Republican repeated the statistic on Twitter, labeling the federal response to H1N1 a "debacle" because "17,000 people died." Complete article here: Targeting Obama, Trump set a standard that came back to haunt himThe current death count from the Covid-19 in the U.S. is 23,485 and counting. Was it 17k? Was that over a year, or two years? Or 2 months? link
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"I don't know that I've had a bigger decision. But I'm going to surround myself with the greatest minds. Not only the greatest minds, but the greatest minds in numerous different businesses, including the business of politics and reason," Trump told reporters at a White House press briefing. "And we're going to make a decision, and hopefully it's going to be the right decision," he continued. "I will say this. I want to get it open as soon as we can." Asked what metrics he would use to come to a final conclusion, he pointed at his head, making clear he felt the burden will rest on his shoulders.www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-decision-on-reopening-us-the-biggest-of-his-life/ar-BB12slnY?ocid=spartandhpWe're in trouble folks! ok. this is something that bothered me from the beginning:
why does he think that businesspeople would have any idea how to control a pandemic?
it is not like controlling cash flow. it is not like stemming a financial loss. it is not like hiring the right people.
this is more like farming than it is like business.
clue to everyone, including Trump- businesspeople know business. and only if they are good at it. they don't know jack shit about disease control, viral transmission, deploying resources to a problem that grows 20% PER DAY, etc. you need a different kind of expert than that. and if you don't just intuitively know that, you are an idiot. sorry. no other word for it.
Proof of that - a big pork processing plant had to shut down yesterday because pretty much everyone who worked there has the CV19.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 14, 2020 11:55:22 GMT -5
ok. this is something that bothered me from the beginning:
why does he think that businesspeople would have any idea how to control a pandemic?
it is not like controlling cash flow. it is not like stemming a financial loss. it is not like hiring the right people.
this is more like farming than it is like business.
clue to everyone, including Trump- businesspeople know business. and only if they are good at it. they don't know jack shit about disease control, viral transmission, deploying resources to a problem that grows 20% PER DAY, etc. you need a different kind of expert than that. and if you don't just intuitively know that, you are an idiot. sorry. no other word for it.
Proof of that - a big pork processing plant had to shut down yesterday because pretty much everyone who worked there has the CV19. Not the bacon....noooooooo
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 14, 2020 12:25:11 GMT -5
Proof of that - a big pork processing plant had to shut down yesterday because pretty much everyone who worked there has the CV19. Not the bacon....noooooooo Shit is getting real now!
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 14, 2020 12:47:10 GMT -5
With 23,000 Americans dead and millions without a paycheck, President Donald Trump dimmed the lights in the White House briefing room, fired up a misleading propaganda video and boiled over. In one of the most unchained presidential tantrums ever captured on television, Trump's Monday display flouted every notion of calm leadership by the commander in chief in a crisis. www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-governors-economy/index.html
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Post by swamp on Apr 14, 2020 12:58:43 GMT -5
With 23,000 Americans dead and millions without a paycheck, President Donald Trump dimmed the lights in the White House briefing room, fired up a misleading propaganda video and boiled over. In one of the most unchained presidential tantrums ever captured on television, Trump's Monday display flouted every notion of calm leadership by the commander in chief in a crisis. www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-governors-economy/index.htmlBut he's getting great ratings!!!! I can't even with him anymore. I'm going to go crawl under a rock. Come get me in November. If he wins, leave me there another 4 years.
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