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Post by movingforward on Apr 7, 2020 22:14:09 GMT -5
Going without AC where I live would only cause more deaths. We have had elderly people without AC die in the past from heat stroke. Temperatures are over 100 degrees most days in the summer.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 7, 2020 22:31:33 GMT -5
If I have to chose between catching a potentially deadly disease or not having AC in the summer in Phoenix, I'm pretty sure I would take my chances with Covid.
Maybe if I could go up north for a few months....
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Post by giramomma on Apr 8, 2020 8:42:13 GMT -5
If I have to chose between catching a potentially deadly disease or not having AC in the summer in Phoenix, I'm pretty sure I would take my chances with Covid. Maybe if I could go up north for a few months.... The up north folks in my state don't even want the folks living 4 hours south of them coming up north.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 8, 2020 8:53:35 GMT -5
If I have to chose between catching a potentially deadly disease or not having AC in the summer in Phoenix, I'm pretty sure I would take my chances with Covid. Maybe if I could go up north for a few months.... No. Stay home.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 8, 2020 8:56:05 GMT -5
I'm wondering about colleges next school year. Or all schools I guess... College will just continue to go online. I can see folks that need do to do co-ops and internships to be an issue. At our CoE, the kids have to do two co-op/internships before they graduate. Some labs could be an issue..(HAHAHA, that will piss folks off, having liberal arts folks having no problems graduating and getting out into the workforce.)
Its the research part that's the big loss. My university is expecting a 100 million loss from the shutdown.
I would hope to god that they have better testing capabilities in 5 months, in terms of testing for antibodies and what not. If they don't...
I imagine our private school will just go on as usual. The public schools are a shit show right now. If that happens, long term, I'll probably just stop college classes for a year (wouldn't be ideal, but I still have 3 more years to graduate and i only need 3 more classes)..and DH will continue to manage everything as we are now, working some non-traditional hours a then one of us is with the kids at all times. I hate to be insensitive, but we've always done everything "right" except for having Miss M. It's not a sexy life at ALL. But, in times like this...it's more just business as usual for us.
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Post by gs11rmb on Apr 8, 2020 9:44:11 GMT -5
One of the many things that's bothering me is the persistent assumption that the vaccine will be ready in 18 months. I read a couple of articles recently that said that timeline was very optimistic: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/coronavirus-vaccine-is-coming-in-a-year-to-18-months-show-meI'm a huge believer in vaccines but recognize that rushing one into production could have some terrible long-term consequences, not the least of which would be undermining general faith in the efficacy of common vaccines.
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Post by oped on Apr 8, 2020 9:45:31 GMT -5
Yes my son is on the first of his 3 co ops now.... or should i say not on... there are learning modules for resume/portfolio/interview etc. building... but that might be a 9 week term's worth... it's very hard to place kids right now, many canceled.... lots of places are interested in their own people working, students are understandably not a first priority. I'm hoping Summer Term he will have something at least remotely as things settle down into more routine at least.
Daughter is focused on August and return to normalcy at school. I'm trying not to put any damper on that at this point as we really just don't know.
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Post by oped on Apr 8, 2020 9:46:54 GMT -5
One of the many things that's bothering me is the persistent assumption that the vaccine will be ready in 18 months. I read a couple of articles recently that said that timeline was very optimistic: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/coronavirus-vaccine-is-coming-in-a-year-to-18-months-show-meI'm a huge believer in vaccines but recognize that rushing one into production could have some terrible long-term consequences, not the least of which would be undermining general faith in the efficacy of common vaccines. Gates has said he will produce the top 7 candidates DURING the testing phases, and anything that doesn't work regardless of cost... so that we can get a few months on the process anyway. I originally thought that meant the year timeframe was more likely but apparently that just makes the 18 months more reasonable?
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 8, 2020 10:56:46 GMT -5
If I have to chose between catching a potentially deadly disease or not having AC in the summer in Phoenix, I'm pretty sure I would take my chances with Covid. Maybe if I could go up north for a few months.... No. Stay home. Easy for you to say. It can be 125 degrees inside my house.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 8, 2020 10:59:07 GMT -5
If I have to chose between catching a potentially deadly disease or not having AC in the summer in Phoenix, I'm pretty sure I would take my chances with Covid. Maybe if I could go up north for a few months.... The up north folks in my state don't even want the folks living 4 hours south of them coming up north. I'd only go 2 hours north.
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Post by lurkyloo on Apr 8, 2020 11:07:45 GMT -5
MD‘s infection rate may possibly be trending downwards. I am cautiously hopeful. I’m also doing my eyesight no favors trying to line up the infections-discovered curve with the CV-associated deaths curve. It looks like the lag is about 5 days? That seems too short. Aaaand the daily infection rate quadrupled overnight. Imma stop talking now.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 8, 2020 11:09:54 GMT -5
Daughter is focused on August and return to normalcy at school. I'm trying not to put any damper on that at this point as we really just don't know. I'm still sort of optimistic that we'll be able to move forward in August. That will be despite the leadership.
On a small scale, it took 3.5 weeks for everything to level out at the grocery store we shop at. That's combining folks panic shopping as well as increased foot traffic for those who have to cook now, instead of eating out. It's also the same store that my son works at, which was one of the first to be ahead of providing a more safe environment for everyone.
I have hope, that despite leadership, we'll get there...that businesses will figure it out and be the leaders.
We should get to a point where we move beyond simply reacting.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 8, 2020 11:15:06 GMT -5
Yes my son is on the first of his 3 co ops now.... or should i say not on... there are learning modules for resume/portfolio/interview etc. building... but that might be a 9 week term's worth... it's very hard to place kids right now, many canceled.... lots of places are interested in their own people working, students are understandably not a first priority. I'm hoping Summer Term he will have something at least remotely as things settle down into more routine at least. Daughter is focused on August and return to normalcy at school. I'm trying not to put any damper on that at this point as we really just don't know. Fauci predicts schools will open in fall. Not that he can see the future or is infallible, but believing him, or at least hoping he is correct, isn't the worst source of info to align yourself with. Plus, not much to do now but wait.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 8, 2020 11:23:01 GMT -5
Easy for you to say. It can be 125 degrees inside my house. I meant stay home and use your air! I don't plan on shutting my air off. My oldest has her bedroom on the third floor. She has had the air on in her room for a couple of days already (we don't have central air but we have a split system).
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Post by movingforward on Apr 8, 2020 11:32:20 GMT -5
I had to stop by the post office to pick up company mail and decided to run a couple of other errands while I was out (I try to limit errands to only once per week so good to just get it all done). At least 90% of the people I saw were wearing some sort of face mask. At least half of those people were messing with them or taking them on and off...I'm not so sure all this messing with your face trying to adjust your mask is helping stop spread the virus. They have touched all kinds of crap in the store and then are standing in line adjusting their mask or taking it off once they get to the register. Hmmmm...yeah, not thinking that is helping.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Apr 8, 2020 11:34:08 GMT -5
Daughter is focused on August and return to normalcy at school. I'm trying not to put any damper on that at this point as we really just don't know. I'm still sort of optimistic that we'll be able to move forward in August. That will be despite the leadership.
On a small scale, it took 3.5 weeks for everything to level out at the grocery store we shop at. That's combining folks panic shopping as well as increased foot traffic for those who have to cook now, instead of eating out. It's also the same store that my son works at, which was one of the first to be ahead of providing a more safe environment for everyone.
I have hope, that despite leadership, we'll get there...that businesses will figure it out and be the leaders.
We should get to a point where we move beyond simply reacting.
We should get to a point where we move beyond simply reacting. I think we can get to the point of being proactive if/when we have widespread testing and contact tracing. The states with relatively few cases have the opportunity to do that now
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 11:38:19 GMT -5
One of the many things that's bothering me is the persistent assumption that the vaccine will be ready in 18 months. I read a couple of articles recently that said that timeline was very optimistic: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/coronavirus-vaccine-is-coming-in-a-year-to-18-months-show-meI'm a huge believer in vaccines but recognize that rushing one into production could have some terrible long-term consequences, not the least of which would be undermining general faith in the efficacy of common vaccines. I was watching Fauci at some point and he made the point that just developing the vaccine is only a small part of the problem. He said the biggest problem is then ramping it up to vaccinate everyone and that could take a long time and require prioritization of who gets the vaccine and who doesn't.
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Post by oped on Apr 8, 2020 12:42:28 GMT -5
Yes my son is on the first of his 3 co ops now.... or should i say not on... there are learning modules for resume/portfolio/interview etc. building... but that might be a 9 week term's worth... it's very hard to place kids right now, many canceled.... lots of places are interested in their own people working, students are understandably not a first priority. I'm hoping Summer Term he will have something at least remotely as things settle down into more routine at least. Daughter is focused on August and return to normalcy at school. I'm trying not to put any damper on that at this point as we really just don't know. Fauci predicts schools will open in fall. Not that he can see the future or is infallible, but believing him, or at least hoping he is correct, isn't the worst source of info to align yourself with. Plus, not much to do now but wait. To me local schools are different then colleges... come in from all over, though. But yes we can only wait and see.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 8, 2020 15:01:15 GMT -5
The one website updated so that it says Michigan peaked on it's use of hospital resources yesterday. New cases are down today from yesterday and prior. Peak deaths is projected for tomorrow. I don't know if their methodology is the greatest, but it's at least a measuring stick to look at.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 9, 2020 17:53:13 GMT -5
Stretched out to 7 days now in Michigan. The governor just expanded the SAH order to limit shopping. An old HS classmate is in an uproar over it on FB. I'm not happy about it either, but there is a reason for it.
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Post by haapai on Apr 9, 2020 18:27:23 GMT -5
The one website updated so that it says Michigan peaked on it's use of hospital resources yesterday. New cases are down today from yesterday and prior. Peak deaths is projected for tomorrow. I don't know if their methodology is the greatest, but it's at least a measuring stick to look at. You're not the only one watching projected peak dates and holding their breath. Even folks who don't care a bit about MI are watching New York (and New Jersey behind it) and getting quite nervous. There's definite flattening, but it's not happening as quickly as the lines on the projection that we've been following would lead us to hope for. All three states have pretty lousy testing capacity, which has now been shown to affect our reported number of Covic-19 deaths, and I don't know what that means. I'm trying to be rational, and hopeful, and not a scaremonger, but I'm not sleeping or digesting well.
It burns my cheese that even after NY and NJ have peaked, we won't have learned much due to their highly constrained testing.
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Post by jerseygirl on Apr 9, 2020 18:51:17 GMT -5
Living in NJ and with family in NYC and state is very upsetting to all to see the daily deaths. Yes great that new hospitalization is decreasing but we keep hearing the numbers of deaths, seeing our overwhelmed hospitals and it’s depressing and making all so sad. Yes we know the limits of testing but truthfully our medical systems are overwhelmed just trying to take care of terribly sick neighbors family and friends. Can we shift many of the health care workers to do mass testing now? Probably not and most people don’t care, it’s just s theoretical concern and not the huge worry that is about so many sick and dying. We read the Wall Street journal and s local paper. In the local paper there are usually one page of obituaries, now its a whole section at least 10 pages and this is just a rather small area. You can see and hear the worry when calling family, taking a walk and seeing neighbors, not knowing if people you know that work in the local grocery will be ok, do people have enough money for rent, food and on and on We hate this
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 9, 2020 18:53:53 GMT -5
The one website updated so that it says Michigan peaked on it's use of hospital resources yesterday. New cases are down today from yesterday and prior. Peak deaths is projected for tomorrow. I don't know if their methodology is the greatest, but it's at least a measuring stick to look at. You're not the only one watching projected peak dates and holding their breath. Even folks who don't care a bit about MI are watching New York (and New Jersey behind it) and getting quite nervous. There's definite flattening, but it's not happening as quickly as the lines on the projection that we've been following would lead us to hope for. All three states have pretty lousy testing capacity, which has now been shown to affect our reported number of Covic-19 deaths, and I don't know what that means. I'm trying to be rational, and hopeful, and not a scaremonger, but I'm not sleeping or digesting well.
It burns my cheese that even after NY and NJ have peaked, we won't have learned much due to their highly constrained testing.
Oh, I hear you. The lack of testing makes everything a shot in the dark. I really think MI must have had cases substantially before the first one discovered in the state. That's the only thing that really explains the numbers in my mind, anyway.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Apr 10, 2020 0:47:44 GMT -5
You folks must not have heard the latest pronouncements from his eminence today. The feds are going to stop paying for testing, going to put it on the states and municipalities, so I would say that will effectively stop it. He is not wanting to see those numbers rise. So I guess we will all be in the dark.
As of today little Indiana had almost 6000 cases and 240 dead. going like crazy here.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 10, 2020 7:58:46 GMT -5
I'm sure despite the knowledge being readily available about social distancing, there will be get-togethers for Easter where households mix and match whatever germs they have.
There will be Easter again next year and I'm expecting to see an increase in cases once again because people don't have the sense to stay home.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 10, 2020 8:40:58 GMT -5
You folks must not have heard the latest pronouncements from his eminence today. The feds are going to stop paying for testing, going to put it on the states and municipalities, so I would say that will effectively stop it. He is not wanting to see those numbers rise. So I guess we will all be in the dark. As of today little Indiana had almost 6000 cases and 240 dead. going like crazy here. I try to avoid his eminance like I try to avoid coronavirus. I figure the important stuff filters through to me. That's awful about the testing. How many people have to suffer/die before they realize the truth?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 10, 2020 8:42:54 GMT -5
You folks must not have heard the latest pronouncements from his eminence today. The feds are going to stop paying for testing, going to put it on the states and municipalities, so I would say that will effectively stop it. He is not wanting to see those numbers rise. So I guess we will all be in the dark. As of today little Indiana had almost 6000 cases and 240 dead. going like crazy here. This was dialed back.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 10, 2020 8:46:15 GMT -5
That's awful about the testing. How many people have to suffer/die before they realize the truth? Remember, this all a hoax, something insignificant that will just go away. That said, it also sounds like an anti-body test maybe coming soon...so maybe they will just switching gears in order to open faster.
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Post by jerseygirl on Apr 10, 2020 9:39:36 GMT -5
That's awful about the testing. How many people have to suffer/die before they realize the truth? Remember, this all a hoax, something insignificant that will just go away. That said, it also sounds like an anti-body test maybe coming soon...so maybe they will just switching gears in order to open faster. Antibody testing should be more useful
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 10, 2020 9:50:24 GMT -5
That's awful about the testing. How many people have to suffer/die before they realize the truth? Remember, this all a hoax, something insignificant that will just go away. That said, it also sounds like an anti-body test maybe coming soon...so maybe they will just switching gears in order to open faster. This has been coming soon for at least 3 weeks now. Logically, I think that they need to start testing the blood bank contributions that have been taken the past month. By doing this, that gives them an idea of the extent of the infected, asymptomatic carriers. I know that the last time I gave blood, I had to sign a fairly broad informed consent in that they had the right to test my blood for a list of various factors. Adding covid 19 antibody testing would be a non issue.
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