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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 25, 2020 20:10:41 GMT -5
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Post by obelisk on Mar 25, 2020 21:39:55 GMT -5
We need to release all low level prisoners into your neighborhood from jail in Cook county without supervision. How do you feel now?
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Post by dondub on Mar 25, 2020 22:04:51 GMT -5
We need to release all low level prisoners into your neighborhood from jail in Cook county without supervision. How do you feel now?
Like an idiot released themself in her neighborhood.
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Post by giramomma on Mar 26, 2020 9:23:14 GMT -5
That sounds great...but who is going to manage parole and all that? Or are you suggesting that folks just get released que sera sera?
Who is going to feed, clothe and house the newly released prisoners?
Businesses are shut down. Pretty sure retailers don't want to hire folks who have been convicted of theft.. Or who face the general public while being high. And I also think for some essential jobs, being high on the job could not be good..
Many households are freaking out because they can't afford to go without a paycheck for a month. So on top of that, we're asking folks to take in 1K people? Increasing costs will not make budgets stretch. That's going to push people on the edge further on the edge.
Or, should we house them on college campuses? On my college campus, the plan is to use empty dorms as a make shift hospitals if/when the pandemic gets worse. Perhaps we could ask folks to choose, should ex-prisoners get the housing or sick patients?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 26, 2020 10:22:17 GMT -5
My thought is that at this point the prisoners are exactly where they need to be.....isolated in place, like most of the rest of the US.
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Post by souldoubt on Mar 26, 2020 10:23:05 GMT -5
In 2014 CA passed prop 47 which converted non-violent crimes like property and drug offenses from felonies to misdemeanors. Essentially a non violent crime resulting in less than $950 in damages or theft is basically no longer a crime and cops won't even bother with it. This has resulted in an increase in shop lifting, car burglaries and other theft. Be careful what you wish for because if people know they're going to get out of jail for petty offenses or not go to jail at all for it they will take advantage.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 26, 2020 10:25:48 GMT -5
I'm all for prison reform but right now where would all those people go? You also don't know which prisoners were infected recently and you'd be sending them out into the public. A lot of landlords will not rent to former criminals so you're going to now have a larger homeless population to try to track.
As unfortunate as it is probably the best thing is for them to stay put for now. However we do need to have a discussion about our for profit prison system in this country at some point.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2020 10:51:14 GMT -5
I'm all for prison reform but right now where would all those people go? You also don't know which prisoners were infected recently and you'd be sending them out into the public. A lot of landlords will not rent to former criminals so you're going to now have a larger homeless population to try to track. As unfortunate as it is probably the best thing is for them to stay put for now. However we do need to have a discussion about our for profit prison system in this country at some point. I’m one of those landlords. I make no exceptions so I can never be accused of any kind of discrimination against anyone.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 26, 2020 19:34:02 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2020 14:13:39 GMT -5
We need to release all low level prisoners into your neighborhood from jail in Cook county without supervision. How do you feel now?
fine.
not the answer you expected?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2020 14:14:42 GMT -5
I'm all for prison reform but right now where would all those people go? You also don't know which prisoners were infected recently and you'd be sending them out into the public. A lot of landlords will not rent to former criminals so you're going to now have a larger homeless population to try to track. As unfortunate as it is probably the best thing is for them to stay put for now. However we do need to have a discussion about our for profit prison system in this country at some point. plenty of empty government buildings.
the trick is actually giving a shit.
we don't.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2020 14:15:41 GMT -5
That sounds great...but who is going to manage parole and all that? Or are you suggesting that folks just get released que sera sera?Who is going to feed, clothe and house the newly released prisoners? Businesses are shut down. Pretty sure retailers don't want to hire folks who have been convicted of theft.. Or who face the general public while being high. And I also think for some essential jobs, being high on the job could not be good.. Many households are freaking out because they can't afford to go without a paycheck for a month. So on top of that, we're asking folks to take in 1K people? Increasing costs will not make budgets stretch. That's going to push people on the edge further on the edge. Or, should we house them on college campuses? On my college campus, the plan is to use empty dorms as a make shift hospitals if/when the pandemic gets worse. Perhaps we could ask folks to choose, should ex-prisoners get the housing or sick patients? 3M people looking for work as of this week.
again, if we gave a shit.......
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Post by giramomma on Mar 27, 2020 14:50:54 GMT -5
3M people looking for work as of this week.
again, if we gave a shit.......
It's not an issue of giving shit. It's an issue of better/worse timing. And I don't know about you, but in my years on this earth, decisions based on emotional knee-jerk reactions are usually the worst ones. Decisions based on well-thought out plans made in normal times, instead of a crisis situation, usually go a tad better.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2020 15:04:51 GMT -5
3M people looking for work as of this week.
again, if we gave a shit.......
It's not an issue of giving shit. It's an issue of better/worse timing. And I don't know about you, but in my years on this earth, decisions based on emotional knee-jerk reactions are usually the worst ones. Decisions based on well-thought out plans made in normal times, instead of a crisis situation, usually go a tad better. well, if it makes you feel any better, I have been thinking this for a couple of decades. I am not "reacting".
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 27, 2020 15:11:15 GMT -5
I'm all for prison reform but right now where would all those people go? You also don't know which prisoners were infected recently and you'd be sending them out into the public. A lot of landlords will not rent to former criminals so you're going to now have a larger homeless population to try to track. As unfortunate as it is probably the best thing is for them to stay put for now. However we do need to have a discussion about our for profit prison system in this country at some point. plenty of empty government buildings.
the trick is actually giving a shit.
we don't.
True.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 27, 2020 15:37:59 GMT -5
It's not an issue of giving shit. It's an issue of better/worse timing. And I don't know about you, but in my years on this earth, decisions based on emotional knee-jerk reactions are usually the worst ones. Decisions based on well-thought out plans made in normal times, instead of a crisis situation, usually go a tad better. well, if it makes you feel any better, I have been thinking this for a couple of decades. I am not "reacting". And - we're not talking about violent offenders here - low level, low impact type crimes that anyone with a wealthy parent willing to hire an attorney for them would have walked away from - maybe even without anything to mark their permanent record. Now - the situation is that a 6 month prison term could potentially be a life sentence - for Weinstien, fair enough. For someone who tried to steal a six-pack from 7-eleven? Cruel and unusal punishment - to my mind. With this epidemic that would easily spread to ~100% of the population in the prison, it would be better to release low level offender who do not pose a risk to anyone and has friend or family willing to take them in during the isolation phase. This will also perhaps mitigate the spread among prisoner and the staff with a fewer prisoner/more room/more space available for everyone to spread out.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 27, 2020 16:41:39 GMT -5
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Post by swamp on Mar 27, 2020 16:48:41 GMT -5
Rikers is a local jail and anyone serving their sentence there is only convicted of a misdemeanor
its the persons being held that are felons. And with NY bail reform the only ones being held really deserve to be held.
However, there is a different problem now. Rikers is also a holding facility for convicted inmates on their way to state prison. There are inmates who have been shipped to prisons all over NY who have since tested postive. And before I hear anyone say they don’t care about the inmates, how about the staff? They can’t stay 6’ away and they can’t wear masks because they can’t be used to strangle someone.
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