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Post by deminmaine on Mar 26, 2020 8:40:04 GMT -5
Indeed, and it is deemed "essential"- allowed to continue for now, but there are too few buyers. Prices crashed, and it isn't worth going out. I wasn't referring to commercial fishing. I was referring to the average Joe literally putting a fish on the table for their family. So in that instance definitely an essential. Oh, sorry- you are absolutely right! And they can do it now without having to buy a license!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2020 9:08:19 GMT -5
No idea what that has to do with the topic at hand. As usual, you go “whatabout”. Actually Weltz is spot on again. You criticize the gov for allowing people to come in from a hot area, but you give a free pass to the pos who allowed people to come in from a hot country. I’m not giving anyone a pass on anything. I’m discussing a topic at hand and as usual, waltz tries to change the discussion to something else. I don’t waste my time with either of you
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 26, 2020 9:25:42 GMT -5
Actually Weltz is spot on again. You criticize the gov for allowing people to come in from a hot area, but you give a free pass to the pos who allowed people to come in from a hot country. I’m not giving anyone a pass on anything. I’m discussing a topic at hand and as usual, waltz tries to change the discussion to something else. I don’t waste my time with either of you Well, the topic at hand was your criticism of people coming into your area from a hot spot. You've already stated you blame the gov but not the pos. Weltz correctly pointed out that allowing people to come into the country from a hot country was NOT changing the subject. So, you are just objecting to being exposed as a hypocrite.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2020 9:29:49 GMT -5
I’m not giving anyone a pass on anything. I’m discussing a topic at hand and as usual, waltz tries to change the discussion to something else. I don’t waste my time with either of you Well, the topic at hand was your criticism of people coming into your area from a hot spot. You've already stated you blame the gov but not the pos. Weltz correctly pointed out that allowing people to come into the country from a hot country was NOT changing the subject. So, you are just objecting to being exposed as a hypocrite. I’m not objecting anything. I would have to care what you or welts thought of me to care. I have plenty opinions on how this is being handled. Right now I’m discussing how my governor is handling this. You and welts have zero to add to that discussion so you keep going off topic. I will not waste my time replying to either of you in the future.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 26, 2020 9:31:25 GMT -5
Well, the topic at hand was your criticism of people coming into your area from a hot spot. You've already stated you blame the gov but not the pos. Weltz correctly pointed out that allowing people to come into the country from a hot country was NOT changing the subject. So, you are just objecting to being exposed as a hypocrite. I’m not objecting anything. I would have to care what you or welts thought of me to care. I have plenty opinions on how this is being handled. Right now I’m discussing how my governor is handling this. You and welts have zero to add to that discussion so you keep going off topic. I will not waste my time replying to either of you in the future. Promise?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2020 9:32:05 GMT -5
People from NY have been told they should quarantine themselves if they go elsewhere. Don't know how that would be enforced. We are a tourism/ vacation state. Last weekend (nice weather in the upper 40's) our southernmost beaches were quite busy with day trippers from away, mostly from MA. The towns of York and Wells closed the beaches to stop it. We also had a large quantity of snowmobilers out west and up north, also from away. The Governor has discouraged people from coming, but says she has no legal authority to actually bar them from coming (Don't know what the state Constitution says about it and haven't checked) She has also said that she understands people want to get out, but that doing so in this manner is not safe. She has also dropped the licensing requirements for Maine residents to fish, and has encouraged Mainers to get out and go fishing. Apparently she is an enthusiastic angler, who knew? Presumably the fisher people would keep their distance..... Meanwhile, commercial fisheries are shutting down. :~( This is what pisses me off. Why can’t a governor say “for the safety of the residents of my state, we are no longer allowing visitors from the following hot zones. If you are found to be in violation, you will be fined $x and subject to prosecution”? We should not only shut down international travel, but travel amongst states.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 26, 2020 9:39:39 GMT -5
People from NY have been told they should quarantine themselves if they go elsewhere. Don't know how that would be enforced. We are a tourism/ vacation state. Last weekend (nice weather in the upper 40's) our southernmost beaches were quite busy with day trippers from away, mostly from MA. The towns of York and Wells closed the beaches to stop it. We also had a large quantity of snowmobilers out west and up north, also from away. The Governor has discouraged people from coming, but says she has no legal authority to actually bar them from coming (Don't know what the state Constitution says about it and haven't checked) She has also said that she understands people want to get out, but that doing so in this manner is not safe. She has also dropped the licensing requirements for Maine residents to fish, and has encouraged Mainers to get out and go fishing. Apparently she is an enthusiastic angler, who knew? Presumably the fisher people would keep their distance..... Meanwhile, commercial fisheries are shutting down. :~( This is what pisses me off. Why can’t a governor say “for the safety of the residents of my state, we are no longer allowing visitors from the following hot zones. If you are found to be in violation, you will be fined $x and subject to prosecution”? We should not only shut down international travel, but travel amongst states. How are you enforcing that? are we going to station troops at the borders a la "Contagion"?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2020 9:43:50 GMT -5
This is what pisses me off. Why can’t a governor say “for the safety of the residents of my state, we are no longer allowing visitors from the following hot zones. If you are found to be in violation, you will be fined $x and subject to prosecution”? We should not only shut down international travel, but travel amongst states. How are you enforcing that? are we going to station troops at the borders a la "Contagion"? One easy way would be pull everyone over with out of state plates.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 26, 2020 9:46:00 GMT -5
How are you enforcing that? are we going to station troops at the borders a la "Contagion"? One easy way would be pull everyone over with out of state plates. You have enough manpower for that? Pennsylvania is a big state with a large number of entrances, is it even practical?
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Post by deminmaine on Mar 26, 2020 9:46:53 GMT -5
People from NY have been told they should quarantine themselves if they go elsewhere. Don't know how that would be enforced. We are a tourism/ vacation state. Last weekend (nice weather in the upper 40's) our southernmost beaches were quite busy with day trippers from away, mostly from MA. The towns of York and Wells closed the beaches to stop it. We also had a large quantity of snowmobilers out west and up north, also from away. The Governor has discouraged people from coming, but says she has no legal authority to actually bar them from coming (Don't know what the state Constitution says about it and haven't checked) She has also said that she understands people want to get out, but that doing so in this manner is not safe. She has also dropped the licensing requirements for Maine residents to fish, and has encouraged Mainers to get out and go fishing. Apparently she is an enthusiastic angler, who knew? Presumably the fisher people would keep their distance..... Meanwhile, commercial fisheries are shutting down. :~( This is what pisses me off. Why can’t a governor say “for the safety of the residents of my state, we are no longer allowing visitors from the following hot zones. If you are found to be in violation, you will be fined $x and subject to prosecution”? We should not only shut down international travel, but travel amongst states. Again, I have not checked in with our state Constitution on it. We have one, and so does Pennsylvania. I would "guess" that there is some provision in there for martial law and that sort of thing, but I don't know that. Our Governor has declared a State of Civil Emergency over a week ago, but that does NOT give her that right. I think before we berate them for not doing something we need to see how they would get there to do it, legally.
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Post by deminmaine on Mar 26, 2020 9:47:37 GMT -5
Under what pretense?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2020 9:51:53 GMT -5
This is what pisses me off. Why can’t a governor say “for the safety of the residents of my state, we are no longer allowing visitors from the following hot zones. If you are found to be in violation, you will be fined $x and subject to prosecution”? We should not only shut down international travel, but travel amongst states. Again, I have not checked in with our state Constitution on it. We have one, and so does Pennsylvania. I would "guess" that there is some provision in there for martial law and that sort of thing, but I don't know that. Our Governor has declared a State of Civil Emergency over a week ago, but that does NOT give her that right. I think before we berate them for not doing something we need to see how they would get there to do it, legally. I posted from my governors website yesterday. I forget the technical name of the disaster emergency, but he has full authority to control ingress/egress and movement. He isn’t using it. I’m also not an attorney so could be totally misreading it. We have quite the uproar in PA over the people coming in from NYC. I would believe if he wasn’t allowed to stop it he would say it was beyond his authority. He hasn’t said that.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2020 9:56:16 GMT -5
If the governor implements “no out of state except for X,Y, z (truck drivers, etc), then they pull over who does not belong here. When the governor declares state of emergency during blizzards they shit down the roads except for essential business. Employees who absolutely need to work are given a letter to show the police. You can and will get pulled over if you are on the road during an emergency. I would consider a pandemic a hell of a lot worse than a snow storm.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2020 9:58:21 GMT -5
One easy way would be pull everyone over with out of state plates. You have enough manpower for that? Pennsylvania is a big state with a large number of entrances, is it even practical? If the penalties are severe enough you will weed out some idiots. And hey, it’s worth it to have the troopers out because this could bring in a lot of money and get the idiots to stay the hell home. Win win
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 26, 2020 9:58:24 GMT -5
If the governor implements “no out of state except for X,Y, z (truck drivers, etc), then they pull over who does not belong here. When the governor declares state of emergency during blizzards they shit down the roads except for essential business. Employees who absolutely need to work are given a letter to show the police. You can and will get pulled over if you are on the road during an emergency. I would consider a pandemic a hell of a lot worse than a snow storm. As a healthcare professional, that would get tiresome to have to prove you belong on the roads, especially if you worked a ling shift, but I guess it would work.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2020 10:00:02 GMT -5
If the governor implements “no out of state except for X,Y, z (truck drivers, etc), then they pull over who does not belong here. When the governor declares state of emergency during blizzards they shit down the roads except for essential business. Employees who absolutely need to work are given a letter to show the police. You can and will get pulled over if you are on the road during an emergency. I would consider a pandemic a hell of a lot worse than a snow storm. As a healthcare professional, that would get tiresome to have to prove you belong on the roads, especially if you worked a ling shift, but I guess it would work. My fiancé is an essential business and he has to have a letter on hand at all time during a state declared emergency. Chiver posted that she knows someone in my state in the medical field and they also have to carry a letter. This is not something new, at least not in my state.
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Post by justme on Mar 26, 2020 10:00:34 GMT -5
If you're so worried that the out of staters have it...it's probably an ill-advised plan to have police interact with all of them. First responders will already be among the most hit with this disease - shouldn't want to dwindle their numbers even more.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 26, 2020 10:01:25 GMT -5
How are you enforcing that? are we going to station troops at the borders a la "Contagion"? One easy way would be pull everyone over with out of state plates. That's a problem for cities that neighbor other states or even cross into them. What about cities like Kansas City, do we split them right down the middle? If you were to not allow anyone with out of state plates to enter Nebraska you'd shut down the hospitals in Omaha because a very large part of their staff live in Iowa. And what about family? We have an elderly relative that lives in Millard. He doesn't have a wife or children or grandchildren, we're it. What if something happens to him, do we say too bad so sad let him die because we're from another state? Then Carter Lake is the new Raccoon City. They are technically Iowa but with the river changing course they are part of the area surrounding the airport which is in Omaha. Which state do we allow them to move through? It's not a bad idea in theory but would be a logistical nightmare. By the time you get done making exceptions for what is considered essential personnel (which seems to be defined very loosely in most states I've noticed) you're really not stopping traffic all that much.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2020 10:04:41 GMT -5
If you're so worried that the out of staters have it...it's probably an ill-advised plan to have police interact with all of them. First responders will already be among the most hit with this disease - shouldn't want to dwindle their numbers even more. I do understand that, but now they are coming here, going out to grocery stores, getting take out and infecting the rest of us Then you have idiots from PA that are going there and bringing it back. If we don’t shut it down, we aren’t going to be able to stop this.
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Post by justme on Mar 26, 2020 10:10:57 GMT -5
If you're so worried that the out of staters have it...it's probably an ill-advised plan to have police interact with all of them. First responders will already be among the most hit with this disease - shouldn't want to dwindle their numbers even more. I do understand that, but now they are coming here, going out to grocery stores, getting take out and infecting the rest of us Then you have idiots from PA that are going there and bringing it back. If we don’t shut it down, we aren’t going to be able to stop this. How many different roads are there that cross the PA border? How many police would you need to be at each one? We don't have any real border between the states so locking down one is almost near impossible. It's way Cuomo was working with his neighboring states when he started to get strict - any laws or restrictions won't do much when you can drive a couple miles to a place that doesn't have said laws or restrictions. If only there was someone that was over all of the states and could just tell everyone you need to stay the fuck home...
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Post by deminmaine on Mar 26, 2020 10:14:50 GMT -5
Again, I have not checked in with our state Constitution on it. We have one, and so does Pennsylvania. I would "guess" that there is some provision in there for martial law and that sort of thing, but I don't know that. Our Governor has declared a State of Civil Emergency over a week ago, but that does NOT give her that right. I think before we berate them for not doing something we need to see how they would get there to do it, legally. I posted from my governors website yesterday. I forget the technical name of the disaster emergency, but he has full authority to control ingress/egress and movement. He isn’t using it. I’m also not an attorney so could be totally misreading it. We have quite the uproar in PA over the people coming in from NYC. I would believe if he wasn’t allowed to stop it he would say it was beyond his authority. He hasn’t said that. Miss T. you may be right too. The Executive Office is not particularly strong under the Maine Constitution- it may have more powers in PA. And I get your point- people should, in general, stay put. Or, if people from NYC need to go somewhere else for some reason they should quarantine themselves there for two weeks. I would put a lot of thought into how I would put that order out though. We all want to protect public health. However we do NOT want to pit neighbor against neighbor. We are all Americans. Some people from NY surely have legitimate reason to go elsewhere, whether they be medical personnel, family emergency, crucial business, etc. Some people from away are in NYC and are only going home. Truckers bring supplies in and out. There are important reasons I am not thinking of. Again, not disagreeing with the concept, just saying, do it carefully and in such a way that emphasizes we are ALL Americans, and we are ALL human beings.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2020 10:26:47 GMT -5
I posted from my governors website yesterday. I forget the technical name of the disaster emergency, but he has full authority to control ingress/egress and movement. He isn’t using it. I’m also not an attorney so could be totally misreading it. We have quite the uproar in PA over the people coming in from NYC. I would believe if he wasn’t allowed to stop it he would say it was beyond his authority. He hasn’t said that. Miss T. you may be right too. The Executive Office is not particularly strong under the Maine Constitution- it may have more powers in PA. And I get your point- people should, in general, stay put. Or, if people from NYC need to go somewhere else for some reason they should quarantine themselves there for two weeks. I would put a lot of thought into how I would put that order out though. We all want to protect public health. However we do NOT want to pit neighbor against neighbor. We are all Americans. Some people from NY surely have legitimate reason to go elsewhere, whether they be medical personnel, family emergency, crucial business, etc. Some people from away are in NYC and are only going home. Truckers bring supplies in and out. There are important reasons I am not thinking of. Again, not disagreeing with the concept, just saying, do it carefully and in such a way that emphasizes we are ALL Americans, and we are ALL human beings. The problems is, we are also selfish assholes. People aren't taking this seriously. I see it in my local area. We are only supposed to go out to go grocery shopping, to the pharmacy or other truly essential reasons. Unfortunately, the list of what is essential is too broad. Lowes is open because if your water heater goes, it is essential to fix that. Ok, then all aisles that are not essential should be closed off. Painting - not essential. Landscaping - not essential. So on and so on. 23 employees at my local Lowes are now home under 14 day quarantine because the night stock manager was diagnosed with it. And he was regularly traveling to NYC to see family. That is not self-distancing! Now 23 employees are at risk, there families are at risk and all idiots that decided to go shopping for fucking paint are at risk and more importantly, so are their families. And the attitudes I see on FB just blow me away. People are violating the closings (people are doing nails from home, contractors are working on the sly, etc. We are never going to contain this until government get tough on this. And no, I do not think the President can just shut down the country with martial law because not all areas are impacted YET. But the areas that are need to be locked down. There should be zero movement out of NYC, no one would should be allowed to shop for anything other than true essentials and even then, we need to control people to keep their distances. The fact that my governor has the ability to shut it down and isn't has me placing the blame on him. He is the one that decides what businesses remain open in my state. He is the one that has the ability to shut down ingress/egress (based on how I read it - I will find the link I posted). I don't expect the governor of NY to give a shit about us. He has his own nightmare to deal with. But MY governor should... And no matter if I voted for Trump or not, if he opens up the country for the sake of the economy, I will sit home this election and not vote at all. Dollars do not count more than people. Unfortunately, we cannot rely on people to do the right thing and stay home so the government needs to shut it all down.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2020 10:33:40 GMT -5
I do understand that, but now they are coming here, going out to grocery stores, getting take out and infecting the rest of us Then you have idiots from PA that are going there and bringing it back. If we don’t shut it down, we aren’t going to be able to stop this. How many different roads are there that cross the PA border? How many police would you need to be at each one? We don't have any real border between the states so locking down one is almost near impossible. It's way Cuomo was working with his neighboring states when he started to get strict - any laws or restrictions won't do much when you can drive a couple miles to a place that doesn't have said laws or restrictions. If only there was someone that was over all of the states and could just tell everyone you need to stay the fuck home... Yet my governor shut down all non life-sustaining businesses ahead of Cuomo...perhaps if Cuomo hadn't dragged his feet they wouldn't be as hard hit. I'm confused on your post, though. Second sentence says it would be near impossible to lock down the border between states and the last one implies Trump should shut them down. In your opinion, would it make a difference if the order came from Trump or Governor Wolf if people won't comply? FTW, I'm good with bringing in the National Guard to keep out-of-state people OUT, especially from NYC.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 26, 2020 10:53:58 GMT -5
Miss T. you may be right too. The Executive Office is not particularly strong under the Maine Constitution- it may have more powers in PA. And I get your point- people should, in general, stay put. Or, if people from NYC need to go somewhere else for some reason they should quarantine themselves there for two weeks. I would put a lot of thought into how I would put that order out though. We all want to protect public health. However we do NOT want to pit neighbor against neighbor. We are all Americans. Some people from NY surely have legitimate reason to go elsewhere, whether they be medical personnel, family emergency, crucial business, etc. Some people from away are in NYC and are only going home. Truckers bring supplies in and out. There are important reasons I am not thinking of. Again, not disagreeing with the concept, just saying, do it carefully and in such a way that emphasizes we are ALL Americans, and we are ALL human beings. The problems is, we are also selfish assholes. People aren't taking this seriously. I see it in my local area. We are only supposed to go out to go grocery shopping, to the pharmacy or other truly essential reasons. Unfortunately, the list of what is essential is too broad. Lowes is open because if your water heater goes, it is essential to fix that. Ok, then all aisles that are not essential should be closed off. Painting - not essential. Landscaping - not essential. So on and so on. 23 employees at my local Lowes are now home under 14 day quarantine because the night stock manager was diagnosed with it. And he was regularly traveling to NYC to see family. That is not self-distancing! Now 23 employees are at risk, there families are at risk and all idiots that decided to go shopping for fucking paint are at risk and more importantly, so are their families. And the attitudes I see on FB just blow me away. People are violating the closings (people are doing nails from home, contractors are working on the sly, etc. We are never going to contain this until government get tough on this. And no, I do not think the President can just shut down the country with martial law because not all areas are impacted YET. But the areas that are need to be locked down. There should be zero movement out of NYC, no one would should be allowed to shop for anything other than true essentials and even then, we need to control people to keep their distances. The fact that my governor has the ability to shut it down and isn't has me placing the blame on him. He is the one that decides what businesses remain open in my state. He is the one that has the ability to shut down ingress/egress (based on how I read it - I will find the link I posted). I don't expect the governor of NY to give a shit about us. He has his own nightmare to deal with. But MY governor should... And no matter if I voted for Trump or not, if he opens up the country for the sake of the economy, I will sit home this election and not vote at all. Dollars do not count more than people. Unfortunately, we cannot rely on people to do the right thing and stay home so the government needs to shut it all down. Iagree with you. This is why leadership matters. If you get mixed messages, especially coming from the president, people will not heed the call to inconvenience themselves. All the people on the new who downplay this also don't help. If the message was coordinated, we wouild be in better shape. My governor seems to be doing a good job so far, in my opinion, but we are a small state. This will likely be a slow moving disaster. NY is the epicenter, but it is only a matter of time before other places are hit, and if they are not preparing for it now, they are morons.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 26, 2020 10:57:39 GMT -5
The problems is, we are also selfish assholes. People aren't taking this seriously. I see it in my local area. We are only supposed to go out to go grocery shopping, to the pharmacy or other truly essential reasons. Unfortunately, the list of what is essential is too broad. Lowes is open because if your water heater goes, it is essential to fix that. Ok, then all aisles that are not essential should be closed off. Painting - not essential. Landscaping - not essential. So on and so on. 23 employees at my local Lowes are now home under 14 day quarantine because the night stock manager was diagnosed with it. And he was regularly traveling to NYC to see family. That is not self-distancing! Now 23 employees are at risk, there families are at risk and all idiots that decided to go shopping for fucking paint are at risk and more importantly, so are their families. And the attitudes I see on FB just blow me away. People are violating the closings (people are doing nails from home, contractors are working on the sly, etc. We are never going to contain this until government get tough on this. And no, I do not think the President can just shut down the country with martial law because not all areas are impacted YET. But the areas that are need to be locked down. There should be zero movement out of NYC, no one would should be allowed to shop for anything other than true essentials and even then, we need to control people to keep their distances. The fact that my governor has the ability to shut it down and isn't has me placing the blame on him. He is the one that decides what businesses remain open in my state. He is the one that has the ability to shut down ingress/egress (based on how I read it - I will find the link I posted). I don't expect the governor of NY to give a shit about us. He has his own nightmare to deal with. But MY governor should... And no matter if I voted for Trump or not, if he opens up the country for the sake of the economy, I will sit home this election and not vote at all. Dollars do not count more than people. Unfortunately, we cannot rely on people to do the right thing and stay home so the government needs to shut it all down. Iagree with you. This is why leadership matters. If you get mixed messages, especially coming from the president, people will not heed the call to inconvenience themselves. All the people on the new who downplay this also don't help. If the message was coordinated, we wouild be in better shape. My governor seems to be doing a good job so far, in my opinion, but we are a small state. This will likely be a slow moving disaster. NY is the epicenter, but it is only a matter of time before other places are hit, and if they are not preparing for it now, they are morons. New Orleans may be next. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-orleans-emerges-as-next-coronavirus-epicenter-threatening-rest-of-south/ar-BB11HRXa
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Post by justme on Mar 26, 2020 11:18:53 GMT -5
How many different roads are there that cross the PA border? How many police would you need to be at each one? We don't have any real border between the states so locking down one is almost near impossible. It's way Cuomo was working with his neighboring states when he started to get strict - any laws or restrictions won't do much when you can drive a couple miles to a place that doesn't have said laws or restrictions. If only there was someone that was over all of the states and could just tell everyone you need to stay the fuck home... Yet my governor shut down all non life-sustaining businesses ahead of Cuomo...perhaps if Cuomo hadn't dragged his feet they wouldn't be as hard hit. I'm confused on your post, though. Second sentence says it would be near impossible to lock down the border between states and the last one implies Trump should shut them down. In your opinion, would it make a difference if the order came from Trump or Governor Wolf if people won't comply? FTW, I'm good with bringing in the National Guard to keep out-of-state people OUT, especially from NYC. Your thought was to pull over people with plates from other states....a lot of those other states don't have shelter in place orders...so they're not sheltering in place. Considering the federal position not too long ago was that this was all a hoax, it's not unsurprising that people aren't taking it seriously - especially if their state is also not taking it seriously.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 26, 2020 11:33:54 GMT -5
Yet my governor shut down all non life-sustaining businesses ahead of Cuomo...perhaps if Cuomo hadn't dragged his feet they wouldn't be as hard hit. I'm confused on your post, though. Second sentence says it would be near impossible to lock down the border between states and the last one implies Trump should shut them down. In your opinion, would it make a difference if the order came from Trump or Governor Wolf if people won't comply? FTW, I'm good with bringing in the National Guard to keep out-of-state people OUT, especially from NYC. Your thought was to pull over people with plates from other states....a lot of those other states don't have shelter in place orders...so they're not sheltering in place. Considering the federal position not too long ago was that this was all a hoax, it's not unsurprising that people aren't taking it seriously - especially if their state is also not taking it seriously. If they enter a state with a shelter in place, they are breaking the law in that state. Not all states have shelter in place because not all states are affected. But if you allow people to come in from places that are severely affected, you are allowing it to spread. We can argue over who should be enforcing it, but in my state the governor had the authority and he isn’t doing it.
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Post by dondub on Mar 26, 2020 11:35:30 GMT -5
People from NY have been told they should quarantine themselves if they go elsewhere. Don't know how that would be enforced. We are a tourism/ vacation state. Last weekend (nice weather in the upper 40's) our southernmost beaches were quite busy with day trippers from away, mostly from MA. The towns of York and Wells closed the beaches to stop it. We also had a large quantity of snowmobilers out west and up north, also from away. The Governor has discouraged people from coming, but says she has no legal authority to actually bar them from coming (Don't know what the state Constitution says about it and haven't checked) She has also said that she understands people want to get out, but that doing so in this manner is not safe. She has also dropped the licensing requirements for Maine residents to fish, and has encouraged Mainers to get out and go fishing. Apparently she is an enthusiastic angler, who knew? Presumably the fisher people would keep their distance..... Meanwhile, commercial fisheries are shutting down. :~( This is what pisses me off. Why can’t a governor say “for the safety of the residents of my state, we are no longer allowing visitors from the following hot zones. If you are found to be in violation, you will be fined $x and subject to prosecution”? We should not only shut down international travel, but travel amongst states. Excellent correlation.
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Post by swamp on Mar 26, 2020 11:49:36 GMT -5
The NYC people are now fleeing the city and coming to their summer homes in NNY and the adirondacks.
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Post by busymom on Mar 26, 2020 11:59:13 GMT -5
Shutting down state borders will NOT work. We use semis to move a lot of food across the good old USA. We've already got grocery stores that don't get enough stock to meet the shopping lists of folks. Can you even imagine how screwed up the stores would be, if, for example, they put up road blocks at every single state line? Are you going to turn away a trucker who has a California license, but is bringing in a truckload of TP into Florida?
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