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Post by billisonboard on Mar 23, 2020 17:23:17 GMT -5
You get pulled over. They look at your license which has a home address. They will ask where you are headed. You say grocery store. They ask which one. You better be ready to name one that you are headed towards. Our order said you can still go check on elderly family members. How would you prove that? By the look on your face when you hear "I'll follow you so I can help you check on them."
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 23, 2020 17:27:00 GMT -5
Our order said you can still go check on elderly family members. How would you prove that? By the look on your face when you hear "I'll follow you so I can help you check on them." Never thought of that. Good thing my elderly family member lives next door so I don't have to drive there.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 23, 2020 17:36:10 GMT -5
It is probably kind of a show. Police are out and checking people and informing them of the rules. They may get a little more personal with someone acting shady. They might keep records, so if someone gets stopped a dozen times in 2 days, they can get fussed at harder. But, in reality, most people will do what they should - especially if they know they are being watched.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 18:09:35 GMT -5
It's not an issue, Trump just said he's planning on removing the shelter in place guidelines probably in a week. Welcome to herd immunity - kiss your grandparents good by. How that's not freaking criminal I will never understand.
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Post by jerseygirl on Mar 23, 2020 18:32:21 GMT -5
It's not an issue, Trump just said he's planning on removing the shelter in place guidelines probably in a week. Welcome to herd immunity - kiss your grandparents good by. How that's not freaking criminal I will never understand. Listen carefully - didn’t happen
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 18:33:51 GMT -5
I did listen. To then entire presser. This is clearly his plan.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 23, 2020 18:47:29 GMT -5
It's not an issue, Trump just said he's planning on removing the shelter in place guidelines probably in a week. Welcome to herd immunity - kiss your grandparents good by. How that's not freaking criminal I will never understand. Listen carefully - didn’t happen . They are signaling that is what they are going to do. But since he is incapable of telling the truth, who knows. We are still having exponential growth in cases. What do you think will happen if he does? Should he even consider doing it? You defense of the administration is surprising since you work in the pharmaceutical industry. Don’t you believe in science?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 18:49:59 GMT -5
Now he's going on about how low the mortality rate is... Lord...
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 23, 2020 18:56:36 GMT -5
We in the UK didn't listen either.....
Last weekend millions headed for the coast and crowded on the beaches. Kids are out of School and congregating together with all their mates. People are packed in the parks...sharing ice creams and getting together with friends. Pressed together on the underground trains ... nose to tail in supermarket queues. Now we are in Lock Down...... Perhaps the idiots will start to listen
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Post by saveinla on Mar 23, 2020 19:07:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 19:08:31 GMT -5
He's openly talking about killing people via herd immunity just to save the stock market. It's insanity. Plain insanity.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 23, 2020 19:10:49 GMT -5
Listen carefully - didn’t happen . They are signaling that is what they are going to do. But since he is incapable of telling the truth, who knows. We are still having exponential growth in cases. What do you think will happen if he does? Should he even consider doing it? You defense of the administration is surprising since you work in the pharmaceutical industry. Don’t you believe in science?This is scary, that someone with apparently the background cannot see what is being proposed. China has been on lockdown for over a month now, and their cases have finally flatlined. It is easily going to take that long in the US (or longer, if you consider this first week for many was a half assed lockdown). To assume otherwise is naive, or stupid.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 23, 2020 19:12:46 GMT -5
Stay in FFS stay in. Not sure why the US is easing restrictions Italy's rate is falling and so is Gemany's..... It can be done.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 23, 2020 19:13:10 GMT -5
Can the fed stop a state, county or city from putting these types of restrictions in for their area?
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 23, 2020 19:15:10 GMT -5
DF has a letter to show officers if he is pulled over. He is considered an essential business (he is self employed). I don’t believe we are “shelter in place” yet so don’t know if he will need it or not. a friend of mine is a PT over near Scranton somewhere. she has a similar letter. she said something about $1k fines for violating whatever your state's directive is. that sounds pretty stringent to me, whatever it is called. That is quite cheap compared to the 25,000 Euros this would cost you in Bavaria (keeping track because of DS2 and his family)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 19:22:29 GMT -5
Our order said you can still go check on elderly family members. How would you prove that? By the look on your face when you hear "I'll follow you so I can help you check on them." If they told me that, I’d probably ask if I could just turn around and go back home since they’re going over there anyway. And btw, will you please give her *this* for me (Almost every time I go over there, I’m also taking her something)? I’ll call her before I pull off and let her know you’re on your way. Thank you so much officer!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 19:29:18 GMT -5
Can the fed stop a state, county or city from putting these types of restrictions in for their area? I don't know about the legal part of "Can the fed stop a state, county or city from putting these types of restrictions in for their area?" but our local and state pols are probably going to forge their own path on this, especially since the governor is trying to save his rear end by leaving it up to local jurisdictions. They ain't saints but they ain't stupid either and they would rather die on their own regional political swords than Trump's. Our county judge and mayor are in a major pissing match with the county judge up in Dallas right now. Our state and area have been abandoned too many times by Feds and FEMA to let them call the shots on this.
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Post by lynnerself on Mar 23, 2020 19:29:22 GMT -5
Well Oregon liquor stores and marijuana shops stay open. Along with car dealerships, construction and anything not mentioned specifically. They did finally close the State Parks. As far as enforcement: "Those who defy the order can be charged with endangering public health, a class C misdemeanor. People found to have violated her order could be jailed for up to 30 days or fined $1,250, though law enforcement agencies said Monday they’re more likely to inform people about the restrictions than cite them for violations."
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Post by jerseygirl on Mar 23, 2020 19:39:11 GMT -5
Listen carefully - didn’t happen . They are signaling that is what they are going to do. But since he is incapable of telling the truth, who knows. We are still having exponential growth in cases. What do you think will happen if he does? Should he even consider doing it? You defense of the administration is surprising since you work in the pharmaceutical industry. Don’t you believe in science? It’s not that I’m defending the administration, just annoys me so much when people pronounce simplistic opinions or take words out of context I was responding to the post that said Trump is planning to remove the shelter in place guidelines in a week. Really?? Said this is a POSSIBILTY in some places and this will be discussed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 19:42:44 GMT -5
. They are signaling that is what they are going to do. But since he is incapable of telling the truth, who knows. We are still having exponential growth in cases. What do you think will happen if he does? Should he even consider doing it? You defense of the administration is surprising since you work in the pharmaceutical industry. Don’t you believe in science? It’s not that I’m defending the administration, just annoys me so much when people pronounce simplistic opinions or take words out of context I was responding to the post that said Trump is planning to remove the I didn't take jack shit out of context nor was my own fucking opinion "simplistic". Watch the presser again and try to comprehend what he's telling you.
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Post by oped on Mar 23, 2020 19:51:37 GMT -5
Every statement he made was a defense of removing restrictions.
This may be where we split... no way New York and California will ever 'open up' based on his dictates... and they are 25% of our economy.
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Post by resolution on Mar 23, 2020 20:25:44 GMT -5
Well I was pretty proud of myself for my preparations because I hadn't been anywhere in a week and a half and still had a well stocked house. I was happy to hunker down and hang out with my gaming friends over discord, when my dumbass brother-in-law called us broken down on the side of the interstate, halfway across the state. So now my self quarantine is shot, we had to go pick them up in my car. They have been travelling all over without any care about exposure, because they don't believe in doctors or medicine, and they think that catching diseases is good for your immune system. They blew out their engine so we babysat at their house over the weekend while they shopped for a new car, and they are using my car right now because its the only one in the family that can fit two car seats. I am really depressed about all of this. I had thought I was doing really well avoiding contagion, but their kids were coughing all over me and god knows all the places they have been in the last two weeks. But we couldn't leave family stranded on the side of the interstate, even though they had no business being there in the first place.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Mar 23, 2020 20:36:07 GMT -5
NJ is supposed to be on lockdown. I live on a major county road. There was a little less traffic during rush hour, but is seems like the usual amount for the past few hours.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 23, 2020 20:42:06 GMT -5
. They are signaling that is what they are going to do. But since he is incapable of telling the truth, who knows. We are still having exponential growth in cases. What do you think will happen if he does? Should he even consider doing it? You defense of the administration is surprising since you work in the pharmaceutical industry. Don’t you believe in science? It’s not that I’m defending the administration, just annoys me so much when people pronounce simplistic opinions or take words out of context I was responding to the post that said Trump is planning to remove the shelter in place guidelines in a week. Really?? Said this is a POSSIBILTY in some places and this will be discussed. Should they even be discussing it without first talking with health experts. Just what I’d want from a health standpoint, business making decisions. You continue to try to downplay their incompetence. Science should be dictating decision making at this time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 21:01:13 GMT -5
Well I was pretty proud of myself for my preparations because I hadn't been anywhere in a week and a half and still had a well stocked house. I was happy to hunker down and hang out with my gaming friends over discord, when my dumbass brother-in-law called us broken down on the side of the interstate, halfway across the state. So now my self quarantine is shot, we had to go pick them up in my car. They have been travelling all over without any care about exposure, because they don't believe in doctors or medicine, and they think that catching diseases is good for your immune system. They blew out their engine so we babysat at their house over the weekend while they shopped for a new car, and they are using my car right now because its the only one in the family that can fit two car seats. I am really depressed about all of this. I had thought I was doing really well avoiding contagion, but their kids were coughing all over me and god knows all the places they have been in the last two weeks. But we couldn't leave family stranded on the side of the interstate, even though they had no business being there in the first place. I’m so over it with people being reckless, then expecting other people to put themselves at risk to help them when something happens! I’m so over it with this current situation that I probably would’ve tried to help BIL get his car towed and an Uber or something home or to the closest hotel if home was too far. He would’ve had to figure the rest out himself. And I would’ve only tried to do that much because it sounds like he had children with him. Irresponsible people don’t realize that when someone else is able to help them out, the reason that person CAN do it is often because that person has been at least somewhat responsible in their own life. Kind of like how years ago, we were at a family gathering and my brother said he wasn’t giving the “white man” all that money to get his driver’s license back. I told him “Well, I give the ‘white man’ money to keep my business in order so I can go wherever I please, in MY car, so don’t ask me for a ride again”. Wtf kind of crap was that for him to say? He doesn’t want to spend his money fixing a mess he created, but he was asking me for rides.....benefiting from the fact that I spend my money keeping my own stuff together. It actually pissed me off. Apologies for ranting, but I feel your frustration.
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Post by resolution on Mar 23, 2020 21:14:05 GMT -5
Well I was pretty proud of myself for my preparations because I hadn't been anywhere in a week and a half and still had a well stocked house. I was happy to hunker down and hang out with my gaming friends over discord, when my dumbass brother-in-law called us broken down on the side of the interstate, halfway across the state. So now my self quarantine is shot, we had to go pick them up in my car. They have been travelling all over without any care about exposure, because they don't believe in doctors or medicine, and they think that catching diseases is good for your immune system. They blew out their engine so we babysat at their house over the weekend while they shopped for a new car, and they are using my car right now because its the only one in the family that can fit two car seats. I am really depressed about all of this. I had thought I was doing really well avoiding contagion, but their kids were coughing all over me and god knows all the places they have been in the last two weeks. But we couldn't leave family stranded on the side of the interstate, even though they had no business being there in the first place. I’m so over it with people being reckless, then expecting other people to put themselves at risk to help them when something happens! I’m so over it with this current situation that I probably would’ve tried to help BIL get his car towed and an Uber or something home or to the closest hotel if home was too far. He would’ve had to figure the rest out himself. And I would’ve only tried to do that much because it sounds like he had children with him. Irresponsible people don’t realize that when someone else is able to help them out, the reason that person CAN do it is often because that person has been at least somewhat responsible in their own life. Kind of like how years ago, we were at a family gathering and my brother said he wasn’t giving the “white man” all that money to get his driver’s license back. I told him “Well, I give the ‘white man’ money to keep my business in order so I can go wherever I please, in MY car, so don’t ask me for a ride again”. Wtf kind of crap was that for him to say? He doesn’t want to spend his money fixing a mess he created, but he was asking me for rides.....benefiting from the fact that I spend my money keeping my own stuff together. It actually pissed me off. Apologies for ranting, but I feel your frustration. I actually got into an argument with my husband over it, because i just wanted to pay for a rental car for a week instead of loaning them my car, and tell them to figure it out before their time ran out. Their lack of planning somehow becoming my problem is an ongoing issue between my husband and I. And yes, they had two little kids with them stranded on the side of the interstate. I am not sure how threatening this virus is to me, because i am 50 and have a very mild form of asthma, but I was hoping to avoid finding out by staying isolated until they had a few treatment options for it. I telecommute full time so I am used to being home all day.
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Post by msventoux on Mar 23, 2020 21:36:49 GMT -5
There is no statewide order here to shelter in place...yet. I expect it is coming. Fortunately (or unfortunately) depending on how I’m feeling at the moment, my employer falls into the essential services category according to the cities that have issued orders, so I will be going to work. We’re not really set up to work fully remotely, though we have closed our office to clients and will do all work via phone/computer.
I am grateful to have a job, as frustrating as it is sometimes. There were a number of heartbreaking conversations today. Several of our small business clients are laying off all staff. Some of the staff have worked there for decades. It is a difficult choice for the owners, but they’re hoping if staff is laid off they can get unemployment in the short-term and they’ll rehire them if they can reopen their businesses. I have doubts that some of them will recover.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 21:39:39 GMT -5
I’m so over it with people being reckless, then expecting other people to put themselves at risk to help them when something happens! I’m so over it with this current situation that I probably would’ve tried to help BIL get his car towed and an Uber or something home or to the closest hotel if home was too far. He would’ve had to figure the rest out himself. And I would’ve only tried to do that much because it sounds like he had children with him. Irresponsible people don’t realize that when someone else is able to help them out, the reason that person CAN do it is often because that person has been at least somewhat responsible in their own life. Kind of like how years ago, we were at a family gathering and my brother said he wasn’t giving the “white man” all that money to get his driver’s license back. I told him “Well, I give the ‘white man’ money to keep my business in order so I can go wherever I please, in MY car, so don’t ask me for a ride again”. Wtf kind of crap was that for him to say? He doesn’t want to spend his money fixing a mess he created, but he was asking me for rides.....benefiting from the fact that I spend my money keeping my own stuff together. It actually pissed me off. Apologies for ranting, but I feel your frustration. I actually got into an argument with my husband over it, because i just wanted to pay for a rental car for a week instead of loaning them my car, and tell them to figure it out before their time ran out. Their lack of planning somehow becoming my problem is an ongoing issue between my husband and I. And yes, they had two little kids with them stranded on the side of the interstate. I am not sure how threatening this virus is to me, because i am 50 and have a very mild form of asthma, but I was hoping to avoid finding out by staying isolated until they had a few treatment options for it. I telecommute full time so I am used to being home all day. FWIW, I would’ve been just as upset as you were/are. It also sucks that this kind of thing has been an ongoing issue in your marriage. Like you, I am very wary of this virus. I’ve never WFH, and can’t now, nor is my employer going to shut down, so I’m still going to work every day. I definitely wouldn’t mind if I COULD WFH. The days that I don’t have to leave home feel like a wonderful treat for me. I’ve been like that for years, long before any of this happened. But despite having to go to work, I’m still doing what’s within my power to try to avoid catching this virus. I don’t have any life threatening health conditions, but I have a few things going on that affect my quality of life. Which means that I already have more than enough days where I don’t feel all that good, and days I just don’t feel good at all. I don’t need any new problems, and for the past few years, I’ve been mindful of doing what I can to not get any. Especially mindful of trying not to catch anything that’s contagious. Now this happens! Anyway, I completely understand where you’re coming from. I hope that helping your BIL doesn’t cause anything more than the inconvenience and frustration that it already has. And I hope that your husband eventually (sooner, rather than later) understands that his sibling’s irresponsibility or lack of planning shouldn’t become your problem or be allowed to cause tension and arguments between you two.
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Post by finnime on Mar 23, 2020 22:10:42 GMT -5
Fortunately it isn't up to Trump, but to each state's government to determine what restrictions are to be put in place. In some cases (NY, NJ and CON) the governors are working jointly to unroll the lockdowns.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 23, 2020 22:20:17 GMT -5
We in the UK didn't listen either.....
Last weekend millions headed for the coast and crowded on the beaches. Kids are out of School and congregating together with all their mates. People are packed in the parks...sharing ice creams and getting together with friends. Pressed together on the underground trains ... nose to tail in supermarket queues. Now we are in Lock Down...... Perhaps the idiots will start to listen NOW? They're just doing this now? The UK is banning people from leaving their homes apart from for a few "very limited" reasons, Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced on Monday, as he imposed the most stringent restrictions seen in Britain since the end of World War II. Shops, gyms, and places of worship will all close, and social events including weddings -- but not funerals -- will be postponed. www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/uk/uk-coronavirus-lockdown-gbr-intl/index.html
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