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Post by mmhmm on Mar 22, 2020 11:59:19 GMT -5
He is a fucking genius. The quote is utterly believable, but I don’t think it’s actuallybtrue. If you have a link, could you share it? It's a true quote but it's attributed to the wrong person. Actually, Ernest Hemingway said that - more than once.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 12:18:58 GMT -5
You might want to do a % comparison as we have 350 million people vs Italy's 60 million. Then head out to the beach with the rest of the college kids on spring break. I'll be talking about ignoring global warming and it's effect on future generations while I'm there. We are about 2 weeks behind Italy. Look at the freaking graph and watch the numbers go up. US cases are still going up exponentially. Which still has nothing to do with the raw % at the time of the post.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 12:29:14 GMT -5
You might want to do a % comparison as we have 350 million people vs Italy's 60 million. Then head out to the beach with the rest of the college kids on spring break. I'll be talking about ignoring global warming and it's effect on future generations while I'm there. Given you science background, I assume you understand exponential growth. Nook at the curves showing out growth. Stories from NY are frightening, have friends there who are working in a disaster zone. My son has a friend who told him they had to put 20 people on a ventilator in one day at Cornell. That is not normal, and it will overwhelm the medical system in our biggest city. Unless we can bend the curve, other big cities will experience the same What happened to the leadership in New York ?
Did they not know this was contagious ?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 22, 2020 12:30:53 GMT -5
Given you science background, I assume you understand exponential growth. Nook at the curves showing out growth. Stories from NY are frightening, have friends there who are working in a disaster zone. My son has a friend who told him they had to put 20 people on a ventilator in one day at Cornell. That is not normal, and it will overwhelm the medical system in our biggest city. Unless we can bend the curve, other big cities will experience the same What happened to the leadership in New York ?
Did they not know this was contagious ?
In addition, republicans like to play the blame game. How many Benghazi hearings did they have again?
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 22, 2020 12:38:14 GMT -5
8,600 new cases in the US overnight. I, for one, am very glad that Trump has "tremendous control" over this plague.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 22, 2020 12:38:31 GMT -5
Given you science background, I assume you understand exponential growth. Nook at the curves showing out growth. Stories from NY are frightening, have friends there who are working in a disaster zone. My son has a friend who told him they had to put 20 people on a ventilator in one day at Cornell. That is not normal, and it will overwhelm the medical system in our biggest city. Unless we can bend the curve, other big cities will experience the same What happened to the leadership in New York ?
Did they not know this was contagious ?
You continue to be difficult. These things will act as they wish. Leadership should start at a national level, that’s why we have a president. You want the governor of New York make decisions where you live. In addition, if our president was so effective, how come the disease is here
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 12:39:38 GMT -5
What happened to the leadership in New York ?
Did they not know this was contagious ?
In addition, republicans like to play the blame game. How many Benghazi hearings did they have again? Blaming leadership, and those who will do it, was a part of my published paper.
Almost anything goes.
Benghazi, lol.
Nobody seems to be talking about the actual enabler.
Fast worldwide transportation, and the nature of a virus.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 22, 2020 13:07:00 GMT -5
In addition, republicans like to play the blame game. How many Benghazi hearings did they have again? Blaming leadership, and those who will do it, was a part of my published paper.
Almost anything goes.
Benghazi, lol.
Nobody seems to be talking about the actual enabler.
Fast worldwide transportation, and the nature of a virus.
Actually, I agree with that. But, if it was taken seriously from the beginning, we would have been better prepared. Or are you saying leadership doesn’t matter?
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 22, 2020 13:19:42 GMT -5
Used to Meeting Challenges With Bluster and Force, Trump Confronts a Crisis Unlike Any BeforeWASHINGTON — During his campaign for the White House in 2016, President Donald Trump’s advisers briefly tried to run through with him how he would address a large-scale disaster if he won. What, for instance, would he have done during Hurricane Katrina? “I would have fixed that,” Trump replied with certitude, referring to the government’s bungled rescue and recovery efforts, according to a campaign official who was present for the exchange. “I would have come up with a much better response.” How? He did not say. He just asserted it would have been better, and advisers did not press him to elaborate. Trump is no stranger to crisis. He has spent a lifetime grappling with bankruptcy, fending off creditors, evading tax collectors, defending lawsuits, deflecting regulators, spinning reporters and dueling with estranged wives, usually coming out ahead, at least as he defines it. But these were crises of his own creation involving human adversaries he knew how to confront. Nothing in his background in business, entertainment or multiple marriages prepared him for the coronavirus pandemic now threatening America’s health and wealth. Trump’s performance on the national stage in recent weeks has put on display the traits that Democrats and some Republicans consider so jarring: the profound need for personal praise, the propensity to blame others, the lack of human empathy, the penchant for rewriting history, the disregard for expertise, the distortion of facts, the impatience with scrutiny or criticism. For years, skeptics expressed concern about how he would handle a genuine crisis threatening the nation, and now they know. Complete article here: Used to Meeting Challenges With Bluster and Force, Trump Confronts a Crisis Unlike Any Before
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Post by countrygirl2 on Mar 22, 2020 13:58:43 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 22, 2020 14:06:25 GMT -5
Trump’s performance on the national stage in recent weeks has put on display the traits that Democrats and some Republicans consider so jarring: the profound need for personal praise
Every single time I see him open his cake-hole on TV, he's patting himself on the back, saying what a tremendous job he's doing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 22, 2020 14:10:27 GMT -5
We are about 2 weeks behind Italy. Look at the freaking graph and watch the numbers go up. US cases are still going up exponentially. Which still has nothing to do with the raw % at the time of the post. unless you think the math will be different for us, then it is a difference without substance.
do you believe that our math will be different, jma? and if so, why?
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 23, 2020 13:45:42 GMT -5
U.S. coronavirus economic rescue talks continue as Trump appears to waffle on shutdown President Donald Trump suggested Monday he had qualms about extending the current 15-day suggested shutdown as his officials warned about the deepening coronavirus crisis and administration officials and congressional leaders struggled to complete a nearly $2 trillion US economic rescue package. "I didn't expect to be starting off my week with such a dire message for America," Surgeon General Jerome Adams said on CBS This Morning, as he warned the numbers will get worse this week. "Things are going to get worse before they get better. We really need everyone to understand this ... and lean into what they can do to flatten the curve." Yet only hours before the surgeon general's dire warning, Trump suggested that the remedies may be more harmful than the outbreak in a tweet that contradicted the advice of medical experts across the nation. www.cbc.ca/news/world/united-states-coronavirus-congress-rescue-1.5506420Leave it to the experts and just shut your waffle-hole!
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Post by countrygirl2 on Mar 23, 2020 14:04:38 GMT -5
trump does that and he is going to help people die. His choice, money over people.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 23, 2020 14:10:05 GMT -5
Democrats Should Vote Down Trump’s Corrupt Stimulus Slush Fund The central flash point concerns a $500 billion corporate bailout. Democrats are absolutely right to oppose that provision. And they have all the leverage they need to block it. They would be mad to vote for anything resembling what McConnell offered. There is nothing wrong in principle with bailing out large firms. The trouble with the Senate bill is the mechanism. Its requirements that bailed-out firms protect their workers are too weak. (Protecting the workers is the whole rationale for bailing them out, after all — at least from the Democrats’ point of view.) More disturbing, it’s designed as a pool of money to be doled out by the Treasury secretary. That is to say, the money is, for all intents and purposes, personally controlled by Donald Trump, who selected the Treasury secretary, Steve Mnuchin, and could replace him on a whim. One obvious outcome of this financing arrangement would be to create the all-but-certain outcome that the Treasury would select the Trump Organization as one of the worthy recipients of its largesse.
Even worse, giving Trump control over a bailout fund would invite the sorts of abuses that he has routinely engaged in. nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/coronavirus-stimulus-slush-fund-trump-bailout-corporations-senate.html
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 23, 2020 14:12:44 GMT -5
U.S. coronavirus economic rescue talks continue as Trump appears to waffle on shutdown President Donald Trump suggested Monday he had qualms about extending the current 15-day suggested shutdown as his officials warned about the deepening coronavirus crisis and administration officials and congressional leaders struggled to complete a nearly $2 trillion US economic rescue package. "I didn't expect to be starting off my week with such a dire message for America," Surgeon General Jerome Adams said on CBS This Morning, as he warned the numbers will get worse this week. "Things are going to get worse before they get better. We really need everyone to understand this ... and lean into what they can do to flatten the curve." Yet only hours before the surgeon general's dire warning, Trump suggested that the remedies may be more harmful than the outbreak in a tweet that contradicted the advice of medical experts across the nation. www.cbc.ca/news/world/united-states-coronavirus-congress-rescue-1.5506420Leave it to the experts and just shut your waffle-hole! It's a hamberder hole.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 23, 2020 14:16:07 GMT -5
U.S. coronavirus economic rescue talks continue as Trump appears to waffle on shutdown President Donald Trump suggested Monday he had qualms about extending the current 15-day suggested shutdown as his officials warned about the deepening coronavirus crisis and administration officials and congressional leaders struggled to complete a nearly $2 trillion US economic rescue package. "I didn't expect to be starting off my week with such a dire message for America," Surgeon General Jerome Adams said on CBS This Morning, as he warned the numbers will get worse this week. "Things are going to get worse before they get better. We really need everyone to understand this ... and lean into what they can do to flatten the curve." Yet only hours before the surgeon general's dire warning, Trump suggested that the remedies may be more harmful than the outbreak in a tweet that contradicted the advice of medical experts across the nation. www.cbc.ca/news/world/united-states-coronavirus-congress-rescue-1.5506420Leave it to the experts and just shut your waffle-hole! It's a hamberder hole. Well, Trump is waffling on the shutdown. That's just what you need during a crisis...a leader who waffles.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 23, 2020 14:25:47 GMT -5
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Post by kadee79 on Mar 23, 2020 15:45:18 GMT -5
And what is big business going to do when there is no one left to buy their products or those that are left can't afford them? Big business is going to end up being little business or no business at all!
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 23, 2020 16:05:35 GMT -5
Democrats Should Vote Down Trump’s Corrupt Stimulus Slush Fund The central flash point concerns a $500 billion corporate bailout. Democrats are absolutely right to oppose that provision. And they have all the leverage they need to block it. They would be mad to vote for anything resembling what McConnell offered. There is nothing wrong in principle with bailing out large firms. The trouble with the Senate bill is the mechanism. Its requirements that bailed-out firms protect their workers are too weak. (Protecting the workers is the whole rationale for bailing them out, after all — at least from the Democrats’ point of view.) More disturbing, it’s designed as a pool of money to be doled out by the Treasury secretary. That is to say, the money is, for all intents and purposes, personally controlled by Donald Trump, who selected the Treasury secretary, Steve Mnuchin, and could replace him on a whim. One obvious outcome of this financing arrangement would be to create the all-but-certain outcome that the Treasury would select the Trump Organization as one of the worthy recipients of its largesse.
Even worse, giving Trump control over a bailout fund would invite the sorts of abuses that he has routinely engaged in. nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/coronavirus-stimulus-slush-fund-trump-bailout-corporations-senate.htmlcorporations are drowning in cash.
100% of the funds should go to businesses with under 100 employees and individual taxpayers with HH incomes less than $100k/year.
anything other than that is just another layer of graft to add to our suffering.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 23, 2020 16:44:21 GMT -5
When pressed, deadeyedick won't answer. He just likes to talk in bumper stickers. It's only a little past 0500-0800 hours in Australia where he lives. Early morning. It's been four days. He's not going to answer.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 23, 2020 19:27:28 GMT -5
ok. I don't really even have words for this: www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52009108so, am I reading this right? is Trump really saying that he might ease the extremely tepid response that is currently resulting in 10k new cases a day? please tell me I am reading this wrong. please correct me. he should bring enforcement into the lockdown, imo, not ease up. wtf?
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 23, 2020 19:31:55 GMT -5
Your reading comprehension is just fine dj. In this case unfortunately so...
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 23, 2020 19:34:38 GMT -5
ok. I don't really even have words for this: www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52009108so, am I reading this right? is Trump really saying that he might ease the extremely tepid response that is currently resulting in 10k new cases a day? please tell me I am reading this wrong. please correct me. he should bring enforcement into the lockdown, imo, not ease up. wtf? Amazing, isn’t it
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 23, 2020 19:37:30 GMT -5
Sure let's stop the social distancing, but before anyone else goes out Trump needs to go to every business and lick every door knob and phone to prove to us that there is nothing to fear.
That should restore order to the world real fast.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 23, 2020 19:40:48 GMT -5
ok. I don't really even have words for this: www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52009108so, am I reading this right? is Trump really saying that he might ease the extremely tepid response that is currently resulting in 10k new cases a day? please tell me I am reading this wrong. please correct me. he should bring enforcement into the lockdown, imo, not ease up. wtf? Amazing, isn’t it ok, next question:
why?
I mean, I think I know the answer, but someone else should answer it, so I can check my thinking.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 23, 2020 19:44:34 GMT -5
It's only a little past 0500-0800 hours in Australia where he lives. Early morning. It's been four days. He's not going to answer. Deadeyedick signed in nine hours ago to check the boards. Did that the other day too. Maybe he starts threads just to stir pot for the heck of it: pit one side against the other. Much like Russians interfering with our elections.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 23, 2020 19:44:44 GMT -5
Because he knows his "stupendous" economy is all he has to go on. If he lets it continue to wobble and tank even his 30% core supporters may start turning on him. His only chance remaining Dear Leader for another 4 years is to make sure that he "wins" even if it is at the expense of millions of Americans. They were all probably never Trumpers anyhow.
Or i have been totally wrong all these years. There really is a God, Jesus and Trump is actually the anti-Christ. Don't think that hasn't crossed my mind a few times lately.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 23, 2020 19:57:27 GMT -5
Because he knows his "stupendous" economy is all he has to go on. If he lets it continue to wobble and tank even his 30% core supporters may start turning on him. His only chance remaining Dear Leader for another 4 years is to make sure that he "wins" even if it is at the expense of millions of Americans. They were all probably never Trumpers anyhow. Or i have been totally wrong all these years. There really is a God, Jesus and Trump is actually the anti-Christ. Don't think that hasn't crossed my mind a few times lately. I agree, he needs the stock market to go up, so he has something to point to. He is unable to think he is ever wrong, so if experts tell him different, they are wrong. So sideline them, and find someone else. He is usually wrong, but never in doubt
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 23, 2020 19:59:03 GMT -5
Because he knows his "stupendous" economy is all he has to go on. If he lets it continue to wobble and tank even his 30% core supporters may start turning on him. His only chance remaining Dear Leader for another 4 years is to make sure that he "wins" even if it is at the expense of millions of Americans. They were all probably never Trumpers anyhow. Or i have been totally wrong all these years. There really is a God, Jesus and Trump is actually the anti-Christ. Don't think that hasn't crossed my mind a few times lately. I agree, he needs the stock market to go up, so he has something to point to. He is unable to think he is ever wrong, so if experts tell him different, they are wrong. So sideline them, and find someone else. He is usually wrong, but never in doubt so, this is just another manifestation of NPD?
fuck. we are doomed.
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