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Post by kadee79 on Mar 18, 2020 20:25:06 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 18, 2020 20:26:51 GMT -5
2/454 is pretty far above 20/1000000
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 18, 2020 20:35:56 GMT -5
I'm curious about those self-quarantining after the dinner with Brazil's leadership. was actually surprised to see names not on the other list when I opened this thread.
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Post by kadee79 on Mar 18, 2020 21:32:13 GMT -5
I'm wondering how many these 2 exposed since the House was working last week....what if the majority of the House goes down?
I'm hoping someone gave it to MM. That would be nice having him out of commission for awhile!
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Post by countrygirl2 on Mar 18, 2020 21:52:39 GMT -5
I hope Nancy doesn't get it. MM is highly disposable, she is essential.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 19, 2020 6:40:23 GMT -5
I hope Nancy doesn't get it. MM is highly disposable, she is essential. I hope none of them get it. I despise Nancy Pelosi's politics but she is a human and I would never wish death on another human. I don't consider another human disposal. I guess I'm just not an asshole like that.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 19, 2020 7:10:02 GMT -5
I hope Nancy doesn't get it. MM is highly disposable, she is essential. I hope none of them get it. I despise Nancy Pelosi's politics but she is a human and I would never wish death on another human. I don't consider another human disposal. I guess I'm just not an asshole like that. But the president calling people garbage and places shithole countries is OK? Words and tone matter, and he set it. If we want discussion to improve, change starts at the top.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 19, 2020 7:20:26 GMT -5
I hope none of them get it. I despise Nancy Pelosi's politics but she is a human and I would never wish death on another human. I don't consider another human disposal. I guess I'm just not an asshole like that. But the president calling people garbage and places shithole countries is OK? Words and tone matter, and he set it. If we want discussion to improve, change starts at the top. I take responsibility for my own words and actions. Notice I am not saying that I hope Pelosi or anyone else that I politically disagree with get it or that someone I dislike is disposable if they get it? And calling someplace a shithole is a far cry from calling a person disposable or wishing they would get Covid-19. There are plenty of places in teh US that I consider shitholes but that certainly doesn't mean I think the people that live there are disposable or that I wish them dead. I hold myself to my own standards of decency and don't use someone else's words as an excuse to act like an asshole. I see people on this board saying horrendous things about people they disagree with. I don't sink to that level. YMMV
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 19, 2020 7:26:36 GMT -5
No, everyone is responsible for there behavior. However, leaders, whether in government or business, set a tone or culture. As a result, discourse in this country has deteriorated, and Trump is a direct cause. Look at some of the Democrats elected to Congress in the last election. People will default to the lowest denominator after a time of being high minded doesn’t work. Not everyone is as virtuous as you. If we want things to improve, we need something to change, and it should start at the top. I don’t like it any better than you, but that is the reality. Look at this board, people are making jokes about people dying from this virus and they think it’s funny
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Post by deminmaine on Mar 19, 2020 7:27:16 GMT -5
I applaud your personal civil manners MT. I also agree with P MD regarding the atrocious behavior of our "President". It continues to this day with him calling this the "Chinese" virus. Words matter, especially from our leaders. I have seen for a long time some local people acting like crap because trump signals they can. And they love it, and they defend him vociferously for the permission. It is vile and despicable, and it cripples hopes for national unity in this time of crisis.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 19, 2020 7:36:41 GMT -5
But the president calling people garbage and places shithole countries is OK? Words and tone matter, and he set it. If we want discussion to improve, change starts at the top. I take responsibility for my own words and actions. Notice I am not saying that I hope Pelosi or anyone else that I politically disagree with get it or that someone I dislike is disposable if they get it? And calling someplace a shithole is a far cry from calling a person disposable or wishing they would get Covid-19. There are plenty of places in teh US that I consider shitholes but that certainly doesn't mean I think the people that live there are disposable or that I wish them dead. I hold myself to my own standards of decency and don't use someone else's words as an excuse to act like an asshole. I see people on this board saying horrendous things about people they disagree with. I don't sink to that level. YMMV
I see people on this board saying horrendous things about people they disagree with. I don't sink to that level.Yes, we all know how perfect you are. You remind us at every opportunity. You have put words in my mouth and excoriated me for things I have not said.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 19, 2020 8:04:50 GMT -5
I applaud your personal civil manners MT. I also agree with P MD regarding the atrocious behavior of our "President". It continues to this day with him calling this the "Chinese" virus. Words matter, especially from our leaders. I have seen for a long time some local people acting like crap because trump signals they can. And they love it, and they defend him vociferously for the permission. It is vile and despicable, and it cripples hopes for national unity in this time of crisis. The only thing crippling hopes for national unity are the citizens of the US. As for calling this the "Chinese virus", it started in China and had they not tried to hide it, we might not be dealing with this pandemic. What I don't understand is why Chinese virus is so wrong but we have no problem calling the flu pandemic of 1918 the Spanish Flu or the EMC/2012 the Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome. Either naming a flu after origin is wrong for all (even though it was a misunderstanding that had people thinking the 1918 pandemic started in Spain) or people are nitpicking this time.
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Post by deminmaine on Mar 19, 2020 8:13:52 GMT -5
There are numerous reports of people avoiding Chinese take out because of the supposed connection to the C-19 virus. This is both misconceived and economically harmful.
Don't get me wrong. I hope the President succeeds in his new found urgency to combat this pandemic, now that he recognizes the economic fall out. However I will certainly NOT let him off the hook for his hateful rhetoric, which has not abated.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 19, 2020 8:16:37 GMT -5
No, everyone is responsible for there behavior. However, leaders, whether in government or business, set a tone or culture. As a result, discourse in this country has deteriorated, and Trump is a direct cause. Look at some of the Democrats elected to Congress in the last election. People will default to the lowest denominator after a time of being high minded doesn’t work. Not everyone is as virtuous as you. If we want things to improve, we need something to change, and it should start at the top. I don’t like it any better than you, but that is the reality. Look at this board, people are making jokes about people dying from this virus and they think it’s funnyAnd that speaks volumes about them. I do think it is a little hypocritical when assholes on the right do/say horrible things the explanation is "they were always assholes but now Trump has given them an excuse to go public". Then the pious on the left say other people are disposable or joke and laugh about people dying from this pandemic. They were always assholes. Trump has now given them an excuse to no longer hide it. I voted for Trump but I do not use his behavior as an excuse to act like an asshole. Do you know why? Because I'm not actually an asshole.
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Post by oped on Mar 19, 2020 8:22:20 GMT -5
I applaud your personal civil manners MT. I also agree with P MD regarding the atrocious behavior of our "President". It continues to this day with him calling this the "Chinese" virus. Words matter, especially from our leaders. I have seen for a long time some local people acting like crap because trump signals they can. And they love it, and they defend him vociferously for the permission. It is vile and despicable, and it cripples hopes for national unity in this time of crisis. The only thing crippling hopes for national unity are the citizens of the US. As for calling this the "Chinese virus", it started in China and had they not tried to hide it, we might not be dealing with this pandemic. What I don't understand is why Chinese virus is so wrong but we have no problem calling the flu pandemic of 1918 the Spanish Flu or the EMC/2012 the Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome. Either naming a flu after origin is wrong for all (even though it was a misunderstanding that had people thinking the 1918 pandemic started in Spain) or people are nitpicking this time. The Spanish flu didn’t start in Spain. It likely started in Kansas. Spain had the most cases. Maybe we should be careful about naming things that way? It has a name. He was using Coronavirus/Covid till this week... the change was deliberate. If our president and his admin hadn’t been inept we might not be dealing with it... South Korea had their first case the same day we did... their response was astronomically better...
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 19, 2020 8:27:50 GMT -5
The only thing crippling hopes for national unity are the citizens of the US. As for calling this the "Chinese virus", it started in China and had they not tried to hide it, we might not be dealing with this pandemic. What I don't understand is why Chinese virus is so wrong but we have no problem calling the flu pandemic of 1918 the Spanish Flu or the EMC/2012 the Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome. Either naming a flu after origin is wrong for all (even though it was a misunderstanding that had people thinking the 1918 pandemic started in Spain) or people are nitpicking this time. The Spanish flu didn’t start in Spain. It likely started in Kansas. Spain had the most cases. Maybe we should be careful about naming things that way? It has a name. He was using Coronavirus/Covid till this week... the change was deliberate. If our president and his admin hadn’t been inept we might not be dealing with it... South Korea had their first case the same day we did... their response was astronomically better... The Swine Flu started in the US. Yes, trump's usage of "Chinese virus" is a racist deflection. Of course his cult followers defend it. Or claim there is nothing wrong with it. Defending racist slurs is just as bad as using them
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 19, 2020 8:29:59 GMT -5
No, everyone is responsible for there behavior. However, leaders, whether in government or business, set a tone or culture. As a result, discourse in this country has deteriorated, and Trump is a direct cause. Look at some of the Democrats elected to Congress in the last election. People will default to the lowest denominator after a time of being high minded doesn’t work. Not everyone is as virtuous as you. If we want things to improve, we need something to change, and it should start at the top. I don’t like it any better than you, but that is the reality. Look at this board, people are making jokes about people dying from this virus and they think it’s funnyAnd that speaks volumes about them. I do think it is a little hypocritical when assholes on the right do/say horrible things the explanation is "they were always assholes but now Trump has given them an excuse to go public". Then the pious on the left say other people are disposable or joke and laugh about people dying from this pandemic. They were always assholes. Trump has now given them an excuse to no longer hide it. I voted for Trump but I do not use his behavior as an excuse to act like an asshole. Do you know why? Because I'm not actually an asshole. Because naming conventions have change due to racism and xenophobia. Syphilis and gonorrhea used to be called ____ pox depending on where you were from. Would you like one of them to be called USA pox?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 19, 2020 8:30:05 GMT -5
There are numerous reports of people avoiding Chinese take out because of the supposed connection to the C-19 virus. This is both misconceived and economically harmful. Don't get me wrong. I hope the President succeeds in his new found urgency to combat this pandemic, now that he recognizes the economic fall out. However I will certainly NOT let him off the hook for his hateful rhetoric, which has not abated. i'm doing what I think is right for my family and for me. When this all stated, it WAS people travelling from China who were putting the rest of us at risk. I can understand the unease since there is no way to know who just came back from China and was potentially exposed. Because we didn't take the proper precautions, now ALL bars and sit-down restaurants have closed in my state. THAT is economically devastating. Avoiding people from China in the beginning was not xenophobic anymore than making people travelling to any of the impacted countries self-quarantine for 14 days. However, physically or verbally attacking the Chinese is disgusting and beyond wrong.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 19, 2020 8:33:27 GMT -5
The only thing crippling hopes for national unity are the citizens of the US. As for calling this the "Chinese virus", it started in China and had they not tried to hide it, we might not be dealing with this pandemic. What I don't understand is why Chinese virus is so wrong but we have no problem calling the flu pandemic of 1918 the Spanish Flu or the EMC/2012 the Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome. Either naming a flu after origin is wrong for all (even though it was a misunderstanding that had people thinking the 1918 pandemic started in Spain) or people are nitpicking this time. The Spanish flu didn’t start in Spain. It likely started in Kansas. Spain had the most cases. Maybe we should be careful about naming things that way? It has a name. He was using Coronavirus/Covid till this week... the change was deliberate. If our president and his admin hadn’t been inept we might not be dealing with it... South Korea had their first case the same day we did... their response was astronomically better... I said in our post that the Spanish flu didn't start in spain but people back then thought it did. Of course he is being deliberate in what he is calling it. He knows it riles people up so he does it even more. I'm not defending "why" he is doing it (it's petty) . I'm saying calling it the Chinese Virus is no more xenophobic than every other time something was named after a region.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 19, 2020 8:34:56 GMT -5
And that speaks volumes about them. I do think it is a little hypocritical when assholes on the right do/say horrible things the explanation is "they were always assholes but now Trump has given them an excuse to go public". Then the pious on the left say other people are disposable or joke and laugh about people dying from this pandemic. They were always assholes. Trump has now given them an excuse to no longer hide it. I voted for Trump but I do not use his behavior as an excuse to act like an asshole. Do you know why? Because I'm not actually an asshole. Because naming conventions have change due to racism and xenophobia. Syphilis and gonorrhea used to be called ____ pox depending on where you were from. Would you like one of them to be called USA pox? Except MERS was named less than a decade ago.... I wouldn't actually care if someone named a disease after the US. I don't actually get hung up on stupid stuff like that.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 19, 2020 8:43:16 GMT -5
Because naming conventions have change due to racism and xenophobia. Syphilis and gonorrhea used to be called ____ pox depending on where you were from. Would you like one of them to be called USA pox? Except MERS was named less than a decade ago.... I wouldn't actually care if someone named a disease after the US. I don't actually get hung up on stupid stuff like that. And not everyone is you, you don’t seem to get that. People who are not you will not follow rules and laws, that’s why we have them. Behavior can be broken into 3 groups. The virtuous souls who will always do the right thing, the people who will do anything as long as it benefits them, and a large muddle ground. Those people are the ones who can be swayed to either viewpoint. That is who we need to focus on. You continue to deflect based in your behavior. You want people who are quarantined to behave. If you get sick from one of them, it does not matter what you dis
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 19, 2020 8:46:31 GMT -5
Except MERS was named less than a decade ago.... I wouldn't actually care if someone named a disease after the US. I don't actually get hung up on stupid stuff like that. And not everyone is you, you don’t seem to get that. People who are not you will not follow rules and laws, that’s why we have them. Behavior can be broken into 3 groups. The virtuous souls who will always do the right thing, the people who will do anything as long as it benefits them, and a large muddle ground. Those people are the ones who can be swayed to either viewpoint. That is who we need to focus on. You continue to deflect based in your behavior. You want people who are quarantined to behave. If you get sick from one of them, it does not matter what you dis I'm not sure what the bolded has to do with what we were discussing. Are you saying those people on this board that are laughing and joking about politicians they do not like getting sick and dying are those people in the middle that can be swayed because of Trump? I'm really not following...
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 19, 2020 8:50:22 GMT -5
I take responsibility for my own words and actions. Notice I am not saying that I hope Pelosi or anyone else that I politically disagree with get it or that someone I dislike is disposable if they get it? And calling someplace a shithole is a far cry from calling a person disposable or wishing they would get Covid-19. There are plenty of places in teh US that I consider shitholes but that certainly doesn't mean I think the people that live there are disposable or that I wish them dead. I hold myself to my own standards of decency and don't use someone else's words as an excuse to act like an asshole. I see people on this board saying horrendous things about people they disagree with. I don't sink to that level. YMMV
I see people on this board saying horrendous things about people they disagree with. I don't sink to that level.Yes, we all know how perfect you are. You remind us at every opportunity. You have put words in my mouth and excoriated me for things I have not said. I know I'm not perfect. But I do try to not act like a complete asshole. I try to live by example. You and I will never agree on what makes a person good or bad. I almost always quote someone and have quoted you many of times. I also have acknowledged when I confuse posters. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 19, 2020 9:00:38 GMT -5
And not everyone is you, you don’t seem to get that. People who are not you will not follow rules and laws, that’s why we have them. Behavior can be broken into 3 groups. The virtuous souls who will always do the right thing, the people who will do anything as long as it benefits them, and a large muddle ground. Those people are the ones who can be swayed to either viewpoint. That is who we need to focus on. You continue to deflect based in your behavior. You want people who are quarantined to behave. If you get sick from one of them, it does not matter what you dis I'm not sure what the bolded has to do with what we were discussing. Are you saying those people on this board that are laughing and joking about politicians they do not like getting sick and dying are those people in the middle that can be swayed because of Trump? I'm really not following... It was a general point. Just because you wouldn’t care, there are a large group if people who would. Having a name, for example, that is scientifically accurate is easier for medical professionals and neutral in terms of response. Works for everyone. Also, in regards to behavior, do as I say, not as I do doesn’t work for that middle group
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 19, 2020 9:01:59 GMT -5
I see people on this board saying horrendous things about people they disagree with. I don't sink to that level.Yes, we all know how perfect you are. You remind us at every opportunity. You have put words in my mouth and excoriated me for things I have not said. I know I'm not perfect. But I do try to not act like a complete asshole. I try to live by example. You and I will never agree on what makes a person good or bad. I almost always quote someone and have quoted you many of times. I also have acknowledged when I confuse posters. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. No, you have deliberateky MISquoted me. And today, your current “example” is defending a racist slur.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 19, 2020 9:09:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the bolded has to do with what we were discussing. Are you saying those people on this board that are laughing and joking about politicians they do not like getting sick and dying are those people in the middle that can be swayed because of Trump? I'm really not following... It was a general point. Just because you wouldn’t care, there are a large group if people who would. Having a name, for example, that is scientifically accurate is easier for medical professionals and neutral in terms of response. Works for everyone. Also, in regards to behavior, do as I say, not as I do doesn’t work for that middle group Gotcha
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Post by oped on Mar 19, 2020 9:23:01 GMT -5
My biggest issue is the obvious change FROM covid/coronavirus to Chinese. The decision behind that change is divisive and xenophobic and best case scenario without care as to how Asian Americans are treated.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 19, 2020 10:03:10 GMT -5
My biggest issue is the obvious change FROM covid/coronavirus to Chinese. The decision behind that change is divisive and xenophobic and best case scenario without care as to how Asian Americans are treated. It was not a big deal to him before, so he called it “corona virus”. Now that he seems to finally recognize the threat, he started calling it the “Chinese” virus. It’s deliberately devisive and designed to appeal to his racist base who claim there is nothing “wrong” with his usage of the term. And during the election, he will blame the Chinese for the stock market crash, the recession, the high unemployment, the sick and dying people. And his base will parrot him. And some of his base will attack Asian Americans like Dr Chu. He is disgusting.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Mar 19, 2020 10:10:27 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone thinks MM getting out of congress anyway possible will do more for this country then anything other then trump out.
Doesn't matter to me how. This is for the greater good.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 19, 2020 10:24:30 GMT -5
... Avoiding people from China in the beginning was not xenophobic anymore than making people travelling to any of the impacted countries self-quarantine for 14 days. However, physically or verbally attacking the Chinese is disgusting and beyond wrong. If we were able to accurately identify people as having come from China, then you would have a point. But instead of avoiding people who came from China, people are avoiding people who have a facial appearance that makes people think they came from there.
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