How Is Everyone Holding Up?

[mmhmm]

Mar 20, 2020 11:44:52 GMT -5 Happy prose said:

What's the difference between a respirator and a ventilator? I always thought it was the same thing.

A respirator is a mask worn over the nose and mouth to protect the wearer from inhalation of hazardous particulates, fumes, etc.  A ventilator is a machine that, basically, breathes for a patient who cannot breathe for him/herself.

[mmhmm]

Mar 20, 2020 11:25:12 GMT -5 dezii said:

Mar 20, 2020 11:06:22 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

This hasn't been approved by the FDA yet so can't be used here. The involved drugs, I believe, are hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.

I thought I read or heard that they were going to speed things up, cut corners regarding the FDA if the drugs have been around a long time with few side affects when dispensed...

This isn't something one wants to shortcut too much. You're using two drugs together both of which have side effects. You want to be sure the benefits outweigh the risks. That's what these tests are for.

[busymom]

I'm a more than a little concerned about our out-of-state move that is supposed to take place next month.  I'm wondering how strictly some states will be enforcing their "shelter-in-place" directives.  As long as we can drive on the interstate, we should be o.k., but to get trapped between Point A & Point B would be awful, as DS is on prescription medications, and he must be able to get his meds.  So, some more stuff to worry about besides the typical move.  I'm the planner of the family, but there really isn't much you can plan for when the entire virus situation is chaotic.  So, we're bringing our face masks, some hand sanitizer, and praying we don't pick up anything along the way.


By the way, DH is suggesting we bring a few packages of TP along in case I need a "bribe".  I'm thinking that may not be a bad idea.    

[pulmonarymd]

Mar 20, 2020 11:55:06 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Mar 20, 2020 11:25:12 GMT -5 dezii said:

I thought I read or heard that they were going to speed things up, cut corners regarding the FDA if the drugs have been around a long time with few side affects when dispensed...

This isn't something one wants to shortcut too much. You're using two drugs together both of which have side effects. You want to be sure the benefits outweigh the risks. That's what these tests are for.

That combination of treatment is being done as anti-inflammatory treatment, not antiviral therapy. In May opinion, it has a low likelihood of success. This idea for treatment has been tried with many different drugs over the years without much in the way of effectiveness. It is used on patients with severe lung injury, but it will do little to stop or slow down the spread of disease. Notwithstanding, proving that this will be shown to be effective is going to take a fairly significant length of time.

[pulmonarymd]

Both drugs have been approved by the FDA. Once that has been done, they can be used by any physician for any reason. Not that that’s advisable

[kadee79]

Mar 20, 2020 15:12:37 GMT -5 busymom said:

I'm a more than a little concerned about our out-of-state move that is supposed to take place next month.  I'm wondering how strictly some states will be enforcing their "shelter-in-place" directives.  As long as we can drive on the interstate, we should be o.k., but to get trapped between Point A & Point B would be awful, as DS is on prescription medications, and he must be able to get his meds.  So, some more stuff to worry about besides the typical move.  I'm the planner of the family, but there really isn't much you can plan for when the entire virus situation is chaotic.  So, we're bringing our face masks, some hand sanitizer, and praying we don't pick up anything along the way.


By the way, DH is suggesting we bring a few packages of TP along in case I need a "bribe".  I'm thinking that may not be a bad idea.    

Call the state police in all the states you need to travel thru to find out what is going on before attempting to do the move.
Also, find out from where you are moving to if utilities can be turned on, etc. prior to leaving.

[NastyWoman]

Mar 20, 2020 15:12:37 GMT -5 busymom said:

I'm a more than a little concerned about our out-of-state move that is supposed to take place next month.  I'm wondering how strictly some states will be enforcing their "shelter-in-place" directives.  As long as we can drive on the interstate, we should be o.k., but to get trapped between Point A & Point B would be awful, as DS is on prescription medications, and he must be able to get his meds.  So, some more stuff to worry about besides the typical move.  I'm the planner of the family, but there really isn't much you can plan for when the entire virus situation is chaotic.  So, we're bringing our face masks, some hand sanitizer, and praying we don't pick up anything along the way.


By the way, DH is suggesting we bring a few packages of TP along in case I need a "bribe".  I'm thinking that may not be a bad idea.    

What did I miss? Are you moving again? Are you moving back to your home state?

[busymom]

Mar 20, 2020 20:37:05 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Mar 20, 2020 15:12:37 GMT -5 busymom said:

I'm a more than a little concerned about our out-of-state move that is supposed to take place next month.  I'm wondering how strictly some states will be enforcing their "shelter-in-place" directives.  As long as we can drive on the interstate, we should be o.k., but to get trapped between Point A & Point B would be awful, as DS is on prescription medications, and he must be able to get his meds.  So, some more stuff to worry about besides the typical move.  I'm the planner of the family, but there really isn't much you can plan for when the entire virus situation is chaotic.  So, we're bringing our face masks, some hand sanitizer, and praying we don't pick up anything along the way.


By the way, DH is suggesting we bring a few packages of TP along in case I need a "bribe".  I'm thinking that may not be a bad idea.    

What did I miss? Are you moving again? Are you moving back to your home state?

     I'll PM you.  

[happyhoix]

Mar 20, 2020 15:12:37 GMT -5 busymom said:

I'm a more than a little concerned about our out-of-state move that is supposed to take place next month.  I'm wondering how strictly some states will be enforcing their "shelter-in-place" directives.  As long as we can drive on the interstate, we should be o.k., but to get trapped between Point A & Point B would be awful, as DS is on prescription medications, and he must be able to get his meds.  So, some more stuff to worry about besides the typical move.  I'm the planner of the family, but there really isn't much you can plan for when the entire virus situation is chaotic.  So, we're bringing our face masks, some hand sanitizer, and praying we don't pick up anything along the way.


By the way, DH is suggesting we bring a few packages of TP along in case I need a "bribe".  I'm thinking that may not be a bad idea.    

Also in our area (S.E. TN) they had a news report the other day saying that the rest stop bathrooms are locked and ‘sit down’ restaurants are closed (take out only) so you might want to bring a picnic with you, and maybe some TP so you can pee au natural.

[happyhoix]

Our area only has 5 confirmed cases so far but the mayor has imposed some stiff measures- gyms closed, restaurants doing takeout only, no church or movie theaters. I’m really hoping this slows the number of cases so our hospitals are not overwhelmed like in Italy

[violagirl]

Our province only has a few cases, but I have been impressed by most people's response. Streets are pretty bare. All non-essential retail businesses are closed, restaurants can only do delivery I think. Government considers the cannabis and liquor stores essential services though so there is a bright light. No meetings over 50 people (but most people are limiting that even more), at work no more than 10 people are allowed into the office at once. 

Most people at work are working from home which is really testing our internal network.   

I have several friends who are now unemployed. I think the Prime Minister said yesterday that 500,000 people have already applied for Employment Insurance. I know many more will have to apply in April. My husband works for a company ancillary to the airline industry so it has been a rough week. He was pretty sure last week there would be layoffs. Sure enough on Monday a bunch of their staff was let go. Fortunately he and a few others were kept on, albeit with a 20% paycut for now. So better than we were anticipating but still not great. My brother and sister in law took an ill advised cruise at the beginning of March and JUST got back home before they stopped flights from the US. They don't get a lot of sympathy from us for having to quarantine for 14 days because they were advised not to go in the first place. I did however drop off groceries, their car and picked up their dog from the kennel for them. 

We are in the end stages of building a house and had to flog the builder to finish it this week as every day that goes by more and more businesses are closing. We have movers scheduled for Monday and hope they do not change their minds. Our contractor and his wife have to do the final house clean themselves because they cannot find a cleaner willing to do it. 

So moving into a "stretch" house with potential loss of one job is a little stressful. In addition to the uncertainty of having it finished on time. I'm not worried about losing my job. I figure if the government stops collecting taxes I'll have more worries at that point than my career. 

However, we are going to scale back our new house purchases - we had planned to buy some furniture etc but are going to wait a bit for that now. 

So its been an extremely stressful week. I was sitting on the stairs last night surround by boxes and drinking a beer and felt myself starting to get teary. I'm not normally a weeper, but even I have my limit for stress. I suppose what is the most stressful is having no conceptual basis for what comes next. In our province they are saying the peak is likely at least 5 weeks away so we haven't really seen anything yet. It's like seeing a storm in the distance coming and hoping you are prepared but having no frame of reference for it. 

At first we were like - ok it's a bad flu, but over the last couple of weeks seeing the measures the government is taking - its really hitting home this is no joke. They are mobilizing industry to fight this - like it's war coming. Fortunately we had the SARS scare several years ago so there was some epidemic preparedness that has happened. 

Now if only I can convince my 70 year old father with heart disease and diabetes to take it seriously. 

[Artemis Windsong]

My H.and I are retired.  We moved our IRAs to money market but left the rest since we didn't want or could handle the tax hit.

We are at our winter home 55 and older resort which is closed to outsiders.  (I nearly blew a gasket when I saw the neighbor across the street with 2 out of state cars with kids flying all over the place.)  All sports facilities, the community center are closed.  The golf course is still open until one worker gets the virus.  The Canadians are leaving so things are pretty quiet.

Pollen count is high.

We don't have a primary care physician in this state even though we have tried  to find one.

I have 3 family members that work in the medical areas, which is a concern.  Two in nursing homes.  One EMT.  Two volunteer firemen.

My new great grandson is just 10 days old.  He was born in the hospital and will need weekly check ups.  That is scary.

The tennis calories I burned and I'm not burning now will be a problem.  I cannot not eat that many calories.  If I were younger, I could handle that easier.

We have maybe 3 weeks of food. 

On TV, the National Guard is going to help move supplies to grocers.

In my home state one grocer is hiring people who have been put out of work to stock shelves. 

So far, we are doing well. 

[oped]

Had a panic attack this morning. Doing ok now. Going to try to stay off social media more.

[chiver78]

Mar 23, 2020 6:22:43 GMT -5 oped said:

Had a panic attack this morning. Doing ok now. Going to try to stay off social media more.

I had one yesterday when after explaining my adventures at the vet to a friend in the medical profession. she reassured me that everything I had worried about while I was sitting there waiting on the dr was exactly what I should have been worried about.     cue panic attack. 

take care of you, however you need to. 

[Blonde Granny]

I guess I'm too old or just to lazy to get all worked up over something I have no control of. We can only do our best, attempt to make good/right decisions and hold on tight to those we love.

My life would be so much easier if my DH hadn't died 4.5 years ago. But that's not the way it is.....onward Blonde Granny, today depends on what you do, nothing more or nothing less.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 23, 2020 6:22:43 GMT -5 oped said:

Had a panic attack this morning. Doing ok now. Going to try to stay off social media more.

social media is a cesspool on it's best day.

on a day like today, it is far worse.

try to stick to official news channels and if you need a good freakout the medical sites.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 23, 2020 7:37:46 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Mar 23, 2020 6:22:43 GMT -5 oped said:

Had a panic attack this morning. Doing ok now. Going to try to stay off social media more.

I had one yesterday when after explaining my adventures at the vet to a friend in the medical profession. she reassured me that everything I had worried about while I was sitting there waiting on the dr was exactly what I should have been worried about.     cue panic attack. 

take care of you, however you need to. 

I had one a week ago, and then I realized that people were finally taking this thing seriously.....so I calmed down.

[happyhoix]

Mar 23, 2020 16:11:13 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 23, 2020 7:37:46 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I had one yesterday when after explaining my adventures at the vet to a friend in the medical profession. she reassured me that everything I had worried about while I was sitting there waiting on the dr was exactly what I should have been worried about.     cue panic attack. 

take care of you, however you need to. 

I had one a week ago, and then I realized that people were finally taking this thing seriously.....so I calmed down.

I’m taking the ostrich approach- haven’t checked my 401 since the melt down started and I’m limiting internet and television news. Working from home, wearing PPE if I have to go out for essentials and distracting myself with tv.

We’re overcome dark days before. We just need to help each other, take precautions, avoid panic and be kind.

[sesfw]

DH is almost 82 and NOT a patient  man.

Need I say more?





I'm doing fine.

[chiver78]

Mar 23, 2020 16:11:13 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 23, 2020 7:37:46 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I had one yesterday when after explaining my adventures at the vet to a friend in the medical profession. she reassured me that everything I had worried about while I was sitting there waiting on the dr was exactly what I should have been worried about.     cue panic attack. 

take care of you, however you need to. 

I had one a week ago, and then I realized that people were finally taking this thing seriously.....so I calmed down.

how are you doing with the apparent 180 from the Oval Office, with indications that he is going to lift restrictions way earlier than actual scientists recommend? I'm having a bit of a rough morning today. 

[swamp]

Mar 20, 2020 16:11:33 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Both drugs have been approved by the FDA. Once that has been done, they can be used by any physician for any reason. Not that that’s advisable

DH is a pharmacist.  He goes ballistic every time Trump touts this "miracle cure." 

[swamp]

All you YM fuckers have ruined me. 

DH is currently not working, and my office is not bringing in any money.   I have plenty of savings but I'm just about ready to have a stroke at the thought of dipping into them.  

[thyme4change]

Mar 24, 2020 10:59:54 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Mar 23, 2020 16:11:13 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I had one a week ago, and then I realized that people were finally taking this thing seriously.....so I calmed down.

how are you doing with the apparent 180 from the Oval Office, with indications that he is going to lift restrictions way earlier than actual scientists recommend? I'm having a bit of a rough morning today. 

He has kind of done a 360 if you think about it.

[swamp]

Mar 24, 2020 11:09:22 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Mar 24, 2020 10:59:54 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

how are you doing with the apparent 180 from the Oval Office, with indications that he is going to lift restrictions way earlier than actual scientists recommend? I'm having a bit of a rough morning today. 

He has kind of done a 360 if you think about it.

more like the tazmanian devil.  he's all over the place 

[thyme4change]

Mar 24, 2020 11:10:47 GMT -5 swamp said:

Mar 24, 2020 11:09:22 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

He has kind of done a 360 if you think about it.

more like the tazmanian devil.  he's all over the place 

🤣


True

😩

[chiver78]

Mar 24, 2020 11:10:47 GMT -5 swamp said:

Mar 24, 2020 11:09:22 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

He has kind of done a 360 if you think about it.

more like the tazmanian devil.  he's all over the place 

^that. 

I meant a 180 from having somehow accepted the voice of reason in adjusting his tone and rhetoric during his campaign rallies pressers. 

I'm actually okay with staying home and isolating for longer than already planned. other than this whole closing on the sale of my house thing, I am discovering I can legit work remotely 100% of the time and won't have a problem finding a really cheap place to hide out for a few months after this sale - if I don't go to that short term rental that's pretty ideal on its own - and waiting it all out. I have zero faith that the majority voice of reason and common fucking sense will prevail over the idiots like our POtuS who can't or won't fucking figure it out. 

[tallguy]

Mar 24, 2020 11:01:42 GMT -5 swamp said:

Mar 20, 2020 16:11:33 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Both drugs have been approved by the FDA. Once that has been done, they can be used by any physician for any reason. Not that that’s advisable

DH is a pharmacist.  He goes ballistic every time Trump touts this "miracle cure." 

For good reason.  

A Phoenix-area man is dead and his wife is under critical care after the two took chloroquine phosphate in an apparent attempt to self-medicate for the novel coronavirus, according to hospital system Banner Health.  It does not appear they took the pharmaceutical version of the drug, but rather "an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks," Banner Health said in a statement.

Though Banner did not provide additional details, NBC News spoke to the wife, who said they learned of chloroquine's connection to coronavirus during a President Donald Trump news conference, which "was on a lot actually." They took it because they "were afraid of getting sick," she said.

"I had (the substance) in the house because I used to have koi fish," she told the network. "I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, 'Hey, isn't that the stuff they're talking about on TV?'"

Fearing coronavirus, Arizona man dies after taking a form of chloroquine used in aquariums

[swamp]

Mar 24, 2020 11:24:54 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mar 24, 2020 11:01:42 GMT -5 swamp said:

DH is a pharmacist.  He goes ballistic every time Trump touts this "miracle cure." 

For good reason.  

A Phoenix-area man is dead and his wife is under critical care after the two took chloroquine phosphate in an apparent attempt to self-medicate for the novel coronavirus, according to hospital system Banner Health.  It does not appear they took the pharmaceutical version of the drug, but rather "an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks," Banner Health said in a statement.

Though Banner did not provide additional details, NBC News spoke to the wife, who said they learned of chloroquine's connection to coronavirus during a President Donald Trump news conference, which "was on a lot actually." They took it because they "were afraid of getting sick," she said.

"I had (the substance) in the house because I used to have koi fish," she told the network. "I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, 'Hey, isn't that the stuff they're talking about on TV?'"

Fearing coronavirus, Arizona man dies after taking a form of chloroquine used in aquariums

Yup, he did say someone would die from taking this drug without medical supervision. 

Also, people with Lupus and Rheumatoid arthritis are now having a problem filling their prescriptions. 

[pulmonarymd]

Mar 24, 2020 11:01:42 GMT -5 swamp said:

Mar 20, 2020 16:11:33 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Both drugs have been approved by the FDA. Once that has been done, they can be used by any physician for any reason. Not that that’s advisable

DH is a pharmacist.  He goes ballistic every time Trump touts this "miracle cure." 

I have been doing icu work for 40 years. I am over miracle cures, major advancements, etc. progress is generally incremental. Things have improved. A healthy skeptic is needed on any treatment, especially when so little information is available. Trump is doing the “wish in one hand and shit in the other” trick, and thinking we are not going to notice which one fills up. Malpractice if you ask me, but we shall see

[pulmonarymd]

Mar 24, 2020 11:29:13 GMT -5 swamp said:

Mar 24, 2020 11:24:54 GMT -5 tallguy said:

For good reason.  
Fearing coronavirus, Arizona man dies after taking a form of chloroquine used in aquariums

Yup, he did say someone would die from taking this drug without medical supervision. 

Also, people with Lupus and Rheumatoid arthritis are now having a problem filling their prescriptions. 

We can’t get it now, and outpatient pharmacies around here are keeping for people on it chronically. If I was taking it, I’d be pushed about it jay he is doing to hype the drug