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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 14, 2020 22:14:05 GMT -5
Shit where is this all going?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 22:39:17 GMT -5
Martial Law it sounds like, at least for a bit of time.
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Post by CCL on Mar 14, 2020 23:16:14 GMT -5
Why do you say that?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 14, 2020 23:18:05 GMT -5
Is probably over. I am not attacking people over TP but I'm fairly confident if we go the way of Italy or France that only the elite will thrive. The rest of us will likely feel the economic and educational effects at least through our lifetimes.
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Post by CCL on Mar 15, 2020 0:00:05 GMT -5
I really feel for everyone who is going to have work and/or childcare issues. Obviously anyone with health issues, too. I'm just hoping the worst of it will be over within a week or two and the ripple effects don't last for long.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 0:36:35 GMT -5
I really feel for everyone who is going to have work and/or childcare issues. Obviously anyone with health issues, too. I'm just hoping the worst of it will be over within a week or two and the ripple effects don't last for long. The "peak" is expected to last 6 weeks to 3 months for the first wave. The problem I see when comparing other countries to the US is other countries tend to have universal health care and better working conditions. In this country you have a shit-ton of people who after a week or two of not working will be in serious trouble financially and who don't have any decent access to healthcare. The bill passed does nothing for non-W2 employees, and it doesn't even prevent you from having to make student loan payments even if your job closes and you have no income, so how's that helpful? I, personally, fear social unrest much more than the illness, at least in the US. Not to mention the US seems to be sugar-coating what this can really be much more than other countries where people are taking it very seriously. That is at the root of the problem with spread - Faux News watchers argue it's "just a cold" and this is "media hype". It's not. www.insider.com/people-in-italy-are-trapped-home-with-bodies-coronavirus-victims-2020-3And, actual Italian doctor...
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Post by scottcool on Mar 15, 2020 0:49:24 GMT -5
Martial Law it sounds like, at least for a bit of time. Im betting if not by Monday then during the week.
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Post by jeffreymo on Mar 15, 2020 1:09:43 GMT -5
Think some states will be going on lock down this week. We’ve all been given a chance to prepare now and there are still large numbers of non-vulnerables who are ignoring the social distancing request.
I’m sure some of you have seen videos of college aged kids out partying and on spring break trips. Instead of closing dorms and campuses maybe they should be letting these kids go back to their dorms to be isolated. Their infection rate is likely pretty high. It doesn’t make sense to me to send them all home where they infect their hometowns - but this is what every school seems to be doing.
I think some of us will be able to work from home for a little while until the work /money to pay us runs out. I think layoffs are inevitable and unemployment is going to skyrocket.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 1:30:43 GMT -5
There is a bar up the street that has a giant tent for St Patricks Day weekend and they didn't cancel, from the pictures online it is packed right now.
This is after the state of IL shut down schools and every town I know of shut down local festivals.
Reality is gonna catch up quick for these people.
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Post by giramomma on Mar 15, 2020 6:29:38 GMT -5
Think some states will be going on lock down this week. We’ve all been given a chance to prepare now and there are still large numbers of non-vulnerables who are ignoring the social distancing request. I’m sure some of you have seen videos of college aged kids out partying and on spring break trips. Instead of closing dorms and campuses maybe they should be letting these kids go back to their dorms to be isolated. Their infection rate is likely pretty high. It doesn’t make sense to me to send them all home where they infect their hometowns - but this is what every school seems to be doing. I think some of us will be able to work from home for a little while until the work /money to pay us runs out. I think layoffs are inevitable and unemployment is going to skyrocket. Who is going to take care of the kids on campuses? The college student population can add 20% to my city's population. There's no room for cars, which means uber or bus to medical facilities.
Our university cut down on janitorial staff in 2008/2009 as a cost saving measure. Those positions have not been filled. We CAN"T fill the ones that are open. Used to be immigrants would fill them. That's dropped off precipitously in the past few years. If we can't get folks to clean in normal circumstances, do you think folks are going to clean a building rampant with COVID-19 for $12/hour?
We have no kitchens in our dorms.. Students must leave the building to get food. I think a mini-fridge was provided. Most bring a microwave. Who is going to provide MREs to 7K kids for the next month?
How long is the university supposed to house the kids? If we're looking at 2 months...that's a long time. I think parents are going to want to get their freshman. This could extend past the end of the semester...
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Post by jeffreymo on Mar 15, 2020 6:48:40 GMT -5
Think some states will be going on lock down this week. We’ve all been given a chance to prepare now and there are still large numbers of non-vulnerables who are ignoring the social distancing request. I’m sure some of you have seen videos of college aged kids out partying and on spring break trips. Instead of closing dorms and campuses maybe they should be letting these kids go back to their dorms to be isolated. Their infection rate is likely pretty high. It doesn’t make sense to me to send them all home where they infect their hometowns - but this is what every school seems to be doing. I think some of us will be able to work from home for a little while until the work /money to pay us runs out. I think layoffs are inevitable and unemployment is going to skyrocket. Who is going to take care of the kids on campuses? The college student population can add 20% to my city's population. There's no room for cars, which means uber or bus to medical facilities.
Our university cut down on janitorial staff in 2008/2009 as a cost saving measure. Those positions have not been filled. We CAN"T fill the ones that are open. Used to be immigrants would fill them. That's dropped off precipitously in the past few years. If we can't get folks to clean in normal circumstances, do you think folks are going to clean a building rampant with COVID-19 for $12/hour?
We have no kitchens in our dorms.. Students must leave the building to get food. I think a mini-fridge was provided. Most bring a microwave. Who is going to provide MREs to 7K kids for the next month?
How long is the university supposed to house the kids? If we're looking at 2 months...that's a long time. I think parents are going to want to get their freshman. This could extend past the end of the semester... Yea, I guess probably a bad idea.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 15, 2020 9:39:59 GMT -5
Not only that, how long do you keep them, indefinitely? Dorms are a setup for rapid spread of an infection, and emptying them out will decrease the chance of spread
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Post by oped on Mar 15, 2020 9:50:31 GMT -5
Daughter and her boyfriend said they planned to go up Monday and hang out with friends while they emptied their dorm rooms... maybe come back in a few days?!!? Turns out lots didn’t leave for spring break and at least some are going back to stay. All of them are still interacting.
Boyfriends mom and I concurred and put down feet... dads and kids went up today and will bring everything home. They can stop for dumplings but will live long and prosper their friends...
Since they extended break hopefully we are in and out before too many ‘get back’... I really don’t understand how current efforts are going to stop any spread. I hold their response up to son’s school which is so much more efficient and on the ball and there really is no comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 9:57:37 GMT -5
Martial Law it sounds like, at least for a bit of time. Im betting if not by Monday then during the week. Unfortunately, I don't think the US will get on board soon enough and that's leading to a lot more spread, need for hospitalization, and death than necessary. It's a proven fact, not a freaking democratic opinion, that if you don't lock people down and flatten out the curve, the healthcare system is going to get hammered. I watched a JAMA interview last night. Of the 7K cases in Italy, 1K of them are healthcare workers. Imagine that in the US when scaled up to how many workers we have who are already complaining there isn't protective equipment to treat the limited patients they already have. My local health department posts the infection/death numbers for Oregon daily on FB. I asked if they had actually tested anyone in this county and their answer wasn't yes, it was "we have the kits if needed in the future". So, NO ONE here has even been tested. WTF I really, really wish the American public would turn off both CNN and Faux and watch some international news to see what's actually going on around the world and push to protect our own country.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 10:14:26 GMT -5
Think some states will be going on lock down this week. We’ve all been given a chance to prepare now and there are still large numbers of non-vulnerables who are ignoring the social distancing request. I’m sure some of you have seen videos of college aged kids out partying and on spring break trips. Instead of closing dorms and campuses maybe they should be letting these kids go back to their dorms to be isolated. Their infection rate is likely pretty high. It doesn’t make sense to me to send them all home where they infect their hometowns - but this is what every school seems to be doing. I think some of us will be able to work from home for a little while until the work /money to pay us runs out. I think layoffs are inevitable and unemployment is going to skyrocket.I have freelanced for the same company in Utah for over 10 years. I got a notice the other day that as of April 1 they will no longer be offering any work to their 200+ freelancers. None of whom are eligible for any sort of help with federal bill that was passed nor unemployment. I've also wondered what happens after companies send people to work from home. There's only so much work before it runs out because the country is locked down. And, companies who aren't earning money aren't going to keep employees around. Plus, look at all the support staff who simply can't work from home. And, most people in this country get their health insurance from their employers.
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Post by jerseygirl on Mar 15, 2020 11:36:09 GMT -5
I belong to an app local group - Next Door People are posting they are available to go to store to buy groceries etc for high risk seniors, others
But all the groceries have been touched by others who might be contagious. People think if they use gloves all is ok but the gloves pick up virus
I shopped on Friday and separated items needing to go in refrigerator or freezer and either poured alcohol or wiped with Lysol wipe and let sit in sink for an hour. Then threw clothes and bags in washer and washed hands face Other items just left in trunk of car for 3 or 4 days, hopefully virus is gone or mostly gone by then
Daughter-in-law did same thing, we found out later when chatting on message I took Micro in college and am trying to be reasonable but contamination may be over anything touched by infected person
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 15, 2020 11:49:30 GMT -5
I only purchased non-perishable items which are yet to be shelved . My cupboards already were shelved with non-perishable items which I will use up first. The un-shelved new purchases won't be used for several weeks so any virus which may be on them will be long dead by then.
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Post by souldoubt on Mar 15, 2020 12:40:38 GMT -5
Based on what Fauci is saying I would think it's more than likely that only grocery stores, walmart/target, CVS, walgreens, etc. will be open to limit social interaction. Italy didn't take it serious enough and people with the virus who either had mild symptoms or no symptoms at all were out socializing and ended up taking it back to older relatives. Whatever flattens the curve will help the healthcare system deal with those that need care. It's not the end of the world and hopefully we come out stronger from it and reassess certain things like being prepared at home and an over reliance on certain things (see antibiotics of which ~80% are made in China) that are produced in other countries.
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Post by jeffreymo on Mar 15, 2020 13:03:08 GMT -5
Ohio’s governor says it’s likely kids won’t be returning to school this school year. That just boggles my mind. Does that mean social distancing will still be in effect in May?
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Post by oped on Mar 15, 2020 13:04:00 GMT -5
Ohio’s governor says it’s likely kids won’t be returning to school this school year. That just boggles my mind. Does that mean social distancing will still be in effect in May? I believe China has been off school since January?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 15, 2020 13:33:45 GMT -5
Ohio’s governor says it’s likely kids won’t be returning to school this school year. That just boggles my mind. Does that mean social distancing will still be in effect in May? Yes, based on what is going on in China. Not likely to peak for at least 1 month at the earliest, and then will slowly decline as summer approaches. Concern is we don’t now if it will re-emerge in the winter like influenza did in 1918
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Post by giramomma on Mar 15, 2020 14:00:48 GMT -5
CDC is recommending that schools close for 8 weeks. It's going to be interesting to see how public schools handle it. I'm a little worried that they are going to say "Oh, whatever grades you got as of 3/14..that's your final grade for the year." My oldest is not a school kiddo, and could be in jeopardy of needing to redo most of this semester if that's that case...he could possibly not graduate in 4 years...(Though, some of this, completely, is his fault).
I think a statement of "oh, whatever you get as of 3/14 is what you get for the year" is also easier to handle at the HS level, even middle school. At the elementary school level, though...I'm assuming kids still need 3 months, give or take, of an education to prep them for the next grade. So, if school is permanently done for this academic year, how does that affect future years? If my 2nd grader was in public school, does that mean she would start 3rd grade behind the ball?
Extending the school year into the summer gets dicey..when you start looking at summer school. There's only so many weeks of slack during the summer, not enough to make up for school if the kids are out for 8 weeks.
As for my work, I'm in higher ed, and stuff is going online. We also do professional development, and that is looking to go online as well. I'm fortunate, because I have a ton of work, between supporting current efforts and getting ready for the summer and fall semesters. And, even if I had less work, I wouldn't really complain. I've been doing the work of 2+ others for the past two years. Doing the work of one person, honestly, would be a welcome relief.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 14:01:19 GMT -5
According to Fouchi (sp) the peak isn't here and is expected to last 6 weeks to 3 months.
Italy has people in quarantine for over a month and counting.
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Post by oped on Mar 15, 2020 14:05:18 GMT -5
G it’s possible some switch to distance? That will be easier in schools that are already 1:1.
No elementary student should be held back due to grades...
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Post by jerseygirl on Mar 15, 2020 14:15:17 GMT -5
Cousin’s husband grew up in Berlin during the war. No school for years in elementary and high school beyond what his mom and disabled uncle could do. Mostly reading then when Russians invaded there was complete chaos. Yet he went on to medical school in east Berlin and when he moved to US became head of a department at medical school in Connecticut Don’t stress, let kids read as much as possible, get outside and hike, let them learn to cook wash clothes if old enough, etc They will be ok
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 15, 2020 14:44:03 GMT -5
Agree with jerseygirl’s advice
My sister, growing up, had a total of 3 year’s formal education. She is a college graduate
Note- there was no internet and no gaming. She read a LOT.
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Post by giramomma on Mar 15, 2020 15:08:53 GMT -5
It's my 10th grader I'm worried about, right now. I'm pretty sure that they aren't just going to pass him if he doesn't have at least a D average...with school closed and no plans to take courses online at all, if they call grades today...well, I'm not sure how much of the semester right now he'd have to make up.
And while I'd love to say that he'll be able to breeze through the rest of his high school career, even if doesn't pass a whole semester, the reality is that's not the case right now. While the high schools are taking measures to allow kids to graduate with low grades more easy, they aren't exactly forgiving a whole semester so that a kiddo can graduate on time.
And soft skills like cooking (which he's getting quite good at) and knowing how to clean the house (which he does) aren't going to be enough to prepare him for full time participation in the workforce in a few years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 15:52:33 GMT -5
I am beyond furious that our local Catholic churches still held Mass today, with attendance about 50% of usual. I understand the need for spiritual support during trying times, but there are many online options. I "went" to my church's 11 am service via FB live; less than 50 people in the building including all staff and volunteers. And they observed a safe distance between one another while onstage.
People just aren't taking this seriously at all.
And, yes, I expect martial law soon.
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Post by oped on Mar 15, 2020 15:55:10 GMT -5
It's my 10th grader I'm worried about, right now. I'm pretty sure that they aren't just going to pass him if he doesn't have at least a D average...with school closed and no plans to take courses online at all, if they call grades today...well, I'm not sure how much of the semester right now he'd have to make up.
And while I'd love to say that he'll be able to breeze through the rest of his high school career, even if doesn't pass a whole semester, the reality is that's not the case right now. While the high schools are taking measures to allow kids to graduate with low grades more easy, they aren't exactly forgiving a whole semester so that a kiddo can graduate on time.
And soft skills like cooking (which he's getting quite good at) and knowing how to clean the house (which he does) aren't going to be enough to prepare him for full time participation in the workforce in a few years.
Does he have a job?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 17:58:01 GMT -5
It's my 10th grader I'm worried about, right now. I'm pretty sure that they aren't just going to pass him if he doesn't have at least a D average...with school closed and no plans to take courses online at all, if they call grades today...well, I'm not sure how much of the semester right now he'd have to make up.
And while I'd love to say that he'll be able to breeze through the rest of his high school career, even if doesn't pass a whole semester, the reality is that's not the case right now. While the high schools are taking measures to allow kids to graduate with low grades more easy, they aren't exactly forgiving a whole semester so that a kiddo can graduate on time.
And soft skills like cooking (which he's getting quite good at) and knowing how to clean the house (which he does) aren't going to be enough to prepare him for full time participation in the workforce in a few years.
Is he failing all his classes or just a couple? Here there is no holding back, you just make up classes in the summer, online, or during later years in place of taking a study hall or elective. I'd think they'd have to come up with some alternative way to make up grades because it's so early in the semester. I'll bet at lot of kids are in the same boat with low grades right now. I don't know how our school is going to do it with the band students though. Currently DS has 2 band classes and has no way of getting the points he needs under the current grading rubric, but they say by Wednesday they'll have answers. Mostly I'm just sad that it looks like he's going to miss his last couple months of senior year.
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