bean29
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 22:26:57 GMT -5
Posts: 9,921
|
Post by bean29 on Mar 22, 2020 16:00:39 GMT -5
I went to my doctor’s office on Tuesday and they took my and DH’s temperature before we could go in. The only reason DH was allowed was because I was confirming I was going to miscarry (I was and suspect I have already). Otherwise, he would not have been allowed in. So sorry Taz.
|
|
Gardening Grandma
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 13:39:46 GMT -5
Posts: 17,962
|
Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 22, 2020 16:01:26 GMT -5
Well, there aren’t enough kits, so it’s academic. We have 6 confirmed cases in my county (one was a woman in her 20’s who was around a LOT of people). But there are very narrow parameters to be tested even here. what do you mean by 'academic'? we are going to pay the price later for not being prepared for wide-spread testing now.Either with a significant second wave after restrictions are lifted - or very prolonged restriction because we don't know what the hell happened. Maybe both we are going to pay the price later for not being prepared for wide-spread testing now.
I could not agree more.
|
|
Rukh O'Rorke
Senior Associate
Joined: Jul 4, 2016 13:31:15 GMT -5
Posts: 10,030
|
Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 22, 2020 16:05:05 GMT -5
Trump thought the US was too good for the WHO tests and this has greatly delayed the necessary testing program in the US and will directly result in casualties we didn't need to have. There's no way to release people from this lockdown unless they can determine who is sick or a carrier. They don't seem to mention this often, but Fauci has clearly stated as soon as people are allowed out and about again the numbers will spike unless there is a vaccine or effective treatment. So, until that time people have to stay away from others. "“I think this idea … that if you close schools and shut restaurants for a couple of weeks, you solve the problem and get back to normal life — that’s not what’s going to happen,” says Adam Kucharski, an epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine and author of The Rules of Contagion, a book on how outbreaks spread. “The main message that isn’t getting across to a lot of people is just how long we might be in this for.” As Kucharski, a top expert on this situation, sees it, “this virus is going to be circulating, potentially for a year or two, so we need to be thinking on those time scales. There are no good options here. Every scenario you can think of playing out has some really hefty downsides. ... At the moment, it seems the only way to sustainably reduce transmission are really severe unsustainable measures.”" www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/17/21181694/coronavirus-covid-19-lockdowns-end-how-long-months-yearsone thing I'm not clear on is the risk for re-infection. There was a number out there of a 14% reinfection rate. I'm not sure if the severity is less for reinfection? Do we not build immunity? or how is immunity affected? I haven't seen much on this angle. I was reading up on the 1918-1920 deadly flu pandemic. one line of thought is the second wave was more deadly than the first because of a mutation in the flu along the way. So - does reinfection mean this one is already mutating?
|
|
jerseygirl
Senior Member
Joined: May 13, 2018 7:43:08 GMT -5
Posts: 4,766
|
Post by jerseygirl on Mar 22, 2020 16:06:15 GMT -5
Trump thought the US was too good for the WHO tests and this has greatly delayed the necessary testing program in the US and will directly result in casualties we didn't need to have. Gah!! Come on people! Trump didn’t say ‘US too good for WHO test’’ Ridiculous comment, the US has regulations that require any medical test used in the US be accurate or give correct information. WHO did not even contact US to provide test since the US has ability to produce tests which many countries don’t have. WHO sent out hundreds of thousands of tests to countries all over the world. WHO did publish the methods in early January but the US CDC had a test by that time already. Very sadly in producing the many kits to be sent out to public health clinics a problem was found. Test materials had to be revised. So mess up there, then academic and commercial labs were producing other versions. All versions of the tests, CDC academic and commercial are required to be determined to be accurate because an inaccurate test is worse than none. Yes, US has failed to produce enough tests but certainly it is really very simplistic to think Trump somehow caused this. Who or what caused this?? No procedures in the US were in place to coordinate this, Why?? On same scale as why US didn’t stop 9/11
|
|
Lizard Queen
Senior Associate
103/2024
Joined: Jan 17, 2011 22:19:13 GMT -5
Posts: 14,659
|
Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 22, 2020 16:14:07 GMT -5
Trump thought the US was too good for the WHO tests and this has greatly delayed the necessary testing program in the US and will directly result in casualties we didn't need to have. There's no way to release people from this lockdown unless they can determine who is sick or a carrier. They don't seem to mention this often, but Fauci has clearly stated as soon as people are allowed out and about again the numbers will spike unless there is a vaccine or effective treatment. So, until that time people have to stay away from others. "“I think this idea … that if you close schools and shut restaurants for a couple of weeks, you solve the problem and get back to normal life — that’s not what’s going to happen,” says Adam Kucharski, an epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine and author of The Rules of Contagion, a book on how outbreaks spread. “The main message that isn’t getting across to a lot of people is just how long we might be in this for.” As Kucharski, a top expert on this situation, sees it, “this virus is going to be circulating, potentially for a year or two, so we need to be thinking on those time scales. There are no good options here. Every scenario you can think of playing out has some really hefty downsides. ... At the moment, it seems the only way to sustainably reduce transmission are really severe unsustainable measures.”" www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/17/21181694/coronavirus-covid-19-lockdowns-end-how-long-months-yearsone thing I'm not clear on is the risk for re-infection. There was a number out there of a 14% reinfection rate. I'm not sure if the severity is less for reinfection? Do we not build immunity? or how is immunity affected? I haven't seen much on this angle. I was reading up on the 1918-1920 deadly flu pandemic. one line of thought is the second wave was more deadly than the first because of a mutation in the flu along the way. So - does reinfection mean this one is already mutating? I read on Vox that it already has mutated.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 25, 2024 1:30:58 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 17:58:14 GMT -5
|
|
MarleyKeezy78
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 22, 2011 13:20:34 GMT -5
Posts: 3,226
Location: Sittin in the mitten
|
Post by MarleyKeezy78 on Mar 22, 2020 19:55:48 GMT -5
I am Human Resources for a small home health care franchise, this past week has been hell. I not only work in the office,(but have been working mostly from h9me this week) I caregive for the company too. On the front lines taking care of people and having to wade through all the shit and send out reassuring and informative info to over 100 caregivers and all of our clients has been very stressful. Webinars, Meetings, PowerPoints, (in gloves and masks of course) I feel done!!! We had to go to the office yesterday and I typed up a letter, had to make sure we had a certificate for our caregivers to be out to do their job in case of Martial Law and a signs and symptoms for Covid 19. We ended up with rum and vodka in our coffees at the conference table because Jesus Christ 😫 So that was how my day off was. I want to drink myself to sleep 😂 Except I have to get up and work again tomorrow. I may not have time off for a couple weeks. My husband is a teacher and my 11 year old is out of school like my husband. I am about to go stir crazy 🤪
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 25, 2024 1:30:58 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 8:30:18 GMT -5
The local OES keeps posting how great it is we don't have the virus here. I keep posting a comment that if they don't test anyone, how the hell do they know? Their answer is always the same - "test kits are available for when/if we have anyone who meets the criteria for testing..." So, they aren't testing because no one has visited China or Italy. It's insane. I'm a practical person. I can see the need to limit testing. You expose yourself to all kinds of other germs and viruses in ERs, Urgent Care type places and waiting rooms. I came in from Bolivia last week- at the time I left there were only a handful of cases, but then I transited through 5 airports. So, I COULD have picked it up. There was certainly no social distancing at Immigration in Miami! So, I'm self-quarantining. I see no need to get tested even though I might be at risk. And- if you test positive- what then? They send you home if you have only mild symptoms. That's what they did with a couple in their late 20s in NYC that I know of (son of my financial advisor and son's GF). If you have severe symptoms they treat the symptoms. I agree, though, that not testing may keep the numbers artificially low and may mean that some people who don't take COVID-19 seriously may be out and about when they're carrying the virus. As for people in remote areas being safe- DS lives in Iowa. Their first cases were a large cluster of people who had gone on a Nile cruise. All it takes is a few. The first few cases in Bolivia were 3 travelers returning from Europe. Some of the subsequent cases were family members.
|
|
Gardening Grandma
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 13:39:46 GMT -5
Posts: 17,962
|
Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 23, 2020 9:29:06 GMT -5
Trump thought the US was too good for the WHO tests and this has greatly delayed the necessary testing program in the US and will directly result in casualties we didn't need to have. Gah!! Come on people! Trump didn’t say ‘US too good for WHO test’’ Ridiculous comment, the US has regulations that require any medical test used in the US be accurate or give correct information. WHO did not even contact US to provide test since the US has ability to produce tests which many countries don’t have. WHO sent out hundreds of thousands of tests to countries all over the world. WHO did publish the methods in early January but the US CDC had a test by that time already. Very sadly in producing the many kits to be sent out to public health clinics a problem was found. Test materials had to be revised. So mess up there, then academic and commercial labs were producing other versions. All versions of the tests, CDC academic and commercial are required to be determined to be accurate because an inaccurate test is worse than none. Yes, US has failed to produce enough tests but certainly it is really very simplistic to think Trump somehow caused this. Who or what caused this?? No procedures in the US were in place to coordinate this, Why?? On same scale as why US didn’t stop 9/11 For the 100th time, NO ONE has claimed that trump caused it. What he HAS done is ignore early warnings, deny the problem, dither away precious time that should have been used to prepare, and now whine about unfair news coverage. He has offered help to North Korea. What about Americans?
|
|
jerseygirl
Senior Member
Joined: May 13, 2018 7:43:08 GMT -5
Posts: 4,766
|
Post by jerseygirl on Mar 23, 2020 9:33:21 GMT -5
For the 100th time, NO ONE has claimed that trump caused it. What he HAS done is ignore early warnings, deny the problem, dither away precious time that should have been used to prepare, and now whine about unfair news coverage. He has offered help to North Korea. What about Americans? I was responding to a post that said ‘trump thought US was too good for WHO tests’ and my post discussed the fail in getting accurate tests out, When I said it’s simplistic to say Trump caused this the phrase was predicated on the discussion about tests- simplistic to say trump caused fail in testing Suggest you reread my response and Check your reading comprehension
|
|
|
Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 23, 2020 10:08:58 GMT -5
I was responding to a post that said ‘trump thought US was too good for WHO tests’ and my post discussed the fail in getting accurate tests out, When I said it’s simplistic to say Trump caused this the phrase was predicated on the discussion about tests- simplistic to say trump caused fail in testing Suggest you reread my response and Check your reading comprehension Tests were only part of the problem. The bigger problem is that he did not take the problem seriously when it first came up in December through the intelligence gathered, that there were signs that China was minimizing the problem. And with all signs of it becoming a pandemic, he STILL did not take it seriously until early March. He didn’t cause the pandemic, but he DID contribute to it.
|
|
pulmonarymd
Junior Associate
Joined: Feb 12, 2020 17:40:54 GMT -5
Posts: 7,366
|
Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 23, 2020 10:47:10 GMT -5
I was responding to a post that said ‘trump thought US was too good for WHO tests’ and my post discussed the fail in getting accurate tests out, When I said it’s simplistic to say Trump caused this the phrase was predicated on the discussion about tests- simplistic to say trump caused fail in testing Suggest you reread my response and Check your reading comprehension Tests were only part of the problem. The bigger problem is that he did not take the problem seriously when it first came up in December through the intelligence gathered, that there were signs that China was minimizing the problem. And with all signs of it becoming a pandemic, he STILL did not take it seriously until early March. He didn’t cause the pandemic, but he DID contribute to it. And again, he didn’t cause it, but he did nothing to help to soften the blow. Jerseygirl continues to beat the drum on regulations. These can be expedited and waivers can be granted in an emergency, and private labs could have been certified sooner. PPE equipment could have been stockpiled, calls could have goon out to businesses for aide in making needed equipment sooner, and we could have had everyone talking from the same playbook. Instead, Trump can’t help himself. Yesterday news conference at least started better, but then he continues to play up an unproven therapy that has months of testing to know if it works, and a potty party about how he is unfairly attacked. Is it any wonder the market tanks every time he speaks
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 25, 2024 1:30:58 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 10:49:55 GMT -5
We have private citizens making ineffective masks for our healthcare workers. Think about that for a moment.
Every day they ask the president why he isn't mandating industry to produce them and he keeps saying he wants them to volunteer instead.
It's criminal.
|
|
|
Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 23, 2020 10:54:44 GMT -5
We have private citizens making ineffective masks for our healthcare workers. Think about that for a moment.Every day they ask the president why he isn't mandating industry to produce them and he keeps saying he wants them to volunteer instead. It's criminal. Who said they were ineffective? Once upon a time, masks were made from cloth. It is going backwards, but can still work.
|
|
GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl
Senior Associate
"How you win matters." Ender, Ender's Game
Joined: Jan 2, 2011 13:33:09 GMT -5
Posts: 11,291
|
Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Mar 23, 2020 10:55:19 GMT -5
I was responding to a post that said ‘trump thought US was too good for WHO tests’ and my post discussed the fail in getting accurate tests out, When I said it’s simplistic to say Trump caused this the phrase was predicated on the discussion about tests- simplistic to say trump caused fail in testing Suggest you reread my response and Check your reading comprehension Tests were only part of the problem. The bigger problem is that he did not take the problem seriously when it first came up in December through the intelligence gathered, that there were signs that China was minimizing the problem. And with all signs of it becoming a pandemic, he STILL did not take it seriously until early March. He didn’t cause the pandemic, but he DID contribute to it. And, as a backdrop, he decimated the CDC and the NIH budgets in favor of corporate tax breaks and loopholes. It’s hard to ask Federal agencies to be proactive when their budgets and staff have been cut to the bone.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Apr 25, 2024 1:30:58 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 10:58:48 GMT -5
We have private citizens making ineffective masks for our healthcare workers. Think about that for a moment.Every day they ask the president why he isn't mandating industry to produce them and he keeps saying he wants them to volunteer instead. It's criminal. Who said they were ineffective? Once upon a time, masks were made from cloth. It is going backwards, but can still work. The ones they're making here have a little pocket in them that you put a filter in...not sure on the availability of the filters. At least you can throw the cloth ones in the wash.
|
|
|
Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 23, 2020 11:33:21 GMT -5
And for more interesting news, this is a preprint of a journal article submitted for publication. I had wondered why they were taking so long to come up with a test, as it used to take me less than a couple weeks to put one of these together. This one is nothing special, the hardest part would be finding the positive controls, IMO (I used to screen the blood bank for expired platelets to get positive controls for my testing.....time consuming, but it worked). This assay is horribly simple, nothing special at all. As it is from Mt. Sinai, I wonder how long it is going to take for the FDA to approve it? The cynical part of me hopes that Mt. Sinai held out for lots of $$ for their research program from biological companies who will be putting kits together. Also IMO, knowing who has a positive antibody responses is even more important than looking for th3 virus itself. www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.17.20037713v1
|
|
Gardening Grandma
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 13:39:46 GMT -5
Posts: 17,962
|
Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 23, 2020 12:10:27 GMT -5
We have private citizens making ineffective masks for our healthcare workers. Think about that for a moment.Every day they ask the president why he isn't mandating industry to produce them and he keeps saying he wants them to volunteer instead. It's criminal. Who said they were ineffective? Once upon a time, masks were made from cloth. It is going backwards, but can still work. I've read that they are about 50% effective. Which is 100% more than nothing. I have a pattern and made my first one this morning. Two local hospitals have asked volunteers to make them. They are asking the nurses to reuse the N95s
|
|
swamp
Community Leader
Don't be a fool. Call me!
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 16:03:22 GMT -5
Posts: 45,309
|
Post by swamp on Mar 23, 2020 12:11:33 GMT -5
We have private citizens making ineffective masks for our healthcare workers. Think about that for a moment. Every day they ask the president why he isn't mandating industry to produce them and he keeps saying he wants them to volunteer instead. It's criminal. Our local hospital is out of masks. They have put out a call on FB to have people start making them, and the fabric store is willing to donate the material. FFS, this is America. A hospital should have masks.
|
|
Gardening Grandma
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 13:39:46 GMT -5
Posts: 17,962
|
Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 23, 2020 12:12:45 GMT -5
I was responding to a post that said ‘trump thought US was too good for WHO tests’ and my post discussed the fail in getting accurate tests out, When I said it’s simplistic to say Trump caused this the phrase was predicated on the discussion about tests- simplistic to say trump caused fail in testing Suggest you reread my response and Check your reading comprehension There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. I'm not the one making excuses for incompetence that is (or soon will be) costing lives.
|
|
Gardening Grandma
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 13:39:46 GMT -5
Posts: 17,962
|
Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 23, 2020 12:14:11 GMT -5
We have private citizens making ineffective masks for our healthcare workers. Think about that for a moment. Every day they ask the president why he isn't mandating industry to produce them and he keeps saying he wants them to volunteer instead. It's criminal. Our local hospital is out of masks. They have put out a call on FB to have people start making them, and the fabric store is willing to donate the material. FFS, this is America. A hospital should have masks. If we had actual leadership instead of a cult, hospitals WOULD have masks.
|
|
|
Post by empress of self-improvement on Mar 24, 2020 7:26:12 GMT -5
I was just notified this morning by my uncle's caregiver in New Orleans that he is currently in the hospital unconscious since dialysis yesterday and is being tested. His DNR orders have been put in place. Wonderful.
|
|
wvugurl26
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 15:25:30 GMT -5
Posts: 21,698
|
Post by wvugurl26 on Mar 24, 2020 7:39:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure how effective the cloth masks are. Some people were putting vaccum bag filters in them. I saw a doctor suggest they might actually be worse than nothing. His reasoning was the fabric mask was going to allow a warm moist breeding ground for bacteria right by your mouth. He did think for those reusing masks putting a fabric cover over it could be useful in helping extend the life of it.
We shouldn't be debating that anyways. Hospitals and medical providers should have the equipment they need. It's ridiculous.
|
|
daisylu
Junior Associate
Enter your message here...
Joined: Dec 27, 2010 6:04:42 GMT -5
Posts: 6,798
|
Post by daisylu on Mar 24, 2020 8:17:56 GMT -5
Factories around here have started issuing out letters for employees to carry in their vehicles stating that they work in an "essential" industry, in case they get pulled over by police in a state in shutdown mode. (Very close 4-state region.)They urge you to be polite to the officers, and most employers are going to pay any fines.
Some are also offering bonuses for not calling out. My employer raised hourly wages $2/hr until May 1st (for now).
|
|
taz157
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 20:50:06 GMT -5
Posts: 12,828
|
Post by taz157 on Mar 24, 2020 8:21:07 GMT -5
I was just notified this morning by my uncle's caregiver in New Orleans that he is currently in the hospital unconscious since dialysis yesterday and is being tested. His DNR orders have been put in place. Wonderful. I’m sorry. ((((Hugs))))
|
|
finnime
Junior Associate
Be kind. Everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.
Joined: Dec 23, 2010 7:14:35 GMT -5
Posts: 7,413
|
Post by finnime on Mar 24, 2020 8:34:42 GMT -5
|
|
TheOtherMe
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 14:40:52 GMT -5
Posts: 27,157
Mini-Profile Name Color: e619e6
|
Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 24, 2020 8:43:53 GMT -5
I was just notified this morning by my uncle's caregiver in New Orleans that he is currently in the hospital unconscious since dialysis yesterday and is being tested. His DNR orders have been put in place. Wonderful.
|
|
sesfw
Junior Associate
Today is the first day of the rest of my life
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 15:45:17 GMT -5
Posts: 6,268
|
Post by sesfw on Mar 24, 2020 10:42:15 GMT -5
Empress ......... i'm so sorry
|
|
thyme4change
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 26, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Posts: 40,389
|
Post by thyme4change on Mar 24, 2020 11:01:14 GMT -5
My husband's co-worker's husband, who was a good friend of ours long before his wife started working with DH has been admitted into the hospital with pneumonia. He spent a lot of time with her last week. Not a happy day in the house of thyme today.
|
|
TheOtherMe
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 14:40:52 GMT -5
Posts: 27,157
Mini-Profile Name Color: e619e6
|
Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 24, 2020 11:03:31 GMT -5
|
|