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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 10:30:28 GMT -5
My 91-yo mother, who is scheduled for surgery next week, coughed at the doctor's office while there for pre-op lab work. The doctor sent her across the county to be tested. The testing location declined to test her, because the doctor's office did not indicate whether she had a fever, which is required for testing. There are a LOT of reports from people in my son's area and mine where they have been told if they didn't travel to China or Italy they can't be tested. The local OES keeps posting how great it is we don't have the virus here. I keep posting a comment that if they don't test anyone, how the hell do they know? Their answer is always the same - "test kits are available for when/if we have anyone who meets the criteria for testing..." So, they aren't testing because no one has visited China or Italy. It's insane. People here are still gathering and think this area is immune from the problem. I wish that were the case. I really do... But, if no one social distances and keeps living their life like usual, then it very well will be here and spread. It's not like we don't have a major highway that runs through town...
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 20, 2020 11:39:09 GMT -5
My 91-yo mother, who is scheduled for surgery next week, coughed at the doctor's office while there for pre-op lab work. The doctor sent her across the county to be tested. The testing location declined to test her, because the doctor's office did not indicate whether she had a fever, which is required for testing. There are a LOT of reports from people in my son's area and mine where they have been told if they didn't travel to China or Italy they can't be tested. The local OES keeps posting how great it is we don't have the virus here. I keep posting a comment that if they don't test anyone, how the hell do they know? Their answer is always the same - "test kits are available for when/if we have anyone who meets the criteria for testing..." So, they aren't testing because no one has visited China or Italy. It's insane. People here are still gathering and think this area is immune from the problem. I wish that were the case. I really do... But, if no one social distances and keeps living their life like usual, then it very well will be here and spread. It's not like we don't have a major highway that runs through town...I'm guessing that is why the governor of PA shut down all non life-sustaining businesses. It's frustrating but people aren't taking this seriously.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 20, 2020 13:13:54 GMT -5
My 91-yo mother, who is scheduled for surgery next week, coughed at the doctor's office while there for pre-op lab work. The doctor sent her across the county to be tested. The testing location declined to test her, because the doctor's office did not indicate whether she had a fever, which is required for testing. There are a LOT of reports from people in my son's area and mine where they have been told if they didn't travel to China or Italy they can't be tested. The local OES keeps posting how great it is we don't have the virus here. I keep posting a comment that if they don't test anyone, how the hell do they know? Their answer is always the same - "test kits are available for when/if we have anyone who meets the criteria for testing..." So, they aren't testing because no one has visited China or Italy. It's insane. People here are still gathering and think this area is immune from the problem. I wish that were the case. I really do... But, if no one social distances and keeps living their life like usual, then it very well will be here and spread. It's not like we don't have a major highway that runs through town... my coworker had know contact with someone who test positive, she got a fever, and was refused testing - because not a health care worker. So - what is the criteria for testing? I have some mild symptoms. Drive by testing in the area says you need to have an appointment - I haven't been to a dr. in a couple of years, so - I go without testing. I'm pretty sure she got, I likely have it, but it would be nice to know for sure. then think about all the stats on cases they are tossing around - and so many can't get tested.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Mar 20, 2020 14:23:21 GMT -5
I have seen several people on FB posting that the number of cases reported will exploded simply because more people are being tested, not because the actual number of cases are exploding, but because they are being identified. I want to know where people are allegedly being tested so easily.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 14:32:01 GMT -5
There are a LOT of reports from people in my son's area and mine where they have been told if they didn't travel to China or Italy they can't be tested. The local OES keeps posting how great it is we don't have the virus here. I keep posting a comment that if they don't test anyone, how the hell do they know? Their answer is always the same - "test kits are available for when/if we have anyone who meets the criteria for testing..." So, they aren't testing because no one has visited China or Italy. It's insane. People here are still gathering and think this area is immune from the problem. I wish that were the case. I really do... But, if no one social distances and keeps living their life like usual, then it very well will be here and spread. It's not like we don't have a major highway that runs through town... my coworker had know contact with someone who test positive, she got a fever, and was refused testing - because not a health care worker. So - what is the criteria for testing? I have some mild symptoms. Drive by testing in the area says you need to have an appointment - I haven't been to a dr. in a couple of years, so - I go without testing. I'm pretty sure she got, I likely have it, but it would be nice to know for sure. then think about all the stats on cases they are tossing around - and so many can't get tested. I'm watching a live feed from our governors office with the dept of health and they just said if you would not have gone into the doctor before, don't now even if you suspect covid. A diagnosis won't help since they won't give you any meds and you will just expose other people. Self quarantine and treat with over the counter meds.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 17:25:11 GMT -5
Four cases I know of, all reported from people I trust who know the actual person. Interesting variations. One was the scary, "It came on fast and furious, hit me like a ton of bricks, couldn't breathe, thought I was gonna die". Another: "No worse than a bad attack of hay fever". Just spoke with my financial advisor who said his son and son's GF, last 20s, both living in NYC, have it. They're getting help via telemedicine and told to stay home unless symptoms are severe.
I can see a lot of good reasons for staying out of hospitals and doctors' offices. Even if you have it, there are other infections you can pick up no matter how careful they are with sanitation. If I get it, and I have no sign that I have it (heck, I'm breathing easier after returning from a week at 12,000 feet above sea level) I don't plan to seek medical attention unless I can't breathe and then I'll call 911.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 20, 2020 17:41:32 GMT -5
my coworker had know contact with someone who test positive, she got a fever, and was refused testing - because not a health care worker. So - what is the criteria for testing? I have some mild symptoms. Drive by testing in the area says you need to have an appointment - I haven't been to a dr. in a couple of years, so - I go without testing. I'm pretty sure she got, I likely have it, but it would be nice to know for sure. then think about all the stats on cases they are tossing around - and so many can't get tested. I'm watching a live feed from our governors office with the dept of health and they just said if you would not have gone into the doctor before, don't now even if you suspect covid. A diagnosis won't help since they won't give you any meds and you will just expose other people. Self quarantine and treat with over the counter meds. I disagree. but what if someone has the flu or cold or allergies? and then think they got it but didn't and then vulnerable and think not? then they do get it and spread it around. I think Dx is important. Sure - more important for those in health care, etc. And I'm fine to prioritize. But - it's going to cause additional trouble down the line I think.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 20, 2020 20:24:46 GMT -5
Just got a email saying a coworker on my floor has been diagnosed with COVID19. They were last in the office March 11th and was ill enough to get tested on 3/14.
Jeepers. They must have been pretty sick to have gotten tested.
FWIW: It looks like you have to be sick enough so the doctor thinks you MIGHT need to be admitted to a hospital to get tested.
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Post by ners on Mar 20, 2020 20:43:29 GMT -5
My DF had a surgery on Feb 24. He had a followup appointment with the surgeon today. I would have loved to have gone with with him as a second set of ears. I could not. The surgeon's office is in the hospital. They were only allowing the patients in.
You could only enter the hospital thru the entrance near emergency. Employees were entering thru a bridge from the parking garage. I watched the employee send another employee back up the steps to the bridge. i suspect they were checking temperatures before they were letting staff enter the building.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 21, 2020 7:57:26 GMT -5
Received an email yesterday from doctor's office. They are checking temperatures of all employees and patients before they enter the building.
Doctor's office is in a clinic. Clinic hours are reduced because they are only seeing patients if absolutely necessary.
Non emergency surgery is no longer happening.
I have a friend who took the CO-VID 19 test yesterday and is awaiting results.
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Post by taz157 on Mar 21, 2020 8:57:40 GMT -5
I went to my doctor’s office on Tuesday and they took my and DH’s temperature before we could go in. The only reason DH was allowed was because I was confirming I was going to miscarry (I was and suspect I have already). Otherwise, he would not have been allowed in.
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Post by finnime on Mar 21, 2020 10:37:33 GMT -5
NY is testing so many because as of a week ago they have permission to make their own tests and use them. Still, they only test if symptoms are more than mild.
LA county is now not testing even hospitalized patients with suspected COVID 19 unless the results could change the clinical treatment. Definitely California will undercount cases with this policy.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 21, 2020 13:37:05 GMT -5
Received an email yesterday from doctor's office. They are checking temperatures of all employees and patients before they enter the building. Doctor's office is in a clinic. Clinic hours are reduced because they are only seeing patients if absolutely necessary. Non emergency surgery is no longer happening. I have a friend who took the CO-VID 19 test yesterday and is awaiting results. A few days ago, I went to the office building my doctor works out of to pick up my prescriptions to send off to my new mail order pharmacy. I got stopped, questioned, temp taken and allowed to proceed. The waiting room was empty. I wonder if they had people waiting in their cars and calling them individually to come in like the vet is doing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 13:49:30 GMT -5
I went to my doctor’s office on Tuesday and they took my and DH’s temperature before we could go in. The only reason DH was allowed was because I was confirming I was going to miscarry (I was and suspect I have already). Otherwise, he would not have been allowed in. Though I am not sure what the proper comment is, I wanted to say I'm sorry you have to go through that.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 21, 2020 14:27:51 GMT -5
I went to my doctor’s office on Tuesday and they took my and DH’s temperature before we could go in. The only reason DH was allowed was because I was confirming I was going to miscarry (I was and suspect I have already). Otherwise, he would not have been allowed in. so sorry taz
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Mar 21, 2020 14:54:00 GMT -5
I went to my doctor’s office on Tuesday and they took my and DH’s temperature before we could go in. The only reason DH was allowed was because I was confirming I was going to miscarry (I was and suspect I have already). Otherwise, he would not have been allowed in. I am so sorry, Taz.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Mar 21, 2020 15:31:16 GMT -5
I went to my doctor’s office on Tuesday and they took my and DH’s temperature before we could go in. The only reason DH was allowed was because I was confirming I was going to miscarry (I was and suspect I have already). Otherwise, he would not have been allowed in. I am so sorry, taz157
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Post by jerseygirl on Mar 21, 2020 17:27:00 GMT -5
I went to my doctor’s office on Tuesday and they took my and DH’s temperature before we could go in. The only reason DH was allowed was because I was confirming I was going to miscarry (I was and suspect I have already). Otherwise, he would not have been allowed in. Sad time for you and DH
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 22, 2020 14:19:40 GMT -5
My friend’s mother has been released back to her NH. The roomate that she caught CV19 from died however. Both in their 80’s. One recovered; the other didn’t.
Taz, I am very sorry
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 22, 2020 14:41:20 GMT -5
I'm watching a live feed from our governors office with the dept of health and they just said if you would not have gone into the doctor before, don't now even if you suspect covid. A diagnosis won't help since they won't give you any meds and you will just expose other people. Self quarantine and treat with over the counter meds. I disagree. but what if someone has the flu or cold or allergies? and then think they got it but didn't and then vulnerable and think not? then they do get it and spread it around. I think Dx is important. Sure - more important for those in health care, etc. And I'm fine to prioritize. But - it's going to cause additional trouble down the line I think. time.com/5804899/u-s-coronavirus-needs-follow-s-korea/This link talks about the important role of wide-spread testing to help contain the outbreak.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 22, 2020 14:45:34 GMT -5
My friend’s mother has been released back to her NH. The roomate that she caught CV19 from died however. Both in their 80’s. One recovered; the other didn’t. Taz, I am very sorry oh no! Sorry to hear about this.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 22, 2020 14:49:03 GMT -5
I disagree. but what if someone has the flu or cold or allergies? and then think they got it but didn't and then vulnerable and think not? then they do get it and spread it around. I think Dx is important. Sure - more important for those in health care, etc. And I'm fine to prioritize. But - it's going to cause additional trouble down the line I think. time.com/5804899/u-s-coronavirus-needs-follow-s-korea/This link talks about the important role of wide-spread testing to help contain the outbreak. Well, there aren’t enough kits, so it’s academic. We have 6 confirmed cases in my county (one was a woman in her 20’s who was around a LOT of people). But there are very narrow parameters to be tested even here. The US is now second only to Italy in total cases. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 22, 2020 14:53:31 GMT -5
Well, there aren’t enough kits, so it’s academic. We have 6 confirmed cases in my county (one was a woman in her 20’s who was around a LOT of people). But there are very narrow parameters to be tested even here. what do you mean by 'academic'? we are going to pay the price later for not being prepared for wide-spread testing now. Either with a significant second wave after restrictions are lifted - or very prolonged restriction because we don't know what the hell happened. Maybe both
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 22, 2020 14:59:00 GMT -5
Yes, we will pay the price, but there are not enough tests to do all the testing that should be done.
While there are two confirmed cases in my small, rural county, they must have had serious symptoms to get tested.
Of course, our governor has decided we don't need to know how many people have been tested. We only need to know the number of positive tests.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 22, 2020 15:23:21 GMT -5
I'm really not sure why people keep telling me we don't have enough test - as if that is new information.
I know that is the case and have stated that repeatedly while also endorsing the need to prioritize who gets tested.
From the previous link that I think no one bothered to read:
If anyone responds to this post with "we don't have enough test" - well - let's not go there again. No need to talk in a circle.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 22, 2020 15:25:40 GMT -5
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Post by jerseygirl on Mar 22, 2020 15:33:46 GMT -5
Yes, we will pay the price, but there are not enough tests to do all the testing that should be done. While there are two confirmed cases in my small, rural county, they must have had serious symptoms to get tested. Of course, our governor has decided we don't need to know how many people have been tested. We only need to know the number of positive tests. South Korea had lots of testing but also very aggressive epidemiology to find contacts of those who were positive. After the SARS epidemic SK put into place ability to legally use cell phone, credit card data, etc to track where positive people had been then find others also there. US privacy laws wouldn’t allow that. Sure the laws could be changed but we haven’t done that, Experience with SARS in Asia let them think about how to manage the next viral epidemic. US had only a few SARS and had H1N1 that killed in thousands?? But didn’t really react to this as an epidemic. SARS and H1N1 weren’t as contagious and US didn’t really respond as a country. SK only tested for free those who had symptoms and doctors agreement to test. Others had to pay about $125 Testing alone won’t do much to stop epidemic unless everyone who is positive has mandatory tracked quarantine. Poland has an app where anyone at home quarantine has to check in at home with GPS FDA just approved a 45 minute test that should be more helpful Also remember that if you’re tested and negative a person might be positive two days or five days later. Just testing isn’t enough
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 15:39:30 GMT -5
Trump thought the US was too good for the WHO tests and this has greatly delayed the necessary testing program in the US and will directly result in casualties we didn't need to have. There's no way to release people from this lockdown unless they can determine who is sick or a carrier. They don't seem to mention this often, but Fauci has clearly stated as soon as people are allowed out and about again the numbers will spike unless there is a vaccine or effective treatment. So, until that time people have to stay away from others. "“I think this idea … that if you close schools and shut restaurants for a couple of weeks, you solve the problem and get back to normal life — that’s not what’s going to happen,” says Adam Kucharski, an epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine and author of The Rules of Contagion, a book on how outbreaks spread. “The main message that isn’t getting across to a lot of people is just how long we might be in this for.” As Kucharski, a top expert on this situation, sees it, “this virus is going to be circulating, potentially for a year or two, so we need to be thinking on those time scales. There are no good options here. Every scenario you can think of playing out has some really hefty downsides. ... At the moment, it seems the only way to sustainably reduce transmission are really severe unsustainable measures.”" www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/17/21181694/coronavirus-covid-19-lockdowns-end-how-long-months-years
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 22, 2020 15:57:34 GMT -5
It's so disgusting that the US, who is supposed to be the leaders of the free world, is so behind the ball on this. MAGA my ass! Asking for private donations of medical equipment should be to send to 3rd world countries. It should never have been necessary for our own hospitals and medical personnel here. That's what you get when you put a moron bully in charge.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 22, 2020 16:00:10 GMT -5
I'm really not sure why people keep telling me we don't have enough test - as if that is new information. I know that is the case and have stated that repeatedly while also endorsing the need to prioritize who gets tested. From the previous link that I think no one bothered to read: If anyone responds to this post with "we don't have enough test" - well - let's not go there again. No need to talk in a circle. Well, if rainbows and unicorns were real we'd talk about them. You keep saying "need to test". Well, that's obvious. Just as obvious is too many people simply can't.
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